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[Dillo-dev]about porting dillo to another toolkit
by Eduard Bondarenko March 3, 2004

March 3, 2004

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I think dillo have to be ported to fox toolkit (http://fox-toolkit.org/) it is better than gtk2 and fltk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with MultiZilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFARigvWVzJEsNrxK8RAnfXAKCJIYK8JBEpVmfn+GqhlzRqXVIq6gCfXLrw SuLflp2nwpqq2ctAytMVsuc= =mauP -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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[Dillo-dev]0.80 crash and info
by Riccardo March 2, 2004

March 2, 2004

Hello, I am on OpenBSD 3.4. I run dillo 0.80 and go to "www.knuddel.org" I get the following (repeatable) error: (gdb) run Starting program: /usr/local/bin/dillo dillo_dns_init: Here we go! Disabling cookies. Nav_open_url: Url=>about:splash< Nav_open_url: Url=>http://www.knuddel.org< Dns_server [0]: www.knuddel.org is 0x738d28 Connecting to 64.95.194.245 Gdk-ERROR **: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) serial 4490 error_code 8 request_code 72 minor_code 0 typing 'bt' tells me "no stack" and now ? -Ric

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[Dillo-dev]New to the list -- some patches
by Nelson Rodriguez March 2, 2004

March 2, 2004

Hello everybody, I'm new to the list. I decided to subscribe the list to share some changes I've done to Dillo. I don't know much about programming in GTK, but I know C, so I just modified some functions and took as example existing code. Here are the things I've done so far: - Show a option for "Back" and "Forward" in the pop-up page menu (for history navigation) - Open Links in new window when the link has a target _blank or _new (this include form posts too) - Show in the status bar if a link will open in a new window or same window Who do I sent this patches? I would really love if this gets into the development tree, so I don't have to do it every time a new release comes :P (The web page says that if it's a dillo widget to send it to Sebastian, but otherwise to me. Who is me??? ) The changes I did affected html.c, menu.c, url.c and url.h. Is that part of the "widget"? I plan to improve things in dillo, because I really like it. Right now I'm working in a change to make images fit in the screen (like the IE and Mozilla "zoom" features) when displaying just an image. Ok, bye for now. Please remember to let me know who/how do I send th patches. Nelson

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[Dillo-dev]Re: Italian docs
by Jorge Arellano Cid March 1, 2004

March 1, 2004

On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, Lupino wrote: > Hi Jorge, do you remember me? Yes i do! ;) Even when I can't answer all the email that I get, usually the names keep inside my head (for instance, as for Ivan, to whom I still owe an answer). > I've translated the file you sent me, and the file README, both packed in > doc-it.tar.bz2. Are there other files to translate? That's all for now. I didn't include the README file in the tarball (we could end with lots of translations that way). Maybe it'd be good to link to it from the help page... > > Do you plan to translate dillo itself in languages different from english? I > would like to help you! I'd like, but that's to be done when we start I18n (more in the developer notes). Just check the help page now! Thanks Jorge.-

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[Dillo-dev]dillo .filter.dpi mini mini howto
by Diego Sáenz March 1, 2004

March 1, 2004

Hello. The DPIP is here, but it seems that developers(external ones) do not make a big use of it. I have made a litle PI to learn how to use DPIs that can help others. This filter dpi uses tidy to see a bad writen page. If i have write this dpi is only because it was more easy to write in shell script than a download dpi with progres indicator, thah was my other option. I agree that tidy is a big thing but in the server side. First of all a filter.dpi is a executable file that reads dillo comands from stdin an ouputs commands and html to stdout. It can be write in any language that can do this. It is possible to do it in shell programing. This file must be in a directory in /usr/local/lib/dillo/ for a local compiled dillo. When you enter a url dpi:/name/otherthings a file /usr/local/lib/dillo/name/name.filter.dpi is executed and a command <dpi cmd='open_url' url='dpi:/name/otherthings'> is send to it. Then the PI can send commands or html page that dillo show. I have try to send more than a page, with and without the reload command, and use another comands but for the moment this do not work for dpi filters. If you add a filter dpi with dpid running do not forget to restart it or reload DPIs using dpidc. To install this PI create a tidy directory in the dillo DPIs directory and copy it named tidy.filter.dpi You can use it to see some bad writen pages with a url like dpi:/tidy/http://page_that_you_can_view_with The PI do not add index.htm automaticaly so put it in the url. I hope that this help somebody to write some better PIs. Diego. ------------------------ #!/bin/sh # characters delimiting the fields for read IFS=" '/" # Read dillo's request read -d'>' tag cmd cmd_value url url_tag1 url_tag2 url_value_e # read put each field in a variable. them looks like: # tag "<dpi" # cmd "cmd=" it can be intersting to test this strings # cmd_value "open_url" for this aplication. Dillo can send "add_bookmark" and # "chat" too.(0.8.0 version) With a case we can respond to every dillo command# url "url=" for this command # url_tag1 "dpi:" for this app ... # url_tag2 "tidy" # url_value_e "http://server.com/path/file.html'" we do not want that final ' # so we delete it url_value=`echo -n "$url_value_e" | tr -d "'"` # get the name of the file name=`basename "$url_value"` # with the follow lines we get the url without the filename without using awk u_tmp1=` echo -n "$url_value" | tr "." "\n" ` u_tmp2=` echo -n "$u_tmp1" | tr "/" "." ` n_tmp=` echo -n "$name" | tr "." "\n" ` b_tmp1=` basename "$u_tmp2" ".$n_tmp" ` b_tmp2=` echo -n "$b_tmp1" | tr "." "/" ` base=` echo -n "$b_tmp2" | tr "\n" "." ` # we change status line with send_status_message PI to Dillo command echo "<dpi cmd='send_status_message' msg='tidy up $url_value. please wait'>" ## we send a wait page with the start_send_page command. We can command dillo## to "reload_request" and "chat" too. (0.8.0 version) #cat <<EOF #<dpi cmd='start_send_page' url='dpi:/tidy/wait.html'> #Content-type: text/html # #<html> # <head> # <title> Wait a moment TYDY up this MESS </title> # </head> # <body> # <h1> # Tidy up this mess ($url_value) <br> # Please wait a moment # </h1> # </body> #</html> # # #EOF # we download the page url_value to /tmp with wget wget --no-parent -nc -nH --cut-dirs=30 -P /tmp/ $url_value # with this the page works in local like from inet. Tidy move base to the# right html place echo "<base href=$base >" >> /tmp/$name # we send the html header # Don't forget the empty line after the Content-type cat <<EOF <dpi cmd='start_send_page' url='$url_value'> Content-type: text/html EOF # and tidy do the rest tidy /tmp/$name # clean up the tmp files rm /tmp/$name ---------------------------------------------

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[Dillo-dev]CSS pre-release 2
by Sebastian Geerken Feb. 29, 2004

Feb. 29, 2004

Hi! A second CSS pre-release is available, at <http://www.dillo.org/download/dillo-0.8.0-css-2.tar.gz>. It now deals with external stylesheets (thanks to Jörgen), and adds the forgotten HTML entities. Sebastain

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[Dillo-dev]RE: Error png in make of Dillo - Help
by Eduard Bondarenko Feb. 28, 2004

