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Re: [SFD-discuss] OpenSource in higher education

by Marcello Sales

Hi Alexander, For the university experience, I would mention the experiences of our M.S. program at San Francisco State University (SFSU), since the contents include Distributed and Collaborative software Engineering in Education, you could check a group at Java.net, where a growing number of universities are joining... https://distributedcollaboration.dev.java.net/ Last semester we had a class format at SFSU, part of a nice project with undergrad and graduate students from other Florida, California and Germany... All was using only open-source tools... The motivations behind this class is that the instructors (Software Engineer Professors) would play the role of CEOs or CTOs, and divide the classes into teams that may compete to develop the same tool or different modules to a given tool... It would have to take into account if students are undergraduate or graduate students for that matter, but the classes would basically cover the core of Software Engineering and life-cycle management, etc... Different instructors have introduced different approaches... One of the students has wrapped up his M.S. thesis on this subject as well... I'm a M.S. student who was a team learder for PPM (http://ppm.dev.java.net) part of group 8 (http://ppm-8.dev.java.net) and I can say that this was a very interesting approach to learn and experience what the real world is... I think the motivations can very, different students with real-world experience could share a lot on this format, but I would blend important research papers as well (including the Cathedral & the Bazar for example, among others)... That could drive the motivations on the OSS community... I wish I could have done my undergraduate Software Engineering class using such type of approach... -- Best Regards, Marcello de Sales - Software Engineer ( ( _)__) M.S. in Computer Science Graduate Student .-"( `-..-. |`-._` _.-'| ) Department of Computer Science L "" J / | JEE5 |.' San Francisco State University (SFSU) .-J Dev F-. ( `-.___.-' ) San Francisco, California 94132 `-._________.-' Board Member of the SF Bay area ACM Group __ __) __ (, /| /| /) /) (__/ ) /) / | / | _ __ __ // // / _ // _ _ ) / |/ |_(_(_/ (_(___(/_(/_(/_(_) ) / (_(_(/__(/_/_)_ (_/ http://userwww.sfsu.edu/~msales<http://userwww.sfsu.edu/%7Emsales> (_/ "Brick walls are not there to keep us out. The Brick Walls are there to give us a chance to show how badly we want something. The Brick Walls are there to stop the people who don't want it badly. They are there to stop OTHER people."~ Randy Pausch On Thu, Feb 26, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Bruce Mathew <brucemathew(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Dear friend > > Please also include Opensource Software usage in research along with your > stuff. > > Bruce mathew > kerala > > > > On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Pia Waugh <greebo(a)pipka.org> wrote: > >> Hi Alexander, >> >> <quote who="Alexander.Trubin(a)sun.com"> >> >> > I'm now preparing for a talk at Urals State Technical University >> > (Russia) about OpenSource usage in Higher Education, >> > so if anyone have some thoughts about what should be covered in this >> > broad topic your help would be greatly appreciated. >> >> I was involved in a research project which looked at this in Australia: >> >> http://ask-oss.mq.edu.au/ >> >> There are loads of both case studies, and links to OSS in HE all around >> the >> world. >> >> Also, check out the UK equivalent (although, they are much more awesome >> than >> ASK-OSS :) >> >> http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/ >> >> Good luck! >> >> Cheers, >> Pia >> >> -- >> OLPC Friends >> http://olpcfriends.org/ >> Linux Australia >> http://linux.org.au/ >> Open Source Industry Australia >> http://osia.net.au/ >> Software Freedom Day >> http://softwarefreedomday.org/ >> >> "There is no darkness but ignorance." - William Shakespeare >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> > > > > -- > With regards .... > > Bruce Mathew, > Sr Lecturer & Placement Officer > Secretary, Free Open Software Cell > MCA Department, Union Christian College > Aluva 683102 Kerala . > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Ph: 91-484-2603533 > Mob: 919447209932 > =============================================================== > Microsoft is not the answer; Microsoft is the question. Avoid the Gates of > Hell. Use Linux > =============================================================== > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > >

