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[lmettler@lamlaw.com: Re: A few remarks on your site layout...]
by Frank de Lange Aug. 26, 2003

Aug. 26, 2003

----- Forwarded message from Lewis Mettler <lmettler(a)lamlaw.com> ----- >Thanks for the corrected index.html page for my site. > >You are correct. Some of those tags did appear to be out of place. > >I first wrote that page 5-6 years ago using a program from Corel. It is >not surprising that it was put up incorrectly. Most likely I was trying >several different formats and then stopped screwing with it. I noticed >it still had the NT label embedded. I have not used NT for many years. > >In any event, I edited the version you provided to replace the NT >reference and updated a few of the tags. > >Thanks again. > >And, good fortune with the Dillo browser. > >Let me know if my site now formats correctly using Dillo. Well, it seems to... If only all sites responded as quickly... Cheers//Frank -- WWWWW ________________________ ## o o\ / Frank de Lange \ }# \| / +46-734352015 \ \ `--| _/ <Hacker for Hire> \ `---' \ +31-640037120 / \ frank(a)unternet.org / `------------------------' [ "Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est." ]

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libc dependency in 0.8.0pre (bug 487)
by David McKee Aug. 26, 2003

Aug. 26, 2003

Folks, Updated my CVS at home (Debian 3.0) to 0.8.0pre the other day, and I like what I see. When I tried to do the same at work today (Redhat 6.2), I had problems building. Dpid uses mkdtemp() which was introduced in glibc 2.1.9. However, ./configure has no problems with my glibc 2.1.3. Submitted as bug 487. This constitutes a change from the 0.7 days when (according to the Compatibility web page) any glibc2 would do. Introducing (by hand) a definition of mkdtemp() I found on the web solved all my problems. Browsing the source suggests that you are not in the habit of carrying around lot of little libc bits---and the associated preprocessor code munging---for systems with variant or insufficient libc's. That is fine. It keeps the code base small and simple, but perhaps ./configure should look out for these things. So does this mean some previously working libc's are now going to be excluded, that more conditional compilation stuff will need to go in, or that dpid needs some work to increase it's universal compatibility? -- -- David McKee -- dmckee(a)jlab.org -- (757) 269-7492 (Office)

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On-line demonstration against software patents in Europe
by Frank de Lange Aug. 26, 2003

Aug. 26, 2003

Hi'all, As you might know, the European Parliament will vote on software patents in the EU on the 1st of september 2003. I have added a notice to my patch page (http://www.geocities.com/ikbenfrank) about this. Maybe the main Dillo page can do the same? For more info on this issue, go to http://swpat.ffii.org Cheers//Frank -- WWWWW ________________________ ## o o\ / Frank de Lange \ }# \| / +46-734352015 \ \ `--| _/ <Hacker for Hire> \ `---' \ +31-640037120 / \ frank(a)unternet.org / `------------------------' [ "Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est." ]

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Frameset & lanlaw.org
by Frank de Lange Aug. 26, 2003

Aug. 26, 2003

I just noticed that my current version of the tab+frame patch still has problems with sites like lamlaw.com, which put body content outside of frameset content. Even though this is against the spec, I've changed my current version of the patch so it displays the right (frameset) content for sites like this. BTW, lamlaw.com is really weird... The sequence of tags is html - head - frameset - /frameset - noframes - /head - body - /body - /noframes - /frameset - /html. So, it has frameset inside head (wrong), /head inside noframes, an extra /frameset, etc. The document claims to be html-4.0-transitional. Sure. Cheers//Frank -- WWWWW ________________________ ## o o\ / Frank de Lange \ }# \| / +46-734352015 \ \ `--| _/ <Hacker for Hire> \ `---' \ +31-640037120 / \ frank(a)unternet.org / `------------------------' [ "Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est." ]

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finger plugin
by Andreas Schweitzer Aug. 22, 2003

