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suggest next page feature
by itsme_410＠yahoo.com Oct. 27, 2011

Oct. 27, 2011

midori has a nice feature which really would be a nice addition to dillo. From the midori webpage: "Many people don't know about a nitfy feature in Midori, which is going Forward to the next page. From now on you can hit Space at the bottom of a page to go to the next page, just like in a mail client. Note that this depends on the page. Pages with links labelled "Next" or similar will be recognized. Ideally ?rel="next"? is used in the HTML so Midori knows what the next page is." It would be nice if dillo had it too, on low-end systems where using mouse is at a premium. Alternatively, can keybindings be made to mimic this (and similar features)? Many thanks, T

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[test]: Am I getting through?
by onepoint＠starurchin.org Oct. 26, 2011

Oct. 26, 2011

Test, please ignore. I thought I emailed the list on Monday and nothing has appeared so I am just checking it still works for me. Regards, Jeremy Henty

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Dillo on Cygwin/X
by obeythepenguin＠gmail.com Oct. 22, 2011

Oct. 22, 2011

I should probably resist the bait here, but... Jorge wrote: > > Is there any interest to support this target on a source code basis? > I'd like to have a way to run dillo on Win*, but not sacrificing > current portability [2], nor having to write a completely different > code path for Win*. I'll just say patches 2, 6, 7, 8, 9, 11, and maybe 14 will get you 85% of that, without sacrificing *any* existing portability, and with only minimal changes to the existing Dillo code: http://dillo-win32.sourceforge.net/dillo/dillo3-patches.php Patches 7 and 8, the sockets abstraction layer, are the big ones; the rest of them are small tweaks. The remaining 29 patches are things like UI tweaks and moving DPIs back into the browser, which you are free to leave out. Oh, and I do regularly test my code on Unix, if you're wondering: http://obeythepenguin.users.sourceforge.net/openbsd/files/screenshot.png http://dillo-win32.sourceforge.net/dillo/screenshots.php?closeup=unix-openb… > An API that works in both would be a good solution. For instance, > we know that some dpi servers already work in Win* (with cygwin). > There may even be a way to achieve it natively, and I seem to > recall the FLTK3 team had this in mind. It would be more than > worth to ask them about their plans on the subject. > Again, as I'm not a Win* developer, I don't qualify > to lead this effort on the Win* side. > HTH. Well, frankly I don't think most of the current DPIs belong outside the browser in the first place, as I've explained here: http://dillo-win32.sourceforge.net/dillo/dpi.php (If I have any technical details about the implementation wrong, please let me know.) I have started work on a native Windows DPI patch if you'd like to see it, though I'm afraid it's not functional yet, and it's *very* ugly code. Regards, ~Benjamin

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Address bar keys (bug #1012)
by obeythepenguin＠gmail.com Oct. 22, 2011

Oct. 22, 2011

Rogutes wrote: > Benjamin Johnson (2011-10-21 00:03): > > >> >Having it consistent over all text inputs and configurable > > >via> >keysrc sounds reasonable to me. I don't know the keysrc > > >details> >though, so I might miss something.> >Cheers,> > > >>JohannesHaving input/insert mode and macros in keysrc would be > > >interesting, if nottoo complex. > Look how indecipherable your quotations are. Sorry about that. My mail client (Opera Mail) seems to mangle things from time to time, but frankly I'm not too sure why. > Other than that, I have to agree with most points, because you seem to > have done more homework than I have. I lose sleep over this sort of thing. It's the little things that make or break a user interface; big problems aren't as bad, because if they're obvious enough you can learn to work around them. (Not that I mean that to imply anything about Dillo's UI!) > Shift-{Left,Right} doesn't do anything here and I would expect it to > select text [I guess conventionally]. > Ctrl-A selects all text in other FLTK apps, so dillo must have most > input > boxes covered with the CustInput class. > ---- Rogut?s Sparnuotos Looking through the code, there appear to be three(!) different classes: - CustInput in src/ui.cc - CustInput2 in src/dialog.cc - CustInput3 in dw/fltkui.cc Thanks for mentioning that -- I hadn't noticed the other two. Somehow, it seems just a little excessive... ~Benjamin

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mailing list trivia (Re: [REPOST] Re: Dillo Win32
by rogerx.oss＠gmail.com Oct. 21, 2011

Oct. 21, 2011

Thoughts) Reply-To: In-Reply-To: <20111021073336.GA12742 at local> > On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 07:33:36AM +0000, corvid wrote: > >I see what the problem was now with the strange little chunk of a msg. >When Roger wrote: >> [...] >> required either. >> >> From here, mintty's code is likely an excellent resource to figure how they >> worked around the Window's issues with mouse copy & pasting. > >Pipermail saw a blank line followed by "From ", and thought "new msg!" and >got all confused when generating the archive. IIRC, mail(1) always had a hard >time with that one as well. This is explicitly Google's fault then. I use mutt with gmail, and I find GMail likes blank lines on copy & paste. There might be something within my muttrc causing this too, but I doubt it as I never seen so many problems with blank lines and extended long lines after pasting within a Mutt session. (Only using Mutt with GMail IMAP have I seen this! Never in an ordinary local Mutt session. I also use VIM as the editor: set editor = '/usr/bin/vim --noplugin +/^$' # default: '(empty)' I think it happens during the IMAP session, IMAP/terminal are interpretting newlines incorrectly on paste. As to why this occurred within the From: field makes this even more strange as copy/paste would likely not have occurred there. Personally, I consider this a GMail bug. -- Roger http://rogerx.freeshell.org/

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Address bar keys (bug #1012)
by obeythepenguin＠gmail.com Oct. 21, 2011