Feb. 28, 2004

dillo-dev-request(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de wrote: >Send Dillo-dev mailing list submissions to > dillo-dev(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > dillo-dev-request(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de > >You can reach the person managing the list at > dillo-dev-admin(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Dillo-dev digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Error png in make of Dillo - Help (=?iso-8859-1?q?Pablo?=) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 17:53:23 -0600 (CST) >From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Pablo?= <pabloruiz(a)yahoo.com> >To: dillo-dev(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de >Subject: [Dillo-dev]Error png in make of Dillo - Help > >I wish use Dillo but I got an error, I apprecite if somebody can help >me. > >make >make all-recursive >make[1]: Cambiando a directorio `/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0' >Making all in doc >make[2]: Cambiando a directorio >`/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/doc' >make[2]: No se hace nada para `all'. >make[2]: Saliendo directorio `/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/doc' >Making all in src >make[2]: Cambiando a directorio >`/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src' >Making all in IO >make[3]: Cambiando a directorio >`/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/IO' >make[3]: No se hace nada para `all'. >make[3]: Saliendo directorio >`/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/IO' >make[3]: Cambiando a directorio >`/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src' >gcc -I/usr/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 >-I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -g -O2 >-D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -Wall -W -Wno-unused-parameter >-Waggregate-return -L/usr/local/lib -o dillo chain.o commands.o >cache.o capi.o dw.o dw_aligned_page.o dw_bullet.o dw_button.o >dw_container.o dw_embed_gtk.o dw_ext_iterator.o dw_gtk_scrolled_frame.o >dw_gtk_scrolled_window.o dw_gtk_statuslabel.o dw_gtk_viewport.o >dw_hruler.o dw_image.o dw_list_item.o dw_marshal.o dw_page.o dw_style.o >dw_table.o dw_table_cell.o dw_tooltip.o dw_widget.o findtext.o >selection.o web.o progressbar.o dillo.o bookmark.o dicache.o dns.o >gif.o jpeg.o png.o html.o image.o misc.o interface.o history.o nav.o >plain.o menu.o prefs.o colors.o bitvec.o klist.o strbuf.o url.o >cookies.o IO/libDio.a -ljpeg -L/usr/lib -Wl,-rpath,/usr/lib -L/usr/lib >-L/usr/X11R6/lib -lgtk -lgdk -rdynamic -lgmodule -lglib -ldl -lXi >-lXext -lX11 -lm -lz -lpthread >png.o: En la funciуn `Png_error_handling': >/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:116: referencia a >`png_get_error_ptr' sin definir >png.o: En la funciуn `Png_datainfo_callback': >/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:136: referencia a >`png_get_progressive_ptr' sin definir >/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:139: referencia a >`png_get_IHDR' sin definir >/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:153: referencia a >`png_get_valid' sin definir >/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:167: referencia a >`png_get_gAMA' sin definir >/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:182: referencia a >`png_read_update_info' sin definir >/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:184: referencia a >`png_get_IHDR' sin definir >/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:187: referencia a >`png_get_rowbytes' sin definir >/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:188: referencia a >`png_get_channels' sin definir >/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:178: referencia a >`png_set_interlace_handling' sin definir >/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:173: referencia a >`png_set_gray_to_rgb' sin definir >/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:168: referencia a >`png_set_gamma' sin definir >/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:161: referencia a >`png_set_strip_16' sin definir >/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:157: referencia a >`png_set_expand' sin definir >png.o: En la funciуn `Png_datarow_callback': >/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:221: referencia a >`png_get_progressive_ptr' sin definir >/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:223: referencia a >`png_progressive_combine_row' sin definir >png.o: En la funciуn `Png_dataend_callback': >/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:282: referencia a >`png_get_progressive_ptr' sin definir >png.o: En la funciуn `Png_callback': >/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:381: referencia a >`png_process_data' sin definir >/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:350: referencia a >`png_check_sig' sin definir >/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:356: referencia a >`png_create_read_struct' sin definir >/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:362: referencia a >`png_create_info_struct' sin definir >/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:367: referencia a >`png_set_progressive_read_fn' sin definir >/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:325: referencia a >`png_destroy_read_struct' sin definir >collect2: ld returned 1 exit status >make[3]: *** [dillo] Error 1 >make[3]: Saliendo directorio `/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src' >make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 >make[2]: Saliendo directorio `/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src' >make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 >make[1]: Saliendo directorio `/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0' >make: *** [all] Error 2 > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Informaciуn de Estados Unidos y Amйrica Latina, en Yahoo! Noticias. >Visнtanos en http://noticias.espanol.yahoo.com > > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >Dillo-dev mailing list >Dillo-dev(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de >http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev > > >End of Dillo-dev Digest > > > > make sure that you have install libpng. also i don't see -lpng in gcc command, you can edit Makefile if you sure you have libpng installed

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[Dillo-dev]Error png in make of Dillo - Help
by Pablo Feb. 28, 2004

Feb. 28, 2004

I wish use Dillo but I got an error, I apprecite if somebody can help me. make make all-recursive make[1]: Cambiando a directorio `/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0' Making all in doc make[2]: Cambiando a directorio `/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/doc' make[2]: No se hace nada para `all'. make[2]: Saliendo directorio `/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/doc' Making all in src make[2]: Cambiando a directorio `/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src' Making all in IO make[3]: Cambiando a directorio `/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/IO' make[3]: No se hace nada para `all'. make[3]: Saliendo directorio `/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/IO' make[3]: Cambiando a directorio `/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src' gcc -I/usr/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -g -O2 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -Wall -W -Wno-unused-parameter -Waggregate-return -L/usr/local/lib -o dillo chain.o commands.o cache.o capi.o dw.o dw_aligned_page.o dw_bullet.o dw_button.o dw_container.o dw_embed_gtk.o dw_ext_iterator.o dw_gtk_scrolled_frame.o dw_gtk_scrolled_window.o dw_gtk_statuslabel.o dw_gtk_viewport.o dw_hruler.o dw_image.o dw_list_item.o dw_marshal.o dw_page.o dw_style.o dw_table.o dw_table_cell.o dw_tooltip.o dw_widget.o findtext.o selection.o web.o progressbar.o dillo.o bookmark.o dicache.o dns.o gif.o jpeg.o png.o html.o image.o misc.o interface.o history.o nav.o plain.o menu.o prefs.o colors.o bitvec.o klist.o strbuf.o url.o cookies.o IO/libDio.a -ljpeg -L/usr/lib -Wl,-rpath,/usr/lib -L/usr/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lgtk -lgdk -rdynamic -lgmodule -lglib -ldl -lXi -lXext -lX11 -lm -lz -lpthread png.o: En la función `Png_error_handling': /home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:116: referencia a `png_get_error_ptr' sin definir png.o: En la función `Png_datainfo_callback': /home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:136: referencia a `png_get_progressive_ptr' sin definir /home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:139: referencia a `png_get_IHDR' sin definir /home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:153: referencia a `png_get_valid' sin definir /home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:167: referencia a `png_get_gAMA' sin definir /home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:182: referencia a `png_read_update_info' sin definir /home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:184: referencia a `png_get_IHDR' sin definir /home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:187: referencia a `png_get_rowbytes' sin definir /home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:188: referencia a `png_get_channels' sin definir /home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:178: referencia a `png_set_interlace_handling' sin definir /home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:173: referencia a `png_set_gray_to_rgb' sin definir /home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:168: referencia a `png_set_gamma' sin definir /home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:161: referencia a `png_set_strip_16' sin definir /home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:157: referencia a `png_set_expand' sin definir png.o: En la función `Png_datarow_callback': /home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:221: referencia a `png_get_progressive_ptr' sin definir /home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:223: referencia a `png_progressive_combine_row' sin definir png.o: En la función `Png_dataend_callback': /home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:282: referencia a `png_get_progressive_ptr' sin definir png.o: En la función `Png_callback': /home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:381: referencia a `png_process_data' sin definir /home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:350: referencia a `png_check_sig' sin definir /home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:356: referencia a `png_create_read_struct' sin definir /home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:362: referencia a `png_create_info_struct' sin definir /home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:367: referencia a `png_set_progressive_read_fn' sin definir /home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src/png.c:325: referencia a `png_destroy_read_struct' sin definir collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[3]: *** [dillo] Error 1 make[3]: Saliendo directorio `/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Saliendo directorio `/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Saliendo directorio `/home/pr114793/Downloads/dillo-0.8.0' make: *** [all] Error 2 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Información de Estados Unidos y América Latina, en Yahoo! Noticias. Visítanos en http://noticias.espanol.yahoo.com

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[Dillo-dev]CVS
by Pete Feb. 26, 2004

Feb. 26, 2004

Can someone fill me in a little on the CVS process. I just installed from the CVS server. Now say for example I want to update every week...or whenver there is progress made. How do I do this? I am pretty sure I dont do what I just did to install it. FreeBSD btw. Thanks -- Pete http://milneweb.com http://nomorevirus.com

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[Dillo-dev]Re: Upcoming review.
by Gavin Henry Feb. 25, 2004