Feb. 27, 2009

Re: [SFD-discuss] OpenSource in higher education

by Bruce Mathew

Dear friend Please also include Opensource Software usage in research along with your stuff. Bruce mathew kerala On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 10:35 AM, Pia Waugh <greebo(a)pipka.org> wrote: > Hi Alexander, > > <quote who="Alexander.Trubin(a)sun.com"> > > > I'm now preparing for a talk at Urals State Technical University > > (Russia) about OpenSource usage in Higher Education, > > so if anyone have some thoughts about what should be covered in this > > broad topic your help would be greatly appreciated. > > I was involved in a research project which looked at this in Australia: > > http://ask-oss.mq.edu.au/ > > There are loads of both case studies, and links to OSS in HE all around the > world. > > Also, check out the UK equivalent (although, they are much more awesome > than > ASK-OSS :) > > http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/ > > Good luck! > > Cheers, > Pia > > -- > OLPC Friends > http://olpcfriends.org/ > Linux Australia > http://linux.org.au/ > Open Source Industry Australia > http://osia.net.au/ > Software Freedom Day > http://softwarefreedomday.org/ > > "There is no darkness but ignorance." - William Shakespeare > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > -- With regards .... Bruce Mathew, Sr Lecturer & Placement Officer Secretary, Free Open Software Cell MCA Department, Union Christian College Aluva 683102 Kerala . ------------------------------------------------------------------ Ph: 91-484-2603533 Mob: 919447209932 =============================================================== Microsoft is not the answer; Microsoft is the question. Avoid the Gates of Hell. Use Linux ===============================================================

Feb. 27, 2009

Re: [SFD-discuss] OpenSource in higher education

by Pia Waugh

Hi Alexander, <quote who="Alexander.Trubin(a)sun.com"> > I'm now preparing for a talk at Urals State Technical University > (Russia) about OpenSource usage in Higher Education, > so if anyone have some thoughts about what should be covered in this > broad topic your help would be greatly appreciated. I was involved in a research project which looked at this in Australia: http://ask-oss.mq.edu.au/ There are loads of both case studies, and links to OSS in HE all around the world. Also, check out the UK equivalent (although, they are much more awesome than ASK-OSS :) http://www.oss-watch.ac.uk/ Good luck! Cheers, Pia -- OLPC Friends http://olpcfriends.org/ Linux Australia http://linux.org.au/ Open Source Industry Australia http://osia.net.au/ Software Freedom Day http://softwarefreedomday.org/ "There is no darkness but ignorance." - William Shakespeare

Feb. 27, 2009

Re: [SFD-discuss] OpenSource in higher education

by Kevin Cole

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 07:43, Alexander.Trubin(a)sun.com <Alexander.Trubin(a)sun.com> wrote: > I'm now preparing for a talk at Urals State Technical University > (Russia) about OpenSource usage in Higher Education, > so if anyone have some thoughts about what should be covered in this > broad topic your help would be greatly appreciated. Who's your audience? Students? Administrators? Faculty? The Great Unwashed? Not that this will be any help to you at all... "Back when dinosaurs ruled the earth, a Tower of Babel was built. God smote the arrogant and the result was EBCDIC, 7-bit ASCII, 8-bit ASCII, SIXBIT, etc. And computers could not talk to each other." ;-) When I'm talking to the unwashed masses, I like to start out by trying to get them to see the conflict that arises from incompatible data formats right down to the codes used for character encoding, and then discuss open, standard formats vs. proprietary formats. It's not a perfect discussion, since I don't usually talk about PDF, which isn't completely unencumbered, but works well across multiple platforms. For those old enough to have used WordPerfect and still miss it, I often say two words: "Reveal Codes" and it becomes clear to them why being able to look at and modify source at a deeper level is a very good thing. Once there's some recognition of standard forms of communication -- Unicode, the "net" (with a superficial mention of TCP/IP as the mechanism for that), etc, talk about images, video and audio and the proprietary software and licensing required for some of those. Then, finally, move into code, having laid the groundwork for data sharing as a way to increase the body of knowledge, state of the art, etc, etc. If this makes little sense, I blame the cold medicine I'm taking. ;-) -- Ubuntu Linux DC LoCo Washington, DC http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/