Aug. 22, 2003

Hi, as promised in a previous mail. Here is the still quite rough finger dpi intended for interested developers : http://www.hs.uni-hamburg.de/~stcd102/dillo/ http://www.hs.uni-hamburg.de/~stcd102/dillo/adpi-0.1.tar.gz It's configure.in is essentially dillo's configure.in :-) you could actually just put finger.c in the ./dpi/ subdirectory of dillo and adjust Makefile.am accordingly. but now I have an actual distribution :-) In the tarball is also what I call so far a library ... well, or at least the routines that have been re-used over and over. Lastly, there is also an experiment : a term plugin, which lets you call arbitrary programs from within dillo (read the source, though !) Installation: just copy the created .dpi files to ~/.dillo/ and edit ~/.dillo/dpidrc (as long as this file exists), then go to dpi:/finger/ If you want dillo to actually recognize the finger URL you will have to edit src/IO/Url.c and sr/capi.c. Search for the string "ftp" inside these two files and duplicate the relevant part for the finger protocol. Or await how dillo evolves :-) Cheers, Andreas -- **************************** NEW ADDRESS ****************************** Hamburger Sternwarte Universitaet Hamburg Gojenbergsweg 112 Tel. ++49 40 42891 4016 D-21029 Hamburg, Germany Fax. ++49 40 42891 4198

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[PATCH] version 9 of tab+frame patch, frame support 'complete' (?)
by Frank de Lange Aug. 22, 2003

Aug. 22, 2003

Hi'all, The next version (9) of my tab patch is ready (see bottom of this message for download instructions). Frameset support is now almost complete, manual resize has been added, targeted link functionality has been improved, most frame-related attributes actually work, try it I'd say... Frameset (and iframe) support is enabled by default, it can be disabled using the configure option --enable-xhtml-dtd=strict. You can also use --enable-xhtml-dtd=transitional, which will give you iframe but no frameset support. The default option, --enable-xhtml-dtd=frameset, gives both iframe and frameset support. As usual, tab support can be disabled using --disable-tabs. Other new features (since the last version): - CTRL-U pops up the view source window - CTRL-B bookmarks the current page - CTRL-S pops up save page window New preferences frame_blank_in_tab=([NO]/YES): show frames with "_blank" target in new tab (instead of new window) (read the Browser_Frames.txt and Browser_Tabs.txt documents (in the doc/ directory) and the dillorc file for more info on tab- and frame-related preferences (after applying the patch, of course...)) Of course, the patch also fixes some bugs (and possibly introduces new ones). More on frame/iframe support ============================ Frameset support is based on a new widget (GtkFrameset) which implements <frameset> as specified in xhtml-dtd-frameset. This widget is not Dillo-specific, so it can in theory be used in any GTK program. It is a pure GTK widget, not rooted in Dw. It does not provide any special support for Dw-specific features (eg. the full-screen-off-button is not displayed in the widget). I might make a special version for Dillo after the GTK-version has been debugged sufficiently. What works: - loading (nested) framesets, displaying frames at their appropriate location and appropriate size, including margin width/height and scrolling. - loading (nested) iframes, displaying iframes at their appropriate location and with (mostly) appropriate size and alignment. - manual frame resize (row, column or both at the same time (drag border crossing - this does not work between nested framesets) - all frame-related menu options (in the popup menu). Frame menus can be accessed using the 'This Frame...' button in the popup menu, nested framesets have their own 'This Frameset...' menu. This way, Dillo allows you to limit actions to a subset of a framed document, eg. you can search for text in just one frame/iframe/frameset. Top-level menu options usually refer to the whole document (the frameset). An exception to this is the 'Jump To' option, which refers to the frame in which the menu was opened (question: should this contain the anchors for all frames?). Use the 'Show only this Frame' option in the Frame Options menu to get a full-page view of a frame. Same for 'Show only this Frameset'. What does not work yet: - the full_screen_off_button is not shown in frame documents. Use double-click instead to toggle the full screen setting... - the frameborder attribute works, but dw_gtk_scrolled_frame always draws a (focus) shadow around itself - even with the border size is set to 0. This makes it impossible to draw frames seamlessly. Tabs, Frames and browser bloat ============================== version: 0.8.0-pre patch: dillo-20030821-tabs.patch.gz unpatched: 285536 bytes patched, no tabs, no frames: 290444 bytes patched, with tabs, no frames: 298092 bytes patched, no tabs, with frames: 307116 bytes patched, with tabs, with frames: 314892 bytes version: 0.7.3 patch: dillo-0.7.3-20030821-tabs.patch.gz unpatched: 284416 bytes patched, no tabs, no frames: 289708 bytes patched, with tabs, no frames: 297324 bytes patched, no tabs, with frames: 305708 bytes patched, with tabs, with frames: 313452 bytes (gcc 3.2.2, binutils 2.13.90.0.18, CFLAGS "-Os") Judge for yourself if the features are worth their weight in bytes... Download instructions ===================== There are now two versions of the patch, one for Dillo 0.7.3 (release) and one for Dillo 0.8.0-pre (CVS). Make sure to download the correct version for the Dillo source you want to patch! If you patch the CVS source, do not forget to run ./autogen.sh after applying the patch. The CVS patch is made against 20030820 CVS, while the 0.7.3 patch is made against Dillo-0.7.3.tar.bz2 (the source tarball on the main Dillo website). Both versions of the patch can be downloaded from the usual (ad-happy, but...) Geocities site: http://www.geocities.com/ikbenfrank/ More specifically for both versions: Dillo 0.8.0-pre (CVS) ===================== http://www.geocities.com/ikbenfrank/dillo-20030821-tabs.patch.gz size: 66661 bytes (gzipped, as downloaded) 281416 bytes (uncompressed) md5sum: 6afb73d97d3db88c629726cef100f604 (gzipped, as downloaded) c3b6ee3095d4b230a78cf836516e0023 (uncompressed) Dillo 0.7.3 (release) ===================== http://www.geocities.com/ikbenfrank/dillo-0.7.3-20030821-tabs.patch.gz size: 93929 bytes (gzipped, as downloaded) 399156 bytes (uncompressed) md5sum: 0363c9ad9f94df9b1bca23e5489e5c5e (gzipped, as downloaded) 8fca8c49a01cd6a6103661720eb8d60d (uncompressed) As always, check the site for the most recent version: That's all for now, Cheers//Frank -- WWWWW ________________________ ## o o\ / Frank de Lange \ }# \| / +46-734352015 \ \ `--| _/ <Hacker for Hire> \ `---' \ +31-640037120 / \ frank(a)unternet.org / `------------------------' [ "Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est." ]