Oct. 21, 2011

Rogutes Sparnuotos wrote: > Benjamin Johnson (2011-10-20 15:56):How should dillo behave when a user > binds Ctrl-A? It should perform the action bound to Ctrl-A, of course. Just to clarify, the only thing I want to change is the key bindings when the user is typing in the URL input box. Specifically, I'm talking about the CustInput::handle() function in ui.cc: http://hg.dillo.org/dillo/file/e82663b3c477/src/ui.cc#l96 Dillo intercepts several key bindings normally handled by the input box itself. The problem is, some of these key bindings conventionally have different meanings than Dillo assigns (see below). Not all the bindings are bad. I'd keep the binding for Ctrl-L, for example, which rehighlights the input text when you're typing in the box. That's pretty intuitive, and matches the behavior of other browsers. On the other hand, most users aren't familiar with Unix command line bindings, and even those who are usually don't expect that behavior in a graphical application such as Dillo. It might be convenient, but usability isn't always about convenience; it's about doing what users *expect*. Basically, a good interface is one an unwitting mere mortal could figure out without ever reading the manual, or even thinking too hard. Joel Spolsky explains it a lot better than I do: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/fog0000000249.html > > >Having it consistent over all text inputs and configurable via> > >keysrc sounds reasonable to me. I don't know the keysrc details> > >though, so I might miss something.> >Cheers,> >JohannesHaving > input/insert mode and macros in keysrc would be interesting, if nottoo > complex. It would be interesting, but it certainly would be complex, and I'm not sure the benefits outweigh the costs. I suspect most users are probably fine with just the basic key bindings FLTK already provides. There's also the matter of consistency, not just within Dillo, but between Dillo and other FLTK applications. Part of the advantage of using a toolkit *is* the consistency; that was the original motivation behind KDE, for example. > > I was thinking just a simple boolean option in dillorc -- and turn> it > OFF by default (i.e., no Unix keys), because it's not typical GUI> > behavior, and anyone who wants it on can quite easily set it in his> or > her own dillorc.Would be a strange dillorc option. A real patch would > implement this inkeysrc :) Hard-coding is much stranger than either of those, and much uglier, too. The dillorc option would actually make sense here, because these particular bindings usually go together as a group (it seems weird to do the Unix Ctrl-A, but not the others). Though it would make more sense still just to leave well enough alone, since there's no real need to change the input box's behavior. > Somehow I failed to notice that Ctrl-A for select all is "typical GUI > behavior", perhaps I am not using GUIs enough... > [...snip...] >Here, Ctrl-A goes to the beginning of the line in all the input boxes > ("find text", "web search", <input> in forms). Ctrl-A is conventionally used for select all, and at least on Windows, FLTK binds it to select all in input boxes. It may be that FLTK uses the Unix bindings (Ctrl-A for beginning of line, Ctrl-E for end, etc.) on those platforms, in which case Dillo's hard-coding that behavior is pointless and redundant. I haven't booted into Unix in a while, so offhand I haven't checked. Now, I know there will likely never be Windows support in mainline Dillo, and so you're probably wondering why Windows' key bindings should matter to you. While Unix doesn't have any formal standards for graphical user interface design -- indeed, the X Window System was deliberately designed that way -- most toolkits tend to follow what Windows does. Windows has explicit formal standards for command names, menu layouts, shortcut keys, etc., and not only are they standardized (at least on that platform), they're also well known since roughly 97% of desktop computer users run a Windows operating system. (Microsoft also helped design Motif, if anyone remembers that -- which is kind of weird for me to say, since I was roughly two years old at the time. Moving on...) For reference, here's FLTK's human interface guidelines, which borrow "common elements from the CDE/Motif, GNOME, KDE, MacOS, and Windows environments": http://www.fltk.org/hig.php And here's a list of standard accelerator keys from Qt's documentation, which explicitly recommends following Microsoft's recommendations: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/5.0-snapshot/accelerators.html To get back on topic, what does all this mean for Dillo? My own opinion is, the toolkit designers put a lot of thought into this stuff, and probably know more about how their widgets should behave than you and I do. So personally, I don't think we should override that behavior at all unless there's a really good reason to do so. > > Although I will add, the Shift-{Left,Right} bindings in the address> > bar *have* to go. They're fine elsewhere, if a bit quirky, but in> the > address bar they interfere with text selection. Ctrl-Tab and> > Ctrl-Shift-Tab are much more logical and convenient, anyway.> ~Benjamin > Are we using different versions of dillo? Shift-{Left,Right} doesn't do > anything here. I'm talking about this block of code right here: http://hg.dillo.org/dillo/file/e82663b3c477/src/ui.cc#l117 Pressing Shift-{Left,Right} in the address bar moves between tabs, rather than selecting text as expected. (Maybe something left over from dillo2?) > For the arguments sake, how would having to press Ctrl-Shift-Tab be more > "logical and convenient" than Shift-Left? It's a matter of taste (habit). > In my opinion, both bindings have a disadvantage: Ctrl-Shift-Tab is > difficult for the fingers, Shift-Left is unusual to most people. That's > why it is configurable, isn't it?---- Rogut s Sparnuotos Well, Ctrl-Tab's nice because of the obvious mnemonic; because it's really easy to type; and (you can probably guess what's coming) because it's familiar, since lots of other browsers use it. In contrast, the Shift-{Left,Right} keys are much harder to type, especially on a cramped laptop keyboard where your fingers are right on top of each other. And of course, it's a bit weird because I (and probably most users) associate those keys with "select text," not "change tabs." Basically, what all this boils down to is that consistency is key. Yes, it may be the hobgoblin of little minds, but when faced with an unfamiliar interface, *every* user has a little mind. So anyway, there's my rant for tonight. :-) Regards & cheers, ~Benjamin

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Dillo on Cygwin/X
by keepalive＠gmail.com Oct. 21, 2011

Oct. 21, 2011

Hello, I just gave Dillo another try on Cygwin/X11 and got it working at least partially with cygwin 1.7.9. You need to compile FLTK using Cygwin libraries and X11: ./configure --enable-cygwin --enable-x11 && make install Because the dpis are installed with ".exe" extension (eg hello.dpi.exe) they aren't found by dpid. The extension is added by automake: http://www.gnu.org/s/hello/manual/automake/EXEEXT.html The Makefiles look like this: bookmarks_PROGRAMS = bookmarks.dpi$(EXEEXT) I don't know how to break automake of doing this for the dpis only, so I modified dpid to use .exe-extension on cygwin (see attached patch). After starting the XServer (/usr/bin/XWin -multiwindow) you can run Dillo. Plain browsing with http using proxy and the bookmark & cookie dpis does work. The other dpi currently fail. - hello-dpi shows the dialog and without pressing any button the resultpage (Answer received: Window was closed). After pressing Yes dpid logs "ERROR: [a_Capi_dpi_send_data] No open connection found" - vsource just crashes - file, ftp and https can't connect: Dpi_get_server_port: can't read server port from dpid. ** ERROR **: dpi.c: can't start dpi daemon Looks like the socket implementation of cygwin still has some quirks which can maybe tracked down. Is there any interest to support this target on a source code basis? Thanks and Greets, Stephan

