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Re: [Dillo-dev]Can't start dpid
by Barry Kauler April 22, 2004

April 22, 2004

Ok, I've joined the dillo-dev list! On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 08:13:17 -0400 (CLT) Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org> wrote: > > I should also explain that I have my own distro, Puppy Linux, > > and everything is compiled against uClibc, not glibc. > > (www.goosee.com/puppy) > > Oh, it would be interesting to have Dillo running under uClibc! Dillo has been in Puppy right from the start (which was about one year ago). A few months ago I changed over to uClibc and recompiled everything, including Dillo, and all was well until I upgraded to Dillo v0.8.0. > Check if you can run them crom the CLI: > > cd /usr/local/lib/dillo/dpi/hello > ./hello.filter.dpi I'm doing this as root. When I try this I get: hello.dpi:: starting... and that's it, nothing more, doesn't exit until I ctrl-c. No error message. ...what is it supposed to do? Regards, Barry Kauler

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[Dillo-dev]Re: [Fink-devel] [Dillo] FONTS
by Joe Corneli April 22, 2004

April 22, 2004

Thanks. I'm somewhat amazed that the Dillo people didn't catch that. >> My ~/.dillo/.dillorc Note that the file should be named ~/.dillo/dillorc (leave the second dot). I do think it would be nice to support a .dillorc too, for people who, like me, automatically type the `.'.

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Re: [Dillo-dev]About proxy authorization && password storing
by Jorge Arellano Cid April 21, 2004

April 21, 2004

On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, Ivan Daniluk wrote: > Hi Jorge. Hi! > > > Maybe, we should open popup dialogue and ask user for > > > login/password? > > > > The login may be specified in dillorc, and the password asked > > in a popup dialog (whenever there's a login in dillorc :). > > > > This adds the burden of entering the password, but keeps things > > a bit more private. > I've implement this burden :), but stuck in a problem and need advice > and/or suggestion from you. > First, look to the attached current patch for stable dillo 0.8.0 > release. Oh, I haven't yet. Anyway, here's the answer. > Main problem for me is the way to stopping the query, waiting > until password will be entered or canceled, and resuming it. > When we call a_Interface_proxy_passwd_dialog(), the dialog window pops > up, and query goes forward, without being formed with proxy password. > So, I see two ways: > 1) to stop the query forming(in Http_get() function) and wait, while > proxy_passwd_dialog_window will be destroyed. > 2) to abort the query, and recall it when password will be entered. > > I'm a newbie in gtk programming, and can't figure out how to graceful > open dialog window and wait until it'll be closed. If it's possible, > than imho it's the best way. > About second choice.. There are complexity for me in a_Http_ccc stuff. > Sure, I'll win this problem, but it will take more time. And really > want to hear your thoughts about it. Use the third alternative! :-) AFAIS the simplest way to to it is to ask for the proxy password when dillo starts, that is, before any query is made, probably after the splash screen is displayed. That way, things would reach the same simplicity as in the first patch! > One more question around it. > Password dialog window is activating in case if there is option > "http_proxyuser" in config, but not when http query gets "Cache Access > Denied" error. > Is this way ok? AFAIU, yes. The proxy login/password pair is one thing, and HTTP's simple authentication mechanism (section 11) is another. It may happen that you reach a realm/password protected page through a login/password authenticated proxy. Now, if after this patch, you want to keep on working on basic authentication, be sure to contact Madis (AFAIR he once worked on it), and I can make the CCC bindings to stop/resume/forward the querying process. > And, the last note on patch. It's about following lines in IO/http.c: > + if ( strchr(prefs.http_proxyuser, ':') ) > + { > + DEBUG_MSG(5, "Storing proxy password in dillorc is insecure!\n"); > + ask_proxy_passwd = FALSE; > + HTTP_Proxy_Auth_base64 = a_Misc_encode_base64(prefs.http_proxyuser); > + } > It allows user to store in config file not only proxy user name, but > pair "user:password" as well. I've done it's mainly for convenience, > but of cource we can remove it from patch. Hmmm, this is one I'm not yet sure of. On one hand, it is very handy not to have to enter the password every time, and on the other, stealing the proxy's password becomes quite simple (for instance, a bathroom break and it's gone! ;). [minutes thinking...] It's not a thing I'd recommend. Now, as Dillo project is explicitly concerned about security, it can't do otherwise. Perhaps you may leave that portion of code commented out, so the responsibility is left to the one that decides to enable it. I'd like to hear comments about this. Specially from sysadmins. > Your suggestion for me are welcome. Thanks. Cheers Jorge.-

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[Dillo-dev]fonts
by Joe Corneli April 20, 2004

April 20, 2004

My ~/.dillo/.dillorc contains # Fontname for variable width rendering (most of the text). # - some fonts may slow down rendering, some others not! # - try to tune a fontname/font_factor combination. # Ex. {helvetica, lucida, times, "new century schoolbook", utopia, ...} vw_fontname=utopia # Fontname for fixed width rendering (mainly <pre> quoted text) fw_fontname=courier # All fontsizes are scaled by this value (default is 1.0) font_factor=3.0 The font that is actually used appears to be the same as the default. Can you please suggest how to debug this or how to actually change the font? I'm running OS X, using Dillo 0.8.0 from Fink. Joe

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[Dillo-dev]Who posted BUG#544?
by Jorge Arellano Cid April 20, 2004

April 20, 2004

Hi, I wonder who posted this report: BUG# 544 Impact: feature fault At : run time Type : other Comments: I love the html bug detector but I can't copy the data from it! This greatly reduces it's strength... my students are using dillo almost everyday now in a web dev class.. HTReproduce: get a buggy html site/ click on ck html / try to copy the errors WorkedBy: nobody Obviously doing Copy&Paste from the error window solves the problem. It's be very interesting for us to know where and how is dillo used in a web dev class. Cheers Jorge.-

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[Dillo-dev]BAD HTML and Good Webmasters
by Jorge Arellano Cid April 20, 2004

