September 2007 - SFD-discuss - lists.mailman3.com

Re: [SFD-discuss] Flickr and other tags - bayimg.com

by Georg Sluyterman

Cristóbal Palmer wrote: > On 9/19/07, Georg Sluyterman <georg(a)thecrew.dk> wrote: >> Btw. you talk about pirates..? Pirates attach ships on the high seas, >> and kidnap and murder people on them ;-) >> If you by 'pirates' mean people that make unauthorized copies, please >> use a term like eg. 'unauthorized copying'. > >  > > There are multiple definitions: > > http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Apiracy&ie=utf-8 > >  > I know. Sadly it has become an accepted word in the public.. >From Free Software, Free Society: Selected Essays of Richard M. Stallman, page 194: " Publishers often refer to prohibited copying as “piracy.” In this way, they imply that illegal copying is ethically equivalent to attacking sships on the high seas, kidnaping and murdering the people on them. If you don’t believe that illegal copying is just like kidnaping and murder, you might prefer not to use the word “piracy” to describe it. Neutral terms such as “prohibited copying” or “unauthorized copying” are available for use instead. Some of us might even prefer to use a positive term such as “sharing information with your neighbor.” " http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/fsfs/rms-essays.pdf -- Regards Georg Sluyterman

Sept. 19, 2007

Re: [SFD-discuss] Flickr and other tags - bayimg.com

by Mahomedalid Pacheco

Sorry because my poor english. RAE = Real Academia Española de la Lengua (Real Spanish Language Academy or something like that xD) On 9/19/07, Mahomedalid Pacheco <mictlan(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Yeah, but the definitions in the dictionary reflex the daily use of > the language. For example, here in Mexico we use the term "chingado" > and the RAE adopt that term. > > I think that what Georg tries to say is that "pirate" it's in the > origin a bad word for 'unauthorized copying' for example, and reflex a > bad aspect in the society. > > On 9/19/07, Cristóbal Palmer <cristobalpalmer(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On 9/19/07, Georg Sluyterman <georg(a)thecrew.dk> wrote: > > > Btw. you talk about pirates..? Pirates attach ships on the high seas, > > > and kidnap and murder people on them ;-) > > > If you by 'pirates' mean people that make unauthorized copies, please > > > use a term like eg. 'unauthorized copying'. > > > >  > > > > There are multiple definitions: > > > > http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Apiracy&ie=utf-8 > > > >  > > > > Cheers, > > -- > > Cristóbal M. Palmer > > celebrating 15 years of sunsite/metalab/ibiblio: > > http://tinyurl.com/2o8hj4 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SFD-discuss mailing list > > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > > > -- > Mahomedalid Pacheco > ------------------------------------------------- > http://mahomedalidp.blogspot.com > -- Mahomedalid Pacheco ------------------------------------------------- http://mahomedalidp.blogspot.com

Sept. 19, 2007

Re: [SFD-discuss] Flickr and other tags - bayimg.com

by Mahomedalid Pacheco

Yeah, but the definitions in the dictionary reflex the daily use of the language. For example, here in Mexico we use the term "chingado" and the RAE adopt that term. I think that what Georg tries to say is that "pirate" it's in the origin a bad word for 'unauthorized copying' for example, and reflex a bad aspect in the society. On 9/19/07, Cristóbal Palmer <cristobalpalmer(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 9/19/07, Georg Sluyterman <georg(a)thecrew.dk> wrote: > > Btw. you talk about pirates..? Pirates attach ships on the high seas, > > and kidnap and murder people on them ;-) > > If you by 'pirates' mean people that make unauthorized copies, please > > use a term like eg. 'unauthorized copying'. > >  > > There are multiple definitions: > > http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Apiracy&ie=utf-8 > >  > > Cheers, > -- > Cristóbal M. Palmer > celebrating 15 years of sunsite/metalab/ibiblio: > http://tinyurl.com/2o8hj4 > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > -- Mahomedalid Pacheco ------------------------------------------------- http://mahomedalidp.blogspot.com