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[REPOST] Re: Dillo Win32 Thoughts
by rogerx.oss＠gmail.com Oct. 21, 2011

Oct. 21, 2011

(According to Corvid, this goody tidbit about mintty got snipped when posted to the list. Resending.) >> 2) Copy & paste work only within the displayed page and not within the >> urlfield. (Although I really miss middle button pasting in Windows.) > >The keyboard shortcuts (Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V, respectively) should work for >both the page and URL field. > >Windows doesn't support X's select-and-middle-click mechanism. I agree >that it would be really nice to have -- that and a decent terminal >emulator like aterm would make my life so much nicer. Might want to check-out mintty. I just found-out about this new package within cygwin, and it's a replacement for the usual cygwin+windows commandline window. The reason it's so great, it allows mouse buttons to be used for copy & pasting within Windows! And, it put's a nice icon of itself on your desktop, similar to the cygwin+windows_commandline after installing from within cygwin. No X is required either.

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No subject
by bogus＠does.not.exist.com Oct. 21, 2011

Oct. 21, 2011

worked around the Window's issues with mouse copy & pasting. --- Roger http://rogerx.freeshell.org/

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Address bar keys (bug #1012)
by obeythepenguin＠gmail.com Oct. 20, 2011

Oct. 20, 2011

Johannes wrote: > On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 11:16:34AM -0400, Benjamin Johnson wrote: >> Hi again, >> >> I was just wondering, could we add an option to control the address >> bar key bindings? I know they're set to behave like a Unix command >> line, which can be convenient, but it also interferes with some custom >> key bindings (as one of my users mentioned in bug #1012). >> >> I've also noticed that the address bar bindings confuse a lot of >> people, since they're not used to the Unix behavior. Conventionally, >> Ctrl-A is "select all," and other input boxes in Dillo follow that, so >> they aren't expecting it to go to the beginning of the line instead. > > Having it consistent over all text inputs and configurable via > keysrc sounds reasonable to me. I don't know the keysrc details > though, so I might miss something. > > Cheers, > Johannes I was thinking just a simple boolean option in dillorc -- and turn it OFF by default (i.e., no Unix keys), because it's not typical GUI behavior, and anyone who wants it on can quite easily set it in his or her own dillorc. Making it consistent globally would be a bit tricky, since we'd have to replace all Fl_Inputs with our custom widget (including in FLTK's stock dialogs). Besides that, there's the matter of other FLTK applications -- would users expect them to behave our way, too? Personally, I'd just as soon ditch the Unix keys altogether, but if we must keep them, let's let the address bar remain the exception. That way, we're not breaking the behavior either way -- new users aren't surprised, and old users can keep it as it was. Although I will add, the Shift-{Left,Right} bindings in the address bar *have* to go. They're fine elsewhere, if a bit quirky, but in the address bar they interfere with text selection. Ctrl-Tab and Ctrl-Shift-Tab are much more logical and convenient, anyway. ~Benjamin

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view src
by obeythepenguin＠gmail.com Oct. 20, 2011

Oct. 20, 2011

Jeremy wrote: > corvid wrote: > >> I viewed source, edited the page, reloaded, and view source keeps >> showing me the old source. >> >> I thought this used to work. > > It may have worked once but my impression is that it has been like > this for quite a while. I have certainly had a note about it in my > TO-DO list for a long time. > > Regards, > Jeremy Henty Funny, the old view source dialog doesn't have that problem at all... ;-) ~Benjamin

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No subject
by bogus＠does.not.exist.com Oct. 20, 2011

Oct. 20, 2011

worked around the Window's issues with mouse copy & pasting. --- Roger http://rogerx.freeshell.org/

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Dillo 3 on OpenBSD
by obeythepenguin＠gmail.com Oct. 20, 2011

Oct. 20, 2011

Just wanted to let you know that dillo-3.0 runs quite nicely on OpenBSD (tested with both mainline and Dillo-Win32, on OpenBSD 4.9/i386). Here are some quick build instructions for mainline if anyone wants to try it out. Note that I like to install things to my home directory, but you can remove the --prefix= and --bindir= options if you want to install it system-wide. 1. Download the Dillo and FLTK 1.3 sources to a convenient location -- I use ~/download. Note that OpenBSD doesn't currently have an FLTK 1.3 package. 2. Install some dependencies from OpenBSD's packages: $ sudo pkg_add -i bzip2 jpeg png 3. Build and install FLTK: $ cd /tmp $ tar -xzvf ~/download/fltk-1.3.0-source.tar.gz $ cd fltk-1.3.0 $ CFLAGS='-Os' CXXFLAGS='-Os' ./configure \ --prefix=$HOME/download/fltk --bindir=$HOME/bin --enable-xft $ make && make install 4. Build and install Dillo: $ cd /tmp $ tar -xjvf ~/download/dillo-*.tar.bz2 $ cd dillo-* $ CFLAGS='-Os' CXXFLAGS='-Os' ./configure \ --prefix=$HOME/download/dillo --bindir=$HOME/bin \ --disable-threaded-dns $ make && make install && strip $HOME/bin/dillo Dillo should be installed and ready to go. By the way, I don't know if you *need* --disable-threaded-dns in step 4. I usually add it, and I'm sure there's a reason, but I don't remember exactly why. So if you try it, let me know if Dillo runs without that option. :-) Cheers, ~Benjamin

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Address bar keys (bug #1012)
by obeythepenguin＠gmail.com Oct. 19, 2011