April 20, 2004

Hi there, These days have brought several good surprises with regard to HTML and good webmasters. For instace, from the sites that appear in our splash screen: The Register: switched to XML! (no BUGS) Slashdot : they're fixing the HTML (some old detected bugs don't show anymore) Monster news: In the process of fixing. Dillo's site: Fixed! (Yes, the new parser catched hidden bugs) also, sourceforge.net and newsforge.com look better with the new parser (not a merit of the sites, but a good new anyway). To finish this report, and with a view to exemplify what you should expect from a good webmaster, I'd like to forward a couple of emails I had with the webmaster of www.fluxagent.org: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 21:50:12 +0200 From: Markus Kroetzsch <Markus.Kroetzsch(a)inf.tu-dresden.de> To: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org> Subject: Re: www.fluxagent.org and Dillo Dear Jorge, thank you for your answer. Setting the area > tag fixes the problem, even on my old Dillo 0.7.2. The webpages will be updated shortly to reflect this insight. When viewing the uncorrected page sources with Mozilla, the missing ">" actually shows up automagically, which might be the reason why nobody noticed so far (the pages are auto-generated by a script, so there is just one place where ">" is missing...). Best regards Markus > Hi, > > Sometime ago someone filled the following bug record with > regard to www.fluxagent.org: > > BUG#478 > Impact : soft error > At : run time > Type : misbehaviour > Comments: Images used for navigation within a table (each equiped > with some polygon-area mouse-<map>) do not always (but sometimes) > actually work as links. Maybe related to bug 317? > - PS: Great project! - > HTReproduce: Go to www.fluxagent.org (valid html4.01). Check the > navbar: only the first link works, no matter which sub-page is > viewed. > WorkedBy : nobody > > I tried to get the webmaster's email address from: > > http://www.fluxagent.org/emails.htm > > but it didn't show for Matthias Fichtner, so I write to you. > > > The problem is that for some reason I don't yet know of, SGML > allows for omitting the '>' closing tag character for the <area> > element. > > If you check the page with W3C, it validates, but if you do > with the WDG validator, then it shows: > > http://www.htmlhelp.org/cgi-bin/validate.cgi? > url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fluxagent.org&warnings=yes > > The easiest solution is to add the missing '>' for each <area> tag. > > > Hope this helps > Jorge.- > http://www.dillo.org ------- End of Forwarded message -------- Cheers Jorge.-

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[Dillo-dev]Bookmarks, Tabs
by Tom Barnes-Lawrence April 18, 2004

April 18, 2004

Hi all, I've got 2 questions to ask: 1)- I was on the list back in January, and amongst other things, I mentioned that I'd consider it a huge improvement if the bookmarks DPI were made to allow for a nested hierarchy of sections. Jorge and Thorben pointed out that it wasn't a priority at the time, and that I should write it myself if I wanted it. Unfortunately, I too had things to be doing back then, but about a month ago, I set about doing some work on such a thing. -It is written in Perl, rather than C; it seemed a good choice due to all the text manipulation, etc. This might be considered a problem if Dillo is being used on platforms where Perl isn't (readily) available, but AFAICT the Windows version of Dillo is a purely 3rd party thing that isn't directly supported by the project, and Perl for Windows does *exist*... I don't know if there'd be any other issues with this decision though. -I moved much of the Dillo-DPI specific stuff into a separate file, hoping to make it a Perl Module, but I know nothing about how that works (and I can't get the Camel book ATM because I'm broke) and couldn't understand the relevant man page, so I don't think it turned out how modules are supposed to. I mention this because it could maybe end up useable by any other Perl-based DPIs that get written. -It currently uses the "ngbm" DPI name (for "Next Generation BookMarks"), and uses ngbm.txt for the bookmarks file, to avoid breaking the existing bookmarks program. That's because it's not ready yet. -It *does* implement the nested sections stuff I wanted that the current bm dpi doesn't, with a file format that's backwards compatible with the current one- so you can get it to read your existing bm.txt file. -BUT I only worked on it for about a day, and much of that was spent trying to figure out how it was supposed to communicate, so it still doesn't have much of the important functionality, such as actually adding or modifying any bookmarks or sections. Also, as I was hacking away a lot to try to get it to work at all, there's a lot of commented-out debug stuff, and much of the notes and comments are probably wrong now (I don't think I fixed them whilst I was changing the code and the design). I didn't want to go quietly working away at it for ages and then find that actually someone else was quietly working away at the same thing, for example (also the DPI handling stuff got incredibly frustrating, which put me off doing any more for a while). Unfortunately, I kept forgetting to do *anything else* about it because I had other things to think about :P SO: Would this be of any interest to the project in whatever way? I figure I could (a) post the existing code, get a bit of feedback and then do some more work on it, or (b) give the code to the project and let someone else take it over from me. (or (c) I could just keep it to myself...) 2)-Since my high-res monitor blew up in December, I installed Frank's tabs+ frames patch, and I find it helps enormously- I don't think I could manage without it now. Unfortunately, AFAICT Frank has either left the project or gone on holiday or something (though I can't find any explanation anywhere), and the latest version on his site (which I'm using) only works with an old CVS version from November, so I'm still having to put up with the bugs that have been fixed in 0.8. Gah! I saw after 0.8 was released, someone on the list said he'd try to take on the tabs/frames patch in some way, but I didn't hear anything more about it. Is there *any* news on this whatsoever? I'd really like to be able to upgrade. Thanks in advance, Tom Barnes-Lawrence -- Signature? I have no need of signatures

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[Dillo-dev]HTML Policy and New parser improvements
by Jorge Arellano Cid April 16, 2004

April 16, 2004

Hi there, Most of us are familiarized with the aforism about our HTML parsing policy stated in the [Project Notes]: "Our policy with HTML is not to try to render badly written HTML, ideally send a warning message, and not to crash!" Here goes the rationale behind it. I wrote it sometime ago as an email answer, and here I quote an improved version: <q> About our parsing policy ------------------------ These days I have thought a lot about this subject. In fact an important part of the work of a project maintainer is indeed to make a stance on the difficult decisions; those that are not white or black, but a trade off. With regard to our parsing policy, imagine a triangle with the following vertices: * Standards (W3C) * Web site authors * Users Each vertex represents the exact position of its naming group. The inside area, the whole space of stances anyone could take. Each group has its own interests, sometimes opposed and sometimes very near. The position of a web browser can be visualized as a point within the area of that triangle determined by its development team. Dillo should have to be in the vertex of the W3C, but that would make it almost useless because of the horrible state of the HTML in the Web (aka. "Tag Soup"). For that reason we make some exceptions so that dillo can render a larger set of the web, by correcting some HTML faults, but we keep close to the W3C vertex. An standards compatible browser, as Mozilla, should be close to the W3C, but I understand it would never manage to be a canditate to replace IE if it did (a trade off). Actually it locates alongside the authors-users side AFAIU. As our main objective is the democratization of the access to the internet's information, and that has direct relation with the use of standards, we follow the path of respecting and promoting them. The idea of adding an HTML quality meter to the interface, in the form of a face icon and the number of detected errors, surges as a good idea to improve dillo as a QA tool for content authors. I've also thought of adding a "combat mode rendering" button. That is a way of parsing the worst sites into a basic an simple rendering. That way, users would be one click away from being able to "see" pages with awful HTML. These two ideas would help dillo to keep close to the correct vertex of the triangle, while also becoming a tool to help web authors to provide more standards compliant content. </q> After the new parser was introduced (0.8.0), Dillo featured much better HTML error detection, but it rendered malformed HTML a bit worst. It was a good trade off from the "standards" vertex of the above mentioned triangle, but I also knew that it was not going to be that much amusing for the "users" vertex. These days I've been working on improving the parser and bug-meter by introducing information about the inline, block and flow content models of HTML. After having that information in place, it was easy to produce better and more accurate bug detection and also to improve the rendering more towards what it used to be. So that's the good news: the new CVS contains code with an improved parser that hopefully will be a glad surprise for our users. From the Changelog: * Added container|inline model information to the HTML element table, and made the bug-meter and the parser aware of it. This both improves bug detection and rendering. * Fixed newly detected HTML bugs in bookmarks dpi and file.c. * Fixed opening files with a ':' character in its name (again). * Added binaryconst.h (allows for binary constants in C). * Fixed The ladder effect with lists (BUG#534). So go ahead and try it! Cheers Jorge.-

