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[Dillo-dev]dillo as a debian package ..?
by Jorge Arellano Cid June 1, 2004

June 1, 2004

Hi! It's been a long time since the debian package for Dillo is not updated. Since 0.7.3 to be accurate. :-( I've contacted Phil and, surprisingly, the only reason for them not being made is lack of time. Is here a Debian developer that can take the burden, or help Phil, or at least provide us with an x86 .deb to link to from the download page? It seems important because Debian lingering on 0.7.3 implicitly passes the (wrong) message of the latter versions of dillo not being worth an upgrade. TIA Jorge.- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jesper Olsen <__lazer __at phreaker__ net__> To: jcid(a)dillo.org Subject: dillo as a debian package ..? hello there .. Is there somewhere around where i can get dillo-0.8.1 as a .deb file?? i can't find it, i've almost looked everywhere :s MaNN, thank you for a wonderful browser .. it runs top stable and fast on my 166mhz .. well, it is a shame that i can't get the new versions of the browser ! DILLO ROCKS!!!!! - lazer

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Re: [Dillo-dev]Some remarks on the UI
by Nicola Girardi June 1, 2004

June 1, 2004

This is what I replied privately to Sebastian: > BTW, it is not very obvious, that there is a menu behind these two > buttons. Perhaps there should be, in the icon, a small arrow > directed downdwards, or so. In fact I didn't ever discovered there was such (useful) menu. :-( > (ii) It provides a function for attaching a menu in a better way, > than we have currently, for the "Back" and "Forward" menus, > and for the bug meter. Another menu I didn't catch, the bug meter menu. :-) > Comments welcome. Very nice. :-)

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Re: [Dillo-dev]page increment (was: very simple question, and many kudos!)
by Sebastian Geerken May 31, 2004

May 31, 2004

On Mon, May 31, Brian Hechinger wrote: > On Mon, May 31, 2004 at 03:09:03PM +0200, Sebastian Geerken wrote: > > > > Scrolling half a page is actually standard behaviour of Gtk, look > > e.g. at gtk_layout_size_allocate() (in gtklayout.c), which is more or > > less responsible for this in our case, since our code uses > > GdkAdjustment::page_increment, which is set there. > > hmmmmmm. can't say i care for that behavior. maybe i should whine to the GTK > folks and see if i can either get that changed, or at least get it setup so > there is some way to override it at run/compile time? They won't probably change it, especially since dillo depends on Gtk 1.2, which development has been closed, AFAIK. > > The attached patch "solves" it, but I'm not sure, wether the standard > > behaviour should be overridden. > > how hard would it be to make it a runtime option? something in dillorc? that > way you can have standard behavior and also the option to change its behavior > to satisfy people like me? Actually, it envolves reading Havoc Pennington's essay "Free software and good user interfaces" (http://ometer.com/free-software-ui.html) especially the section "The Question of Preferences", and considering, whether or not this configuration option should be added. Actually, I'd rather like it either having applied or not (not configurable), the others should apply the patch. (Adding the code is BTW rather simple, just look at how other options are handled in "prefs.c".) > how about this. let me know when the CVS tree stablizes and i'll write that > for you. It will probably still take some time, it is a bit more difficult than I thought. Sebastian

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[Dillo-dev]helper applications and their uses
by Randy May 25, 2004

May 25, 2004

Hello, First of all,let me say that i don't know a command-line from a chorus line-my feeble knowlege of Linux consists mainly of downloading Apt and Synaptic for my RH7.3 and FC1 distros,and handling it all from the GUI. Just letting you know that your'e dealing with a novice here. : ) I like the concept behind Dillo,simple and fast.I understand that you might be working on a version for frames later on,which would be even better of course.My question though-without reliance on the usual Mozilla plug-ins(which Galeon,Epiphany and Firefox also use) is there anything I can download as a helper application? Would the full Java,for example,interact at all with Dillo when browsing the Web? Would Realplayer,or Gxine with Real plug-ins(i'm on Gnome,of course). Thanks in Advance, Randy

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[Dillo-dev]Dillo RPM available for Yellow Dog Linux 3.0
by Kelson Vibber May 24, 2004

May 24, 2004

In case anyone's interested, I posted an RPM for Yellow Dog Linux 3.0 over the weekend. The usual place: http://www.hyperborea.org/software/dillo/ -- Kelson Vibber www.hyperborea.org

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[Dillo-dev]0.8.1 text centering error? (fwd)
by Jorge Arellano Cid May 23, 2004

May 23, 2004

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 18 May 2004 04:15:11 PDT From: Gregg <dude(a)scorpiorising.ca> To: Dillo <dillo-dev(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de> Subject: [Dillo-dev]0.8.1 text centering error? Hello, I have compiled and run Dillo 0.8.1 flawlessly on Debian woody. However, I notice the browser "centering text" that wasn't on 0.8.0 and earlier. Example: http://www.cknw.com - my daily news, now shows the headlines as centred. Is this supposed to be? Thanks, -- Gregg _______________________________________________ Dillo-dev mailing list Dillo-dev(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev

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[Dillo-dev]Re: White spaces handling (was: Weird glitch with rendering)
by Jorge Arellano Cid May 23, 2004

May 23, 2004

Hi Sebastian, > Just FYI: I remember from the old discussion, that DwPage originally > collapsed spaces (i.e. calls to a_Dw_page_add_space), and that I > suggested some changes, so that this is not done anymore. Your patch > would reverse this change again. > > The discussion goes attached. I read the whole thread you sent me. BTW, the whole whitespace issue re-started when I found one of the patches you mentioned. I then read the past emails, and started to try to follow. It is not easy to make a clean picture of it though! --This mainly because of the way it used to be handled inside Dillo and because the SPECS seem not definitive in this matter. Here I'll try to cite past emails and comment my current thoughts: > [...] > This is because a_Dw_page_add_space is called twice, and this function > does actually not add a space, but change the current one. I've worked > on two solutions: > > 1. The first patch (underlined-spaces-clean.diff) changes the > behavior of a_Dw_page_add_space, but needs some changes in the > HTML parser, to control better when this function is called, > i.e. to ignore spaces after <A> and before </A>. This one seems the best candidate. With regard to fixing the parser for ignoring these spaces, see my comments below. > 2. The second one (underlined-spaces-kludgy.diff) tries to adjust > spaces, depending on rather hairy conditions. It works already > (if I'm not wrong, it has quite the same results as the code > before, except the bug). This option is no longer valid. As you clearly described: <q> > > > 2. The second one (underlined-spaces-kludgy.diff) tries to adjust > > > spaces, depending on rather hairy conditions. It works already > > > (if I'm not wrong, it has quite the same results as the code > > > before, except the bug). > > As I've now noticed, this will not work for CSS, e.g. the following > code: > > One non-underlined word > > will be displayed: > > One non-underlined word > ---- ----- > > just because this patch lets DwPage assume something about the > document structure (change from non-underline to underline == > beginning of a tag) which it can (and should) not. > </q> Now, > > Despite of the file names, I'm not sure if the changes in the HTML > parser can be done cleanly. So, if you think that this is difficult to > realize, apply the second patch. Especially, there is probably also an > other DwPage function necessary to remove again the last space, when > </A> is read after a space. I believe the parser is not very hard to modify for ignoring the spaces as patch 1.- requires. The problem is that the SPEC is not clear about exactly how these spaces should be collapsed. For instance: > A different case is "Some text". Your patch will make > "Some text" of it, but it should be really be > "Some text." Yes, I agree, "collapsing" here should be: 'Some text' => 'Some text' as you note. but what do we do with this: 'Some text' If we ignore white space after the start tag and before the end tag, it becomes 'Sometext' (with no space at all!) If we "collapse" as the SPEC says should be done, we have two possibilities: 'Some text' (as it was: underline the whitespace) and 'Some text' (move the space out of the tag) AFAICT, the SPEC leaves the choice open, and advices HTML authors against whitespace inside the tags. IMO, always collapsing white space after the start tag and before the end tag is the simplest to implement. Even more, as the SPEC doesn't define what to do in this case, it's an option left to the User Agent: <q source='HTML4.01 SPEC, 9.1'> In order to avoid problems with SGML line break rules and inconsistencies among extant implementations, authors should not rely on user agents to render white space immediately after a start tag or immediately before an end tag. Thus, authors, and in particular authoring tools, should write: We offer free <A>technical support</A> for subscribers. and not: We offer free<A> technical support </A>for subscribers. </q> Now, this solution would also account for the special SGML line break rules: <q source='HTML-4.01 SPEC B.3.1'> SGML (see [ISO8879], section 7.6.1) specifies that a line break immediately following a start tag must be ignored, as must a line break immediately before an end tag. This applies to all HTML elements without exception. The following two HTML examples must be rendered identically: Thomas is watching TV. Thomas is watching TV. So must the following two examples: <A>My favorite Website</A> <A> My favorite Website </A> </q> Note that Firebird doesn't follow the SGML line break rules! This is not to say we should follow, but that we may find some buggy pages out there, but at least at this point the SPEC is quite clear. ;) > I'm not completely sure, we should carefully evaluate the specs, I'd > suggest to delay this for the 0.8.2 release. Neither I am sure! :-) At this point I see that applying patch 1, plus making the parser ignore whitespaces after a start tag and before an end tag is a correct solution that can endure a reality test. I'll start coding it. Please let me know your thoughts or any point I'm still missing. Best Jorge.- PS: This work is for 0.8.2.