Feb. 25, 2009

Re: [SFD-discuss] OpenSource in higher education

by Alexander.Trubin＠sun.com

Thank you, very interesting start. I want to split my talk in two parts, which have a lot in common. The first is for young developers who want to know, what are the opportunities and difficulties in open source environment. Not only taking part in big projects, but also starting their own, maybe for solving some university infrastructure tasks. The second is about IT architecture of the university and some common solutions, which is for students interested in integrating distinct pieces of software in one solid infrastructure. The first one would be 2/3, the second would be like a small review. Now i'm working on a new project regarding university computer network, and just everything you said is on my topic list. Matching grants in Europe works great, and we have two T2-based bladeservers. and all non-technical problems are the same here in Russia, may be even worse. I'm now reading papers,books, guides at Educause, and it helps a lot, but doesn't cover opensource well. May be i missed something? Lars Noodén пишет: > Alexander.Trubin(a)sun.com wrote: > >> Hello all, >> I'm now preparing for a talk at Urals State Technical University >> (Russia) about OpenSource usage in Higher Education, >> so if anyone have some thoughts about what should be covered in this >> broad topic your help would be greatly appreciated. >> > > It's *very* broad. Where there any particular aspects you had in mind? > Desktop? Development? Infrastructure? Standards? (e.g. TCP/IP, > OpenGL, Kerberos) > > Most everything in major use out there is or is derived from FOSS and > developed at universities. > > Keberos+LDAP -> NDS -> (broken) AD -> Samba/Kerberos(Heimdal|MIT)/OpenLDAP > NCSA httpd -> Apache -> various > NCSA Mosaic -> MSIE/Mozilla -> Firefox > BSD -> Cisco/Juniper > BSD + SystemV -> Solaris > BSD + GNU -> Darwin > GNU > Linux > X > Bind -> various > Sendmail -> various > SSH > > So for SSO at large institutions, you have Kerberos+OpenLDAP, > for small insititutions, Samba > > For networked storage at large institutions you have OpenAFS, > for small institutions, Samba. I'm not sure where ZFS fits, but it's > quite interesting, too. > > For mail, even institutions afflicted with MS Exchange[1], usually run a > FOSS server as a front end to mitigate damage from loss due to MS > Exchange. > > Radmind is often used to manage large numbers of identical desktops. > > Apache almost goes without saying. But on top of that you often have > Moodle, Plone, Drupal or any number of tools. > > There are also even open hardware specifications: > http://www.sparc.org/aboutOverview.html > > Like anywhere else, you will find FOSS heavily used at most higher > education institutions, regardless of whether the CTOs acknowledge or > even know about it. > > or do you mean non-technical problems like graft, collusion, vendor > retaliation and willful negligence? For example, I am apparently not > the only one who constantly runs across illegal tenders: > http://www.osor.eu/news/many-software-tenders-in-eu-illegal > > or management problems like stonewalling (run the academic clock out), > denial of service (usually network or firewall), endless procurement > meetings (except for certain vendors), passing the buck, mergers, > re-orgs, etc. all to block technology? > > Regards > -Lars > > PS. Is the matching grants program available in Europe? If so, it > would be nice for more visibility at least for the Sparc-based hardware. > > [1] > http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+TA+P5-TA-2… > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