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[Dillo-dev]what's the use of "EndTag" component of struct TagInfo?
by Lei Jin April 15, 2004

April 15, 2004

Its value can be "O" "F" "R", so what do they mean? AND Why use them? --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? 惠普TT游戏剧，玩游戏，中大奖！

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[Dillo-dev]Re: bug in dillo.0.8 rendering
by Jorge Arellano Cid April 15, 2004

April 15, 2004

On Sun, 11 Apr 2004, Brett E. Wynkoop wrote: > > Greeting- Hi. > just built it on FreeBSD 4.6.2. Great job on getting https > going using wget! Thanks. Now we're moving to a library-based one. > I found a bug in the handeling of both <ul> and > <ol> sections of pages. Use dillo to go to http://zaurus.wynn.com/ > and also http://zaurus.wynn.com/tricks/. > Note the staircase effect on the list items and that in the > <ol> section everything is numero uno! Thanks a lot for the report. It also shows on some manuals (as for xfig). I went chasing the bug and solved it in my source tree, I'm studying it further trying to find a more generic way to handle it. I'll let you know when it goes to the CVS. > Building on FreeBSD required hand tweeking of the make file. > In spite my telling configure that the libraries & headers it was > looking for were under /usr/local it could not find them and generated > make files without the correct information. I still have to play > with it a bit more to see if I can set something up to allow configure > to do the right thing. If I get it I will send it to you. Weird, we tested FreeBSD before the release. Please tell us what you find. Cheers Jorge.-

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[Dillo-dev]international encodings
by honza m. April 15, 2004

April 15, 2004

hi, first of all, some words of praise: i -love- dillo :e) fast, small, doesn't repair html, has no javascript ... it's just great. biiig thanks to all developers :e) anyway, i know there is a problem with non iso-8859-1 encodings, and i'd like to help fixing it. but i've found that bug in the bugtracker in "being worked on" and also in "not being worked on" bugs, so i know nothing. and the mailing list search engine is so chaotic that i was unable to find relevant posts. so please some one tell me what's the status of this issue, or what are the main problems, or something which would help me help you ;e) thanks m. -- matejcik, the one who is not --- ..: imagine a thousand million minds ..: imagine them all become one ..: imagine the overmindNet

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[Dillo-dev]A button theme for Dillo 0.8.0
by Geek April 12, 2004

April 12, 2004

While I was stuck with no internet, I made a theme for Dillo I call "cobalt". Enjoy! -- Gregg t3h g33k http://geek.scorpiorising.ca

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Re: [Dillo-dev]Can't start dpid
by Barry Kauler April 12, 2004

April 12, 2004

Ok, I've joined the dillo-dev list! On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 08:13:17 -0400 (CLT) Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org> wrote: > > I should also explain that I have my own distro, Puppy Linux, > > and everything is compiled against uClibc, not glibc. > > (www.goosee.com/puppy) > > Oh, it would be interesting to have Dillo running under uClibc! Dillo has been in Puppy right from the start (which was about one year ago). A few months ago I changed over to uClibc and recompiled everything, including Dillo, and all was well until I upgraded to Dillo v0.8.0. > Check if you can run them crom the CLI: > > cd /usr/local/lib/dillo/dpi/hello > ./hello.filter.dpi I'm doing this as root. When I try this I get: hello.dpi:: starting... and that's it, nothing more, doesn't exit until I ctrl-c. No error message. ...what is it supposed to do? Regards, Barry Kauler

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Re: [Dillo-dev]Can't start dpid
by Barry Kauler April 10, 2004

April 10, 2004

Ok, for those reading this thread for the first time, the problem is dpid won't start in my custom Puppy Linux distro. Maybe I've found the solution? I have a build environment, but then I run a script to create the Puppy filesystem, which copies files from the build environment. It copies dillo, dpid, dpidc into /usr/local/bin, all of the stuff in /usr/local/lib/dillo gets copied across, however, the script doesn't copy dpidrc and dillorc from /usr/local/etc, as in Puppy all of /usr is read-only. Instead, I have placed dpidrc and dillorc into ~/.dillo, except that this seems to have not been upgraded. I'm running Puppy right now and what I see in ~/.dillo are the files .073 cookiesrc dillorc So, is this my problem? I just checked the dates on those files, and they are from the old 0.7.3 version. It does seem that my oversight is to blame here! One question though, is there any problem with continuing to use the old dillorc? I ask this as when people upgrade to the latest Puppy they may have modified dillorc and I don't want to just overwrite their dillorc file. Looks like Puppy and Dillo are back in business! Puppy v0.8.5 should be out soon, like maybe another week. Regards, Barry Kauler On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 00:56:07 -0600 Barry Kauler <bkauler(a)goosee.com> wrote: > Ok, I've joined the dillo-dev list! > > On Fri, 9 Apr 2004 08:13:17 -0400 (CLT) > Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org> wrote: > > > > I should also explain that I have my own distro, Puppy Linux, > > > and everything is compiled against uClibc, not glibc. > > > (www.goosee.com/puppy) > > > > Oh, it would be interesting to have Dillo running under uClibc! > > Dillo has been in Puppy right from the start (which was about one > year ago). A few months ago I changed over to uClibc and recompiled > everything, including Dillo, and all was well until I upgraded to > Dillo v0.8.0. > > > Check if you can run them crom the CLI: > > > > cd /usr/local/lib/dillo/dpi/hello > > ./hello.filter.dpi > > I'm doing this as root. When I try this I get: > > hello.dpi:: starting... > > and that's it, nothing more, doesn't exit until I ctrl-c. > No error message. > ...what is it supposed to do? > > Regards, > Barry Kauler > > _______________________________________________ > Dillo-dev mailing list > Dillo-dev(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de > http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev

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[Dillo-dev]Re: bugfix for bug#500
by Jorge Arellano Cid April 8, 2004

April 8, 2004

On Thu, 8 Apr 2004, Andreas Mueller wrote: > Hi, Hi! > the attached small patch fixes bug#500. > > > Andreas Thanks a lot, that one was hard to chase! Commited. Cheers Jorge.-

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[Dillo-dev]Theme for Dillo 0.8.0
by Gregg April 8, 2004

April 8, 2004

Hi all, I made a button theme for 0.8.0 - Cobalt. Enjoy! -- Gregg

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[Dillo-dev]GTK 1.2 and Dillo's future
by John April 8, 2004

April 8, 2004

As a major fan of lite-weight apps I am very unhappy that so many of my favorite applications are being ported to GTK2. I've been following the Dillo Dev list and I know that there is an effort to port Dillo over to FLTK which may be a good alternative to GTK2. But I have to ask, why not just keep using GTK 1.2? GTK 1.2 is mature, and lite. Perhaps it will start an effort to keep GTK 1.x alive? John

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[Dillo-dev]why use "ccc chain" instead of calling the function directly?
by Lei Jin April 7, 2004