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Some points about the dpi's
by Andreas Schweitzer Aug. 22, 2003

Aug. 22, 2003

Hi, All right, I did it. I made my first dpi ! :-) (heavily based on the hello dpi, though). I will poilsh it a bit and release it soon. It can handle finger URLs. Two caveats : there is no standard for finger URL's, only some drafts http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-ietf-uri-url-finger-00.txt http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-ietf-uri-url-finger-01.txt http://www.watersprings.org/pub/id/draft-ietf-uri-url-finger-02.txt http://ftp.ics.uci.edu/pub/ietf/uri/draft-ietf-uri-url-finger-03.txt I implemented version 01 and 03 (if you check the documents you'll know why). However, I did find real finger URL's in the wild. The second caveat : dillo does not automatically call this plugin upon such a URL. It is easy to patch dillo, though. However, this brings me to my questions : 1) will there be a generic URL->dpi mapping ? I could imagine that dpid could actually handle that. I think, one would need to only modify IO/Url.c and capi.c to simply pass through EVERYTHING to the dpi framework. However, some "core URL handling dpi's" that will become part of the dillo package can probably stay hardcoded in dillo. 1b) Either way, I am planing on writing a "catch-all-URL handler" or "fallback handler" or "univeral URL handler" or the like. It will give the user the possibility to start an external program for handling certain URL's. In fact, with my current dpi, this is quite easy to do :-). 2) Does it make sense to write a library for all the dpi's ? I, for myself, did start simply collecting all the functions that I found in dpi/ and are used by many dpi's and put them in a library. Like the various send_stream functions or the get_attr_value function, or the encoding and decoding functions. 3) About configuration (and I think I read comments about this in the code), shouldn't there be only one config file ? and not dpidrc and possibly different configs for all the dpis ? maybe even merge cookiesrc with dillorc ? I guess some of this (or all of it ?) is being worked on by some of you. Maybe this mail helps to avoid duplication :-) Cheers, Andreas P.S.: I also have some ideas about improving the ftp plugin. There is a pretty simple ftp library, and I think it does make sense to actually log in an ftp server and stay logged in for all the operations. (unlike wget which logs in and out for every file). This is not only faster but helps with busy ftp sites, too ! -- **************************** NEW ADDRESS ****************************** Hamburger Sternwarte Universitaet Hamburg Gojenbergsweg 112 Tel. ++49 40 42891 4016 D-21029 Hamburg, Germany Fax. ++49 40 42891 4198

