October 2022 - SFD-discuss - lists.mailman3.com

Re: [SFD-discuss] mailing lists

by Benson Muite

Mattermost and Element are great for collaboration, but typically the discussion is not mirrored on the open web. If discussion is infrequent, and you need to login because you do not use that platform often, this can hamper collaboration, especially if email notifications are not enabled. Discourse enables open search and has a mailing list mode. Sourcehut also enables mailing lists (public inbox) and static site hosting. It is about $20 per year and is openly developed and openly licensed. Would be willing to contribute patches if adaptations could be made to the Software Freedom Day workflow. On 10/10/22 15:42, Jurgen Gaeremyn wrote: > Hi Vance, > > most mailing list applications only supply "newsletter" style > mailinglists. This allows you to perform a "campaign" and send a > newsletter to all the members. > Mailman is a "discussion list" style mailinglist. It allows for all > members of the list to send messages to the list. > > This approach is much more resource intensive, but essential for > collaborative platforms > > Many hosting providers prohibit, throttle or limit the use of discussion > mailing lists. > My main webhoster (planethoster) allows Mailman but throttles mails at > 350 mails per hour. > My main discussion list platform (tigertech.net) allows Mailman, but > prices vary depending on the number of lists, addressees and total > number of mails sent. > > Important information to know if you want to host Mailman, is how many > lists does DFF host, how many subscribers do they have and how many The number of subscribers is probably the most important, as we can figure out some of the other information from the archives: http://mail.sf-day.org/pipermail/sfd-announce/ > mails get sent (in average and on peaks). How much delay can there be on > these mails? Especially in active discussions, a 2 hour delay between > replies is severely disturbing. > > I think the fact of the matter is that people are moving away from mail > as a (group) discussion medium in favor of chat-style platforms. I think > something like Mattermost or Element would serve well. Supplying these > with an e-mail notification system allows for users to tweak how they > get feedback asynchronously too. > > Just my €0.02 > Jurgen > > > On 10/10/2022 13:57, Benson Muite wrote: >> When does the migration need to be done? >> >> Shared hosting can start at $10 per year in some places. >> >> One could also run https://listmonk.app/ which maybe less resource >> intensive than mailman. >> >> freelists.org is another option. >> >> Can look into these if there is interest, it wouldbe helpful >> to know if there are any additional security/privacy requirements. >> >> >> On 10/10/22 06:27, Vance Kochenderfer WPLUG wrote: >>> I suggest checking with the OSU Open Source Lab. It appears that >>> Mailman mailing lists are one of the services they offer >>> <https://osuosl.org/services/hosting/details/>. A Free and Open Source >>> Software event I'm involved with, the OLF Conference, uses them for web >>> hosting with good results. (We don't have experience with using them >>> for mailing lists.) >>> >>> Later, >>> Vance >>> >>> On 10/9/22 22:52, Frederic Muller - DFF wrote: >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> It seems Canonical is retiring the server on which this mailing list >>>> is running and do not have any place for us. >>>> >>>> They have suggested a paid-for service as a replacement, but we??re >>>> looking at $5/month/list. Not something we have any budget for, >>>> >>>> Does anyone has any alternative suggestion to move somewhere else? >>> >>>