Oct. 19, 2011

Hi again, I was just wondering, could we add an option to control the address bar key bindings? I know they're set to behave like a Unix command line, which can be convenient, but it also interferes with some custom key bindings (as one of my users mentioned in bug #1012). I've also noticed that the address bar bindings confuse a lot of people, since they're not used to the Unix behavior. Conventionally, Ctrl-A is "select all," and other input boxes in Dillo follow that, so they aren't expecting it to go to the beginning of the line instead. I'll be happy to write the patch, I just wanted to see if anyone would be willing to commit it first. :-) Cheers, ~Benjamin

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text-transform
by corvid＠lavabit.com Oct. 19, 2011

Oct. 19, 2011

I guess I must've gotten bored... http://www.dillo.org/test/text-transform.diff http://www.dillo.org/css_compat/tests/text-transform.html

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Dillo Win32 Thoughts
by obeythepenguin＠gmail.com Oct. 18, 2011

Oct. 18, 2011

Just as an update to my earlier post: I've just uploaded a new dillo-win32-3.0p2 release that fixes the dFcntl() bug on Unix, among other small changes. Sorry again for any inconvenience. ~Benjamin

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Dillo Win32 Thoughts
by obeythepenguin＠gmail.com Oct. 18, 2011

Oct. 18, 2011

By the way, if you want to try Dillo-Win32 on Linux/Unix, download and apply this patch before you compile it: http://dillo-win32.sourceforge.net/TODO/dfcntl.diff This fixes the dFcntl implementation on Unix, so nonblocking I/O works correctly and the browser won't lock up. I only noticed this bug today, but I'm going to put up an updated release with the fix included when I get a chance. Apologies for any inconvenience, ~Benjamin

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Dillo Win32 Thoughts
by obeythepenguin＠gmail.com Oct. 18, 2011

Oct. 18, 2011

Georg wrote: > Benjamin, > you mention that your Win32 version will also compile with Linux. I > tried to compile it on Linux and did not have much success. Your source > code package does not include a configure file for that such as the main > version does. I have doubts too that you frequently test if your version > still works on Linux. You can generate the configure script yourself by running autogen.sh (requires autoconf and automake). I don't include a pregenerated configure script mainly because I build my source tarballs using 'hg archive', and Mercurial is set not to track those files. I may change my release process in future versions to make installation from source easier. Technically, you're correct that I don't test Dillo-Win32 on *Linux*. I do, however, use it quite often on OpenBSD, as you can see in this (quite large) screenshot from my development machine: http://obeythepenguin.users.sourceforge.net/openbsd/files/screenshot.png > Will this version when compiled for Linux also use the sockets > abstraction layer and not use the dpi parts? > Georg The sockets abstraction layer and DPI are two entirely separate things. The sockets layer is just some low-level network code that lets Dillo connect whether it's on Unix or Windows. Dillo doesn't know the difference, and that's the entire point -- it behaves exactly the same on both systems. As far as DPI, it's a little more complicated. In a nutshell: - Bookmarks, cookies, and HTTPS are built into the browser, and don't use DPI. - Downloads are built in by default, but you can disable the built-in downloader and use the DPI. - Everything else will fall back on DPI if it's available. Dillo-Win32 doesn't build dpid and DPI programs by default, but it will use mainline's DPIs if they're installed on the system. I haven't removed DPI support from Dillo -- I just moved most of their functionality into the browser. Hope this helps, ~Benjamin

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Fwd: RE: keysrc broken in dillo 3?
by obeythepenguin＠gmail.com Oct. 18, 2011

Oct. 18, 2011

Here's an interesting one for you guys... I had a user email me this morning saying his keysrc file stopped working after he upgraded from Dillo 2.2 to 3.0. Neither his existing keysrc nor a fresh one would work on his machine, while I couldn't reproduce the problem on mine. We just now discovered by chance it wasn't his keysrc that was the problem, but -- strangely enough -- that he had set start_page=about:blank in his dillorc. I've forwarded his original message below (with names and headers removed for privacy), which includes a more detailed explanation. I was just curious if anyone could reproduce this in mainline before I filed a bug report, or if this behavior was specific to Dillo-Win32. I don't have a Unix system handy now, or else I'd just test it myself. :-) Cheers, ~Benjamin ------- Forwarded message ------- I tracked down the source of the behavior and I think it should be reproducible now. In dillorc I had the following line: start_page=about:blank (By now you've probably figured out I'm a Firefox user..) Apparently Dillo 3 does not like for start_page to have this value, and will only load keysrc after a non-blank page is loaded?! This doesn't happen in Dillo 2.2 (20110630) but I'm not sure if this is an intentional change in behavior; probably not, considering the following weirdness: These values allow keysrc to be loaded without having to load a non-blank page: start_page=about:blank#any comment start_page= Sorry, I haven't had a chance to try any of this out in Linux, so still not sure whether this is an upstream regression.. For completeness my old cookiesrc, dillorc, and keysrc files are all attached (files that reproduce the artifact).

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[patch]: download window resizes its contents to its width
by onepoint＠starurchin.org Oct. 17, 2011

Oct. 17, 2011

Purely cosmetic, but I dislike it when the contents ignore their container, even in only one out of two dimensions. Comments? Regards, Jeremy Henty

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Scrollable view without scrollbar
by Hole.destructor＠gmx.de Oct. 17, 2011

Oct. 17, 2011

Dear Dillo developers, I found a site today (see appendix), which is scrollable in Dillo, i.e. you can press <left> and <right> and the view scrolls left and right, but the view has no horizontal scrollbar. What is also strange here is that the site has no fixed width elements, so the view should not be scrollable. What's happening here? Kind regards, Alexander P.S.: The site is a boiled down version from today's blog.fefe.de

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small panel_size, small_icons, progress boxes don't fit.
by corvid＠lavabit.com Oct. 17, 2011

Oct. 17, 2011

Just noticed that with small panel_size and small_icons, the labels in the progress boxes don't fit.

