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Re: [Dillo-dev]Compiling 0.8.0 Debian
by TBLittlefoot 24 Mar '04

24 Mar '04

> From pelzlpj(a)eecs.umich.edu Wed Mar 24 12:30:13 2004 > Subject: Re: [Dillo-dev]Compiling 0.8.0 Debian > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2004 at 11:13:08AM -0800, TBLittlefoot wrote: > > Thanks much. Having a rough time here. I've only used apt-get with the CDs > > (which are the only entries in my /etc/apt/sources.list) > > I get the feeling that your Debian CDs do not contain all the packages > you need. So you need some way to get the additional packages, and > downloading them one-by-one could be annoying. > > If you're using Debian stable (woody), then I suggest you add some > Debian mirrors to /etc/apt/sources.list. These lines should work: > > deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian stable main non-free contrib > deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free > deb http://security.debian.org/ woody/updates main contrib non-free > > If you leave the cdrom-related lines in sources.list, Apt will choose > files from the CD when possible, or grab them from the ftp mirrors > otherwise. > > You need to run "apt-get update" after adding these lines, in order to > update the list of packages from the mirrors. Then you can hopefully > run the "apt-get install <whatever>" commands that you have been trying. > > Paul > > That was very cool, Paul. I took the safe route and just mved my current sources.list to sources.list~ and then created a new one with the above entries and followed your directions (while connected to the internet). But, I jumped into attempting to compile 0.8.0 after reading Kelson's reply and just installing the glib-dev files then got these warnings from config: configure: WARNING: *** No libz found. Disabling PNG images *** configure: WARNING: *** No libjpeg found. Disabling jpeg images.*** So I guess I better delete the sources dir and start over again... Thanks a lot. I appreciate your patience here. I'm one of these weirdos that doesn't like to fondle plastic rodents :-) and wonder how difficult it would be to have an option that would number all the links on a page and allow one to enter that number instead of clicking on the link. I use w3m a lot for my-1st stage surfing, and it allows me to Tab down to a link and then hit Return, but that's pretty clumsy. (When I encounter a site needing a closer look, I bring up Dillo, although this would be easier, come to think of it, if I just used Dillo and disabled image downloading at first. That IS possible??) Later, Tom

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Re: [Dillo-dev]Compiling 0.8.0 Debian
by TBLittlefoot 24 Mar '04

24 Mar '04

Kelson and Madis, Thanks much. Having a rough time here. I've only used apt-get with the CDs (which are the only entries in my /etc/apt/sources.list) Everything went fine except.... apt-get install libpng2-dev Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: libpng2-dev: Depends: zlib1g-dev but it is not going to be installed E: Sorry, broken packages So then I did: apt-get install zlib1g-dev Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies: zlib1g-dev: Depends: zlib1g (= 1:1.1.3-18) but 1:1.1.4-1 is to be installed E: Sorry, broken packages So apparently I need zlib1g-dev_1.1.4-1.0woody0_i386.deb which matches my version of zlib1g and found it at ftp.debian.org but don't know where to go from here. Currently trying to make sense of the apt man pages :-) Tom

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[Dillo-dev]Compiling 0.8.0 Debian
by TBLittlefoot 24 Mar '04