April 7, 2004

Use "ccc chain" mechanism makes the code seeming uniform. But it cause the source code difficult to understand because lots of indirect function call and variety of parameters. I wonder whether we can call the target function directly instead of using "ccc chain", but I do not know if there is difference between these two methods ??? ( such as the process's address space??? )..... --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? 惠普TT游戏剧，玩游戏，中大奖！

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[Dillo-dev]New dillo user (contributor?)
by January Weiner April 7, 2004

April 7, 2004

Hello, first of all, let me thank you for this great piece of software. It's fast, it's simple, it keeps up good Unix traditions -- small, efficient programs which do one job. I have used dillo a couple of years ago, but it was a little too brittle and not mature enough for me, especially due to the lack of tables (or was it CSS?) -- anyway, it is very nice now[*]. A thing that's really lacking (at least for me) -- is a.. man page. I'm an unbelievably traditional when it comes to man pages, mostly because of the apropos database[#]. Further, an introductory readme page for users (with shortcuts etc., and not necessarily compilator options) would also be a nice thing to have, I think. How about that -- if you do not have anything principally against man pages / readme's for newbie's, I'll write it, and promise to keep up with Dillo's releases for the next 12 months. I do not have much time, but at least a rudimentary man page should be in each programs distribution. Is there any document available on Dillos shortcuts and configuration, or should I download the sources right away? Regards, January P.S. A nice detail: when running dillo for the first time, make it copy the dillorc into ~/.dillo/. This is the first place a literate Unix user will look for a configuration when he or she notices that Dillo created ~/.dillo/. Tested on three individuals :-) [*] the only thing I really miss is the support for ISO-8859-2. [#] besides, it took me a couple of minutes to figure out that "s <keyword>" is not a thing you should type in the address widget, but an abbreviation for "ctrl-s keyword", esp. because ctrl-s is such a widespread shortcut for "save". -- ------------ Dr January Weiner 3 ------------------+--------------- Division of Bioinformatics, University of Muenster | Schlo�platz 4 (+49)(251)21634 | D48149 M�nster http://www.uni-muenster.de/Biologie.Botanik/ebb/ | Germany

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[Dillo-dev]Disable toolbars
by Florian Angehrn April 7, 2004

April 7, 2004

if i don't want both toolbars, what do i have to change in the sourcecode? many thanks for your great product (and an answer :)!

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[Dillo-dev]Can't start dpid
by Barry Kauler April 7, 2004

April 7, 2004

Hi, I'm not on the list, so hope this can be submitted! Kindly also reply a copy to bk(a)goosee.com I have been following Dillo for sometime, as a user, and recently upgraded to v0.8.0. Problem is, when I click on a ftp url, the message: "Error: can't start dpid daemon" So, I tried to start dpid directly on the commandline: # dpid # dpid.c:352: register_all: fatal error: -can't find the directory for dpis So, is there something missing here? -- what is dpis? Appreciate any advice on this! Regards, Barry Kauler

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Re: [Dillo-dev]progress on AIX? (fwd)
by Jorge Arellano Cid April 7, 2004

April 7, 2004

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 22:29:57 +0200 From: Riccardo Mottola <rollei(a)tiscalinet.it> To: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org> Subject: Re: [Dillo-dev]progress on AIX? Jorge Arellano Cid wrote: > > On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Riccardo wrote: > > > > [...] > > > Please try changing these to int. This is: > > > > > > #define socklen_t int > > I did that right now and recompiled. Only a bunch of files recompiled. > > > > I still get the same SIGILL, illegal instruction. > > Does current CVS produce SIGILL too? This time, boostrapping and configuring was like a charm. but I get a SIGILL anyway... And no usable bt, as always. Program received signal SIGILL, Illegal instruction. 0x0 in ?? () from /usr/local/build/dillo-cvs/dillo/src/dillo (gdb) bt #0 0x0 in ?? () from /usr/local/build/dillo-cvs/dillo/src/dillo clueless. I remember there was a german guy on the list who used AIX. -R

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[Dillo-dev]progress on AIX?
by Riccardo April 6, 2004

April 6, 2004

Hello, I posted the buildlog I got on AIX... did someone had a look at it to see if there are some warnings or errors that could explain the brokeness of dillo on aix? -Ric

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[Dillo-dev]sourceforge
by Brian Craft April 6, 2004

April 6, 2004

Anyone know why dillo renders the sidebars on sourceforge above the content, rather than beside it? I also note that the download links don't work with dillo, though I can cut and paste them into wget w/o problem. b.c.

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[Dillo-dev]what does a_Cache_ccc() actually do?
by Lei Jin April 3, 2004

April 3, 2004

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[Dillo-dev]The binary size is 3MB?
by Lei Jin April 2, 2004

April 2, 2004

It is said that the dillo binary is only 350KB on the website, but I compile the source and get the binary,which is more than 3MB. Why? --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? 完全免费的雅虎电邮，马上注册获赠额外60兆网络存储空间

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[Dillo-dev]Is there any detailed analysis of the source code of the dillo?
by Lei Jin April 1, 2004

April 1, 2004

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[Dillo-dev]Re: https hungs dillo up...
by Jorge Arellano Cid March 31, 2004

March 31, 2004

Hi Madis, > On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote: > > > > > Hi Madis, > > > > Did you receive my 21 March answer to this email? > > > > I'm eager to know how the SSL stuff is going there! ;-) > > yes, i just was busy few days with other things. today/tomorrow i can > look at this stuff again. Sorry to ask again, I just want to get sure you got started with the dpi patch I sent you for https. If you encounter any problem, please don't hesitate to ask. Cheers Jorge.-

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[Dillo-dev]Re: Lots of patches
by Jorge Arellano Cid March 31, 2004

March 31, 2004

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004, Jorgen Viksell wrote: > Hi Jorge! Hi! > Here's a bunch of small patches that have been collecting dust on my > hard drive. The only serious bug seems to be the first one in the list, > the second might be a crasher too although I'm not sure. Anyway, > consider yourself patch-bombed! :-) > > patch-realloc: > Switch an occurance of realloc() in dpi.c to g_realloc() to prevent > possible crash when using g_free() below. > > patch-gpointer2int: > Use GPOINTER_TO_INT and GINT_TO_POINTER where appropriate. > > patch-strbuf: > Instead of reversing the list; add strings from the tail to the front of > the resulting string. > > patch-selection: > Remove a copy/paste error. > > patch-gcc-warning: > Silent a gcc warning! (dereferencing type-punned pointer...) > > patch-static: > Add static to a couple of functions. > > patch-unused: > Remove PendingHosts since it seems to be unused. Or is it supposed to do > some thing with the list in the future? > > patch-html_get_attr: > Add a convenience function, Html_get_attr_str(), that copies the > resulting value and supplies an alternate value if NULL. > > patch-null-checks: > Remove unnecessary NULL-checks and NULL initializations. OK, reviewed and applied! I fixed just some minor details, except for patch-gpointer2int; although it was correct, I prefered to avoid the verbosity of GPOINTER_TO_INT and GINT_TO_POINTER casts, by also removing the need for casting back and forth from the roots! Now it looks and feels a bit cleaner, and after two days of testing it went to the CVS. Now you now guys, the CVS has plenty of cleanups, so giving it some extra testing is required. Cheers Jorge.-