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Dillo Win32 Thoughts
by mailbox＠georgpotthast.de Oct. 17, 2011

Oct. 17, 2011

Benjamin, you mention that your Win32 version will also compile with Linux. I tried to compile it on Linux and did not have much success. Your source code package does not include a configure file for that such as the main version does. I have doubts too that you frequently test if your version still works on Linux. Will this version when compiled for Linux also use the sockets abstraction layer and not use the dpi parts? Georg

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Dillo Win32 Thoughts
by obeythepenguin＠gmail.com Oct. 17, 2011

Oct. 17, 2011

Hmm, looks like I picked the wrong week to unsubscribe... (it's been a busy semester so I'm trying to cut back on distractions and inbox clutter) Roger wrote: > I had the pleasure of trying out Dillo win32 and I must say I like it. > (Itstarts a heck of alot faster then that bloated green lizard thing ... > sorry,the name doesn't come to mind right now. ;-) >Only one or two things. >1) When I first installed it. I was completely stumped as to how to use > thebookmarks. I was trying to add a bookmark without going to the > actual sitefirst. One thing that could really eleviate all this, is by > setting a fewpreset default bookmarks (ie. www.google.com, and other > favorite searchengines.) Notice, there's no "add bookmark" within the > menu and you have tohave the insight to right click on the displayed > page to get this menu.) Thanks for the suggestion -- I'll add some presets in the next release. One small correction: there *is* an "add bookmark" option, but it's labeled "Bookmark this page" for consistency with the right-click menu. You can also press Ctrl-D to get it, like in Firefox or Opera. I based my bookmarks interface on Opera's, since that's what I'm personally most familiar with (I think Firefox's is similar). So it makes sense to me, but it's probably a bit of a change from mainline Dillo's. I'll have to see what other users think so I know if I need to tweak it. > 2) Copy & paste work only within the displayed page and not within the > urlfield. (Although I really miss middle button pasting in Windows.) The keyboard shortcuts (Ctrl-C and Ctrl-V, respectively) should work for both the page and URL field. Windows doesn't support X's select-and-middle-click mechanism. I agree that it would be really nice to have -- that and a decent terminal emulator like aterm would make my life so much nicer. > 3) One thing I really dislike about Windows, there's no main package > managerlike the Linux distributions for updating all of your other win32 > open sourcepackages. Think most packages & drivers have been all > implementing their ownupdate check routine within their Help menus, > etc. Now, they just have to getthe idea of updating their own packages, > such as Adobe Reader. That would be nice too, although I'm not a fan of the Linux distribution system where you're depending on the distribution maintainers rather than the individual package developers to provide updates. Of course, that all goes back to the lack of proper binary compatibility on the platform, which is a completely different story altogether. > Dillo win32, installs within a few seconds or so. Dillo starts within a > fewseconds too. Dillo win32 is functional as well. Glad you like it! Georg wrote: > what I like about the Win32 version is the fact that it compiles to one > standalone executable file. No dpi is used. > > Georg I rather like that, too ;-) Stephan wrote: > Hello, >I just gave Dillo another try on Cygwin/X11 and got it working at > least partially with cygwin 1.7.9. >You need to compile FLTK using Cygwin libraries and X11: > ./configure --enable-cygwin --enable-x11 && make install >Because the dpis are installed with ".exe" extension (eg > hello.dpi.exe) they aren't found by dpid. The extension is added by > automake: http://www.gnu.org/s/hello/manual/automake/EXEEXT.html > The Makefiles look like this: bookmarks_PROGRAMS = bookmarks.dpi$(EXEEXT) >I don't know how to break automake of doing this for the dpis only, so > I modified dpid to use .exe-extension on cygwin (see attached patch). You can't get rid of the ".exe" extension, because Windows relies on the extension to identify executable files (rather than file permissions, like on Unix). > After starting the XServer (/usr/bin/XWin -multiwindow) you can run > Dillo. Plain browsing with http using proxy and the bookmark & cookie > dpis does work. The other dpi currently fail. >- hello-dpi shows the dialog and without pressing any button the > resultpage (Answer received: Window was closed). After pressing Yes > dpid logs "ERROR: [a_Capi_dpi_send_data] No open connection found" > - vsource just crashes > - file, ftp and https can't connect: > Dpi_get_server_port: can't read server port from dpid. > ** ERROR **: dpi.c: can't start dpi daemon >Looks like the socket implementation of cygwin still has some quirks > which can maybe tracked down. First of all, I'll just say from my own experience: sockets on Windows are a mess. The main problem is socket and file handles aren't interchangeable on Windows, so you can't e.g. dup2() stdio handles to a socket. DPI relies heavily on that trick, which is the main technical reason there's no native DPI on Windows. As I understand it, Cygwin implements a bunch of clever tricks to emulate the Unix sockets behavior, but they're quirky at best because of technical differences in the underlying system design. > Is there any interest to support this target on a source code basis? >Thanks and Greets, > Stephan From what I've seen, the Dillo developers aren't interested in Windows at all, via Cygwin or otherwise. Of course, I don't want to put words into their mouths; Cygwin will probably require less extensive patching than a native port like mine, so you may have better luck than I have. I will say I'm personally not a fan of Cygwin, since it negates all the advantages Dillo provides: speed, efficiency, small size, easy installation. A native port like Dillo-Win32 doesn't involve any of Cygwin's complexity or overhead, so it's much more useful to the vast majority of Windows users. Side note: I'm working on a patch to provide native DPI on Windows. So far it compiles, but it's not functional yet, and it's *extremely* ugly code. Email me if you want a copy. Georg wrote: > I suggest to implement a configure option that causes the dpi functions > tobe linked with the main dillo code. The dpic then needs to be adapted > tocall these functions directly instead of forking a new process. This > wouldgreatly simplify porting Dillo to other platforms. >I guess the Dillo developers have already done this for their > development sothey can step through the entire code with GDB. >Georg It's not quite as simple to do as you've described, but that's essentially what I've done with Dillo-Win32: move all the DPI functionality into the browser. Some of it, like HTTPS support and the downloader, is new code, but a lot of it is straight copy-and-paste -- for example, cookies, and the bookmarks backend (but not the user interface). I've also introduced some new features like a sockets abstraction layer that greatly help Dillo's portability. Dillo-Win32's a bad name for my project, because it's not _only_ for Windows, but since that was my original target the name stuck. I'd like to get my code into mainline (that was my goal from the start), but it requires extensive changes to Dillo's inner workings, and the DPI thing has been a bit of an issue. I'm not absolutely opposed to it, but I think the current implementation is deeply flawed, and I don't believe in implementing required functionality through an extension mechanism since required functionality is by definition not an extension. Anyway, sorry for the _obscenely_ long email, but I hope this covers everything. :-) Thanks again for all the feedback, suggestions, discussions, distractions, etc. Cheers, ~Benjamin