Feb. 25, 2004

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - ---------- Original Message ----------- From: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org> To: Gavin Henry <ghenry(a)fedoranews.org> Cc: Dillo mailing list <dillo-dev(a)auriga.wearlab.de> Sent: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:22:38 -0300 (CLST) Subject: Re: Upcoming review. > [list: this was originally a personal answer to Gavin, but as it > has general interest information I'm CC to dillo-dev. > It's about a browser comparison article. ] > > Gavin, > > > [...] > > Thanks, I saw a few of these. I will check out the wording etc. Mine might > > not be so in depth, more of a general features thing. But there will be > > figures ie load times etc. which I am sure yours will win. > > :) > > > Know of any monster sites, that would be a good benchmark for the browsers. I > > have ADSL, so banwidth shouldn't be an issue. > > There're some interesting tests to be done. Which one you > choose depends on the time you have, and on what you want to test > for. > > For instance, IMHO, the common "web experience" has four > important factors: So far I have tested the browsers on slashdot, and bbc.co.uk and a few others. They all seem to wait until some pictures arrive until rendering anything. I haven't time these yet. Dillo, displays text immediately, but has some difficulty with CSS. For instance fedoranews.org looks bad :-) Are you familiar with http://wwww.udcast.com/ whcih runs freebsd and has customised apache etc. I thought maybe you have done something like this. As my day job www.invsat.com we had a demo from them and they explained the priciple of http precaching. Instead of requesting 4 images then waiting, it requests all images at once, as this then reduces the latency across a satellite link. Is this how your browser works? (*I haven't look at any code as of yet ;-) ) > > * Network wait time > > * Rendering wait time > > * Time to start seeing content > - streamed rendering > > * Site usability These will be what I base the benchmarks on. > > These are key factors; for instance the same site may be > unusable depending on whether you're on a dialup or broad band. > The same is true for rendering time (influenced by CPU power and > available memory); you may end going to some site only when > you're sitting at a powerful workstation. I don't have access to dial-up, but I have a celeron 400 and a athlon xp 2000 to test on. > > The time to start seeing content is also important. If it takes > too long, it may exceed the user's patience (there're studies > about this). For instance, if a browser needs the whole table > to start rendering, some table-based sites will be exceedingly > annoying to visit (unless your band-width can mitigate this). Dillo is very fast on this. > > The site usability is another key factor. For instance if it's > designed for a certain browser, it may be impossible to use with > another. Alot seem broken. I will properly read the review site you posted so I can see what result they found. > Now, getting back to the test suggestions you asked, these > points can be isolated. > > * Network wait time: > > Get to a site with multiple images, ideally with some coming > from other sites. I'm sure you will find a better example for > an english speaking audience, but this link illustrates the idea: > > http://www.lun.com/_portada/contenido.asp Alot of pics n this one ;) > > * Rendering wait time > > Very simple, load a semi complex page (like slashdot with > comments --a 500KB one), or a large one (as the mysql manual -- I > have one which is more than two Megabytes long). > > Press back, the forward. (you can have some coffee :) Slashdot works perfect. What do you define as a compliant site? All done in CSS? no java script or flash? xhtml or html? Oops, meant for usability section. > > * Time to start seeing content > - streamed rendering > > Get to a table-based semi complex page (300Kb-600Kb) and > measure the time between asking for the URL and when you can > start reading. > > * Site usability > > Well, this depends on whether the page respects standards, how > broken the site implementation is, the browser's support for > the technologies involved, user preferences (javascript may be > disabled, same for cookies, a JVM may not be present, same for > flash, etc). Got it. > > -- > > Now that's for having some numbers to show inside a table for > people with above the average knowledge about browsers :-) > > (very interesting, but not massive). Nope, but very interesting. I will need a quick hand on the stop watch :-) > > Simple usability experience can be explained to less technical > people: > > For instance, take dillo, and dig for something using google. > You'll find that the time you use to make different queries and > to check for alternative links until you find what you look for > is better than with almost anything you've used before. Noticed that. > > The same is true for browsing local documentation (all of those > html files under the /usr/doc or /usr/share/doc directories). > This happens because the combined rendering speed and low > download time (a filesystem) let you move very quickly, back and > forward, make text searches inside the pages, go to another link, > saving you lots of time. Agreed. > > Going with dillo to any web site is different, if it respects > standards (ans so renders OK) its great, but if not, you'll have > to resort to a bigger browser. Agreed. :-( > > The other important points to consider is to test with > different band widths and CPU power. You'll barely notice how > fast dillo is on a 2.2 Ghz machine, and if you only test on broad > band you'll never know that it's possible to have a good browsing > experience with a simple dialup. > > That's it. > > Cheers > Jorge.- - ------- End of Original Message ------- Thanks Jorge, I really appreciate your time and expertise. I think these will be used as the basis for browser benchmarks, stealling the reasoning you gave for the introductions :-) I will give you a preview of it as it starts to resemble something readable. Thanks again. P.S> I posted this to the list from my company account too. - -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Director. Open Source. 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[Dillo-dev]CVS password
by Jeremy Henty Feb. 24, 2004

Feb. 24, 2004

Hello people, I just tried to download from CVS as per the instructions on your CVS page and I'm getting kicked out. I have tried guessing passwords (my email, "guest", "anonymous") but nothing works. What am I doing wrong? (I am running CVS 1.11.11 on Linux 2.4.25 .) $ cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@auriga.wearlab.de:/sfhome/cvs/dillo login Logging in to :pserver:anonymous@auriga.wearlab.de:2401/sfhome/cvs/dillo CVS password: cvs login: authorization failed: server auriga.wearlab.de rejected access to /sfhome/cvs/dillo for user anonymous Cheers, Jeremy

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[Dillo-dev]Re: Upcoming review.
by Jorge Arellano Cid Feb. 24, 2004

Feb. 24, 2004

[list: this was originally a personal answer to Gavin, but as it has general interest information I'm CC to dillo-dev. It's about a browser comparison article. ] Gavin, > [...] > Thanks, I saw a few of these. I will check out the wording etc. Mine might > not be so in depth, more of a general features thing. But there will be > figures ie load times etc. which I am sure yours will win. :) > Know of any monster sites, that would be a good benchmark for the browsers. I > have ADSL, so banwidth shouldn't be an issue. There're some interesting tests to be done. Which one you choose depends on the time you have, and on what you want to test for. For instance, IMHO, the common "web experience" has four important factors: * Network wait time * Rendering wait time * Time to start seeing content - streamed rendering * Site usability These are key factors; for instance the same site may be unusable depending on whether you're on a dialup or broad band. The same is true for rendering time (influenced by CPU power and available memory); you may end going to some site only when you're sitting at a powerful workstation. The time to start seeing content is also important. If it takes too long, it may exceed the user's patience (there're studies about this). For instance, if a browser needs the whole table to start rendering, some table-based sites will be exceedingly annoying to visit (unless your band-width can mitigate this). The site usability is another key factor. For instance if it's designed for a certain browser, it may be impossible to use with another. Now, getting back to the test suggestions you asked, these points can be isolated. * Network wait time: Get to a site with multiple images, ideally with some coming from other sites. I'm sure you will find a better example for an english speaking audience, but this link illustrates the idea: http://www.lun.com/_portada/contenido.asp * Rendering wait time Very simple, load a semi complex page (like slashdot with comments --a 500KB one), or a large one (as the mysql manual -- I have one which is more than two Megabytes long). Press back, the forward. (you can have some coffee :) * Time to start seeing content - streamed rendering Get to a table-based semi complex page (300Kb-600Kb) and measure the time between asking for the URL and when you can start reading. * Site usability Well, this depends on whether the page respects standards, how broken the site implementation is, the browser's support for the technologies involved, user preferences (javascript may be disabled, same for cookies, a JVM may not be present, same for flash, etc). -- Now that's for having some numbers to show inside a table for people with above the average knowledge about browsers :-) (very interesting, but not massive). Simple usability experience can be explained to less technical people: For instance, take dillo, and dig for something using google. You'll find that the time you use to make different queries and to check for alternative links until you find what you look for is better than with almost anything you've used before. The same is true for browsing local documentation (all of those html files under the /usr/doc or /usr/share/doc directories). This happens because the combined rendering speed and low download time (a filesystem) let you move very quickly, back and forward, make text searches inside the pages, go to another link, saving you lots of time. Going with dillo to any web site is different, if it respects standards (ans so renders OK) its great, but if not, you'll have to resort to a bigger browser. The other important points to consider is to test with different band widths and CPU power. You'll barely notice how fast dillo is on a 2.2 Ghz machine, and if you only test on broad band you'll never know that it's possible to have a good browsing experience with a simple dialup. That's it. Cheers Jorge.-

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Re: [Dillo-dev]Frame support in CVS
by Kelson Vibber Feb. 23, 2004

Feb. 23, 2004

On Saturday 21 February 2004 5:19 am, Andreas Kemnade wrote: > I have tried to update Frank's patch. It is not well tested or cleaned > up yet but I simply need to take a deep breath. Thanks! I tried to do that a week or so ago, but didn't get far enough for it to be useful. The patch you posted works so far here (minus obvious things like the incomplete splash page). I've posted some test RPMs in the usual spot, if anyone's interested. > The patch has one big problem. It is too big. Not that it bloats dillo, > but it is hard to review such a big patch. Perhaps it can be split up > and then be committed piece by piece. Has anyone ideas how to split it? > Perhaps in the DilloDoc/BrowserWindow separation, the kbnav thing and > frame support? Agreed. My suggestion would be to pare it down to just what's needed for frames and tabs. Rip out the kbnav changes, the splash screen changes, and everything else. Once that's done, maybe separate the pieces further just to make the pieces easier to review. Maybe three chunks: the doc/window split, frames support, and tabs support. > So what's the way to get frames into cvs? I suspect that the smaller and easier-to-review the patch is, the better chance it'll have of getting accepted. (But I'm just an interested end-user and packager, not a core developer, so what do I know?) > I would not like to see Frank's effort lost. Neither would I! -- Kelson Vibber www.hyperborea.org

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[Dillo-dev]Italian help translation
by Andrea Spadaccini Feb. 22, 2004

Feb. 22, 2004

Hi, list! I'm a new user of Dillo, and I found it GREAT! It's handy at home, my PII-400 likes it; at the university is EVEN BETTER (we have PI-133, so you can imagine how sluggish is netscape..). I'm writing to ask if I can translate Dillo help in Italian: is there someone else that is translating in italian? If there isn't, which files should I translate, and where should I send them? Thanks for you great work! -- Andrea Spadaccini -- a.k.a. Lupino / Lupin85 - Catania - -:* Powered by Slackware Linux 9.1 *:-

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[Dillo-dev]0.8.0 issue
by Pete Feb. 22, 2004

Feb. 22, 2004

Greetings all, I certainly hate to complain after all the good work has been done in this new version of Dillo. I wont complain, I will ask a question: When I open Dillo up, if I try to open my bookmarks I get a hard lockup and have to 'xkill' dillo. Anytime I try bookmarks after that, things work just fine. It is only the initial time when I open Dillo that I have this issue. Anyone else have this issue? Running Free BSD 5.1-RC Thanks for the good work! -- Pete http://milneweb.com http://nomorevirus.com

