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Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2013 in Turkey

by julien forgeat

This is an interesting debate, please do not position it on who has the best policy when it comes to publish photo, any exposure of DFI events on media is good, we need to make ourselves shown. One other problem I would bring with Facebook is that they do face recognition on their pictures. Julien On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 4:13 AM, Julian H. Stacey <jhs(a)berklix.com> wrote: > Hi Nermin Canik, cc SFD list > > > For > > me using Facebook and using Google Plus is no different. > > If Fred says certain sites are better than others, give it more > weight than your own opinion. Fred/ SFDI & co. do good work > organising SFD internationaly, despite being partially obstructed > by the great censorship wall of China. We owe them Not to make > their access harder. > > They may not say which sites are blocked, & it will change, but if > you put data on www.some-random-small-domain.tr it's far more likely > he & others in censoring countries will not be blocked. > > Insisting on putting your SFD stuff on > www.major-usa-companies-some-countries-likely-censor.com > may well block access by international organisers. > > If you will pander to facebook addicts too, put 1 or 2 photos there > with a clickable link to more at www.some-random-small-domain.tr > > Cheers, > Julian > -- > Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich > http://berklix.com > Interleave replies below like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". > Send plain text, not quoted-printable, HTML, base64, or > multipart/alternative. > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

Oct. 21, 2013

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2013 in Turkey

by Julian H. Stacey

Hi Nermin Canik, cc SFD list > For > me using Facebook and using Google Plus is no different. If Fred says certain sites are better than others, give it more weight than your own opinion. Fred/ SFDI & co. do good work organising SFD internationaly, despite being partially obstructed by the great censorship wall of China. We owe them Not to make their access harder. They may not say which sites are blocked, & it will change, but if you put data on www.some-random-small-domain.tr it's far more likely he & others in censoring countries will not be blocked. Insisting on putting your SFD stuff on www.major-usa-companies-some-countries-likely-censor.com may well block access by international organisers. If you will pander to facebook addicts too, put 1 or 2 photos there with a clickable link to more at www.some-random-small-domain.tr Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Interleave replies below like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". Send plain text, not quoted-printable, HTML, base64, or multipart/alternative.

Oct. 20, 2013

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2013 in Turkey

by Frederic Muller - DFF

Responses below. On 10/20/2013 04:49 AM, Nermin Canik wrote: > Hi, > > 2013/10/19 Frederic Muller - DFF <fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org > <mailto:fred@digitalfreedomfoundation.org>> > > > A shame most of your pictures are on Facebook as it is blocked for > me, and not really promoting FOSS usage in general. > > > I saw many photos on your email list that were shared over Google > Plus. For me using Facebook and using Google Plus is no different. > PRISM scandal showed that Google has also been threatening our > freedom. If I were to take a more radical decision about this, I think > I would also block Google and its products. :) > Indeed. However Google also contribute a lot to Free Software through various programs and sponsoring. Note that DFF also has a FB account on which we communicate for the reason you mention. I also happen not to use FB just like you, but am lucky enough to have Pockey take care of the FB stuff ;-) . > I don't use Facebook personally but I have an account to make > announcements. Most people use Facebook in Turkey. There are so many, > so many individuals that use Facebook and don't know about free > software. Facebook is only a bridge for us to reach to the people that > don't know about free software. Yes, I think using it as a bridge is definitely the way to go. You could definitely consider having some pictures on FB and on your own infrastructure. Likewise long time ago we used to have a photo gallery plug in for our wiki. It turns out that after an upgrade the plugin was no longer compatible and we lost previous galleries hosted with us, and maintaining the functionality would have lead to the same issues. A shame, and there we need to rely on teams own solutions for that. > > > Have you considered hosting them on your website? > > > Yes we are planning to put a gallery on our website. We had discussed > this in our mailing list and volunteers that handled the website had > promised to do it. You know these are voluntary work. I sent the > photos to you, considering you might prepare a world report like the > DFD team did. We actually have a competition running which i strongly encourage you to participate in. The link to participate is here: http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/cgi-bin/report.py and the rules are here: http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/en/competition > > I think one should not give "harsh feedbacks" towards people in > voluntary work. I think this is important in community relations. It was not meant to be harsh and I apologize if that's the way it came out. I just felt it was important to remind our community that we are promoting Free Software and therefore should preferably use it ourselves whenever possible. > > Since 2012, we have held a total of 11 events in Turkey for SFD (4 > events in 2012, 7 events in 2013). In Turkey our approach is first to > appreciate people for positive work and then to give negative > feedbacks. This is the only way we can keep the motivation of the > volunteers. > > I'll send you the photos again after we upload them on our website. Thanks a lot, I look forward to it. Fred > > Best. > > Miss Nermin Canik > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss

Oct. 20, 2013

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2013 in Turkey

by Nermin Canik

Hi, 2013/10/19 Frederic Muller - DFF <fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org> > > A shame most of your pictures are on Facebook as it is blocked for me, and > not really promoting FOSS usage in general. > I saw many photos on your email list that were shared over Google Plus. For me using Facebook and using Google Plus is no different. PRISM scandal showed that Google has also been threatening our freedom. If I were to take a more radical decision about this, I think I would also block Google and its products. :) I don’t use Facebook personally but I have an account to make announcements. Most people use Facebook in Turkey. There are so many, so many individuals that use Facebook and don’t know about free software. Facebook is only a bridge for us to reach to the people that don’t know about free software. > Have you considered hosting them on your website? > Yes we are planning to put a gallery on our website. We had discussed this in our mailing list and volunteers that handled the website had promised to do it. You know these are voluntary work. I sent the photos to you, considering you might prepare a world report like the DFD team did. I think one should not give “harsh feedbacks” towards people in voluntary work. I think this is important in community relations. Since 2012, we have held a total of 11 events in Turkey for SFD (4 events in 2012, 7 events in 2013). In Turkey our approach is first to appreciate people for positive work and then to give negative feedbacks. This is the only way we can keep the motivation of the volunteers. I’ll send you the photos again after we upload them on our website. Best. Miss Nermin Canik

Oct. 19, 2013

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2013 in Turkey

by Frederic Muller - DFF

Hi! A shame most of your pictures are on Facebook as it is blocked for me, and not really promoting FOSS usage in general. Have you considered hosting them on your website? Fred On 10/19/2013 03:19 AM, Nermin Canik wrote: > Hello, > > I'm sending photos and links about Software Freedom Day in Turkey. We > have celebrated SFD since 2012. :) > > Best. > > 2013 SFD in TURKEY > > Turkey celebrated SFD with 7 events in 5 city! :) > > Mail list: > https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/yazilimozgurlugu > <https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#%21forum/yazilimozgurlugu> > Twitter: https://twitter.com/yazilimozgurgun > Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/yazilimozgurlugugunu > Web Site: http://yazilimozgurlugugunu.org.tr/2013/ > > 1) Ankara (Chamber of Computer Engineers (BMO)) > https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.525642550850575.1073741836.352600… > > 2) Denizli > https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.523489454399218.1073741834.352600… > > 3) Istanbul HackerSpace > https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.523499621064868.1073741835.352600… > > 4) Istanbul Technical University > https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.523468254401338.1073741831.352600… > > 5) Istanbul Maltepe Nezahat Aslan Eksioglu Primary School > https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.522771694470994.1073741829.352600… > > 6) Malatya > https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.523450544403109.1073741830.352600… > Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvK3tSOEY0Q > > 7) Izmir > https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.523469481067882.1073741832.352600… > > SFD Turkish > Leaflet&Poster: http://yazilimozgurlugugunu.org.tr/2013/belge-ve-gorseller/ > > > Turkish Press: > http://haber.sol.org.tr/bilim-teknoloji/yazilim-ozgurlugu-kutlanacak-haberi… > http://bianet.org/bianet/medya/150021-yazilim-ozgurlugu-gunu-kutlaniyor > > -- > Nermin > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss

Oct. 19, 2013

SFD 2013 in Turkey

by Nermin Canik

Oct. 18, 2013

Re: [SFD-discuss] Some pictures from SFD 2013 in Rapla, Estonia

by Edmund Laugasson

Hi! > I have some questions of course. Impressed by the long table and all > the machines on top could you share how much time and what > requirements you had to prepare that part of the event? It's probably > something worth adding to SFD events for people interested in gaming > but I would feel a bit scared to attempt the challenge without more > directions :) I just had some PC-s to be used for SFD event. I had to install Linux and all other software to all of them. Since they all were same hardware, I could clone them. I just prepared one PC and then cloned using Clonezilla Live CD <http://clonezilla.org/clonezilla-live.php>. I installed Estobuntu <http://estobuntu.org/estobuntu-english> - special remastered Ubuntu for Estonian people. One purpose was also introduce Estonian Linux called Estobuntu to Estonian people. We have currently local government elections - so under Estobuntu, where is ID-card software installed by default - there are everything you need for electronic voting software we have in Estonia My idea was to show people Linux and other FOSS in action - so I had to prepare some PC-s for that. I could finally 12 PC-s to prepare with Estobuntu and lots of software installed. I remember, that I downloaded approximately 15 GiB of software through Synaptic - mostly games but also other software - audio-video tools, newest LibreOffice etc. Thanks for cloning I could easily deploy it to all other PC-s. I had also another friend at local ISP, who helped me with some hardware - gigabit switches, 100M internet speed and fibre optic cable for that with setting it up with his team, couple of more powerful PC-s for gaming, power cords, extension cords with powerfulness monitoring display, keyboards, mouses, network cables (also patch cables, RJ-45 parts). So - I and my friend and students and local venue staff helped me to set up all this stuff - it took 3 hours. This 100M internet speed was especially arranged for SFD event to offer real gaming perfomance over network. I carried some of this stuff with my own personal car and other part came with my friend's personal car. I had also couple of students who helped me to organize LAN-party - idea was to show, that even under Linux is possible to play and these games are worth to play. Very usual preconceptipon is there, that under Linux you cannot play. These young people, who played, were very satisfied and happy - so I guess some of them will install Linux soon or later onto their PC-s. I also had special video team, who bring three professional video cams and made great video recording. Last part - LAN-party was also filmed but not whole part. I had also some sponsors, who supported also with real money and I could offer free food for 20 people and also prepare 50 free DVD-s with Estobuntu Linux to share to people for free. I did not make more, because there is a plan to release newer version with all updates built-in and some corrections. As you probably noticed - Medibuntu repository is not working anymore and we need to remove it also from Estobuntu. There are some more corrections probably, which need to be done. So - you need some PC-s and time to install/clone them. Then you need good friends - for venue, for stuff transportation, for additional stuff you may need. Also friends for filming or even realtime broadcasting like I did previous time. I also invited local government to event - mayor and governor. But no one of them came - as I heard later - they did not have time... But situation in Estonia is very serious - Microsoft increased their prices up to 25 times - depends, which licensing scheme to choose. There are also several hidden problems inside these licensing schemes - only upgrade version but upgrading WinXP to Win8 will be quite painful and there is only one possibility to get full version install DVD but it costs more and it cannot be cloned due to activation issue and so one, so one... So I hoped, that local school owners will come and we can discusse over it. But it seems like there is a ostrich-like behaviour - just hide your head under sand and do not act with this problem as long as possible... Now I am planning to create Free Software Competence Centre into Estonia together with Estonian FOSS community and I try to involve also Estonian Government into it. I am doing also PhD <https://sites.google.com/site/phdedmund/> (started at 2012 autumn), which topic is strongly related with FOSS and Estonian Government - "/Free software strategies of managing information and communication technology infrastructure in Estonia/". We have already in Estonia Free and Open-Source Software Alliance (I am also one of the founding members) but this is just union of companies, who are ready to offer just technical support about FOSS but there should be also some kind of lab to put all these great FOSS solutios together into one integrated solution to deploy at public sector in Estonia. Currently I am looking people, who know people, who are ready to share their experience of success or unsuccess stories about