Sept. 19, 2007

Re: [SFD-discuss] Flickr and other tags - bayimg.com

by Cristóbal Palmer

On 9/19/07, Georg Sluyterman <georg(a)thecrew.dk> wrote: > Btw. you talk about pirates..? Pirates attach ships on the high seas, > and kidnap and murder people on them ;-) > If you by 'pirates' mean people that make unauthorized copies, please > use a term like eg. 'unauthorized copying'.  There are multiple definitions: http://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Apiracy&ie=utf-8  Cheers, -- Cristóbal M. Palmer celebrating 15 years of sunsite/metalab/ibiblio: http://tinyurl.com/2o8hj4

Sept. 19, 2007

Re: [SFD-discuss] Flickr and other tags - bayimg.com

by Cristóbal Palmer

On 9/19/07, Mahomedalid Pacheco <mictlan(a)gmail.com> wrote: > We want to see photos about the SFD event! Show us! http://flickr.com/search/?q=sfd2007 Cheers, -- Cristóbal M. Palmer celebrating 15 years of sunsite/metalab/ibiblio: http://tinyurl.com/2o8hj4

Sept. 19, 2007

Re: [SFD-discuss] Flickr and other tags - bayimg.com

by Georg Sluyterman

Mahomedalid Pacheco wrote: > We want to see photos about the SFD event! Show us! > Mahomedalid you are top posting :-) Wich photos? From our event? Well.. you will have to wait just a few days yet before we post them on softwarefreedomday.org. We are currently redesigning our website, and it is easier for the guy who took the photografs, to upload the pictures to both sites simultaneous. I am not going to use bayimg, as i belive it is enough to use www.njlug.dk and woftwarefreedomday.org to publish the pictures. The link was meant as suggestion for you guys, if you wanted to use an alternative to Flickr. -- Regards Georg Sluyterman

Sept. 19, 2007

Re: [SFD-discuss] Flickr and other tags - bayimg.com

by Mahomedalid Pacheco

We want to see photos about the SFD event! Show us! On 9/19/07, Georg Sluyterman <georg(a)thecrew.dk> wrote: > Bruce Kingsbury wrote: > > On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 20:50 -0400, Douglas A. Whitfield wrote: > >> I'm still having problems with the site being slow, but Wikipedia gets > >> its info from http://www.zeropaid.com/news/8861/The+Pirate+Bay > >> +Launches+'BayIMG'+to+Host+Uncensored+Images > >> > >> Maybe they are just saying that to appease people and don't actually > >> remove images. > > > > I can't reach that site right now. I also wonder why you think photos > > taken at SFD events might ever be taken down by flickr or other > > 'mainstream' photo sites. Has there been any problem in the past? > > They've never removed or censored any of my photos.. > > > > You have not understood anything of censorship, if you believe that the > only important thing is if /you/ get censored... > > I myself cannot write code to eg. the Linux kernel. Then why is it > important for me to have software freedom nr. 1? > > > It seems to me that BayIMG's claim to fame is "we won't remove your > > hardcore porn and pirated commercial photography." I'm not sure that's > > the sort of place we want to be associated with. > > > > I must admit that it is problematic, that they (bayimg) can remove > whatever they want. At least they are very honest about it, and state it > very clear on the front page that they can. If anyone now a good site > that does not censor, please post a link here. > > Btw. you talk about pirates..? Pirates attach ships on the high seas, > and kidnap and murder people on them ;-) > If you by 'pirates' mean people that make unauthorized copies, please > use a term like eg. 'unauthorized copying'. > > -- > Regards Georg Sluyterman > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > -- Mahomedalid Pacheco ------------------------------------------------- http://mahomedalidp.blogspot.com