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[Dillo-dev]Resuming...
by Jorge Arellano Cid Feb. 22, 2004

Feb. 22, 2004

Hi there, I'm back from my week off! It was very nice with plenty of good times in the southern part of Chile. A bit short but reassuring! In fact it was a few days ago that I started moving the large stack of emails and pending issues... Those still waiting for an answer, please be patient, just keep sending periodic remainders to the mailing list just in case I get lost in the email pile. ;) (email is kind of an entropic activity: the more you write, the more you receive). One of the already answered was a request from LinuxDevices. Now you can check their coverage of 0.8.0 release here: http://linuxdevices.com/news/NS6109819427.html Greetings to everyone Jorge.-

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[Dillo-dev]GTK error
by Riccardo Feb. 22, 2004

Feb. 22, 2004

Hello, dillo 0.8.0 (well, the last pre series I think...) dies from time to time with this error: Gdk-ERROR **: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes) serial 6737 error_code 8 request_code 72 minor_code 0 this is on solaris, gtk 1.2.10 -Ric

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[Dillo-dev]CSS pre-release
by Sebastian Geerken Feb. 22, 2004

Feb. 22, 2004

Hi! For those interested in the work on CSS, there is a pre-release at <http://www.dillo.org/download/dillo-0.8.0-css-1.tar.gz>. Don't expect too much, it is rather incomplete, even the splash screen cannot be displayed :-) (because of a syntax error in it). It is based on dillo 0.8.0, although much of the functionality in the latter is missing. See the file README for further informations. Sebastian

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[Dillo-dev]Frame support in CVS
by Jacky Lam Feb. 22, 2004

Feb. 22, 2004

Hi, all, I am new to dillo and I want to use dillo with frame support. I try dillo in CVS and find it only show some link pages for each frames respectively. Is it the current status? How about Frank patches? Thanks. Best regards, Jacky

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[Dillo-dev]dillo execution error
by Nagaraja Feb. 20, 2004

Feb. 20, 2004

Hi All, Has any one in the list got dillo working on Strong-Arm (SA1110), I am getting the error when I run dillo-0.7.3. my board is strong-ARM(SA1110) with 128 Mb RAM . currently I am using toolchain build with gcc-332,glibc-232 and binutils-214 to cross compile the dillo. I build the toolchain with msoft-float enabled in gcc and glibc by applying the patches downloaded from http://www.kegel.com/crosstool/ When I searched for the error I found them in the xc/lib/X11/XErrorDB file ,actually I compiled Xserver(X421src-1.tgz X421src-2.tgz, X421src-3.tgz) as usual i.e make World , make and make install since I could't find a way to enable msoft-float option in Xserver cross.def file. Has any one here got an idea what is going wrong here, is it toolchain problem or Xserver cross-compilation problem. same package(dillo-0.7.3) works fine with my previous toolchain used gcc-323,glibc-232 and binutils-21321 with same Xserver. The error is ....... Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by Xlib, locale set to C Gdk-WARNING **: can not set locale modifiers dillo_dns_init: Here we go! Disabling cookies. Nav_open_url: Url=>about:splash< Gdk-ERROR **: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) serial 527 error_code 11 request_code 45 minor_code 0 Gdk-ERROR **: BadFont (invalid Font parameter) serial 528 error_code 7 request_code 47 minor_code 0 Thank you all in advance Regards Nagaraja

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[Dillo-dev]rendering 0.7.3 vs. 0.8
by John Feb. 16, 2004

Feb. 16, 2004

Hi, I was presently surprised to see slashdot readable again. Oddly enough, some other websites are not rendering properly anymore. Here is an example: http://damnsmalllinux.org/0.7.3_vs_0.8.png The Dillo on top is 0.8 while the one on the bottom is 0.7.3. Regards, John

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[Dillo-dev]dillo question
by Globe Trotter Feb. 15, 2004

Feb. 15, 2004

Hi, New to dillo, and like it! But can not get www.washingtonpost.com to display. Any ways around it? I a using Fedora Core 1 and version dillo 0.80. The idea of having non-bloated software is so wonderful and something I so deeply believe in!! Thanks for working on it!!! Best wishes! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

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[Dillo-dev]Thanks!!
by Scorpio Rising Feb. 13, 2004

Feb. 13, 2004

Hey Devs, Just a note to say that Dillo 0.8 configured, compiled and installed flawlessly. Good work! Thanks, -- Gregg

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[Dillo-dev]about java script support
by Thierry Zhong Feb. 12, 2004

Feb. 12, 2004

Hi,all Does dillo support java script now? Or is there any work on this feature? Thanks and Best Regards! Thierry

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[Dillo-dev]dillo-0.8.0 release
by Jorge Arellano Cid Feb. 9, 2004

Feb. 9, 2004

Hi, Finally it's done. dillo-0.8.0 was released today! (Already submitted to freshmeat and expecting for display). Enjoy Jorge.-

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[Dillo-dev]dillo-0.8.0-rc1.tar.bz2
by Jorge Arellano Cid Feb. 9, 2004

Feb. 9, 2004

Hi, The new 0.8.0-rc1 tarball is ready for download! It is at: http://www.dillo.org/test/dillo-0.8.0-rc1.tar.bz2 Its version string is "0.8.0" instead of "0.8.0-rc1"; to ease the labor of packagers. Unless a problem is reported today, the release will be made tomorrow. Kelson, Phil: I'd wish I could have given you more time for making the packages, but I'm leaving the city tomorrow for a week off! :-) Enjoy Jorge.-

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[Dillo-dev]dillo 0.8.0-rc1 on aix
by Riccardo Feb. 8, 2004

Feb. 8, 2004

Hello, 0.8.0-rc1 still segfaults with an illegal instruction on AIX, I have done howewer a clean build from the tarball and logged the build process, maybe some of the warnings could be significative. Since it is quite small I just attach it here. -Ric

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[Dillo-dev]AIX problems
by Riccardo Feb. 8, 2004

Feb. 8, 2004

Hello, since upgrading to 1.2.10 did not help, I pathed manually every file including gtk.h by doing #undef func_data before. - I notice I get 'stcasecmp' implicit declaration warning. - the vsdnprintf was already reported and shouldn't be a matter. at the final linking inside "src" I get errors about duplicate symbols (.strcmp, strcmp, .pov) This time I got the WAIT_ANY error on aix too (I wonder why I didn't get it last time!, maybe because I am using gnu-make ?) and subsituted it with -1. Compile ends. As the last time dillo crashes with an illegal instruction and GDB doesn't return me a useful backtrace. I am quite clueless. Can I compile dillo with debug? -Ric

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[Dillo-dev]Last fixes to dpi...
by Jorge Arellano Cid Feb. 6, 2004

Feb. 6, 2004

Hi there! The last fixes to the dpi framework were just commited: <q> + Added install-dpi-local; a script to ease non-system-wide installation of the dpi framework. + Fixed dpid to work correctly with a dpi intallation inside the user's account. + Updated several docs with regard to dpi. </q> I'll chase a minor bug now... Hopefully tomorrow there'll be a dillo-0.8.0-rc1 tarball. Cheers Jorge.-

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[Dillo-dev]RPM question, and how close is 0.8.0?
by Kelson Vibber Feb. 5, 2004

Feb. 5, 2004

At 08:21 AM 2/3/2004, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote: > I'll start working on it after the 0.8.0 release. Any idea how soon that's coming? I've started making the necessary changes for the RPM spec based on the current CVS version. With luck I'll be able to start building as soon as the tarball is ready. I've posted some test RPMs at http://www.hyperborea.org/software/dillo/pre.html if anyone's interested. Question: I noticed that several of the included DPIs (https, ftp, download) require wget. However, the main browser does not require wget. That leads to several choices as far as RPM dependencies go: 1. Include all DPIs in the dillo package. Don't require wget. 2. Include all DPIs in the dillo package. Do require wget. 3. Separate the FTP, HTTPS, and download DPIs into a separate package (something like "dillo-protocols") and set that package to require wget. Advantages: #1: Simple installation, most linux distros probably already include wget #2: Simple installation, lets you know about wget if you haven't installed it already. #3: If you don't want wget, you're not forced to install it. If you want the plugin, you're told wget is needed. Problems: #1: If you don't have wget, installing won't tell you that you need it. #2: If you don't want to use those DPIs and you don't want wget, you need to install it anyway. #3: Installing is more complicated, because you have to download and upgrade two RPMs. I don't think #1 is really an option, because it means people can install dillo via RPM and not everything will work. I'm inclined to choose #2 over #3, just because of the simplicity. If someone just wants to install Dillo, they already have to look through a list of about 10 different RPMs for the right system, and sometimes people miss the one they need. I occasionally get requests to add an RPM for a system that's already on the list. On the other hand, some people might consider wget to be unnecessary if they're not going to be using those DPIs. Anyway, has anyone got any thoughts on this issue? Kelson Vibber www.hyperborea.org

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[Dillo-dev]Bookmarks shortcut
by Jorge Arellano Cid Feb. 3, 2004