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[Dillo-dev]CSS update
by Sebastian Geerken March 27, 2004

March 27, 2004

Hi! Some news on CSS: 1. There is a new pre-release, at <http://www.dillo.org/download/dillo-0.8.0-css-3.tar.gz>. Not many changes, but it has been a long time since the next pre-releasse. 2. The CSS page at <http://www.dillo.org/CSS.html> has been updated. Sebastian

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[Dillo-dev]dillo on gtk2?
by Globe Trotter March 26, 2004

March 26, 2004

does dillo exist on gtk2? thanks and best wishes! __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes.yahoo.com/filing.html

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Re: [Dillo-dev]Compiling 0.8.0 Debian
by TBLittlefoot March 25, 2004

March 25, 2004

> From pelzlpj(a)eecs.umich.edu Wed Mar 24 18:10:05 2004 > Subject: Re: [Dillo-dev]Compiling 0.8.0 Debian > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 03:33:58PM -0800, TBLittlefoot wrote: > > I'm one of these weirdos that doesn't like to fondle plastic rodents :-) > > and wonder how difficult it would be to have an option that would number > > all the links on a page and allow one to enter that number instead of > > clicking on the link. I use w3m a lot for my-1st stage surfing, and > > it allows me to Tab down to a link and then hit Return, but that's pretty > > clumsy. > > There is an unofficial patch that: > > 1) lets you jump between links using arrow keys (or whatever keys you > specify) > > 2) includes an incremental search, like Mozilla's "type ahead find" > which is also convenient for selecting links via keyboard > > Let me know if you're interested, and I can point you in the right > direction. > You bet I'm interested...Any step in the right direction. What I was envisioning is having like ^N as a toggle that would put a number in a little box, black on white, before each link, or turn them off. If it was on, then any number entered would be interpreted as a command to go that URL. Seems like the code could be pretty easy, just numbering every link on the page rather than worrying about limiting this to the screenful that's up. Simple incrementation, right? (I'm fairly handy with sh-compatible shell scripting.) > Paul > > > -- > > --------------------------------------------------- > Paul J. Pelzl Office Hours: > EECS 215 GSI Tu: 3:00-4:00, 2420 EECS > Mailbox: 3411 EECS Th: 5:30-6:30, 2336 EECS > <pelzlpj(a)eecs.umich.edu> > --------------------------------------------------- > Okay, I'll byte: What's all that mean? Emplyee number, local mailbox, and permission to be in that office at that time identifer (or ids for machines in two different offices) ????? Tom

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[Dillo-dev]Downloads File
by vinod＠etri.re.kr March 25, 2004

March 25, 2004

Hi all I am pretty new to Dillo and would like to work on the downloads file. [dpi] Please could anyone guide me on the present structure and what enhancement or modifications to be made ? The overview of the current structure : 3 Structures - DownloadFile, DownloadStatus and DownloadWindow Api's to start and free new download, update status, list and create log, get download size and time, add download to list and start and close download. Also, api's for read socket and print list are provided. Can anyone tell me how to enhance this structure better ? Warm regards Vinod

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Re: [Dillo-dev]Compiling 0.8.0 Debian
by TBLittlefoot March 24, 2004

March 24, 2004

Oops! I hit send accidentally... Sure appreciate the help from you guys. And your fine and nicely maturing browser. Tom

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Re: [Dillo-dev]Compiling 0.8.0 Debian
by TBLittlefoot March 24, 2004

March 24, 2004

Thanks to the guidance of Paul, Kelson, and Madis, I know have Dillo 0.8.0 installed and configured and it looks VERY sharp and several things have obviously been corrected, such as being able to just hit Space to move down a screenful and without having to use the mouse at all. If I encounter any difficulties I will submit a bug report. I was really serious about this: I'm one of these weirdos that doesn't like to fondle plastic rodents :-) and wonder how difficult it would be to have an option that would number all the links on a page and allow one to enter that number instead of clicking on the link. I use w3m a lot for my-1st stage surfing, and it allows me to Tab down to a link and then hit Return, but that's pretty clumsy. (When I encounter a site needing a closer look, I bring up Dillo, although this would be easier, come to think of it, if I just used Dillo and disabled image downloading at first. That IS possible??)

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Re: [Dillo-dev]Compiling 0.8.0 Debian
by TBLittlefoot March 24, 2004

March 24, 2004

> From pelzlpj(a)eecs.umich.edu Wed Mar 24 12:30:13 2004 > Subject: Re: [Dillo-dev]Compiling 0.8.0 Debian > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 11:13:08AM -0800, TBLittlefoot wrote: > > Thanks much. Having a rough time here. I've only used apt-get with the CDs > > (which are the only entries in my /etc/apt/sources.list) > > I get the feeling that your Debian CDs do not contain all the packages > you need. So you need some way to get the additional packages, and > downloading them one-by-one could be annoying. > > If you're using Debian stable (woody), then I suggest you add some > Debian mirrors to /etc/apt/sources.list. These lines should work: > > deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main non-free contrib > deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free > deb http://security.debian.org/ woody/updates main contrib non-free > > If you leave the cdrom-related lines in sources.list, Apt will choose > files from the CD when possible, or grab them from the ftp mirrors > otherwise. > > You need to run "apt-get update" after adding these lines, in order to > update the list of packages from the mirrors. Then you can hopefully > run the "apt-get install <whatever>" commands that you have been trying. > > Paul > > That was very cool, Paul. I took the safe route and just mved my current sources.list to sources.list~ and then created a new one with the above entries and followed your directions (while connected to the internet). But, I jumped into attempting to compile 0.8.0 after reading Kelson's reply and just installing the glib-dev files then got these warnings from config: configure: WARNING: *** No libz found. Disabling PNG images *** configure: WARNING: *** No libjpeg found. Disabling jpeg images.*** So I guess I better delete the sources dir and start over again... Thanks a lot. I appreciate your patience here. I'm one of these weirdos that doesn't like to fondle plastic rodents :-) and wonder how difficult it would be to have an option that would number all the links on a page and allow one to enter that number instead of clicking on the link. I use w3m a lot for my-1st stage surfing, and it allows me to Tab down to a link and then hit Return, but that's pretty clumsy. (When I encounter a site needing a closer look, I bring up Dillo, although this would be easier, come to think of it, if I just used Dillo and disabled image downloading at first. That IS possible??) Later, Tom

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Re: [Dillo-dev]Compiling 0.8.0 Debian
by TBLittlefoot March 24, 2004

March 24, 2004

Kelson and Madis, Thanks much. Having a rough time here. I've only used apt-get with the CDs (which are the only entries in my /etc/apt/sources.list) Everything went fine except.... apt-get install libpng2-dev Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: libpng2-dev: Depends: zlib1g-dev but it is not going to be installed E: Sorry, broken packages So then I did: apt-get install zlib1g-dev Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: zlib1g-dev: Depends: zlib1g (= 1:1.1.3-18) but 1:1.1.4-1 is to be installed E: Sorry, broken packages So apparently I need zlib1g-dev_1.1.4-1.0woody0_i386.deb which matches my version of zlib1g and found it at ftp.debian.org but don't know where to go from here. Currently trying to make sense of the apt man pages :-) Tom