Sept. 19, 2007

Re: [SFD-discuss] Flickr and other tags - bayimg.com

by Georg Sluyterman

Bruce Kingsbury wrote: > On Thu, 2007-09-06 at 20:50 -0400, Douglas A. Whitfield wrote: >> I'm still having problems with the site being slow, but Wikipedia gets >> its info from http://www.zeropaid.com/news/8861/The+Pirate+Bay >> +Launches+'BayIMG'+to+Host+Uncensored+Images >> >> Maybe they are just saying that to appease people and don't actually >> remove images. > > I can't reach that site right now. I also wonder why you think photos > taken at SFD events might ever be taken down by flickr or other > 'mainstream' photo sites. Has there been any problem in the past? > They've never removed or censored any of my photos.. > You have not understood anything of censorship, if you believe that the only important thing is if /you/ get censored... I myself cannot write code to eg. the Linux kernel. Then why is it important for me to have software freedom nr. 1? > It seems to me that BayIMG's claim to fame is "we won't remove your > hardcore porn and pirated commercial photography." I'm not sure that's > the sort of place we want to be associated with. > I must admit that it is problematic, that they (bayimg) can remove whatever they want. At least they are very honest about it, and state it very clear on the front page that they can. If anyone now a good site that does not censor, please post a link here. Btw. you talk about pirates..? Pirates attach ships on the high seas, and kidnap and murder people on them ;-) If you by 'pirates' mean people that make unauthorized copies, please use a term like eg. 'unauthorized copying'. -- Regards Georg Sluyterman

Sept. 19, 2007

Re: [SFD-discuss] [SFD-announce] Software Freedom Day: time to rock!

by Cristóbal Palmer

On 9/14/07, Robert Schumann <robert(a)softwarefreedomday.org> wrote: > data for your event: > * (approximately) how many members of the public were reached through your > event If we'd known further in advance, the staff of the venue we used would have been willing and able to have the people at the door use a ticker to keep track of attendance. My guess from walking around would be in the hundreds, perhaps over a thousand. Here are some pictures of sfd2007 to enjoy. :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/tarheelcoxn/sets/72157602037237827/ -- Cristóbal M. Palmer celebrating 15 years of sunsite/metalab/ibiblio: http://tinyurl.com/2o8hj4

Sept. 16, 2007

Re: [SFD-discuss] United Nations and Software Freedom Day

by Melissa Draper

Pia Waugh wrote: > Hi all, > > The Software Freedom International Board will be aiming for United Nations > recognition of Software Freedom Day as a day of international importance for > 2008. We wanted to let you all know so that you can try extra hard to keep > track of the numbers and successes you have over Software Freedom Day, as it > will all contribute to our case in helping the world understand the > importance of Software Freedom. > > If anyone would like to help us with this quest, please let us know, or even > reply to this post with your thoughts. We feel strongly that Software > Freedom underpins our basic human rights in a highly digital world, and so > want to help the UN understand and promote software freedom as a way to > maintain our human rights: (I wrote this last night, but it seems I did not send it. I blame fatigue ;) ) I've just returned from my little SFD adventure. We were a team of two, and managed to send forth at least 6 Ubuntu CDs, 1 Edubuntu CD, 3 Open CDs, 1 Open Office CD and quite a few of the "What is Open Source" pamphlets. One of the women who had seen advertising and showed up to ask questions of us, ended up staying around for several hours asking questions, and helping talk to others. She really helped reach those who struggled to understand that there really is no cost, catch or strings attached. The shop who we were out the front of agreed to take some brochures to display, and a stash of CDs for those who ask. We thought we would do better as we were situated around the corner from the local cinema, next to the carpark most cinema-goers use, but it was really quiet for a Saturday, so we are still fairly pleased how we went. Then, there is always next year! -- Sincerely Melissa Draper http://www.meldraweb.com Phone: 0404 595 395 (intl): +61 404 595 395 P.O Box 1412 Lavington, NSW 2641

Sept. 16, 2007