FOSS deployment at government level - especially in ministries but also other governmental institutions. So if you know somebody then please let me know! Whenever there is possible I try to find also funding to visit these places abroad. But I can communicate electronically (e-mail, social networks, VoIP + webcam, etc) and by phone. > Definitely something which could be added to our startguide or > resource page (or have a new page for it). I guess everyone is doing as there is possible to do. I just have some friends to do it bigger than usually. The idea was to introduce FOSS in more young people friendly way - using gaming and also offering Installfest as one easiest way to get Linux and other FOSS installed onto your PC. So I would propose to add to that start guide this three-part model as one possible way to organize SFD event: 1. lectures - at first explain, what the FOSS is and how it can benefit for regular people and also for government and whole country - good opportunity to influence desicionmakers 2. Installfest - help people practically to install FOSS onto their computers - so they probably will not need any IT-company anymore :) This is another good opportunity to influence desicionmakers - you can show them, how this all works and probably also install it to some of their computers. 3. LAN-party with FOSS-games - so also younger people will get excited about FOSS This LAN-party can be shortened also with demo event - what kind of interesting solutions there might be based on FOSS. But as our young people are our future, then something should be also for them to ensure also in future will be people, who are interested and using FOSS. I even planned to do SFD for two days - this is also possible - depends on which resources there are possible to use. *Important parts:* *Understanding part* - there is important to explain - why FOSS and how this can benefit for me, society, economy, human values etc. *Practical part* - Installfest. When people will see and can use FOSS, then they will understand, that FOSS can be really used also in mission critical systems and there is not needed to own faceted IT-brain for that. There is not needed immediately type white letters into black window... Linux can be used also only graphically. Unfortunately usually local IT-companies are not ready to install FOSS and there are also no courses of FOSS - so Installfest could be both - people will get FOSS installed and also they get knowledge, how to use it and where to find further information and help. I guess in every country there are FOSS communities - so we should tell it also to people these forum address(es). Whenever needed, also some real demonstrations of FOSS solutions may presented - especially when decisionmakers are in place and looking that. *Fun part* - LAN-party. As we know, our young people like gaming and we can put FOSS in front of that interest. Try to find some local students to organize that. They will know, which games are great and worth to play and let them to lead this part of event. Prepare also souvenirs to give them to presenters and other helpers, who were helped you to organize that event. Certainly - it requires some money to create them - probably there is possible to organize it through main organizers like this stuff, what came from China to us - then it would be easier. There could be even preordering system to offer localized souvenirs - then local leaders should provide localized artwork to do that. There could be localized T-shirts, cups, mousepads, caps, etc. E.g. we in Estonia have campaign - "Ask Linux from me" - http://kysi-mult-linuxit.alvatal.ee/ - this "Küsi mult Linuxit" means in English "Ask Linux from me". There are some artwork also - http://juhend.estobuntu.org/banners/kysi-mult-linuxit/ and also leaflets in Estonian - http://juhend.estobuntu.org/banners/kysi-mult-linuxit/kysi-linuxit-lk1.pdf and http://juhend.estobuntu.org/banners/kysi-mult-linuxit/kysi-linuxit-2poolne.… There is one slogan famous in Estonia: "Everything is new in September! Also operating system is new!". So we try to organize campaign in every September to announce also change proprietary operating system and switch to FOSS operating system Linux. *NB! **Important part here - try to invite some decisionmakers to SFD event! Try to organize discussion with them about possible FOSS deployment in your community, especially in public sector!* SFD event is good place to show to decisionmakers, that FOSS works! You can also prepare some demonstrations - how FOSS can benefit for your community and also for public sector, especially schools - RMS together with FSF has special site for that - http://www.gnu.org/education/ - I am also going to present one workshop <https://frab.fscons.org/en/fscons13/public/events/21> at FSCONS 2013 - "Why is free software important in education" - so everyone are invited to participate! I also tried to invite some more people from Tallinn City Government to have discussion over FOSS deployment in Estonian schools due to that Microsoft's price increase but they did not again have time for that... But luckily I have cooperation with them - so work goes one. Best Regards, Edmund Laugasson