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[Dillo-dev]Compiling 0.8.0 Debian
by TBLittlefoot March 24, 2004

March 24, 2004

Greetings Dillo People, I ran into a problem compiling Dillo from the latest tarball, and didn't want totarget anyone specifically, so I hope you don't mind me posting this here.... Been over and over the INSTALL file. I'm running 0.6.2-1, installed from the CDs with apt-get: (Debian 3.0 with kernel 2.4.19) Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-2), libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0), libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.10-2), libjpeg62, libpng2 (>= 1.0.12), x xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.3)libs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.3) Here's what happens when I run ./config for 0.8.0 ---------> #./configure checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu checking target system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking for gawk... no checking for mawk... mawk checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes checking for gcc... gcc checking for C compiler default output... a.out checking whether the C compiler works... yes checking whether we are cross compiling... no checking for suffix of executables... checking for suffix of object files... o checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... none needed checking for style of include used by make... GNU checking dependency style of gcc... gcc checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... none needed checking for ranlib... ranlib checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E checking for gethostbyname... yes checking for setsockopt... yes checking for glib-config... no checking for GLIB - version >= 1.2.0... no *** The glib-config script installed by GLIB could not be found *** If GLIB was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in *** your path, or set the GLIB_CONFIG environment variable to the *** full path to glib-config. configure: error: Unable to find glib with a version >= 1.2.0. Dillo NEEDS glib endquote There's no glib/GLIB in any /bin on my box, and no file called glib-config. Would that be a file that would only exist if I had compiled libglib myself? The latest .deb is nowhere near what's available in the tarball and I want the latest. Nice browser, even as is. I dumped Skipstone for it. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Tom

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[Dillo-dev]src/IO/Makefile.in missing
by Peter Wiehe March 23, 2004

March 23, 2004

I tried to "./configure" dillo 0.8.0, but got this error: ... configure: creating ./config.status ... config.status: creating src/IO/Makefile config.status: error: cannot find input file: src/IO/Makefile.in Did this happen to other users (Dillo's fault)? Or is my Linux system messed up/my build tools have wrong versions (my fault)? If I would understand this autoconf stuff, I would know the answer and wouldn't bother You with this question. And if it's my system's fault, I don't expect You to help me out, of course. But maybe it's a Dillo bug? Kind regards Peter Wiehe

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[Dillo-dev]Mozilla (was src/IO/Makefile.in missing)
by Peter Wiehe March 23, 2004

March 23, 2004

(I've taking the liberty to answer this private mail on the list. If that is against Your will, jump up and down and shout, and I will apologize.) > All of the above & I am not a programmer <grin>.. Thanks for the help especially as You aren't a programmer. IAAPBIHNCAAE I am a programmer but I have no clue about autoconf either :) I don't mean running ./configure but I mean writing/modifiying/understanding 'Makefile.in', 'depcomp', whatever. BTW I'm currently downloading Mozilla sources. Mozilla has definitively its good aspects. But the download says at the very start: 5.5 KB/sec :-) Time left 1 hour 15 minutes :-( 31380 KB :-o Anyone still believing Dillo is obsolete? ;-) Interesting to know that Internet Explorer and Mozilla use the same code base as ancestor! Did You know that? And I've taken a look at Zen another browser, circa the same size as Dillo. But Zen is unmaintained, C++ and most importantly, Dillo sources seem more nicely structured than Zen (from aesthetical and technical view). Kind regards Peter Wiehe

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Re: [Dillo-dev]src/IO/Makefile.in missing
by Peter Wiehe March 22, 2004

March 22, 2004

On Monday 22 March 2004 00:39, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Peter Wiehe <peter_wiehe2004(a)yahoo.de> [03-21-04 18:34]: > > I tried to "./configure" dillo 0.8.0, but got this error: > > did you run 'autoconf' first ?? > I didn't. Docu gives the impression someone should and need not do this. I did it now. Have to update autoconf to 2.54+. If I have done so, the chances are good, that autoconf fixes my problem? > note: IANAP... I am not a person? Intel architecture notoriously abandons productivity? I ate Nachos and Pizza?

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[Dillo-dev]Re.: /src/IO/Makefile.in missing/Dillo obsolete?
by Achim Woellgens March 22, 2004