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text selection and images
by Johannes.Hofmann＠gmx.de Oct. 16, 2011

Oct. 16, 2011

There seems to be a problem with images and text selection. When you select the text in foo bar <img src="foo" alt="img"> foo bar the second foo gets selected completely while the mouse is in the space after the <img>. The relevant code seems to be Textblock::sendSelectionEvent(), but I couldn't spot the error yet. Any ideas? Cheers, Johannes

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Dillo Win32 Thoughts
by mailbox＠georgpotthast.de Oct. 15, 2011

Oct. 15, 2011

I suggest to implement a configure option that causes the dpi functions to be linked with the main dillo code. The dpic then needs to be adapted to call these functions directly instead of forking a new process. This would greatly simplify porting Dillo to other platforms. I guess the Dillo developers have already done this for their development so they can step through the entire code with GDB. Georg

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Dillo Win32 Thoughts
by mailbox＠georgpotthast.de Oct. 13, 2011

Oct. 13, 2011

what I like about the Win32 version is the fact that it compiles to one standalone executable file. No dpi is used. Georg

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Dillo Win32 Thoughts
by rogerx.oss＠gmail.com Oct. 12, 2011

Oct. 12, 2011

I had the pleasure of trying out Dillo win32 and I must say I like it. (It starts a heck of alot faster then that bloated green lizard thing ... sorry, the name doesn't come to mind right now. ;-) Only one or two things. 1) When I first installed it. I was completely stumped as to how to use the bookmarks. I was trying to add a bookmark without going to the actual site first. One thing that could really eleviate all this, is by setting a few preset default bookmarks (ie. www.google.com, and other favorite search engines.) Notice, there's no "add bookmark" within the menu and you have to have the insight to right click on the displayed page to get this menu.) 2) Copy & paste work only within the displayed page and not within the url field. (Although I really miss middle button pasting in Windows.) 3) One thing I really dislike about Windows, there's no main package manager like the Linux distributions for updating all of your other win32 open source packages. Think most packages & drivers have been all implementing their own update check routine within their Help menus, etc. Now, they just have to get the idea of updating their own packages, such as Adobe Reader. Dillo win32, installs within a few seconds or so. Dillo starts within a few seconds too. Dillo win32 is functional as well.

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Digest authentication
by furaisanjin＠gmail.com Oct. 11, 2011

Oct. 11, 2011

Hi all. It seems that current digest authentication doesn't supportsA1 calculation. Is there any plan when this is implemented? Regards, furaisanjin

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Dillo review article
by jcid＠dillo.org Oct. 10, 2011

Oct. 10, 2011

Hi there, This may be worth adding to our "Dillo in the Press" section: http://www.linuxinsider.com/story/For-Fast-Light-Web-Browsing-Dillos-No-Dal… :-) -- Cheers Jorge.-

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white-space patch
by Johannes.Hofmann＠gmx.de Oct. 5, 2011

Oct. 5, 2011

Hi, attached is a preliminary patch for white-space: nowrap handling. It' supposed to fix the following issues: * Weird page width in combination with white-space:nowrap sequences (e.g. on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_browser. * Line breaks at tags (e.g. <b>D</b>illo should not break after the "D". (similar issue on http://fltk.org/newsgroups.php?gfltk.development+T) without breaking: * zero width space handling. * ideographic character handling. It's not ready for commit yet, as google results don't render deterministically the same way. Nevertheless please give it a try and report how it works for you. Cheers, Johannes

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remember digest authentication?
by corvid＠lavabit.com Sept. 29, 2011

Sept. 29, 2011

I dug up Justus's old http auth patch a little while back, got everything ironed out, and it's working well for me now, so I just committed it. Please test!

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Mouse Wheel 80-90% slower then Seamonkey?
by rogerx.oss＠gmail.com Sept. 26, 2011

Sept. 26, 2011

Anybody else notice the mouse wheel is slow within Dillo? Comparing dillo_port1.3 to Seamonkey, dillo_port1.3 is almost 80-90% slower compared to Seamonkey. Comparing dillo_port1.3 to dillo, dillo_port1.3 is slower by approx. 50%. -- Roger http://rogerx.freeshell.org/

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Another occurrence of "2.2" found: doc/dillo.1
by abe＠deuxchevaux.org Sept. 24, 2011

Sept. 24, 2011

Hi, just noticed that the manpage doc/dillo.1 still has "version 2.2" in its headers. Kind regards, Axel -- /~\ Plain Text Ribbon Campaign | Axel Beckert \ / Say No to HTML in E-Mail and News | abe at deuxchevaux.org (Mail) X See http://www.asciiribbon.org/ | abe at noone.org (Mail+Jabber) / \ I love long mails: http://email.is-not-s.ms/ | http://noone.org/abe/ (Web)

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release candidate for dillo-3.0.1 ready for testing
by Johannes.Hofmann＠gmx.de Sept. 24, 2011

Sept. 24, 2011

Hi, due to some important privacy fixes we decided to make a bugfix release. http://www.dillo.org/download/dillo-3.0.1-rc1.tar.bz2 is available for download now and want's to be tested. Please give it a try and report back. If everything goes smoothly, this will become dillo-3.0.1.tar.bz2 on Friday. Cheers, Johannes

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border space
by higuita7＠yahoo.co.uk Sept. 23, 2011

Sept. 23, 2011

Hi Sometimes i find sites where the right or left border space doesnt exist and the text is "touching" the window border, making it difficult to read... Example: http://blog.pfsense.org/ http://karidawn.wordpress.com/ these two are wordpress blogs, so maybe its also a wordpress theme problem, but i think that adding a few pixels to both borders would help a lot... if not hard to do, of course, as there is the workaround to disable CSS to remove the text from the borders Thanks higuita -- Naturally the common people don't want war... but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country. -- Hermann Goering, Nazi and war criminal, 1883-1946