24 Mar '04

Greetings Dillo People, I ran into a problem compiling Dillo from the latest tarball, and didn't want totarget anyone specifically, so I hope you don't mind me posting this here.... Been over and over the INSTALL file. I'm running 0.6.2-1, installed from the CDs with apt-get: (Debian 3.0 with kernel 2.4.19) Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-2), libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0), libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.10-2), libjpeg62, libpng2 (>= 1.0.12), x xlibs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.3)libs (>> 4.1.0), zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.3) Here's what happens when I run ./config for 0.8.0 ---------> #./configure checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu checking target system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c checking whether build environment is sane... yes checking for gawk... no checking for mawk... mawk checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes checking for gcc... gcc checking for C compiler default output... a.out checking whether the C compiler works... yes checking whether we are cross compiling... no checking for suffix of executables... checking for suffix of object files... o checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... none needed checking for style of include used by make... GNU checking dependency style of gcc... gcc checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... none needed checking for ranlib... ranlib checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E checking for gethostbyname... yes checking for setsockopt... yes checking for glib-config... no checking for GLIB - version >= 1.2.0... no *** The glib-config script installed by GLIB could not be found *** If GLIB was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in *** your path, or set the GLIB_CONFIG environment variable to the *** full path to glib-config. configure: error: Unable to find glib with a version >= 1.2.0. Dillo NEEDS glib endquote There's no glib/GLIB in any /bin on my box, and no file called glib-config. Would that be a file that would only exist if I had compiled libglib myself? The latest .deb is nowhere near what's available in the tarball and I want the latest. Nice browser, even as is. I dumped Skipstone for it. What am I doing wrong? Thanks, Tom

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[Dillo-dev]src/IO/Makefile.in missing
by Peter Wiehe 23 Mar '04

23 Mar '04

I tried to "./configure" dillo 0.8.0, but got this error: ... configure: creating ./config.status ... config.status: creating src/IO/Makefile config.status: error: cannot find input file: src/IO/Makefile.in Did this happen to other users (Dillo's fault)? Or is my Linux system messed up/my build tools have wrong versions (my fault)? If I would understand this autoconf stuff, I would know the answer and wouldn't bother You with this question. And if it's my system's fault, I don't expect You to help me out, of course. But maybe it's a Dillo bug? Kind regards Peter Wiehe

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[Dillo-dev]Mozilla (was src/IO/Makefile.in missing)
by Peter Wiehe 23 Mar '04

23 Mar '04

(I've taking the liberty to answer this private mail on the list. If that is against Your will, jump up and down and shout, and I will apologize.) > All of the above & I am not a programmer <grin>.. Thanks for the help especially as You aren't a programmer. IAAPBIHNCAAE I am a programmer but I have no clue about autoconf either :) I don't mean running ./configure but I mean writing/modifiying/understanding 'Makefile.in', 'depcomp', whatever. BTW I'm currently downloading Mozilla sources. Mozilla has definitively its good aspects. But the download says at the very start: 5.5 KB/sec :-) Time left 1 hour 15 minutes :-( 31380 KB :-o Anyone still believing Dillo is obsolete? ;-) Interesting to know that Internet Explorer and Mozilla use the same code base as ancestor! Did You know that? And I've taken a look at Zen another browser, circa the same size as Dillo. But Zen is unmaintained, C++ and most importantly, Dillo sources seem more nicely structured than Zen (from aesthetical and technical view). Kind regards Peter Wiehe

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Re: [Dillo-dev]src/IO/Makefile.in missing
by Peter Wiehe 23 Mar '04

23 Mar '04

On Monday 22 March 2004 00:39, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Peter Wiehe <peter_wiehe2004(a)yahoo.de> [03-21-04 18:34]: > > I tried to "./configure" dillo 0.8.0, but got this error: > > did you run 'autoconf' first ?? > I didn't. Docu gives the impression someone should and need not do this. I did it now. Have to update autoconf to 2.54+. If I have done so, the chances are good, that autoconf fixes my problem? > note: IANAP... I am not a person? Intel architecture notoriously abandons productivity? I ate Nachos and Pizza?

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[Dillo-dev]Re.: /src/IO/Makefile.in missing/Dillo obsolete?
by Achim Woellgens 22 Mar '04

