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[RFC] Keyboard navigation
by Frank de Lange Oct. 7, 2003

Oct. 7, 2003

Hi'all, I'm currently adding keyboard navigation to Dillo. A quick search on the web produces loads of opinions on which keys to use for what purpose, how to navigate using the keyboard, etc. The w3c has produced some guidelines for 'accessibility' (http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/sect508-UAAG.html#keyboard) which I will take into account for this feature, and the Mozilla project has done quite a bit of brainstorming on the subject. This is a request for some comments from current Dillo users/developers on what you would like Dillo to be like in this respect. My plan is to implement basic keyboard navigation for links and other content which can be activated (input fields, checkboxes, buttons, etc). For this I already have a working implementation. I will probably add accesskey support as well. Currently I use the cursor keys plus a modifier (now CTRL, will probably switch to ALT/META) to navigate to the nearest link (up/down/left/right), while the TAB key navigates sequentially through all 'activatable' content. Shift-TAB should do the same in reverse, but this is currently not working as it should. Enter activates the current link (embedded GTK+ widgets have their own conventions for this, eg. radiobuttons can *also* be selected using the spacebar, etc...). The find feature will be able to set the current focused link (not implemented yet). If you have any suggestions on this subject, send them to the list. Should this feature be optional? On devices without a keyboard (many PDA's) keyboard navigation does not help much after all... On the other hand, the generalised 'focus' mechanism I've added to the viewport can be used for other purposes as well. Cheers//Frank -- WWWWW ________________________ ## o o\ / Frank de Lange \ }# \| / +46-734352015 \ \ `--| _/ <Hacker for Hire> \ `---' \ +31-640037120 / \ frank(a)unternet.org / `------------------------' [ "Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est." ]

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Patch to allow pricewatch.com to work
by rcooley Oct. 7, 2003

Oct. 7, 2003

This is a quick and simple patch to address Bug #463. All I did was to _remove_ the 'if' statement in html.c , which ignored the BASE HREF= tag if it was not within HEAD. Does removing that restriction really cause any problems? Just about every other browser handles a BASE tag in the body. Even the w3c.org HTML validator doesn't complain about BASE not being in HEAD. diff -ur /tmp/dillo-0.7.3/src/html.c dillo-0.7.3/src/html.c --- /tmp/dillo-0.7.3/src/html.c Sat Jul 19 16:05:28 2003 +++ dillo-0.7.3/src/html.c Mon Oct 6 20:02:31 2003 @@ -3651,7 +3651,6 @@ const char *attrbuf; DilloUrl *BaseUrl; - if (html->InFlags & IN_HEAD) { if ((attrbuf = Html_get_attr(html, tag, tagsize, "href"))) { BaseUrl = a_Url_new(attrbuf, "", 0, 0); if (URL_SCHEME_(BaseUrl)) { @@ -3665,9 +3664,6 @@ a_Url_free(BaseUrl); } } - } else { - DEBUG_HTML_MSG("the BASE element must appear in the HEAD section\n"); - } } /*

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RPMs for Conectiva 8
by Kelson Vibber Oct. 6, 2003

Oct. 6, 2003

I finally figured out what was preventing Dillo from building on my User-Mode Linux installation of Conectiva 8, so RPMs are now available for both the plain 0.7.3 release and 0.7.3 with tabs+frames patch version 10. Unfortunately, I have not been able to get the virtual network working on this instance, so I cannot route X to my actual desktop to test it. If anyone on this list has a copy of Conectiva 8, I'd appreciate it if you would try both RPMs and verify that the packaged version of Dillo works correctly (or at least as correctly as it does when you build it yourself) and that an icon appears in the KDE/Gnome menus. http://www.hyperborea.org/software/dillo/ On a related note, before I figured out what was missing from my UML installation of Conectiva 8, I decided to try installing an actual copy on spare partition space - and watched it wipe out my primary root partition, my home partition, and my download/media partition. After a long night I was able to recover both data partitions, but I had to reinstall my primary OS. (Not a big deal, since I had my configuration files and my critical data backed up - and I got the rest of my data back.) As a result, I have decided not to install any more distributions directly on that system, so unless/until I can set up a spare system solely for trying things out, anything else I build RPMs for will run under User-Mode Linux (At this point, 5 of the 10 distributions I build RPMs for are running under UML). If there's a pre-built filesystem available, or if it's supported directly by UMLBuilder, it should be easy (assuming I can get the install files). However, for Conectiva 9 or the upcoming Mandrake 9.2 and SuSE 9, I will need to experiment a bit with either building filesystems myself or creating a profile for use with UMLBuilder. (And any SuSE distribution is complicated by the fact that they only provide FTP-based installation unless you buy the boxed set.) The one exception is Fedora Core 1. My current primary OS is Red Hat 9, and I will probably upgrade to Fedora when it's released, assuming they don't rip out anything major. (I was planning to install the latest beta on a spare partition, but I'm a bit reluctant to do that now.) Kelson Vibber www.hyperborea.org

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[PATCH] smart bookmarks
by Tomas Styblo Oct. 6, 2003

