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Re: [SFD-discuss] SDF on Social Media?

by Ali Reza Hayati

Well social networks are one of the ways of course. Don't get me wrong, I don't plan to have a day for people who already know about software freedom. I and Mostafa are in Iran and Afghanistan and we (with some other friends) are already planning the celebration for the day. I happily will do what I can for sure. I just expressed my opinion about how important it is. And about using Twitter and stuff, I have nothing against people who use it. I won't do anything about it, I just will feel sorry. I think using them is not good but well if it's a way to promote digital rights and software libre, I'm down. I won't use it myself but I won't criticize the decision either. On 9/1/20 12:15 AM, Jurgen Gaeremyn wrote: > Hi all, > > I like open social media. But if that's our only outlet to promote SFD, > we're preaching to the choir. If you want to reach people who aren't > knee deep into open source software, you need to be where they are. > Doesn't make sense preaching safe sex to an audience committed to celibacy. > Doesn't make sense preaching safe hex to an audience commited to digibacy. > > Secondly, I'm much in favor of the principle of doing: if you think it's > important, please do it. If nobody is willing to invest the time into > building up the open social media buzz around SFD, If some people are > willing to promote SFD on facebook, twitter or even linkedin... great! > > Especially since everybody in the organization is volunteer... nobody is > in a position to set expectations and standards to anybody except to > him- or herself. > > So Mostafa or Ali... if you think it's important, offer your help. I'm > pretty convinced Fred will accept your help with both hands. > > Greetings, > Jurgen > > > On 31/08/2020 16:00, Ali Reza Hayati wrote: >> Hi y'all, >> I hope you're well. >> >> I don't think that's a personal matter. SFD is to attract people to the concept of software freedom and digital rights so we actually should be active about it. >> >> I agree with Mostafa on this matter. Lot of social networks went down and up but it's not a reason to stop using them. Doesn't matter whether something is stable or not, if it's proprietary, we shouldn't use it. At least for the sake of publicity of our belief. >> >> On August 31, 2020 1:36:12 PM UTC, Frederic Muller - DFF <fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org> wrote: >>> Hi! >>> >>> Thank you for asking. I am not a fan of Social Media. Pockey usually >>> handles our Social Media accounts (though I think I'm supposed to do >>> Twitter...). I really have little interest in Twitter so... that answers >>> question No.1 >>> >>> Now young man (I have no idea really...), over the year we've seen free >>> sotfware social media platforms going up and down. After a while I think >>> we just got tired of switching to whatever was the latest and greatest. >>> >>> Now this is probably a deeper discussion but maybe it is time for us on >>> the board to transition over to a new team of people. We've been >>> thinking about it for the past year+ and it will probably be something >>> on the agenda after SFD 2020. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Fred >>> >>> On 8/31/20 7:25 PM, Mostafa Ahangarha wrote: >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> I wanted to know more about the policies of FSD official website >>>> regarding social media. There are two questions: >>>> >>>> * Why SFD social media account on twitter is not active? It is not >>>> leading actor in propagation of SFD. >>>> * Why SFD has no official account on Fediverse and in particular on >>>> Mastodon? Not asking to leave twitter but like FSF, the main account >>>> should be on some FLOSS platform. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Mostafa Ahangarha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > -- Ali Reza Hayati / alirezahayati.com PGP: 6ACD 8BF4 4109 E852 96B7 2F20 6118 CCE2 1080 D0E2

Aug. 31, 2020

Re: [SFD-discuss] SDF on Social Media?