22 Mar '04

Hi folks, well seems to be first kind of THAT kind of problems ; my compiling went very well, no probs even to more "exotic" installation pathes than usual ;-) so no Makefile missing..... and secondly Dillo is not obsolete because I still appreciate a small and FAST browser for surfing pages not overloaded with (java-) scripts or pictures till doomsday comes... so keep goin please, this thing is damn good so far... just waiting, what othere features will be included in he future, will be online banking possible one day? bye Achim dillo-dev-request(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de wrote: >Send Dillo-dev mailing list submissions to > dillo-dev(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > dillo-dev-request(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de > >You can reach the person managing the list at > dillo-dev-admin(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Dillo-dev digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. src/IO/Makefile.in missing (Peter Wiehe) > 2. Re: src/IO/Makefile.in missing (Peter Wiehe) > 3. Re: src/IO/Makefile.in missing (Jorge Arellano Cid) > 4. Mozilla (was src/IO/Makefile.in missing) (Peter Wiehe) > 5. Re: src/IO/Makefile.in missing (Peter Wiehe) > >--__--__-- > >Message: 1 >From: Peter Wiehe <peter_wiehe2004(a)yahoo.de> >To: dillo-dev(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 00:26:13 +0100 >Subject: [Dillo-dev]src/IO/Makefile.in missing > >I tried to "./configure" dillo 0.8.0, but got this error: > >=2E.. >configure: creating ./config.status >=2E.. >config.status: creating src/IO/Makefile >config.status: error: cannot find input file: src/IO/Makefile.in > >Did this happen to other users (Dillo's fault)? Or is my Linux system mes= >sed=20 >up/my build tools have wrong versions (my fault)? >If I would understand this autoconf stuff, I would know the answer and=20 >wouldn't bother You with this question. And if it's my system's fault, I=20 >don't expect You to help me out, of course. But maybe it's a Dillo bug? > >Kind regards >Peter Wiehe > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 2 >From: Peter Wiehe <peter_wiehe2004(a)yahoo.de> >To: Patrick Shanahan <pat(a)wahoo.no-ip.org>, > dillo-dev(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de >Subject: Re: [Dillo-dev]src/IO/Makefile.in missing >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 00:47:27 +0100 > >On Monday 22 March 2004 00:39, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > > >>* Peter Wiehe <peter_wiehe2004(a)yahoo.de> [03-21-04 18:34]: >> >> >>>I tried to "./configure" dillo 0.8.0, but got this error: >>> >>> >>did you run 'autoconf' first ?? >> >> >> >I didn't. Docu gives the impression someone should and need not do this. >I did it now. Have to update autoconf to 2.54+. If I have done so, the=20 >chances are good, that autoconf fixes my problem? > > > >>note: IANAP... >> >> >I am not a person? Intel architecture notoriously abandons productivity? >I ate Nachos and Pizza? > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 3 >Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 20:56:54 -0400 (CLT) >From: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org> >To: Dillo mailing list <dillo-dev(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de> >Subject: Re: [Dillo-dev]src/IO/Makefile.in missing > > > >On Tue, 23 Mar 2004, Peter Wiehe wrote: > > > >>I tried to "./configure" dillo 0.8.0, but got this error: >> >>... >>configure: creating ./config.status >>... >>config.status: creating src/IO/Makefile >>config.status: error: cannot find input file: src/IO/Makefile.in >> >>Did this happen to other users (Dillo's fault)? Or is my Linux system messed >>up/my build tools have wrong versions (my fault)? >> >> > > The file is in the tarball: > >-rw-r--r-- 1000/100 12293 2004-02-08 09:57:37 dillo-0.8.0/src/IO/Makefile.in > > but not in your HD... > > > >>If I would understand this autoconf stuff, I would know the answer and >>wouldn't bother You with this question. And if it's my system's fault, I >>don't expect You to help me out, of course. But maybe it's a Dillo bug? >> >> > > You're the first person to complain! > > If you took 0.8.0 from CVS, just run ./autogen.sh before ./configure > > Cheers > Jorge.- > > > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 4 >From: Peter Wiehe <peter_wiehe2004(a)yahoo.de> >To: Patrick Shanahan <pat(a)wahoo.no-ip.org>, > Dillo mailing list <dillo-dev(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de> >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 04:47:54 +0100 >Subject: [Dillo-dev]Mozilla (was src/IO/Makefile.in missing) > >(I've taking the liberty to answer this private mail on the list. If that= > is=20 >against Your will, jump up and down and shout, and I will apologize.) > > > >>All of the above & I am not a programmer <grin>.. >> >> >Thanks for the help especially as You aren't a programmer. > >IAAPBIHNCAAE >I am a programmer but I have no clue about autoconf either :) >I don't mean running ./configure but I mean writing/modifiying/understand= >ing=20 >'Makefile.in', 'depcomp', whatever. > >BTW I'm currently downloading Mozilla sources. Mozilla has definitively i= >ts=20 >good aspects. But the download says at the very start: >5.5 KB/sec :-) >Time left 1 hour 15 minutes :-( >31380 KB :-o >Anyone still believing Dillo is obsolete? ;-) > >Interesting to know that Internet Explorer and Mozilla use the same code=20 >base as ancestor! Did You know that? > >And I've taken a look at Zen another browser, circa the same size as Dill= >o. >But Zen is unmaintained, C++ and most importantly, Dillo sources seem mor= >e=20 >nicely structured than Zen (from aesthetical and technical view). > >Kind regards >Peter Wiehe > > >--__--__-- > >Message: 5 >From: Peter Wiehe <peter_wiehe2004(a)yahoo.de> >To: Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org>, > Dillo mailing list <dillo-dev(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de> >Subject: Re: [Dillo-dev]src/IO/Makefile.in missing >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 04:48:52 +0100 > >On Monday 22 March 2004 01:56, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote: > > >> The file is in the tarball: >> >>-rw-r--r-- 1000/100 12293 2004-02-08 09:57:37 >>dillo-0.8.0/src/IO/Makefile.in >> >> but not in your HD... >>[...] >> >> >>>If I would understand this autoconf stuff, I would know the answer an= >>> >>> >d > > >>>wouldn't bother You with this question. And if it's my system's fault= >>> >>> >, > > >>>I don't expect You to help me out, of course. But maybe it's a Dillo >>>bug? >>> >>> >> You're the first person to complain! >> >> >I downloaded, extracted, read install and readme, then run ./configure. >So maybe it's lost at the download. Or maybe some of my software has a bu= >g >(I already have a candidate: Linux FAT-FS). But anyway it's my fault from= >=20 >Dillo's point of view. Because a file being no there which should be alre= >ady=20 >there, that would have lead to many reports. So I download it again.=20 >That should fix it. Thanks. > > > >> If you took 0.8.0 from CVS, just run ./autogen.sh before ./configure >> >> >No, wasn't from CVS. > >Kind regards >Peter Wiehe > > > >--__--__-- > >_______________________________________________ >Dillo-dev mailing list >Dillo-dev(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de >http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev > > >End of Dillo-dev Digest > > >