Oct. 6, 2003

Hello. I created a patch that adds Mozilla-like "Smart Bookmarks". Smart bookmarks make searching on the web much more convenient. There are two patches attached to this message. The first one is for vanilla dillo 0.7.3, the second one is for dillo 0.7.3 patched with the tabs/frames patch and the SSL patch. The following sample configuration lines should be added to your dillorc file: #------------------------------------------------------------------------- # SMART BOOKMARKS SECTION #------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Use "g dillo" as the URL to search google for "dillo". # The keyword may consist only of alpha-numeric characters and must be # separated from the URL with a semicolon. The URL must contain # the "%s" sequence, which will be replaced with the parameter following # the keyword. smart_bookmark="g;http://www.google.com/search?&q=%s" smart_bookmark="fm;http://freshmeat.net/search/?q=%s&section=projects" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SNIP ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hopefully someone will find the patch useful. Thank you all for your work. -- Tomas Styblo <tripie(a)cpan.org> PGP: C97EA4B6 / 817E B8A8 1AFD 3256 3181 A730 85CF 7BEB C97E A4B6

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take control of your mortgage!
by cynthia Oct. 5, 2003

Oct. 5, 2003

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Dillo Configuration
by Ringwraith Oct. 3, 2003

Oct. 3, 2003

I'd first like to say thanks for Dillo, its sooo great loading the complete list of CPAN modules in less than 2 seconds, as compared with the nice 5 to 10 seconds with mozilla/firebird :) I do not know if this has been discussed but: One thing I noticed, as Dillo matures, it will obviously need a configuration/preferences menu. I am really starting to get pissed off (pardon lang) at how other browsers use the standard toolkit based widgets to do their configuration. This, IMHO, with the features of today's browsers, clutters up the user interface and causes bloat with the browser. I think having a PURE html interface to doing web browser configuration would do two important things: 1. Gives the flexibility to have a feature rich browser while maintain simplicity. It is a web browser, 90% of the user interface is a web page, so why not make the GUI something the user is familiar with. 2. Reduces bloat. IMHO not so much importantly, 3. Allows for nice customization (themes) of the user interface by someone who knows HTML and vi w/o having to recompile dillo. ;) I am considering to attempt to make a module for the configuration of Dillo that will do this: 1. Configure all aspect of the browser including the (upcoming?) plugin support. 2. Allow pluggable configuration. If plugins have any configurable options (sometimes they do), they will also be configurable using the interface. This module would be accessed through something like: config:// or about:config (i like config:// much better) It would obviously have some security built in so that no one can pull a IE type trick on us and be able to do things they shouldn't. Anyhow this is just a brainstorm, what are your thoughts on doing something like this?

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tab/frame patch ver. 10 makes huge binary?
by Mike Eriksen Oct. 3, 2003

Oct. 3, 2003

Hi I've been running Dillo 0.7.3 from a rpm on a Redhat 9.0 for a while, but wanted to try out the tab/frame patch. So I downloaded the Dillo tarball, applied the patch, ran configure, make and make install. No problem. Since the tarball suggest /usr/local/bin and the rpm-version /usr/bin I'm able to have both versions simultaneously. However: *** ls -lh /usr/bin/dillo -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 297K <blah blah> ls -lh /usr/local/bin/dillo -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3.4M <blah blah> *** A twelve fold increase in size!!!!? Obviously I did something stupid, but what? Gcc is 3.2.2. Mike -- Thinstation FAQ maintainer http://thinstation.sourceforge.net - a light, full featured linux based thin client OS

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patches
by landy Sept. 30, 2003

Sept. 30, 2003

well i admit that either i am blind or can't look correctly but in cvs i do not see any patches. i was told there several patches out there for dillo

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Re: [Dillo-dev] patches
by Kelson Vibber Sept. 30, 2003

Sept. 30, 2003

On Monday 29 September 2003 5:25 pm, landy wrote: > thanks a million, > > i ma having problems with the tab patch, how do i apply it? See http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.web.dillo.devel/1108 Just use the right paths for the Dillo source, and update the version number on the patch. (Also, be sure you're using the right version of the patch - if you've downloaded Dillo 0.7.3, use the patch for 0.7.3. If you're using a CVS snapshot, use the patch for CVS.) -- Kelson Vibber www.hyperborea.org

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Yes or No: optional compilation of 'extra' features
by Frank de Lange Sept. 28, 2003

Sept. 28, 2003

Hi'all, Those of you who have tried my tab/frames patch will know that I usually make all 'extra' features optional. This allows those who {do not {need|like}|can not afford} those features to leave them out of the resulting binary. However, it also makes the code somewhat more complex, as the optional features are enabled/disabled through conditional compilation (#ifdef/#ifndef....#endif). The space saved by leaving out tabs and frames is currently about 25 kilobytes (Kib, kB, KB, choose your acronym...). I have gotten some comments on this, suggesting the removal of these conditional statements. This way, Dillo would ALWAYS have the extra features (tabs and frames). Before I say 'yes' or 'no' to these suggestions, I'd like to know what your thoughts are on this. So, speak up. Have a look at the code (look for #ifdef XHTML_DTD_... and #ifndef DISABLE_FRAMES) and tell me whether the savings in space are worth the added complexity... BTW, I do not mind either way... As always, look for the patch at http://www.geocities.com/ikbenfrank A new patch, with some new functionality (sorry Sebastian, functionality was added before you asked me not to add anything new...) will be ready soon. It improves upon the way frame margins are handled, adds an alternative for the find and load popup menu, and includes 'find as you type' (or 'incremental search'). Small parts of the patch (image menu, hand cursor, fixes to widgets) are slowly been added to CVS now. If you want to see the rest added as well, help me out and provide some feedback... Cheers//Frank -- WWWWW ________________________ ## o o\ / Frank de Lange \ }# \| / +46-734352015 \ \ `--| _/ <Hacker for Hire> \ `---' \ +31-640037120 / \ frank(a)unternet.org / `------------------------' [ "Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est." ]

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