March 22, 2004

Hi folks, well seems to be first kind of THAT kind of problems ; my compiling went very well, no probs even to more "exotic" installation pathes than usual ;-) so no Makefile missing..... and secondly Dillo is not obsolete because I still appreciate a small and FAST browser for surfing pages not overloaded with (java-) scripts or pictures till doomsday comes... so keep goin please, this thing is damn good so far... just waiting, what othere features will be included in he future, will be online banking possible one day? bye Achim dillo-dev-request(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de wrote: >Send Dillo-dev mailing list submissions to > dillo-dev(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > dillo-dev-request(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de > >You can reach the person managing the list at > dillo-dev-admin(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Dillo-dev digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. src/IO/Makefile.in missing (Peter Wiehe) > 2. Re: src/IO/Makefile.in missing (Peter Wiehe) > 3. Re: src/IO/Makefile.in missing (Jorge Arellano Cid) > 4. Mozilla (was src/IO/Makefile.in missing) (Peter Wiehe) > 5. Re: src/IO/Makefile.in missing (Peter Wiehe) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >From: Peter Wiehe <peter_wiehe2004(a)yahoo.de> >To: dillo-dev(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 00:26:13 +0100 >Subject: [Dillo-dev]src/IO/Makefile.in missing > >I tried to "./configure" dillo 0.8.0, but got this error: > >=2E.. >configure: creating ./config.status >=2E.. >config.status: creating src/IO/Makefile >config.status: error: cannot find input file: src/IO/Makefile.in > >Did this happen to other users (Dillo's fault)? Or is my Linux system mes= >sed=20 >up/my build tools have wrong versions (my fault)? >If I would understand this autoconf stuff, I would know the answer and=20 >wouldn't bother You with this question. And if it's my system's fault, I=20 >don't expect You to help me out, of course. But maybe it's a Dillo bug? > >Kind regards >Peter Wiehe > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >From: Peter Wiehe <peter_wiehe2004(a)yahoo.de> >To: Patrick Shanahan <pat(a)wahoo.no-ip.org>, > dillo-dev(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de >Subject: Re: [Dillo-dev]src/IO/Makefile.in missing >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 00:47:27 +0100 > >On Monday 22 March 2004 00:39, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > >>* Peter Wiehe <peter_wiehe2004(a)yahoo.de> [03-21-04 18:34]: >> >> >>>I tried to "./configure" dillo 0.8.0, but got this error: >>> >>> >>did you run 'autoconf' first ?? >> >> >> >I didn't. Docu gives the impression someone should and need not do this. >I did it now. Have to update autoconf to 2.54+. If I have done so, the=20 >chances are good, that autoconf fixes my problem? > > > >>note: IANAP... >> >> >I am not a person? Intel architecture notoriously abandons productivity? >I ate Nachos and Pizza? > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:56:54 -0400 (CLT) >From: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org> >To: Dillo mailing list <dillo-dev(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de> >Subject: Re: [Dillo-dev]src/IO/Makefile.in missing > > > >On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Peter Wiehe wrote: > > > >>I tried to "./configure" dillo 0.8.0, but got this error: >> >>... >>configure: creating ./config.status >>... >>config.status: creating src/IO/Makefile >>config.status: error: cannot find input file: src/IO/Makefile.in >> >>Did this happen to other users (Dillo's fault)? Or is my Linux system messed >>up/my build tools have wrong versions (my fault)? >> >> > > The file is in the tarball: > >-rw-r--r-- 1000/100 12293 2004-02-08 09:57:37 dillo-0.8.0/src/IO/Makefile.in > > but not in your HD... > > > >>If I would understand this autoconf stuff, I would know the answer and >>wouldn't bother You with this question. And if it's my system's fault, I >>don't expect You to help me out, of course. But maybe it's a Dillo bug? >> >> > > You're the first person to complain! > > If you took 0.8.0 from CVS, just run ./autogen.sh before ./configure > > Cheers > Jorge.- > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 >From: Peter Wiehe <peter_wiehe2004(a)yahoo.de> >To: Patrick Shanahan <pat(a)wahoo.no-ip.org>, > Dillo mailing list <dillo-dev(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de> >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 04:47:54 +0100 >Subject: [Dillo-dev]Mozilla (was src/IO/Makefile.in missing) > >(I've taking the liberty to answer this private mail on the list. If that= > is=20 >against Your will, jump up and down and shout, and I will apologize.) > > > >>All of the above & I am not a programmer <grin>.. >> >> >Thanks for the help especially as You aren't a programmer. > >IAAPBIHNCAAE >I am a programmer but I have no clue about autoconf either :) >I don't mean running ./configure but I mean writing/modifiying/understand= >ing=20 >'Makefile.in', 'depcomp', whatever. > >BTW I'm currently downloading Mozilla sources. Mozilla has definitively i= >ts=20 >good aspects. But the download says at the very start: >5.5 KB/sec :-) >Time left 1 hour 15 minutes :-( >31380 KB :-o >Anyone still believing Dillo is obsolete? ;-) > >Interesting to know that Internet Explorer and Mozilla use the same code=20 >base as ancestor! Did You know that? > >And I've taken a look at Zen another browser, circa the same size as Dill= >o. >But Zen is unmaintained, C++ and most importantly, Dillo sources seem mor= >e=20 >nicely structured than Zen (from aesthetical and technical view). > >Kind regards >Peter Wiehe > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 5 >From: Peter Wiehe <peter_wiehe2004(a)yahoo.de> >To: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org>, > Dillo mailing list <dillo-dev(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de> >Subject: Re: [Dillo-dev]src/IO/Makefile.in missing >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 04:48:52 +0100 > >On Monday 22 March 2004 01:56, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote: > > >> The file is in the tarball: >> >>-rw-r--r-- 1000/100 12293 2004-02-08 09:57:37 >>dillo-0.8.0/src/IO/Makefile.in >> >> but not in your HD... >>[...] >> >> >>>If I would understand this autoconf stuff, I would know the answer an= >>> >>> >d > > >>>wouldn't bother You with this question. And if it's my system's fault= >>> >>> >, > > >>>I don't expect You to help me out, of course. But maybe it's a Dillo >>>bug? >>> >>> >> You're the first person to complain! >> >> >I downloaded, extracted, read install and readme, then run ./configure. >So maybe it's lost at the download. Or maybe some of my software has a bu= >g >(I already have a candidate: Linux FAT-FS). But anyway it's my fault from= >=20 >Dillo's point of view. Because a file being no there which should be alre= >ady=20 >there, that would have lead to many reports. So I download it again.=20 >That should fix it. Thanks. > > > >> If you took 0.8.0 from CVS, just run ./autogen.sh before ./configure >> >> >No, wasn't from CVS. > >Kind regards >Peter Wiehe > > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >Dillo-dev mailing list >Dillo-dev(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de >http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev > > >End of Dillo-dev Digest > > >

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[Dillo-dev]Re: pixmaps.netscape.h
by Jorge Arellano Cid March 15, 2004

March 15, 2004

On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Erik Sittmann wrote: > Hello Jorge, Hi. > attached an updated 'pixmaps.netscape.h' for dillo-0.8.0. Oh, thanks. I just noticed the toolbar icons page was complitely out of sync. After some work, now all the icon sets are up-to-date. I didn't update the screenshots, though, but I'll gladly accept if someone volunteers to send me a package with an updated set of images (all with the same GTK+ theme please). Cheers Jorge.-

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[Dillo-dev]Hello
by Diriel March 13, 2004

March 13, 2004

Hi Everyone, I heard of dillo recently when installing Gentoo linux. I was browsing their software. I am a Big fan of small efficient tools of most any kind. Dillo has definately made a fan of me. For daily usage I generally use FireFox, but when im setting up a box on very limited resources, generally I will set things up as lightweight as possible. A Big Thank You for Dillo. Ok, ill be good and stay on topic here on out /grin. Gary

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[Dillo-dev]Re: dillo / fltk
by Jorge Arellano Cid March 12, 2004