Oct. 13, 2013

Re: [SFD-discuss] Some pictures from SFD in New Jersey.

by Julian H. Stacey

> Or > are we wrong to think every one has a stick with him/her? For all SFD exhibitors willing to set up in a shopping precinct/ mall, There's shops who could sell individual visitors a stick. That would encourage every shop that sells stick to support an application from an SFD group, for a free stand space in the mall. SFD exhibitors would approach shop owners in advance & tell them that each shop selling sticks & supporting the application would get a coloured dot on a map taped to the SFD table for visitors to see. Shopping mall owners wanting to increase visitor numbers would be keen. Visitors would get told: If you have a _completely_empty_ stick at least X gig, we can copy it now. If you don't have a stick, buy from any shop with a coloured dot on map, & come back in a few minutes. ( That gets rid of random wasters & scroungers who would hang around, distract &/or waste exhibitors time & pick up free media & not use it.) It would not help those (like our previous Munich SFDs) not near shops selling USB sticks, eg in an office block, technical college etc. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". Send plain text. No quoted-printable, HTML, base64, multipart/alternative.

Oct. 12, 2013

Re: [SFD-discuss] Some pictures from SFD 2013 in Rapla, Estonia

by Frederic Muller - DFF

Nice! I have some questions of course. Impressed by the long table and all the machines on top could you share how much time and what requirements you had to prepare that part of the event? It's probably something worth adding to SFD events for people interested in gaming but I would feel a bit scared to attempt the challenge without more directions :) Definitely something which could be added to our startguide or resource page (or have a new page for it). Thanks. Fred On 10/12/2013 04:36 AM, Edmund Laugasson wrote: > Hi! > > https://plus.google.com/photos/110606556046418167795/albums/592639565183894… > > Event itself > - http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2013/Estonia/Rapla/SFD2013Rapla - > downside is in English. > > > Best Regards, > Edmund Laugasson > PhD student (dissertation topic is strongly related with FOSS) > Tallinn University > Institute of Informatics > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss

Oct. 12, 2013

Re: [SFD-discuss] Latex balloons in SFD swag package

by Frederic Muller - DFF

Hi! I guess we had no idea about latex allergy. It's the first time someone is actually mentioning it since I am involved with SFD. The problem with A1 paper posters as we see it is that either they arrive folded in many parts and thus are not very nice once on the wall, or worse, damaged. Maybe we should look at different materials if going this way. New issue for us, let's see what other teams have to add on the topic. On our end we're fairly opened. Thanks. Fred On 10/12/2013 03:38 AM, Bob Jonkman wrote: > Hi: In Kitchener we received the SFD swag package just in time for our > celebrations. The organizers had inflated the balloons and put them up > inside and outside Kwartzlab, when I mentioned that one of the expected > attendees has severe latex allergies and wouldn't be able to attend with > balloons in the room. So there was a mad scramble to take them all down > and remove every trace of balloon schrapnel (many got burst). We > continued to be worried about remaining latex particles, but she arrived > later in the day and everything turned out OK. > > Latex allergies are fairly common[1], so my request is to not include > latex balloons in the package next year. Maybe replace them with a > couple of large A1 posters (1m x 1.6m). Certainly the small posters were > very decorative. Or more stickers (with non-latex adhesive). Everybody > loves stickers! Or an extra T-shirt. Everybody loves T-shirts! Or > buttons - everybody loves buttons too. > > --Bob. > > [1] > http://laurelrusswurm.tumblr.com/post/63598480651/balloons-can-be-dangerous… > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss

Oct. 12, 2013