Oct. 20, 2022

Re: [SFD-discuss] mailing lists

by Jurgen Gaeremyn

Hi Vance, most mailing list applications only supply "newsletter" style mailinglists. This allows you to perform a "campaign" and send a newsletter to all the members. Mailman is a "discussion list" style mailinglist. It allows for all members of the list to send messages to the list. This approach is much more resource intensive, but essential for collaborative platforms Many hosting providers prohibit, throttle or limit the use of discussion mailing lists. My main webhoster (planethoster) allows Mailman but throttles mails at 350 mails per hour. My main discussion list platform (tigertech.net) allows Mailman, but prices vary depending on the number of lists, addressees and total number of mails sent. Important information to know if you want to host Mailman, is how many lists does DFF host, how many subscribers do they have and how many mails get sent (in average and on peaks). How much delay can there be on these mails? Especially in active discussions, a 2 hour delay between replies is severely disturbing. I think the fact of the matter is that people are moving away from mail as a (group) discussion medium in favor of chat-style platforms. I think something like Mattermost or Element would serve well. Supplying these with an e-mail notification system allows for users to tweak how they get feedback asynchronously too. Just my €0.02 Jurgen On 10/10/2022 13:57, Benson Muite wrote: > When does the migration need to be done? > > Shared hosting can start at $10 per year in some places. > > One could also run https://listmonk.app/ which maybe less resource > intensive than mailman. > > freelists.org is another option. > > Can look into these if there is interest, it wouldbe helpful > to know if there are any additional security/privacy requirements. > > > On 10/10/22 06:27, Vance Kochenderfer WPLUG wrote: >> I suggest checking with the OSU Open Source Lab. It appears that >> Mailman mailing lists are one of the services they offer >> <https://osuosl.org/services/hosting/details/>. A Free and Open Source >> Software event I'm involved with, the OLF Conference, uses them for web >> hosting with good results. (We don't have experience with using them >> for mailing lists.) >> >> Later, >> Vance >> >> On 10/9/22 22:52, Frederic Muller - DFF wrote: >>> Hi! >>> >>> It seems Canonical is retiring the server on which this mailing list >>> is running and do not have any place for us. >>> >>> They have suggested a paid-for service as a replacement, but we??re >>> looking at $5/month/list. Not something we have any budget for, >>> >>> Does anyone has any alternative suggestion to move somewhere else? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss

Oct. 10, 2022

Re: [SFD-discuss] mailing lists

by Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana

Hi, Em 09/10/2022 23:52, Frederic Muller - DFF escreveu: > Hi! > > It seems Canonical is retiring the server on which this mailing list is > running and do not have any place for us. > > They have suggested a paid-for service as a replacement, but we´re > looking at $5/month/list. Not something we have any budget for, > > Does anyone has any alternative suggestion to move somewhere else? Gandi has a free host for projects https://www.gandi.net/gandi-supports Best regards, -- Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana (phls) Belo Horizonte - Brasil Debian Developer Associado do Instituto para Conservação de Tecnologias Livres Site: http://phls.com.br GPG ID: 0443C450

Oct. 10, 2022

Re: [SFD-discuss] mailing lists

by Benson Muite

When does the migration need to be done? Shared hosting can start at $10 per year in some places. One could also run https://listmonk.app/ which maybe less resource intensive than mailman. freelists.org is another option. Can look into these if there is interest, it wouldbe helpful to know if there are any additional security/privacy requirements. On 10/10/22 06:27, Vance Kochenderfer WPLUG wrote: > I suggest checking with the OSU Open Source Lab. It appears that > Mailman mailing lists are one of the services they offer > <https://osuosl.org/services/hosting/details/>. A Free and Open Source > Software event I'm involved with, the OLF Conference, uses them for web > hosting with good results. (We don't have experience with using them > for mailing lists.) > > Later, > Vance > > On 10/9/22 22:52, Frederic Muller - DFF wrote: >> Hi! >> >> It seems Canonical is retiring the server on which this mailing list >> is running and do not have any place for us. >> >> They have suggested a paid-for service as a replacement, but we??re >> looking at $5/month/list. Not something we have any budget for, >> >> Does anyone has any alternative suggestion to move somewhere else? > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss

Oct. 10, 2022

Re: [SFD-discuss] mailing lists

by Vance Kochenderfer WPLUG

I suggest checking with the OSU Open Source Lab. It appears that Mailman mailing lists are one of the services they offer <https://osuosl.org/services/hosting/details/>. A Free and Open Source Software event I'm involved with, the OLF Conference, uses them for web hosting with good results. (We don't have experience with using them for mailing lists.) Later, Vance On 10/9/22 22:52, Frederic Muller - DFF wrote: > Hi! > > It seems Canonical is retiring the server on which this mailing list is > running and do not have any place for us. > > They have suggested a paid-for service as a replacement, but we??re > looking at $5/month/list. Not something we have any budget for, > > Does anyone has any alternative suggestion to move somewhere else?

Oct. 10, 2022

mailing lists

by Frederic Muller - DFF

Hi! It seems Canonical is retiring the server on which this mailing list is running and do not have any place for us. They have suggested a paid-for service as a replacement, but we´re looking at $5/month/list. Not something we have any budget for, Does anyone has any alternative suggestion to move somewhere else? Thank you. Fred

Oct. 10, 2022