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[Dillo-dev]Re: pixmaps.netscape.h
by Jorge Arellano Cid 15 Mar '04

15 Mar '04

On Tue, 9 Mar 2004, Erik Sittmann wrote: > Hello Jorge, Hi. > attached an updated 'pixmaps.netscape.h' for dillo-0.8.0. Oh, thanks. I just noticed the toolbar icons page was complitely out of sync. After some work, now all the icon sets are up-to-date. I didn't update the screenshots, though, but I'll gladly accept if someone volunteers to send me a package with an updated set of images (all with the same GTK+ theme please). Cheers Jorge.-

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[Dillo-dev]Hello
by Diriel 13 Mar '04

13 Mar '04

Hi Everyone, I heard of dillo recently when installing Gentoo linux. I was browsing their software. I am a Big fan of small efficient tools of most any kind. Dillo has definately made a fan of me. For daily usage I generally use FireFox, but when im setting up a box on very limited resources, generally I will set things up as lightweight as possible. A Big Thank You for Dillo. Ok, ill be good and stay on topic here on out /grin. Gary

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[Dillo-dev]Re: dillo / fltk
by Jorge Arellano Cid 12 Mar '04

12 Mar '04

On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Matt wrote: > > Hi Jorge, Hi Matt! > > I just visited your dillo web pages (by a hint from the FLTK mailing > list) and I have to say, you guys got something great going there! Thanks. It's great you liked it because we could make it even better by porting to FLTK! > > I saw mentioned that you are checking the feasibility of using FLTK > (replacing or adding to gtk?). The idea is to replace GTK+. (In a nutshell, GTK2 got too big and slow to suit our needs). You can find interesting threads in our mailing list about the FLTK port issue. For instance, go to: http://www.dillo.org/search-dillo-dev.html And search for "FLTK" by "jcid" sorted by "Relevance". This will not only bring my posts but also the ones from Michael Sweet that I forwarded to dillo-dev. > FLTK on the other side is lacking a > good browser, or even just a browser interface. So I believe that > dillo/FLTK would be a great combination. Yes. The only thing that scared me a bit about FLTK's help viewer is that it is too slow, even for very simple pages. For instance vertical scrolling is much slower than what we get with GTK1 by now. Considering FLTK's reputation for speed, and after looking at the demo programs (as "scroll"), I feel it should be possible to improve page scrolling speed. > > Anyway, I am one of the FLTK core developers and cross platform porter, > and I would like to offer you my support in connecting FLTK and dillo. Excellent! Do you plan to work as an advisor, a porting core-developer or the port's leader? :) After reading Sebastian's comments, there seems to be no major obstacle to start the porting effort. What we'd need is to coordinate the communication of specific knowledge: Sebastian and Dw, me and network2parser and parser2widgets, you and FLTK. > Pleas let me know what you think, I think it's great to have one of the core developers of FLTK in the porting team! Technically, I see two ways of making the port: (I'll concentrate on the HTML rendering part because the UI port should be pretty easy in comparison). Rendering port alternatives: 1) Port Dw to FLTK 2) Make a pure FLTK widget tree (convert Dw into FLTK analogs) Maybe the first is easier in the short term, but I'd much prefer the second one because: * Having a custom widget system (Dw) that's embedded into FLTK and that also embedds native FLTK widgets is a very complex scenery that requires too much knowledge to work with (BTW that's what we currently have with Dw/GTK+). * If we can push the positioning/resizing/rendering complexity into FLTK's internal mechanism, it would simplify a lot the task (less complex algorithms, less code, less intertoolkit sync) * If we end we a pure FLTK tree (with its parser), it could be easily reused by the FLTK community, and this also leads to easier maintenance because more developers would be deploying it and helping to improve and fix bugs. One of the main points of Dillo's speed is streamed rendering. That is the ability to show the page as it is being constucted. I assume this is possible with FLTK. The way this works is by letting the parser to build the widget tree as it gets the HTML building blocks. By far, the most complex part is table rendering (because you don't know the table size in advance (i.e. each cell size). This means that cells start to resize and affect their rows and hence the table itself. OTOH, I have hopes in FLTK's internal mechanism. Fl_Group manual says: "It is possible to achieve any type of resize behavior by using an invisible Fl_Box as the resizable and/or by using a hierarchy of child Fl_Group's." and Michael S. wrote: <q> The current FLTK layout mechanism is infinitely flexible, but takes a little getting used to since there are no layout "hints", just resizeable widgets inside groups. In short, you group widgets (and sometimes create empty "box" widgets) to get the layout behavior you want. This is actually a lot faster than the older Motif-style layout stuff that GTK+ uses... There are specialized group widgets (Fl_Pack, Fl_Tile, etc.) that provide for special positioning/resizing capabilities separate from the user resizing the window. </q> So, the way I'd start is by trying to make a FLTK widget (set) that's able to draw generic HTML tables whose content is initially limited to be text only. This means, having HTML test files, a simple parser and the widget tree construction logic. When this is ready, images are added (images are a very good example of resizing cells). After that, a generic HTML content widget should be defined, and it would be a matter of adding support for the missing HTML elements (a much simpler task). In parallel with this last stage, Dillo's UI could be ported and finally merge both to have the first FLTK prototype of Dillo! Looking forward to hear from you Jorge.- PS: Feel free to forward this to the FLTK mailing list.

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