by Jurgen Gaeremyn

Hi all, I like open social media. But if that's our only outlet to promote SFD, we're preaching to the choir. If you want to reach people who aren't knee deep into open source software, you need to be where they are. Doesn't make sense preaching safe sex to an audience committed to celibacy. Doesn't make sense preaching safe hex to an audience commited to digibacy. Secondly, I'm much in favor of the principle of doing: if you think it's important, please do it. If nobody is willing to invest the time into building up the open social media buzz around SFD, If some people are willing to promote SFD on facebook, twitter or even linkedin... great! Especially since everybody in the organization is volunteer... nobody is in a position to set expectations and standards to anybody except to him- or herself. So Mostafa or Ali... if you think it's important, offer your help. I'm pretty convinced Fred will accept your help with both hands. Greetings, Jurgen On 31/08/2020 16:00, Ali Reza Hayati wrote: > Hi y'all, > I hope you're well. > > I don't think that's a personal matter. SFD is to attract people to the concept of software freedom and digital rights so we actually should be active about it. > > I agree with Mostafa on this matter. Lot of social networks went down and up but it's not a reason to stop using them. Doesn't matter whether something is stable or not, if it's proprietary, we shouldn't use it. At least for the sake of publicity of our belief. > > On August 31, 2020 1:36:12 PM UTC, Frederic Muller - DFF <fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org> wrote: >> Hi! >> >> Thank you for asking. I am not a fan of Social Media. Pockey usually >> handles our Social Media accounts (though I think I'm supposed to do >> Twitter...). I really have little interest in Twitter so... that answers >> question No.1 >> >> Now young man (I have no idea really...), over the year we've seen free >> sotfware social media platforms going up and down. After a while I think >> we just got tired of switching to whatever was the latest and greatest. >> >> Now this is probably a deeper discussion but maybe it is time for us on >> the board to transition over to a new team of people. We've been >> thinking about it for the past year+ and it will probably be something >> on the agenda after SFD 2020. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Fred >> >> On 8/31/20 7:25 PM, Mostafa Ahangarha wrote: >>> Hi >>> >>> I wanted to know more about the policies of FSD official website >>> regarding social media. There are two questions: >>> >>> * Why SFD social media account on twitter is not active? It is not >>> leading actor in propagation of SFD. >>> * Why SFD has no official account on Fediverse and in particular on >>> Mastodon? Not asking to leave twitter but like FSF, the main account >>> should be on some FLOSS platform. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Mostafa Ahangarha >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss

Aug. 31, 2020

Re: [SFD-discuss] SDF on Social Media?

by Ali Reza Hayati

Hi y'all, I hope you're well. I don't think that's a personal matter. SFD is to attract people to the concept of software freedom and digital rights so we actually should be active about it. I agree with Mostafa on this matter. Lot of social networks went down and up but it's not a reason to stop using them. Doesn't matter whether something is stable or not, if it's proprietary, we shouldn't use it. At least for the sake of publicity of our belief. On August 31, 2020 1:36:12 PM UTC, Frederic Muller - DFF <fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org> wrote: >Hi! > >Thank you for asking. I am not a fan of Social Media. Pockey usually >handles our Social Media accounts (though I think I'm supposed to do >Twitter...). I really have little interest in Twitter so... that answers >question No.1 > >Now young man (I have no idea really...), over the year we've seen free >sotfware social media platforms going up and down. After a while I think >we just got tired of switching to whatever was the latest and greatest. > >Now this is probably a deeper discussion but maybe it is time for us on >the board to transition over to a new team of people. We've been >thinking about it for the past year+ and it will probably be something >on the agenda after SFD 2020. > >Thank you. > >Fred > >On 8/31/20 7:25 PM, Mostafa Ahangarha wrote: >> Hi >> >> I wanted to know more about the policies of FSD official website >> regarding social media. There are two questions: >> >> * Why SFD social media account on twitter is not active? It is not >> leading actor in propagation of SFD. >> * Why SFD has no official account on Fediverse and in particular on >> Mastodon? Not asking to leave twitter but like FSF, the main account >> should be on some FLOSS platform. >> >> Regards, >> Mostafa Ahangarha >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> > > >_______________________________________________ >SFD-discuss mailing list >SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss -- Ali Reza Hayati / alirezahayati.com PGP: 6ACD 8BF4 4109 E852 96B7 2F20 6118 CCE2 1080 D0E2

Aug. 31, 2020

Re: [SFD-discuss] SDF on Social Media?