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Fwd: Bug#642391: dillo: sane default for http redirects [origin: debian-bts@unpopularminds.org]
by abe＠deuxchevaux.org Sept. 23, 2011

Sept. 23, 2011

Hi, this bug report came in for dillo 3.0 in Debian Unstable/Testing, see also http://bugs.debian.org/642391 See below for my thoughts. ----- Forwarded message from The Don Lachlan <debian-bts at unpopularminds.org> ----- From: The Don Lachlan <debian-bts at unpopularminds.org> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 02:07:15 -0400 Subject: Bug#642391: dillo: sane default for http redirects To: Debian Bug Tracking System <submit at bugs.debian.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Package: dillo Version: 3.0-1 Severity: important Dear Maintainer, By default, Dillo 3.0 does not follow HTTP redirects between second level domains (foo.com -> bar.com) which breaks URL shorteners and many web sites. This is controlled by the configuration option "filter_auto_requests" and defaults to "same_domain". I've attached two patches. The first modifies the source to "allow_all" by default and the commented entry in the rc file; the second modifies the rc file to "allow_all" by default. The first patch is preferable so that 1) the source code defaults match the shipped rc file 2) users who have an existing ~/.dillo/dillorc (and ignore the global dillorc) will receive the proper default of "allow_all" if they lack a "filter_auto_requests" entry -Lachlan (this is a resend, it left my MTA but never reached the bug logs) -- System Information: [...] --- dillo-3.0/dillorc 2011-09-21 15:38:16.664618360 -0400 +++ dillo-3.0/dillorc 2011-09-21 18:21:26.000000000 -0400 @@ -31,7 +31,7 @@ # allow_all # same_domain : Permit www.example.org to load an image from img.example.org, # but not from the unrelated ad.doubleclick.net. -#filter_auto_requests=same_domain +#filter_auto_requests=allow_all # Change the buffering scheme for drawing # 0 no double buffering - useful for debugging --- dillo-3.0/src/prefs.c 2011-09-21 18:52:17.000000000 -0400 +++ dillo-3.0/src/prefs.c 2011-09-21 18:52:54.000000000 -0400 @@ -40,7 +40,7 @@ prefs.buffered_drawing = 1; prefs.contrast_visited_color = TRUE; prefs.enterpress_forces_submit = FALSE; - prefs.filter_auto_requests = PREFS_FILTER_SAME_DOMAIN; + prefs.filter_auto_requests = PREFS_FILTER_ALLOW_ALL; prefs.focus_new_tab = TRUE; prefs.font_cursive = dStrdup(PREFS_FONT_CURSIVE); prefs.font_factor = 1.0; --- dillo/dillorc 2011-09-21 15:38:16.664618360 -0400 +++ dillo/dillorc 2011-09-21 15:38:42.000000000 -0400 @@ -31,7 +31,7 @@ # allow_all # same_domain : Permit www.example.org to load an image from img.example.org, # but not from the unrelated ad.doubleclick.net. -#filter_auto_requests=same_domain +filter_auto_requests=allow_all # Change the buffering scheme for drawing # 0 no double buffering - useful for debugging ----- End forwarded message ----- Until now I noticed the effects of filter_auto_requests just for images and was quite happy with it. But with images you can click on them and they will be loaded. This does not seem to work for cross-domain redirects. And as annoying as URL shorteners are, I usually do like to follow those redirects. Is it possible to separate the settings for images and redirects? Or is it possible to allow those redirect on a case-by-case base? One easy way to do so would to display the content of the redirect page which usually contains a link to the redirect target. Kind regards, Axel -- /~\ Plain Text Ribbon Campaign | Axel Beckert \ / Say No to HTML in E-Mail and News | abe at deuxchevaux.org (Mail) X See http://www.asciiribbon.org/ | abe at noone.org (Mail+Jabber) / \ I love long mails: http://email.is-not-s.ms/ | http://noone.org/abe/ (Web)

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I hear there's some SSL unpleasantness going on...
by corvid＠lavabit.com Sept. 22, 2011

Sept. 22, 2011

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/19/beast_exploits_paypal_ssl/

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fltk linkage
by corvid＠lavabit.com Sept. 22, 2011

Sept. 22, 2011

Do we still have a reason for telling people to stick with static linkage when building fltk?

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Page layout bug: disappears mysteriously when the source is saved locally.
by onepoint＠starurchin.org Sept. 19, 2011

Sept. 19, 2011

This page[1] renders badly in Dillo - the text wraps to a width much wider than the browser window. But when I save the page locally it renders fine! How is this possible? The only CSS is a small inline <style>, which rules out the obvious guess of a style sheet failing to load. Fixing all the relative URLs to absolute ones has no effect. I'm mystified. Any ideas? Regards, Jeremy Henty [1] http://thbecker.net/articles/rvalue_references/section_08.html

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Floating objects
by jcid＠dillo.org Sept. 19, 2011

Sept. 19, 2011

Hi there, Well, time to focus on floating objects (at least for me) @Johannes: what's the status and info we have from Sebastian on his prototype so far? I vaguely remember there were some issues with the design, and on whether to try to implement it inside the textblock or elsewhere. -- Cheers Jorge.-

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Line breaking bug.
by onepoint＠starurchin.org Sept. 19, 2011

Sept. 19, 2011

In the attached example the first paragraph is only broken before the last word. The bug depends on the text containing the <pre> element and on it being inside a <div> inside a <table>. Real live example: http://www.devx.com/cplus/10MinuteSolution/34577/0/page/4 Regards, Jeremy Henty

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Close dillo with multiple tabs open
by Hole.destructor＠gmx.de Sept. 18, 2011

Sept. 18, 2011

Dear Dillo developers, I just noticed a small misbehaviour when trying to close a Dillo window (using ALT+F4 or CTRL+q) with more than one tab open: A window pops up and asks wether I am sure to close. At this point I unfortunately can't use the ENTER key to confirm. I think I would be very convenient for the user to make the ENTER key work. Another question here: Please tell me if I'm wrong, but there seems to be no dillorc option to omit the mentioned popup window completely. Do you think it would be convenient to have one? Kind regards, Alexander