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[Dillo-dev]BugTrack
by Jorge Arellano Cid May 22, 2004

May 22, 2004

Hi there! Dillo's bugtrack was just updated so email addresses are mangled with images to protect from SPAM robots. The "submitter" camp was also added, so we can contact the poster for details. Cheers Jorge.-

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[Dillo-dev]javascript links
by Jorge Arellano Cid May 21, 2004

May 21, 2004

Hi there, The CVS is just updated for 0.8.2-pre. The first patch is a tiny handler for javascript links. It's very simple, it will try to make a normal link from a javascript-based href. Please test it and tell me how it works. Cheers Jorge.-

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[Dillo-dev]White space handling
by Sebastian Geerken May 21, 2004

May 21, 2004

Hi! This mail is just to collect what I have found in the specs, and how I understand it. I'll comment Jorge's mails seperately. Sebastian. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- HTML ---- Unfortunately, I do not have the SGML spec at hand, so I only refer to the parts of the HTML spec, which refer to general SGML topics. There is something in chapter 6, although I did not find anything about how #PCDATA (which is used in the DTD for the texts, which are relevant in this context), only about #CDATA: > 6.2 SGML basic types > > The document type definition specifies the syntax of HTML element > content and attribute values using SGML tokens (e.g., PCDATA, CDATA, > NAME, ID, etc.). See [ISO8879] for their full definitions. The > following is a summary of key information: > > * CDATA is a sequence of characters from the document character set > and may include character entities. User agents should interpret > attribute values as follows: > > o Replace character entities with characters, > o Ignore line feeds, > o Replace each carriage return or tab with a single space. > > User agents may ignore leading and trailing white space in CDATA > attribute values (e.g., " myval " may be interpreted as > > "myval"). Authors should not declare attribute values with leading > or trailing white space. > > For some HTML 4 attributes with CDATA attribute values, the > specification imposes further constraints on the set of legal > values for the attribute that may not be expressed by the DTD. About HTML: > 9.1 White space > > [...] > For all HTML elements except PRE, sequences of white space separate > "words" (we use the term "word" here to mean "sequences of non-white > space characters"). When formatting text, user agents should > identify these words and lay them out according to the conventions > of the particular written language (script) and target medium. > [...] This is, what is currently the difference between calls to a_Dw_page_add_text() (which adds a word), and a_Dw_page_add_space(), which adds a "word separation". > B.3.1 Line breaks > SGML (see [ISO8879], section 7.6.1) specifies that a line break > immediately following a start tag must be ignored, as must a line > break immediately before an end tag. This applies to all HTML > elements without exception. > > The following two HTML examples must be rendered identically: > > Thomas is watching TV. > > > Thomas is watching TV. > > > So must the following two examples: > > <A>My favorite Website</A> > > <A> > My favorite Website > </A> Notice this: "This applies to all HTML elements without exception." That is, also for <pre>. But it does not say anything about white spaces in general. XHTML ----- First of all from the XML 1.1 spec: > 2.10 White Space Handling > > In editing XML documents, it is often convenient to use "white > space" (spaces, tabs, and blank lines) to set apart the markup for > greater readability. Such white space is typically not intended for > inclusion in the delivered version of the document. On the other > hand, "significant" white space that should be preserved in the > delivered version is common, for example in poetry and source code. > > An XML processor MUST always pass all characters in a document that > are not markup through to the application. A validating XML > processor MUST also inform the application which of these characters > constitute white space appearing in element content. First of all, we do not have a distinction between the (basic) XML processor, and the application. (In the CSS prototype, this is clearer, and because it is always a good decision to make the implementation structure resemble the structure of the specifications, this should be kept in mind.) How I understand this basicly: It is (in most cases, see below) the task of the application (in this case XHTML) to determine how to deal with whitespaces. Anyway, I did not find anything in the XHTML 1.0 specification, so I believe that the same rules apply, as for HTML 4.01. > A special attribute named xml:space MAY be attached to an element to > signal an intention that in that element, white space should be > preserved by applications. In valid documents, this attribute, like > any other, MUST be declared if it is used. When declared, it MUST be > given as an enumerated type whose values are one or both of > "default" and "preserve". For example: > > <!ATTLIST poem xml:space (default|preserve) 'preserve'> > <!ATTLIST pre xml:space (preserve) #FIXED 'preserve'> > > The value "default" signals that applications' default white-space > processing modes are acceptable for this element; the value > "preserve" indicates the intent that applications preserve all the > white space. This declared intent is considered to apply to all > elements within the content of the element where it is specified, > unless overridden with another instance of the xml:space > attribute. This specification does not give meaning to any value of > xml:space other than "default" and "preserve". It is an error for > other values to be specified; the XML processor MAY report the error > or MAY recover by ignoring the attribute specification or by > reporting the (erroneous) value to the application. Applications may > ignore or reject erroneous values. If you look at the DTDs of XHTML 1.1, you'll find three elements setting this: <style>, <script>, and <pre>. As to the patch: <style> and <script> are currently rather unimportant, while for <pre>, the HTML parser switches into the DILLO_HTML_PARSE_MODE_PRE mode, where white spaces are handled differently. > The root element of any document is considered to have signaled no > intentions as regards application space handling, unless it provides > a value for this attribute or the attribute is declared with a > default value.

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