Feb. 3, 2004

Hi, I was updating the help page for dillo, and when making a keyboard shortcuts table, just realized that Alt-B for bookmarks didn't belong anymore so I replaced it with the much more orthogonal Ctrl-B. Just visit the new help page to see. BTW, is anyone using the alternative ";" for bookmarks? I very seldom use it, but rely heavily on "." and ",". Cheers Jorge.-

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Re: https dpi
by Jorge Arellano Cid Feb. 3, 2004

Feb. 3, 2004

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003, Madis Janson wrote: > I read the https.c included in dillo/dpi and seams, that it just > gets url and and dumps html. Yes, it's basically a dpi filter plugin. > What about content-type, cookies and POST > requests? Since https is http over ssl, it seems natural to use dillo's > http protocol implementation for these things (like i did with my https > proxy for dillo), but is it possible with dpi? > > Also, there seems to be one process for one connection, which makes hard > to implement SSL session cache. Unfortunatelly I don't have definitive answers for these questions. There's more than one way to do it and the choice somewhat depends on what the underlying purpose of the bigger picture is. For instance: distributed design vs monolithic, quick implementation vs a more flexible one, low library dependencies vs linking dillo to a bigger set. Personally, I think that patching dillo with an integrated quick implementation of https (like Indan's) while we develop a more flexible dpi that provides at least the same, can be a good approach. I'll try to briefly comment your concerns: > Also, there seems to be one process for one connection, which makes hard > to implement SSL session cache. Yes, that happens with dpi filters. The idea in this case is to have an http dpi that's able to handle several connections at the same time (like the downloads dpi). That is: a dpi server instead of a dpi filter. With that scheme session cache is easy to implement. (and BTW much easier for the developer because he can arrange things much more freely than when patching inside dillo). > content-type (as above). The https dpi would need to listen the HTTP stream and so has access to the content-type sent by the remote https server. > Cookies Cookies will end being a dpi! Currently dillo enables cookies for the first instance only (this is old problem of sharing a single resource among several clients). Fortunately dpi solves this, as with the current bookmarks dpi server that can be shared by multiple running instances of dillo. When this port is done, the one-instance-only restriction for cookies will be gone. > POST POST data can be passed to the https dpi using dpip. This information is inside the DilloUrl. > Since https is http over ssl, it seems natural to use dillo's > http protocol implementation for these things (like i did with my https > proxy for dillo), but is it possible with dpi? Yes I agree with that reusing dillo's http may come handy. Now, dillo does http 1.0 only so having it done inside a dpi can also bring http 1.1 (as with wget and current https.c). The other interesting point is that the SSL/TLS library spec states that appart from making a socket secure, the details of handling the possible errors should be solved by the client application depending on the protocol and what it is being used for. So having a generic SSL/TLS gateway may look interesting but it can get tricky to implement. For intance: handshake_failure(40), bad_certificate(42), unsupported_certificate(43), certificate_revoked(44), certificate_expired(45), certificate_unknown(46), illegal_parameter(47), unknown_ca(48), are to be handled in different ways regarding what the protected protocol using SSL/TLS is, the transport circumstances and the user's choice. (ah, and all the alerts can have a "level" of fatal or not). With a gateway, having only the option of closing the connection is not enough. Question dialogs can be implemented in the gateway process itself though (a GUI inside the dpi), and you also have to take care of differentiating the protocols. With dpi, the questions and actions can be communicated to dillo with dpip or be made part of the dpi server. It provides more flexibility. Making SSL a part of IO, comes with the burden of having to develop all of this error handling knowledge inside the IO layer (making dillo grow in size and complexity). Including questions, actions a protocol differentiation. HTH Jorge.-

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[Dillo-dev]Looking inside the cache
by Jorge Arellano Cid Feb. 3, 2004

Feb. 3, 2004

Hi there! On Mon, 26 Jan 2004, Dylan Dawkins wrote: (it took some days, I'm pushing the next release...) > Its extremely fast and has a small footprint (very important). Yes. I ask because very often, appart from the speed, people mention: stability, simple&easy UI, clean code and that it works OK on low CPU/memory systems. > For my > patch I actually only use the urls that are currently held within the > history list already. So you're trying to find an URL in the cache... > But I can see how that trying to match what's in > the history list to what the user is typing could yield some small loss > of security (if anyone is peeking over the users shoulder). I thought you were to keep an archive with the visited URLs; clearly a privacy problem, but if it only scans what's on memory, it is not much different from what we have now (stack history). > The problem > being solved, is not having to type long urls out all the time. And I > suppose the bookmark idea solves that problem, except when the number of > bookmarks becomes large enough that typing the beginning of your url, is > quicker than looking for the specific bookmark. Looking inside the cache has several interfaces in browsers: * Tabs * Cache list (stack history back/fwd) * History list (full list of the cache) * Predictive URL input * Search dialogs Every one of them have good points and some weaker ones; I assume that's why there're so many mechanisms! :) Given the nature of Dillo, having them all is not a good idea. The point is to find a few that cleanly solve the problem (i.e: enough to solve the problem, and that integrate well with the UI model). I'm not quite sure of what should it be at the moment... For instance, a long time ago we thought with Eric that having a "linear history" menu was a good idea (all the visited URLs sorted by time of visit). That's why we have history.[ch]. It should pop up with the current one highlighted and a right click would make a new popup, this time filtered by the highlighted URL's host (all the visited URLs coming from that host). An interesting idea that has been waiting for a proper implementation. It has the plus of allowing access to the whole list of visited URLs, but may start to get clumsy as the URL list grows. At this point, I believe the best interface is a search dialog: Search cache: In Url : _______ In Title : _______ [Search] [Clear] [Cancel] It can be hooked to a right click menu on the (Web) Search icon. That would also allow to add other search URLs as dictionaries, packages or whatever, configurable from dillorc. One feature of the cache search would be to return the linear history when the input camps are empty. Maybe this interface, plus tabs (or page marks; think of tabs listed in a popup menu) is all we need. > > I wouldn't mind working on the https part of the browser. My skills are > mainly with C++,C embedded coding. I have good experience with the > security > Like SSL tunnels VPN rijndael support in VPN, elliptic curve > cryptography (just a hobby). I am a computer scientist and a Linux > devotee, that started using Linux fulltime from RedHat Linux 6.0. Great. After the release, I'll be preparing the basis of the https dpi server (as requested by Madis) so you both can work on it. By now you can study the downloads server to get the idea of how it all works (of course you'll need to read the dpi docs too). After you get enogh knowledge and are confident enough, you can start working with Madis on https or I can send you a grphical download plugin that needs polishing. > I have not worked with FLTK, but it looks like a good idea. After a testing a prototype GTK2 Dillo, and also after probing the GTK2 version of XFCE, I believe the best path is to abandon GTK2. There's an interesting thread in the list. FLTK would certainly come with a lot of porting work, but I believe there will be enough developers to do it! We're waiting for Sebastian's green light on it to start. He's the main author of Dw, so he's the person that knows best what it would take to port Dw to FLTK. > I have > subscribed already. What specifically is your role in this project? Founder, mantainer, lead developer, webmaster, ... :-) Cheers Jorge.

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[Dillo-dev]Searching dillo-dev
by Jorge Arellano Cid Feb. 2, 2004

Feb. 2, 2004

Hi, I just noticed that the old "search" link for dillo-dev stopped working so I made a new custom page to use GMANE's engine. Available from: http://www.dillo.org/MList.html specifically at: http://www.dillo.org/search-dillo-dev.html HTH Jorge.-

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[Dillo-dev]solaris 2.6 works
by Riccardo Feb. 2, 2004

Feb. 2, 2004

Hello, with the latest configure patches to correctly link, the solaris version of dillo finishes build and seems to work pretty as much as 0.7.3 did. The problems I currently encounter are: - color problems. I have 256 colors. If the colors are already reserved say from Netscape or another applicaiton, images (but only those) are displayed with mangled colors, they don't get remapped to the neares color available. If the full palette is available, images are dithered as expected. - authenticaiton problem with www.blender.org to the forums. I insert my data, login.. I get a page with a meta-refresh which should me login, Dillo gives me the link, I follow it and I result not logged in. The specs for "wait any" on solaris are the following: If pid is equal to (pid_t)-1, status is requested for any child process. I think so that a cast of -1 to the correct type wouldn't hurt. Riccardo PS: I try building and isntalling glib/gtk 1.2.10 instead of the current 1.2.9 on AIX. One never knows, it could help.