Feb. 25, 2009

Re: [SFD-discuss] OpenSource in higher education

by Lars Noodén

Alexander.Trubin(a)sun.com wrote: > Hello all, > I'm now preparing for a talk at Urals State Technical University > (Russia) about OpenSource usage in Higher Education, > so if anyone have some thoughts about what should be covered in this > broad topic your help would be greatly appreciated. It's *very* broad. Where there any particular aspects you had in mind? Desktop? Development? Infrastructure? Standards? (e.g. TCP/IP, OpenGL, Kerberos) Most everything in major use out there is or is derived from FOSS and developed at universities. Keberos+LDAP -> NDS -> (broken) AD -> Samba/Kerberos(Heimdal|MIT)/OpenLDAP NCSA httpd -> Apache -> various NCSA Mosaic -> MSIE/Mozilla -> Firefox BSD -> Cisco/Juniper BSD + SystemV -> Solaris BSD + GNU -> Darwin GNU Linux X Bind -> various Sendmail -> various SSH So for SSO at large institutions, you have Kerberos+OpenLDAP, for small insititutions, Samba For networked storage at large institutions you have OpenAFS, for small institutions, Samba. I'm not sure where ZFS fits, but it's quite interesting, too. For mail, even institutions afflicted with MS Exchange[1], usually run a FOSS server as a front end to mitigate damage from loss due to MS Exchange. Radmind is often used to manage large numbers of identical desktops. Apache almost goes without saying. But on top of that you often have Moodle, Plone, Drupal or any number of tools. There are also even open hardware specifications: http://www.sparc.org/aboutOverview.html Like anywhere else, you will find FOSS heavily used at most higher education institutions, regardless of whether the CTOs acknowledge or even know about it. or do you mean non-technical problems like graft, collusion, vendor retaliation and willful negligence? For example, I am apparently not the only one who constantly runs across illegal tenders: http://www.osor.eu/news/many-software-tenders-in-eu-illegal or management problems like stonewalling (run the academic clock out), denial of service (usually network or firewall), endless procurement meetings (except for certain vendors), passing the buck, mergers, re-orgs, etc. all to block technology? Regards -Lars PS. Is the matching grants program available in Europe? If so, it would be nice for more visibility at least for the Sparc-based hardware. [1] http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+TA+P5-TA-2…

Feb. 25, 2009

OpenSource in higher education

by Alexander.Trubin＠sun.com

Hello all, I'm now preparing for a talk at Urals State Technical University (Russia) about OpenSource usage in Higher Education, so if anyone have some thoughts about what should be covered in this broad topic your help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

Feb. 25, 2009

Re: [SFD-discuss] Schwags this year

by Thilo Pfennig

Frederic Muller schrieb: > Team members count and potential size is impossible to verify for us > before, during and after the event. The only fair thing we can do is > send the same amount to everyone. What about asking about < 100 or > 100 people event ? > We might change our wiki and a few other things to provide a better > experience to everyone. Yeah maybe I am helping with this. regards, thilo

Feb. 17, 2009

Re: [SFD-discuss] Schwags this year

by Frederic Muller

Dear Lars, As always (and obviously not clearly enough mentioned) SFD happens the 3rd Saturday of September, ie Saturday 19th, September 2009 this year. We also had plans to archive the site last year and have clear yearly grouping. Unfortunately due to technical difficulties everything got delayed so much that we even had problems to open the registration on time. We're planning for some technical changes this year and that is probably one of them (thanks for mentioning - not me doing the job, but 'he' is reading attentively). Fred Lars Noodén wrote: > Frederic Muller wrote: > >> We didn't open registrations for 2009. >> > > What is the date for the 2009 event? > http://softwarefreedomday.org/ > > Also, if you notice in the URL above, nearly all of the links for the > 2008 even do not have the digits "2008" anywhere in the URL. That will > make it hard, if not impossible, to preserve a record of past events, > which will be useful for many reasons. So, it might be good to begin > using URLs that don't have to be overwritten every year. > > Can we have all 2009 pages on the SFD site use /2009/ somewhere in the > address? > > Regards, > -Lars > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > >

Feb. 16, 2009

Re: [SFD-discuss] Schwags this year

by Lars Noodén

Frederic Muller wrote: > We didn't open registrations for 2009. What is the date for the 2009 event? http://softwarefreedomday.org/ Also, if you notice in the URL above, nearly all of the links for the 2008 even do not have the digits "2008" anywhere in the URL. That will make it hard, if not impossible, to preserve a record of past events, which will be useful for many reasons. So, it might be good to begin using URLs that don't have to be overwritten every year. Can we have all 2009 pages on the SFD site use /2009/ somewhere in the address? Regards, -Lars

Feb. 16, 2009