by Frederic Muller - DFF

Hi! Thank you for asking. I am not a fan of Social Media. Pockey usually handles our Social Media accounts (though I think I'm supposed to do Twitter...). I really have little interest in Twitter so... that answers question No.1 Now young man (I have no idea really...), over the year we've seen free sotfware social media platforms going up and down. After a while I think we just got tired of switching to whatever was the latest and greatest. Now this is probably a deeper discussion but maybe it is time for us on the board to transition over to a new team of people. We've been thinking about it for the past year+ and it will probably be something on the agenda after SFD 2020. Thank you. Fred On 8/31/20 7:25 PM, Mostafa Ahangarha wrote: > Hi > > I wanted to know more about the policies of FSD official website > regarding social media. There are two questions: > > * Why SFD social media account on twitter is not active? It is not > leading actor in propagation of SFD. > * Why SFD has no official account on Fediverse and in particular on > Mastodon? Not asking to leave twitter but like FSF, the main account > should be on some FLOSS platform. > > Regards, > Mostafa Ahangarha > > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

Aug. 31, 2020

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-discuss Digest, Vol 118, Issue 13

by LM

On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 8:00 AM SFD-discuss posted: > https://github.com/Haivision/srt/blob/master/LICENSE have been under MPLv2 > but https://github.com/Edward-Wu/srt-live-server/blob/master/LICENSE is > under MIT which is not a compatible Free Software License. > > If you have to blend these 2 to meet your purpose then you are not using > Free Software anymore but the blend will become a proprietary one. Freedom > once compromised then you are not having the freedom anymore brother. :) I thought MIT license was compatible with GNU GPL. It's in the list of licenses marked green on https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html#X11License It says FSF recommends Apache 2.0 over this license, but it's still compatible with GNU GPL licenses. I wish the FSF list was more specific over the licenses like the OSI is ( https://opensource.org/licenses/MIT ). It would be nice if they linked to the license text to confirm they are discussing the same license you're reading. By the way, both MPLv2 and MIT are OSI approved licenses. I know both the MinGW-w64 and the MinGW projects chose to move to MIT license for their runtime and API libraries and are using it with the GNU compiler (GPL license). Are you saying that if you use MPLv2 with MIT that it's no longer GPL compatible? Because either license on its own with code that's GPL is compatible. MPLv1.1 is an issue with GPL, but many projects switched to 2 to avoid that.

Aug. 31, 2020

SDF on Social Media?

by Mostafa Ahangarha

Hi I wanted to know more about the policies of FSD official website regarding social media. There are two questions: * Why SFD social media account on twitter is not active? It is not leading actor in propagation of SFD. * Why SFD has no official account on Fediverse and in particular on Mastodon? Not asking to leave twitter but like FSF, the main account should be on some FLOSS platform. Regards, Mostafa Ahangarha

Aug. 31, 2020

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2020

by সাজেদুর রহিম জোয়ারদ ার

Dear Benson আসসালামু আলাইকুম / Peace be upon you মঙ্গল, ২৫ আগস্ট, ২০২০ তারিখে ৬:৪২ PM টায় এ Benson Muite < benson_muite(a)emailplus.org> লিখেছেন: > > https://github.com/Haivision/srt/blob/master/LICENSE > > https://github.com/Edward-Wu/srt-live-server/blob/master/LICENSE > > > > Brother, By the word "User" me and the license mean All who uses this > > software anyway. So the Server Admin or System Administrator is also an > > "User". And only "Freedom 1 of a Free Software" applied here. Read the > > license you mentioned here and I hope you will get the point clearly as > > I have told. :) > First license is Mozilla Public License 2, which FSF has listed as free > software license (https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html) > The second one is under MIT/Expat license which is also listed as a free > license by the FSF (https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html) > Maybe I am missing something though. > https://github.com/Haivision/srt/blob/master/LICENSE have been under MPLv2 but https://github.com/Edward-Wu/srt-live-server/blob/master/LICENSE is under MIT which is not a compatible Free Software License. If you have to blend these 2 to meet your purpose then you are not using Free Software anymore but the blend will become a proprietary one. Freedom once compromised then you are not having the freedom anymore brother. :) with regards -- রিং/ring মহাসচিব/General Secretary এফওএসএস বাংলাদেশ/FOSS Bangladesh মোজিলিয়ান/Mozillian সদস্য, লিনাক্স মিন্ট বাংলাদেশ/Member, LinuxMint Bangladesh