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[Dillo-dev]user agent and OS
by Riccardo Feb. 1, 2004

Feb. 1, 2004

Hello, I'd like to see dillo reporting the OS in the User-agent, this can be interesting for statistics (and a reason ov proudness for lesser-known platforms, heh). Like netscape on my sun box reports: User-Agent: Mozilla/4.79 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) while dillo only: User-Agent: Dillo/0.8.0-pre Since I write a small webserver with its log-analyzer I noticed this. Btw, some advertising... it is a small webserver, quite portable across unix and it weigths around 30k depending on the options and on the platform. It makes a nice match with dillo! With both you can have fun of the www on a 25Mhz computer again :) http://sourceforge.net/projects/pserv/ The matched log-analywer "p-reporter" reports dillo as a rocgnized web-browser :) -Ric

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[Dillo-dev]AIX : illegal instruction
by Riccardo Feb. 1, 2004

Feb. 1, 2004

Hello, I compiled dillo 0.80 Jan-30 tarball after having applied the patches by Andreas (namely undefining func_data before ever gtk.h include) % grep func_data * browser.h:#undef func_data dns.h:#undef func_data web.h:#undef func_data The compilation ends (although I saw some wanrings about vsnprintf implicitly declared... But startup fails, GDB gives me the following: (gdb) bt #0 0x0 in ?? () from /usr/local/build/dillo-0.8.0-pre/src/./dillo cheers, Riccardo

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Re: [Dillo-dev] building on AIX, gcc, dillo 0.7.3
by Jorge Arellano Cid Feb. 1, 2004

Feb. 1, 2004

On Sun, 1 Feb 2004, Riccardo wrote: > Jorge Arellano Cid wrote: > > > > > Some Solaris seem not to have it. :( > > I decided to replace WAIT_ANY with -1 as in dillo.c; commited. > > > > Please test it on aix and sparc. Use the Jan30 tarball and > > just replace WAIT_ANY with -1 in: > > > > dpi/downloads.c and > > dpid/dpid.c > Yes, I checked solaris doc and it says to use (pid_t)-1. > > Build stops howewer with: > gcc -I/usr/local/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/local/lib/glib/include -g -O2 > -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -Wall -W -Wno-unused-parameter > -Waggregate-return -R/usr/local/lib -L/usr/local/lib -R/usr/lib > -L/usr/lib -L/usr/local/lib -lposix4 -o dpid dpi.o dpi_service.o > dpi_socket_dir.o dpid.o dpid_common.o main.o misc_new.o -L/usr/local/lib > -lglib -lpthread > Undefined first referenced > symbol in file > socket dpid.o > accept main.o > bind dpid.o > listen dpid.o > connect dpid.o > ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to dpid > > > this alomst certainly means that -lsocket is not included (maybe -lnsl > too). I thought configure should take care of this? It usually does. I included a check for those. Please download: http://www.dillo.org/test/configure use it in Jan30 tarball and tell us how it goes. Cheers Jorge.- PS: Sorry Riccardo for the duplicated email, my mistake.

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Re: [Dillo-dev] building on AIX, gcc, dillo 0.7.3
by Jorge Arellano Cid Jan. 31, 2004

Jan. 31, 2004

On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Riccardo wrote: > > > > What could be the problem? > > > > A missing header! Fix is commited. > > Please test it and tell us how it works. > > > > -- > > To test, I had to use the CVS of course. I run autogen.sh and > > if gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. > -DDPIDRC_SYS='"/usr/local/etc/dpidrc"' -I/usr/local/include > -I/usr/local/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/local/lib/glib/include -g -O2 > -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -Wall -W -Wno-unused-parameter > -Waggregate-return -MT dpid.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/dpid.Tpo" \ > -c -o dpid.o `test -f 'dpid.c' || echo './'`dpid.c; \ > then mv ".deps/dpid.Tpo" ".deps/dpid.Po"; \ > else rm -f ".deps/dpid.Tpo"; exit 1; \ > fi > dpid.c: In function `handle_sigchld': > dpid.c:562: error: `WAIT_ANY' undeclared (first use in this function) > dpid.c:562: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > dpid.c:562: error: for each function it appears in.) > make[2]: *** [dpid.o] Error 1 Hmmm.... > Is there still something missing in cvs? WHy is it not there? Maybe > release me a new tarball so I can test it on both aix and sparc, or tell > me how to build cleanly from CVS. > Or WAIT_ANY is not declared on solaris? hmm :-) Some Solaris seem not to have it. :( I decided to replace WAIT_ANY with -1 as in dillo.c; commited. Please test it on aix and sparc. Use the Jan30 tarball and just replace WAIT_ANY with -1 in: dpi/downloads.c and dpid/dpid.c Cheers Jorge.- PS: there's no need to CC me. I'm on dillo-dev.

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Re: [Dillo-dev] building on AIX, gcc, dillo 0.7.3
by Jorge Arellano Cid Jan. 31, 2004

Jan. 31, 2004

On Sat, 31 Jan 2004, Peter Sinn wrote: > > Hi, > > first let me say that I have been using Dillo on my Sun Ultra 10 for > quite some time now and like it very much! Thanks for the comment Peter! > Am 31. January 2004 12:14 Uhr schrieb Jorge Arellano Cid: > > > There's no PF_LOCAL in the CVS tarball. Please try it. > > > > (http://www.dillo.org/test/dillo-0.8.0-pre.Jan30.tar.gz) > > > > dillo 7.3 compiles without problems on my machine, therefore I have > just tried to compile the new version. But unfortunately, with > dillo-0.8.0-pre.Jan30 I get the following compile error (gcc version > 3.3.2, SPARC/Solaris 9): > > if gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. > -DDPIDRC_SYS='"/usr/local/etc/dpidrc"' -I/usr/local/include > -I/usr/local/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/local/lib/glib/include -g -O2 > -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -Wall -W -Wno-unused-parameter > -Waggregate-return -MT dpid.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/dpid.Tpo" \ > -c -o dpid.o `test -f 'dpid.c' || echo './'`dpid.c; \ > then mv -f ".deps/dpid.Tpo" ".deps/dpid.Po"; \ > else rm -f ".deps/dpid.Tpo"; exit 1; \ > fi > dpid.c: In function `handle_sigchld': > dpid.c:561: error: `WAIT_ANY' undeclared (first use in this function) > dpid.c:561: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > dpid.c:561: error: for each function it appears in.) > make[2]: *** [dpid.o] Error 1 > > > What could be the problem? A missing header! Fix is commited. Please test it and tell us how it works. -- Ah, I also fixed the handling of the <P> element for the bug-meter. It fixes the problem of wrong messages like this one: "HTML warning: line 200, unexpected closing tag: </p>. -- expected </ol>" (now this part should be release-ready) -- Thanks for the quick feedback Jorge.- PS: There's no need to CC me.

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Re: [Dillo-dev] Automake and dynamic linking
by Jorge Arellano Cid Jan. 31, 2004

Jan. 31, 2004

Jorgen, Andreas, Riccardo, Matti, Bob (portability issues here): Hi, here is a brief covering the latest portability patches now in CVS. These are not final an certainly need testing, so lets try to get it straight. Issues: libpng, pthreads, proper linking, AF_LOCAL, libc5, PS2 libpng: ------ On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Jorgen Viksell wrote: > Hi! > > tis 2004-01-06 klockan 16.01 skrev Jorge Arellano Cid: > > [...] > > We can't rely on libpng-config because it would break support > > for older distros (for instance slackware 3.9), and there're > > plenty of dillo users with old distros on laptops. > > Fair enough. Using Debian unstable I tend to forget about those people > stuck with non-evolving distros. > > > The current png detection routine has come a long way to be > > able to detect the library on a wide range of SW/HW combinations. > > Maybe the best approach is to try libpng-config first, and when > > not present, try the older libs. > > I made it do so. Could you please try out the fallback code, using: > PNG_CONFIG=foobar ./configure > And if it still fails could you send me the config.log file. Sorry for taking a long time to answer, I got a lot of troubles installing an old libc5 distro (Slackware 3.6) for testing. These were unrelated to the distro and not worth to detail here! ;) The simple fallback-test passed on my slk current, but the old installation payed off quickly, because it failed on it. For instance: <q> checking for libpng-config... missing checking png.h usability... yes checking png.h presence... yes checking for png.h... yes checking libpng/png.h usability... yes checking libpng/png.h presence... yes checking for libpng/png.h... yes checking for png_check_sig in -lpng... no configure: WARNING: *** No libpng found. Disabling PNG images *** </q> Fixed, added "-lm" and a "&& break" to avoid the second header test when the first is present. The version in CVS works both with the current and libc5 distros. As for the image disabling, although I don't see much use for it, I left to avoid some work at this stage. The one thing I don't like is the #ifdef stuff. Well, if it's not worth it can be removed. pthreads: -------- I added the "pthreads" (with an 's') to the search list as Andreas suggested. Riccardo: please test if this works for you. I made a tarball so you don't need to play with autoconf/automake/autogen. URL: http://www.dillo.org/test/dillo-0.8.0-pre.Jan30.tar.gz Note: there's still some work to do with this one, read below. proper linking: -------------- Now the linked libraries are ok (the problem was that dpis and dpid got all of the libraries used by dillo linked in). ...except for pthread that is till present on dpi, dpis. AF_LOCAL: -------- After studying the history of the socket library development and socket.h for linux, BSD, HURD, etc, it seems that all these are (should be) the same: PF_UNIX : old BSD name for PF_LOCAL PF_LOCAL : POSIX for AF_LOCAL PF_FILE : seldom used POSIX for AF_UNIX AF_LOCAL : somewhat old but the most compatible. AF_UNIX : oldest. Fixed this for the whole tarball. It works on both of my testing environments. Should work for everyone. libc5: ----- Now it compiles cleanly with libc5. Except for a warning on a repeated symbol between libjpeg and autoconf. --innocuous though PS2: --- > [Bob wrote] > - my experience of recent cvs, compiled on the playstion2, (blackrhino > 2.2.21 kernel), apparently shows a disconcerting feature. After a few > minutes of scrolling up and down standard web-sites the whole system > will hang (eg it's unpingable, and doesn't respond to any keyboard > input), and needs a hard reset :-( > > Anyone else currently testing on the ps2 please (and hopefully had > better experiences, or a fix)?? I don't have a PS2, but when testing on libc5, there was a similar problem (crash after scrolling, or crash instants after starting) when _some_ of the libraries used by the X server where compiled reentrant and some others not. In fact I was upgrading slk3.6's with the ones at: http://www.linuxsavvy.com/resources/ and some links pointed to the old ones. Most probably these problems stem from an static errno. Another source can be a non reentrant gethostbyname. If dillo-0.7.3 work right on it, I'm puzzled. That's it. This CVS should work on the same platforms than before and with a few more. Please test and report. Best Jorge.- PS: Those that have had problems with 0.7.3, please test this CVS version, or tarball: URL: http://www.dillo.org/test/dillo-0.8.0-pre.Jan30.tar.gz PS2: Ah there's also a fix to include "dpidc". It fixes "make dist".