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[PATCH] Tentative solution of #448, #449
by tomas＠fabula.de Aug. 20, 2003

Aug. 20, 2003

Hi, I've got a problem with 8 bit depth visuals (the images have the wrong palette). This is similar to bug #449 of your bug tracking database (thus I tentatively offered to fix it. Tentative patch is below. Besides, this looks very much like bug #448, so this might be related. I call the patch ``tentative'' because (a) I don't really know 100% what I'm doing here (b) I haven't tested this on other color depths yet. Nevertheless images show correctly now; the price I pay for this is Technicolor. Regards -- tomas ------------------------------------------------- diff -Naur dillo-0.7.3/src/dillo.c dillo-0.7.3-color/src/dillo.c --- dillo-0.7.3/src/dillo.c Tue Jul 22 22:51:22 2003 +++ dillo-0.7.3-color/src/dillo.c Fri Aug 8 19:01:32 2003 @@ -245,6 +245,9 @@ signal(SIGCHLD, Dillo_sigchld_handler); + gtk_widget_push_visual(gdk_rgb_get_visual()); + gtk_widget_push_colormap(gdk_rgb_get_cmap()); + /* check that ~/.dillo exists, create it if it doesn't */ dir = a_Misc_prepend_user_home(".dillo"); Dillo_check_home_dir(dir); @@ -304,6 +307,9 @@ a_Prefs_freeall(); a_Dw_freeall(); a_History_free(); + + gtk_widget_pop_colormap(); + gtk_widget_pop_visual(); g_print("Dillo: normal exit!\n"); return 0;

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Re: Another review of Dillo 0.7.2
by Jorge Arellano Cid Aug. 18, 2003

Aug. 18, 2003

On Sun, 17 Aug 2003, Pete Spicer wrote: > Hi there! > > There was a review of Dillo 0.7.2 in Linux Format issue 42 (July 2003) which > featured it in their "Hot Picks" section (it got a half-page review with > screenshot browsing Slashdot.org on page 41) Good! Thanks for the information. > It was written by Mike Saunders, and quotes it as "starting up amazingly > quickly" and "works marvellously well for simple browsing tasks and the > rendering engine rivals Links for pure speed". It'd be very nice to have a link to it, but I don't know whether LinuxFormat has it online. Does anyone know the link? > Oh, and by the way, I use it myself on my machine when administering my > database with phpMyAdmin (just because it uses frames doesn't mean it can't > cope... provided you pick the right frame to be displayed, Dillo is fine > with PMA!) This is also very good to know. We may surprise you again soon! > Thanks for a great browser, > Pete :-) Cheers Jorge.-

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dillo - my favorite browser (fwd)
by Jorge Arellano Cid Aug. 18, 2003

Aug. 18, 2003

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:57:41 +0200 From: Mario Moder <clay-man(a)freenet.de> To: jcid(a)softhome.net Subject: dillo - my favorite browser Hi! Congratulations! I have been using Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1 and it is very disappointing that it takes half a minute to start on my good old P1-200 with 64 MB RAM. Even when it is running, it runs really slow and uses a lot of memory. I tried the new dillo 0.7.3 and, wow, it started in one second and it renders 90% of the pages I visit everyday quite good and fast. I really look forward to watch this browser grow more mature but stay small and fast. Best wishes, Mario

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