March 12, 2004

On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Matt wrote: > > Hi Jorge, Hi Matt! > > I just visited your dillo web pages (by a hint from the FLTK mailing > list) and I have to say, you guys got something great going there! Thanks. It's great you liked it because we could make it even better by porting to FLTK! > > I saw mentioned that you are checking the feasibility of using FLTK > (replacing or adding to gtk?). The idea is to replace GTK+. (In a nutshell, GTK2 got too big and slow to suit our needs). You can find interesting threads in our mailing list about the FLTK port issue. For instance, go to: http://www.dillo.org/search-dillo-dev.html And search for "FLTK" by "jcid" sorted by "Relevance". This will not only bring my posts but also the ones from Michael Sweet that I forwarded to dillo-dev. > FLTK on the other side is lacking a > good browser, or even just a browser interface. So I believe that > dillo/FLTK would be a great combination. Yes. The only thing that scared me a bit about FLTK's help viewer is that it is too slow, even for very simple pages. For instance vertical scrolling is much slower than what we get with GTK1 by now. Considering FLTK's reputation for speed, and after looking at the demo programs (as "scroll"), I feel it should be possible to improve page scrolling speed. > > Anyway, I am one of the FLTK core developers and cross platform porter, > and I would like to offer you my support in connecting FLTK and dillo. Excellent! Do you plan to work as an advisor, a porting core-developer or the port's leader? :) After reading Sebastian's comments, there seems to be no major obstacle to start the porting effort. What we'd need is to coordinate the communication of specific knowledge: Sebastian and Dw, me and network2parser and parser2widgets, you and FLTK. > Pleas let me know what you think, I think it's great to have one of the core developers of FLTK in the porting team! Technically, I see two ways of making the port: (I'll concentrate on the HTML rendering part because the UI port should be pretty easy in comparison). Rendering port alternatives: 1) Port Dw to FLTK 2) Make a pure FLTK widget tree (convert Dw into FLTK analogs) Maybe the first is easier in the short term, but I'd much prefer the second one because: * Having a custom widget system (Dw) that's embedded into FLTK and that also embedds native FLTK widgets is a very complex scenery that requires too much knowledge to work with (BTW that's what we currently have with Dw/GTK+). * If we can push the positioning/resizing/rendering complexity into FLTK's internal mechanism, it would simplify a lot the task (less complex algorithms, less code, less intertoolkit sync) * If we end we a pure FLTK tree (with its parser), it could be easily reused by the FLTK community, and this also leads to easier maintenance because more developers would be deploying it and helping to improve and fix bugs. One of the main points of Dillo's speed is streamed rendering. That is the ability to show the page as it is being constucted. I assume this is possible with FLTK. The way this works is by letting the parser to build the widget tree as it gets the HTML building blocks. By far, the most complex part is table rendering (because you don't know the table size in advance (i.e. each cell size). This means that cells start to resize and affect their rows and hence the table itself. OTOH, I have hopes in FLTK's internal mechanism. Fl_Group manual says: "It is possible to achieve any type of resize behavior by using an invisible Fl_Box as the resizable and/or by using a hierarchy of child Fl_Group's." and Michael S. wrote: <q> The current FLTK layout mechanism is infinitely flexible, but takes a little getting used to since there are no layout "hints", just resizeable widgets inside groups. In short, you group widgets (and sometimes create empty "box" widgets) to get the layout behavior you want. This is actually a lot faster than the older Motif-style layout stuff that GTK+ uses... There are specialized group widgets (Fl_Pack, Fl_Tile, etc.) that provide for special positioning/resizing capabilities separate from the user resizing the window. </q> So, the way I'd start is by trying to make a FLTK widget (set) that's able to draw generic HTML tables whose content is initially limited to be text only. This means, having HTML test files, a simple parser and the widget tree construction logic. When this is ready, images are added (images are a very good example of resizing cells). After that, a generic HTML content widget should be defined, and it would be a matter of adding support for the missing HTML elements (a much simpler task). In parallel with this last stage, Dillo's UI could be ported and finally merge both to have the first FLTK prototype of Dillo! Looking forward to hear from you Jorge.- PS: Feel free to forward this to the FLTK mailing list.

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[Dillo-dev]dillo / fltk (fwd)
by Jorge Arellano Cid March 4, 2004

March 4, 2004

As you can see, my hopes for volunteers were heard! --Jorge ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 07:30:33 -0800 From: Matt <mm(a)matthiasm.com> To: jcid(a)dillo.org Subject: dillo / fltk Hi Jorge, I just visited your dillo web pages (by a hint from the FLTK mailing list) and I have to say, you guys got something great going there! I saw mentioned that you are checking the feasibility of using FLTK (replacing or adding to gtk?). FLTK on the other side is lacking a good browser, or even just a browser interface. So I believe that dillo/FLTK would be a great combination. Anyway, I am one of the FLTK core developers and cross platform porter, and I would like to offer you my support in connecting FLTK and dillo. Pleas let me know what you think, Matthias

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[Dillo-dev]About proxy authorization && password storing
by Ivan Daniluk March 4, 2004

March 4, 2004

Hi, all! I use proxy server, that requires basic authorization. So, I wrote patch for dillo 0.8.0 that enables this feature. It's available on: http://dem2mpg.by.ru/dillo-0.8.0-proxy-auth.patch.gz Main question I would ask is about password storing. This patch just implements new dillorc option - "http_proxyauth", which is the string like "user:password". But, I guess, it's not correspond to dillo security policy, is it? Maybe, we should open popup dialogue and ask user for login/password? Regards! -- Ivan Daniluk, software developer, Ukrainian Computer Labs, Kiev, Ukraine mailto:Ivan.Daniluk@ucl.com.ua

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[Dillo-dev]Re: Porting Dillo to FLTK
by Jorge Arellano Cid March 4, 2004

March 4, 2004

On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Michael Pearce wrote: > Hello, Hi! > I see under your 'Future Goals' you mention: > > "Port dillo to GTK+2.0 or FLTK" > > I use FLTK for most of my linux gui program, but it is lacking a good HTML > rendering widget. It has a simple one used as a help browser, but it is no > where as advanced as Dillo. Yes, I tested it. The idea is to port our custom widget system (dw) to FLTK. > > I would like to look into porting dillos html parser & renderer to a FLTK > widget. Once this is done a full web-browser would not be difficut to > implement. If you could help us with it, it'd be great. At this point I'm waiting for the opinion of our main dw author and developer (Sebastian). As he knows dw's design by heart, he also knows best what are the harder issues of the port, what is required and what would be easy. He's also the one to tell us beforehand if something is not possible. The initial research on the current (and soon to be available) features of FLTK that we can benefit from is done. We even consulted with some FLTK developers; there's an interesting thread in our mailing list archives. So far it looks very promising. Appart from antialising, UTF-8, more portability, smaller size, postcript output, one of the key benefits we could get is to move rendering complexity into FLTK's layout system. That could simplify a lot the current dw implementation, making it easier to maintain and develop it further. Of course it will require quite an amount of work, but I suppose there will be enough people interested in helping us because it constitutes a quantum leap for the dillo project, and it would also be a big addition to FLTK. > Thankyou for the work that has gone into a clean, compact and useable > browser. Thanks for the recognition. It takes hard work to keep it that way! Cheers Jorge.-

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[Dillo-dev]Porting Dillo to FLTK (fwd)
by Jorge Arellano Cid March 4, 2004

March 4, 2004

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 14:53:46 +1300 From: Michael Pearce <mike(a)slavelighting.com> To: jcid(a)dillo.org Subject: Porting Dillo to FLTK Hello, I see under your 'Future Goals' you mention: "Port dillo to GTK+2.0 or FLTK" I use FLTK for most of my linux gui program, but it is lacking a good HTML rendering widget. It has a simple one used as a help browser, but it is no where as advanced as Dillo. I would like to look into porting dillos html parser & renderer to a FLTK widget. Once this is done a full web-browser would not be difficut to implement. Thankyou for the work that has gone into a clean, compact and useable browser. Mike. -- SLAVE Lighting Lighting Automation and Design on a budget http://www.slavelighting.com/

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[Dillo-dev]dillo. (fwd)
by Jorge Arellano Cid March 4, 2004

March 4, 2004

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:05:41 -0800 (PST) From: R. Elliott <relliott(a)u.washington.edu> To: jcid(a)dillo.org Subject: dillo. Hi there- I just wanted to say a hearty thanks for dillo. It's my favorite browser and I really appreciate the work- 0.8 is fantastic. keep a smile on your face! richard ========================================= Richard Elliott Graduate Student, Univ. of Washington Physics PAB427 (206)543-3904 =========================================

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