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Re: [Dillo-dev] building on AIX, gcc, dillo 0.7.3
by Riccardo Mottola Jan. 31, 2004

Jan. 31, 2004

on 1/28/04 5:58 PM, Andreas Schweitzer at Andreas.Schweitzer(a)hs.uni-hamburg.de wrote: >>> >>> and there I just found : >>> >>> http://aixpdslib.seas.ucla.edu/packages/gtk+.html >> Unfortunately, aix 4.2 is quite out of date (but my original rs/6000 is >> beginning to show its age too). > > I just checked. Back then on that machine I had/have : > > $ lslpp -l | egrep -i gtk > freeware.gtk+.rte 1.2.8.0 COMMITTED Gimp ToolKit GUI Library > freeware.gtk+.rte 1.2.8.0 COMMITTED Gimp ToolKit GUI Library > > So, I took it from one of these sites :-) > > Anyways, my hunch yesterday was right when I suspected a small patch > for AIX. I have a diff for AIX lying around which is attached. > The fix produced a result: in fact build stops this way now: gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/local/includ e/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/local/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/local/lib/glib/include -g -O2 -D_ REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -Wall -Waggregate-return -c `test -f 'dpi.c' || echo '. /'`dpi.c dpi.c: In function `Dpi_get_server_uds_name': dpi.c:497: `PF_LOCAL' undeclared (first use in this function) dpi.c:497: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once dpi.c:497: for each function it appears in.) dpi.c: In function `a_Dpi_bye_dpid': dpi.c:749: `PF_LOCAL' undeclared (first use in this function) gmake[1]: *** [dpi.o] Error 1

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ASK FOR HELP:"view source" and edit data to send.
by FUN TOES Jan. 30, 2004

Jan. 30, 2004

Some websites can't be visited by dillo.So I think of writing a patch to view the raw data(including header) from the server and send the raw data modified manually to the server. It is very easy to edit the data to send by modifying the function Http_send_query().But I do not know how to get the raw http data from the server.What is the function that I need read deeply? And I do not think IO_read()is a good selection.The function send raw data to html parse maybe a good selection.But I am a newbie,and I have difficuty in finding the correct function. Would you like help me find it?Appreciation for your help. -- ___________________________________________________ Check out the latest SMS services @ http://www.operamail.com, which allows you to send SMS through your mailbox. Powered by Outblaze

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building on AIX, gcc, dillo 0.7.3
by Riccardo Jan. 27, 2004

Jan. 27, 2004

Hwllo, I sent a private message, of which a reply was CC to this list AFAIK, about building dillo on my AIX system. The problem are threads. Pth can't be used and so I need the system's native threads. A solution was offered me but another email asked for more information, so I report first this information here before trying blindly. configure reports: checking target system type... rs6000-ibm-aix4.2.1.0 as far the system concerns. The error during configure is: checking whether threads work with -pthread... no. Now we will try some libraries. checking for library containing pthread_create... no configure: WARNING: *** No pthreads found. *** gcc -v yields: Reading specs from /usr/local/lib/gcc-lib/rs6000-ibm-aix4.2.1.0/2.95.3/specs gcc version 2.95.3 20010315 (release) while lslpp -l | egrep -i 'thread|xlc|gcc' bos.rte.libpthreads 4.2.1.0 COMMITTED pthreads Library xlC.cpp 3.1.4.0 COMMITTED C for AIX Preprocessor xlC.rte 3.1.4.0 COMMITTED C Set ++ for AIX Application greets, Ric

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[Dillo-dev]Buggy HTML, the new parser and webmasters
by Andreas Schweitzer Jan. 27, 2004