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how to open links etc
by itsme_410＠yahoo.com Sept. 18, 2011

Sept. 18, 2011

Hi, Sorry to ask something perhaps really dumb, but when I click on some links, eg a pdf file, I get prompted to save the file. Is it possible for me to transfer the file to some external program (say /usr/bin/epdfview) to open after download? Does this have to programmed in somewhere? Where? As a dpi? If the latter, where are the instructions? I looked at hello.c for an example but I was no sure what to do with the C program. Where do i compile it and how? Thanks for the help! Best wishes, T

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system colors
by corvid＠lavabit.com Sept. 17, 2011

Sept. 17, 2011

As an aside to the scheme issue, I just found that if I add in a Fl::get_system_colors(); (I put it after the make_current()) and then added the following to .Xdefaults: dillo*background: red dillo*foreground: yellow Then dillo's dialogs, and certain parts of the UI, and -- interestingly -- the default text color on pages, well, it all turns rather red&yellow in general. The src talks about KDE, at least, setting those values in xrdb. If it should happen that many of the various desktop environments set these values, getting this all to work reasonably correctly might be pleasing to everyone nowadays who expects all of their windows to look similar. People are very first-impression ("It's ugly!" *deletes*)...

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dillo-3.0-rc2 is out
by jcid＠dillo.org Sept. 16, 2011

Sept. 16, 2011

Hi there, After: [ok] moveToWidget(). Jorge has code for this. [ok] downloads dpi string escaping. [ok] alt text wrapping (which looks like a nice feature). [ok] remove large panel. [ok] https dialog storm (BUG#868). [ok] The findbar input doesn't know about Ctrl+{a,e,d,k}. [ok] something other than "ctab%d" for initial tab label. [ok] single close tab button with tooltip. [ok] valgrind logs: close window [ok] valgrind logs: cancel expected url [ok] segfault with Ctrl-s (web search) [ok] UI_TEMPORARILY_SHOW_PANELS [ok] leave link into a native FLTK widget [ok] remove pointeronlink(), panelmode_cb_i() [ok] the panel problems when resizing from very small. [ok] resize problems when tabs overflow [ok] URL_ILLEGAL_CHARS [ok] Fixed CustLightButton "light" color deactivation. [ok] hoverTooltip glitch (tooltip linger when going into a child DIV). [ok] tab overflow (code a handler) [ok] valgrind error for first tab close, then resize(). [ok] update the Changelog [ok] default search engine [ok] new-tab and window title [ok] CSS adjacent sibling selectors [ok] margin-bottom + some margin collapse [ok] fix doctree leak Today the rc2 was packaged. Please get it here: http://dillo.org/download/dillo-3.0-pre.tar.bz2 // tarball http://dillo.org/download/dillo-3.0-pre.tar.bz2.asc // signature The idea is to test the package in different OS/HW-Platforms and to report how the build process went, and how it works. Hopefully it'll become dillo-3.0. Afterall, it has been for a long enough time in testing phase. TIA for your feedback. -- Last but not the least: [ok] valgrind logs: cancel expected url I can't reproduce this anymore (after the committed fix). If somebody can still reproduce it, please report it. Details are in this thread: http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/pipermail/dillo-dev/2011-August/008810.html (the "expected url" is the one you've asked for but whose data bytes haven't started to arrive. If during this period of time you stop the request --e.g. by pressing Stop or clicking another URL, it's cancelled--). -- Cheers Jorge.-

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Preferences GUI
by obeythepenguin＠gmail.com Sept. 16, 2011

Sept. 16, 2011

Hello again, I've finally updated my preferences GUI patch for Dillo 3.0. (It's 2011 -- nobody should have to manually edit configuration files, especially for a graphical program!) If you want to try it out, here it is: http://dillo-win32.sourceforge.net/patches/33-prefsgui.diff And here's some screenshots: http://dillo-win32.sourceforge.net/dillo/screenshots.php?closeup=Z08-dillo3… Right now it implements about half the possible dillorc options; I'm planning to add the others once I figure out where they'll fit best in the interface. By the way, fair warning: this does assume you've applied the other 32 Dillo-Win32 patches before it, so you may need to edit a couple files to use it on stock Dillo. Cheers, ~Benjamin

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patch for UI and font_factor
by corvid＠lavabit.com Sept. 15, 2011

Sept. 15, 2011

I just tried changing the value of FL_NORMAL_SIZE, and I was very surprised by how well everything copes overall. If I had bad vision and needed, say, font_factor=1.4, I'd _strongly_ prefer this patch despite the various bits of UI size hardcoding that it reveals. - I think the Tools menu imperfection comes from "if (flags & (FL_MENU_TOGGLE|FL_MENU_RADIO)) w += 14;" in Fl_Menu.cxx, but I haven't taken the minute to verify that yet. - Choice5 does not handle it well. I made a nicer choice5 a few months ago, but Jorge didn't like it.

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patch history menu positioning
by corvid＠lavabit.com Sept. 15, 2011

Sept. 15, 2011

I was just thinking that it would be nice if the history menus were positioned like the tools menu.

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configure message?
by itsme_410＠yahoo.com Sept. 14, 2011

Sept. 14, 2011

What does this message mean? I am running fedora 15 and I have both pkg-config as well as the following packages installed: libpng-1.2.46-1.fc15.x86_64 libpng10-devel-1.0.55-1.fc15.x86_64 libpng-devel-1.2.46-1.fc15.x86_64 libpng10-1.0.55-1.fc15.x86_64 Here is the relevant portion: there is no libpng14 on fedora, but there is mingw32-libpng-1.4.8-1.fc15.noarch which puts libpng14-config strangely into /usr/i686-pc-mingw32/sys-root/mingw/bin/libpng14-config. checking for libpng-config... which: no libpng14-config in (/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/sbin:/sbin) /usr/bin/libpng12-config checking for libpng version... 1.2.46 (newer version) ..... everything else compiles "fine"....

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