Aug. 31, 2020

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2020

by Daniel

Hi Paulo, That will be a great ideia :) att, --- ⢀⣴⠾⠻⢶⣦⠀ ⣾⠁⢰⠒⠀⣿⡁ ⢿⡄⠘⠷⠚⠋⠀ MSc. Daniel Pimentel ⠈⠳⣄⠀⠀⠀⠀ On 2020-08-27 10:13, Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana wrote: > Hi all, > > This year here in Brazil we are doing a "big national SFD online". > So, this time we are not working with the idea to have "SFD per city". > > We are encouraging people and communities to produce contents in > portuguese over internet e publish them on september 19th. > > These contents (live or not) can be talks, workshops, meetings, and so > on, but focus on Free Software. > > http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2020/Brazil/Online > > Best regards,

Aug. 28, 2020

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2020

by Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana

Hi all, This year here in Brazil we are doing a "big national SFD online". So, this time we are not working with the idea to have "SFD per city". We are encouraging people and communities to produce contents in portuguese over internet e publish them on september 19th. These contents (live or not) can be talks, workshops, meetings, and so on, but focus on Free Software. http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2020/Brazil/Online Best regards, -- Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana (phls) Curitiba - Brasil Debian Developer Diretor do Instituto para Conservação de Tecnologias Livres Site: http://www.phls.com.br GNU/Linux user: 228719 GPG ID: 0443C450

Aug. 27, 2020

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2020

by Benson Muite

Dear রিং আলাইকুম আসসালামু / And also upon you. On 8/25/20 2:45 PM, সাজেদুর রহিম জোয়ারদার wrote: > Dear Benson > আসসালামু আলাইকুম / Peace be upon you > > মঙ্গল, ২৫ আগস্ট, ২০২০ তারিখে ৪:৩৩ PM টায় এ Benson Muite > <benson_muite(a)emailplus.org <mailto:benson_muite@emailplus.org>> লিখেছেন: > > > See here you got into an "Open Source" Software which does not > ensure > > "Users Freedom" as we mean "Free", but it is "For Free" as "Price > Zero" > > with the only "Freedom 1 of a Free Software". :) > These have licenses that give system administrator freedom. When the > software is deployed on a remote server, user is free to accept or > reject whatever choices the system administrator decides :) The > licenses > are: > https://github.com/Haivision/srt/blob/master/LICENSE > https://github.com/Edward-Wu/srt-live-server/blob/master/LICENSE > > > Brother, By the word "User" me and the license mean All who uses this > software anyway. So the Server Admin or System Administrator is also an > "User". And only "Freedom 1 of a Free Software" applied here. Read the > license you mentioned here and I hope you will get the point clearly as > I have told. :) First license is Mozilla Public License 2, which FSF has listed as free software license (https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html) The second one is under MIT/Expat license which is also listed as a free license by the FSF (https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html) Maybe I am missing something though. > > > Surely bandwidth is an issue to setup or run your own video > streaming > > service. You may use jitsi on their server and may ask them for > greater > > audience support. Else you may raise some fund and setup and run > > scalable server. > I think it may be worth running a small crowd funding campaign for > this. > Might you be willing to help? > > > Sure. Start the campaign. I am willing to help after I am assured about > your service model running jisti meet on your own server. Great. > -- > রিং/ring > > মহাসচিব/General Secretary Remember with great power, comes great responsibility! > এফওএসএস বাংলাদেশ/FOSS Bangladesh > > মোজিলিয়ান/Mozillian > > সদস্য, লিনাক্স মিন্ট বাংলাদেশ/Member, LinuxMint Bangladesh > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

Aug. 25, 2020