Jan. 27, 2004

Hi all, First : my apologees for a rather large mail ! Now, that the bug counter is in dillo, and with Madis' last post, it's a good coincidence that I just tried to convince webmasters of 3 sites I usually visit to fix their HTML. From 2 I haven't heard a thing (and they are not even THAT huge), but from www.osnews.com I got a reply very fast - and it turned out to be an extremely interesting conversation. I asked her for permission to forward it to the list, and here it goes. I sorted it chronolically, with some comments of mine in between. I omitted my first mail - it was just the HTML warnings of the new parser along with a kind request to fix the page. WARNING, BIG REMINDER : Don't flame her - it's not about this individual site, it's about general practice and the general attitude towards standards ... After all, the e-mail conversation started in privat and she didn't have in mind that a lot of people would read it. And I think she deserves credit for taking her time and lay out her arguments and explaining everything in a very friendly manner. On Sat, Jan 24, 2004 at 06:36:27PM -0800, Eugenia Loli-Queru wrote: > Hello Andreas, > thanks for the heads up. > I looked at the error messages, and I know what is wrong. Please note that > all forms and tables ARE closing in the code, it is just that your parser is > not realizing it. > You see, I start the form inside a table's cell, but I close the form > outside the table. This is not 100% valid code, but it is like that for a > reason. This is causing your parser to spit all these errors (all the errors > below the form error are just a side effect of the first error). > So, the reason I close the form outside that table is because I am trying to > go around bugs on Netscape 4 and IE. As you can see, the cell that holds the > form has a black background color. If I close the form inside that cell, IE > and NS4 create a new paragraph inside that cell, even if my code never asked > for it. And that looks ugly. Up to here, you could argue a lot about how to design a web page, to not wanting to dictate how the page looks and leave it to the browser, to us CSS and whatnot. With enough arguing one could even convince this very author to change (not likely though, see below). BUT : the interesting part comes now : > So, the "trick" that many web developers of my time use a lot (see: > hand-written HTML), is to close the </FORM> outside of tables or places > where it screws up the design. It is a well-known trick, and so your new > parser is going to meet it a number of times in the future. I suggest you The above is frightening .... > fix your parser to understand "non-normal" code like that, and realize that > the form does close as expected. Of course, for us that's not fixing but breaking ;-) .... Here is now my reply (rather long, and you will know the arguments if you follow the lamiling list) : > Hi Eugenia, > > Thanks for the reply and explanation. > First of all : I am not a core developer of that browser - just > a steady user and occasional contributor. > > However, if this mail came from one of the developers or if I told > them to follow your advice, you would either be ignored or flamed ;-) ... > I will try to do neither. So please do keep in mind that my response > is meant as a friendly food for thought or possibly some constructive > criticism. > > Discussions about fixing broken HTML do come up on the mailing list > from time to time. And the consent is to just not do it - for a number > of reasons (I probably will forget some). > - what good are standards if nobody conforms to them, and instead an > own (not very strict !) psuedo-standard develops ? > - It's not a browser's job to guess what the author wanted to have displayed. > - It costs man-power and CPU cycles to detect and fix broken HTML. > We prefer to spend the man-power on developing something useful instead > of broekn HTML-detection code. And we prefer to give the CPU cycles > to the user (BTW, dillo is the snappiest grafic browser I know - maybe Links2) > > All right, but we already detect the problem of your page, you may say :-) .. > and indeed, the *old* parser was closing out of order. In fact, I could > configure dillo to still use the old parser and your page will look great. > BUT : then other pages break :-( - they have buggy HTML, too. And there, > closing tags with the new method is better then with the old method. > So, in chosing which parser to use, the default is the standards complying > method of interpreting HTML (also, the old parser was buggy and not quite > right). Oh - and if we care about the web sites we also tell/told the > authors if these other pages that they have buggy code ! > Now, why then are Mozilla or the other browsers displaying all correctly ? > Probably because they did spend man-power and CPU-cycles to guess what the > author wanted. > I had to smile when you wrote, "Fix your parser to understand non-normal HTML", > because I thought, "That's not fixing it, that's breaking it". > > When I design web pages, I usually make them pass (if possible) > validator.w3.org and if they look ugly in ancient - and buggy ! - browsers, > bad luck ! I realize, my pages are nothing professional like your site, > but still, is it worth to support buggy broswers ? How many visitors > are actually using Netscape 4 ? Probably more than dillo, but the comparison > should be non-buggy vs. buggy browsers. About IE - are all versions > of IE bahving like this ? Then my argument would be, why support MS's > interpretation of standards ? (and outside of HTML you probably will > agrre ;-) ... after all, don't we all know lots of alternatives and fight > for them ?) You as a professional web site probably do have to support > buggy broswers, but the question still may be asked. > > Finally, some links to archived previous discussions : > http://news.gmane.org/group/gmane.comp.web.dillo.devel/thread=1324/force_lo… > (if you don't want to read all of it, read at least Eric Gaudet's posts) > And here is the explanation of the new parser : > http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.dillo.devel/1434 > > By now, you know that the other problematic site was slashdot ;-) ... > (among others !) which displays ok with the current parser - but also is > buggy HTML - and they know it ! > > And before I forget : Yes, I saw a lot of pages that look quite ugly > with the strict interpretation. And I also only tell the webmasters > of pages for which I care :-) > > And as a really last word : the new parser may indeed have room for > improvement, and some more closing may indeed be possible as a compromise, > BUT, as I said, I'm not a core developer. > > As I said in the beginning, this was meant as food for thought, not flaming. > If you should decide to change HTML after all, that would be fantastic. If > not, hopefully I at least did explain myself well. > > Cheers > Andreas And here is her 2nd answer: > Thank you for the email Andreas, > however, I must say that the code in that form won't change. IE has more > than 70,000 viewers daily on osnews, and Dillo has about 20. So, as you can > understand, being compatible with the broken IE is more important to us, > even if that means that we have to not be validated. In fact, not being > validated, it is a given for big sites, because in order to give a > specific/certain look, you have to do tricks like the one I described to you > in order to render the same on all big browsers. Now you could, of course, go and say "screw this site" .... but the following is at least ineresting food for thought. I don't fully agree, but I can understand the point of view. > Also, please put in mind: my husband is in the browser business. He is a web > browser developer for OpenWave.com among his team. They don't have the > specific problem of out-of-order-tag-closing because they know that many > sites are like that, so they have to go around this problem, OR they won't > be able to sell their browser to anyone. > > This is a market. Even for the free Dillo. Dillo's job is not create the > most "correct" parser in the world, but to render most sites in the world. > If the first was true, then Dillo is nothing but an "Amaya", a test, a proof > of concept. But if the second is true, then Dillo is really a usable by > people browser. > > So, depends what its developers want. If they want a proof of concept, no > problem with me, osnews and most other sites won't work. If they want a > browser that works for most people, they need to sit down and go around > buggy HTML (created by either amateur developers or from developers that > they had to go around bugs). For example, IE even goes around this bug <a/> > and understands that the developer wanted to write </a> instead. Big > browsers do such error checking and go around buggy HTML, because it is the > only way they can be widely used. In my case of course, it was me that I had > to go around their bugs. > > So, it all depends what the Dillo people want. It is not what I, or you, > want, but what their real targets are: proof of concept project or a real > USABLE browser. > > If that was me, it would have being the second. And it ain't my fault that > IE has these bugs that I have to go around, it is my job to make sure my > page renders well for most of my readers. :) > > Rgds, > Eugenia > > --- > Editor in Chief > http://www.OSNews.com When I asked her for permission to forward her mails to the list she added another intersting quote : On Sun, Jan 25, 2004 at 08:53:17PM -0800, Eugenia Loli-Queru wrote: > You can go ahead and quote some of the stuff I said. > BTW, I discussed the matter with my husband (who as I said is in the browser > business) and he told me: > > "Creating an HTML browser and a Web browser are two different things. The > first one just needs to do the job right and parse HTML correctly, the other > one just has to be able to render web pages in any possible mean. These are > two different beasts and targets --unfortunately." > > I am afraid this is the reality of any product though, not just browsers... > Reality market... :( > > Eugenia > Bottom line : it may be possible to convince individual sites to fix their HTML, but what about really big sites that use these ... err ... "workarounds" ? Do they really care how a little browser interprets their HTML ? They care if HTML looks good in IE - reality sucks. It's extremely frustrating. And even more so, when I have to look at garbeled pages ;-) .... The situation may improve over time when more and more sites use CSS and don't have to rely on such dirty formating tricks - but then again, how many bugs has IE there, that authors want/will work around ? And to repeat my reminder : Don't flame her - it's not about this individual site, it's about general practice and the general attitude towards standards ... And again I think she deserves credit for taking her time and lay out her arguments and explaining everything in a very friendly manner. Cheers, Andreas -- **************************** NEW ADDRESS ****************************** Hamburger Sternwarte Universitaet Hamburg Gojenbergsweg 112 Tel. ++49 40 42891 4016 D-21029 Hamburg, Germany Fax. ++49 40 42891 4198

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worried about dillo (cathedral and bazaar)
by linux seaq Jan. 27, 2004

Jan. 27, 2004

Hi, i want to express my gratitude with the dillo developers, this is a really nice product, i use it everyday. I use mozilla only for banking, hotmail and flash sites. I'm only a user i'm not a developer, so my point of view is mainly from an user's perspective. Since dillo's win32 fork and previous discussion, it was clear to me that dillo development was, in some way, closed. That odd feeling was confirmed by the "memo" sent by main developers about patches and additions to dillo. Since that mail, all the "foreign" contributors stopped to share their improvements to dillo project.Or it seems to me at this time (PLEASE PROVE ME WRONG) That's really sad 'cause what i'm seeing right now is some kind of slowness on the development of dillo, and somehow is getting behind in needed functionality (frames,https,downloads,images, a lot of stuff out there). - from an user point of view - I recently re-read the cathedral and bazar paper, and thought to my self that dillo was heading in another direction. It seems to me that there's no intention to receive help from others, or get into account other's contributions. I believed that the main force behind a project weren't its main developers but its users and contributors. That mix made projects grow and grow. And dillo rejected that "magical" force. I'm just writing these thoughts, because as i said, i'm worried about dillo. I can't even imagine how painful would be to surf the web without it. Please everyone who loves dillo, do something so this nice project can grow without restrictions. Please don't get me wrong i don't want to start a trial, i just want dillo to evolve and get better everyday, with everyone help. Regards, Andres

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small politically incorrect html parser patch
by Madis Janson Jan. 27, 2004

Jan. 27, 2004

when you want to use dillo for browsing instead of html test tool, then this little patch is useful for many stupid webs, which randomly close or not close font tags whenever happens and whereever happens... diff -pru -x CVS -x configure -x 'aclocal*' -x 'Makefile*' -x config.h.in dillo-tab/src/html.c dillo/src/html.c --- dillo-tab/src/html.c 2004-01-25 04:37:21.000000000 +0200 +++ dillo/src/html.c 2004-01-27 04:27:18.000000000 +0200 @@ -4280,7 +4372,7 @@ static const TagInfo Tags[] = { {"dt", 'O', Html_tag_open_dt, Html_tag_close_par}, {"em", 'R', Html_tag_open_em, Html_tag_close_default}, /* fieldset */ - {"font", 'R', Html_tag_open_font, Html_tag_close_default}, + {"font", 'O', Html_tag_open_font, Html_tag_close_default}, {"form", 'R', Html_tag_open_form, Html_tag_close_form}, {"frame", 'F', Html_tag_open_frame, Html_tag_close_nop}, {"frameset", 'R', Html_tag_open_frameset, Html_tag_close_default}, It makes a bit less likely, that the font tags screw up every other one (like tables and forms)...

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Dillo cookies
by pete Jan. 27, 2004

Jan. 27, 2004

I am getting this error with Dillo 0.8.0: [pete@happy:.dillo, 07:25 PM, Mon Jan 26]> dillo dillo_dns_init: Here we go! The cookies file has a file lock: disabling cookies in this dillo! Nav_open_url: Url=>about:splash< How do I go about 'unlocking' this file? It was working initially with 0.7.3 Thanks, -- Pete http://milneweb.com http://nomorevirus.com

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An odd request, I know...
by Tom Barnes-Lawrence Jan. 26, 2004

Jan. 26, 2004

Hi, Firstly, I'd like to say I've been using Dillo for over 2 years now, and find it fantastic. Well, apart from a few little details (which I'll probably post to the list in a couple of days, when I'm less busy). So anyways, very well done for this piece of software! Now, my strange request: I'm currently writing a bunch of m4 macros to (statically) generate my personal website. Unfortunately, after ages of trying to come up with a decent layout that rendered properly in various browsers, I came up with pretty much nothing. But I kept seeing, every time I started Dillo, the tidy little splash screen... ...So basically, would Jorge (or whoever is responsible for that) mind if I effectively copied the HTML? I wouldn't bother to ask, as I'm just getting my macros to churn out the tags, rather than copying anybody's *content*, but I thought that might be covered by copyright anyway- in which case, I'm being extra cautious before sticking anything up on my site. Thanks in advance, Tom Barnes-Lawrence

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my.yahoo.com
by pete Jan. 26, 2004

Jan. 26, 2004

Hi all, I am now running the CVS version of Dillo. I am seeming to have a lot of lockups with it. Now I know this is common with CVS but is this something that should be mentioned here? Just wondering what is the proper thing to do. Another, I am still trying to access my yahoo with it but still not possible. Am I missing something that I need to do or is this just typical for Yahoo? -- Pete http://milneweb.com http://nomorevirus.com

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