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Re: [SFD-discuss] What software will you be discussing on Software Freedom Day?

by Julian H. Stacey

Maren Hachmann wrote: > Hi LM, > > our talk schedules will soon (as in this weekend) be published at > > https://kielux.de/programm > and > https://kielux.de/programm/LPD20 > > While most of the talks are in German, the software names in the talk / > workshop titles should be internationally the same. > > Cheers > Maren > > Am 03.09.20 um 20:26 schrieb LM: > > Would be very curious to hear what Free, Libre and Open Source > > Software and/or Creative Commons and other resources will you be > > discussing at Software Freedom Day? > >=20 > > I annually try to update my list of software here: > > http://www.distasis.com/cpp/pbtc.htm > > I also put together a couple of lists that might be of interest to > > educators, including this one: > > https://lmemsm.dreamwidth.org/15912.html > >=20 > > Some of the talks such as the ones mentioned by SaltaLUG on the SFD > > wiki looked really interesting. Would love to hear what software will > > get mentioned or recommended in the talks. Thanks. http://www.berklix.org/trans/ Thus https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fkiel… https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fkiel… Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, Consultant Sys. Engineer, BSD Linux http://berklix.com/jhs/ Crash Brexit Dec. 2020 paid by speculators. http://berklix.uk/brexit/#money Probe Russian Brexit Referendum https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/332293

Sept. 4, 2020

Re: [SFD-discuss] What software will you be discussing on Software Freedom Day?

by Maren Hachmann

Hi LM, our talk schedules will soon (as in this weekend) be published at https://kielux.de/programm and https://kielux.de/programm/LPD20 While most of the talks are in German, the software names in the talk / workshop titles should be internationally the same. Cheers Maren Am 03.09.20 um 20:26 schrieb LM: > Would be very curious to hear what Free, Libre and Open Source > Software and/or Creative Commons and other resources will you be > discussing at Software Freedom Day? > > I annually try to update my list of software here: > http://www.distasis.com/cpp/pbtc.htm > I also put together a couple of lists that might be of interest to > educators, including this one: > https://lmemsm.dreamwidth.org/15912.html > > Some of the talks such as the ones mentioned by SaltaLUG on the SFD > wiki looked really interesting. Would love to hear what software will > get mentioned or recommended in the talks. Thanks. > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

Sept. 4, 2020

What software will you be discussing on Software Freedom Day?

by LM

Would be very curious to hear what Free, Libre and Open Source Software and/or Creative Commons and other resources will you be discussing at Software Freedom Day? I annually try to update my list of software here: http://www.distasis.com/cpp/pbtc.htm I also put together a couple of lists that might be of interest to educators, including this one: https://lmemsm.dreamwidth.org/15912.html Some of the talks such as the ones mentioned by SaltaLUG on the SFD wiki looked really interesting. Would love to hear what software will get mentioned or recommended in the talks. Thanks.

Sept. 3, 2020

Re: [SFD-discuss] FLOSS acronym a liability, distracts from free open source promotion

by Frederic Muller - DFF

On 9/2/20 6:32 AM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Mentioning floss just invites MS addicts in an audience to heckle > with jokes about about teeth. Funnily I have always seen the hidden LOSS in fLOSS and that has bothered me for ever. I am a Free Software advocate and seldom meet MS people though (as in MS fans). I think the term was used in SFD when I joined as something inclusive as there was a lot of bickering about Free Software vs Open Source Software at the time. But that was a long time ago. We could scout the wiki/website and replace all those FLOSS acronyms. I know Richard doesn't like open source as it missed the ideology part for him. I initially used to think Open Source was more representative of the ideology than Free Software because of the ambiguity of the word Free in English. But that was in the previous century, so it probably doesn't count, right? What does the SFD community think about it, at least the one relying on English terminology (I know Mainland China as a similar issue for different reasons though - they have a kind of conflicting relationship with the word 'freedom'...). Thank you for raising that up :-) Fred

Sept. 2, 2020

FLOSS acronym a liability, distracts from free open source promotion

by Julian H. Stacey

Each year SFD resurects the distracting half forgoten acronym FLOSS. Un-used in English & German circles here, though I'm very keen on free source software: & use that exclusively & promoted it for maybe 20 or 30 years, organised SFD's, stands at exhibitions, lectures etc). (PS Was the etymology of the acronym FLOSS to appeal to French speakers ? the `Libre' repeating the `Free'?) For the public, the acronym is a distraction to look up when they're already puzzling why we work so hard to evangelise something we give away: Free Source Software - Something for Nothing for them ! - "What's the Catch ?" is what they're trying to figure. So we toss them a contrived Acronym, & expect them to think we're not even weirder ? ;-) There are simple words such as Linux & BSD to tell people to search for. Not for https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floss Mentioning floss just invites MS addicts in an audience to heckle with jokes about about teeth. The acronym is not in pages I write, eg http://www.berklix.org/free/ http://www.berklix.org/bim/ http://www.berklix.org/~jhs/ except under http://www.berklix.org/sfd/ Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, Consultant Sys. Engineer, BSD Linux http://berklix.com/jhs/ Crash Brexit Dec. 2020 paid by speculators. http://berklix.uk/brexit/#money Contraception V. Global warming, pollution, wars for resources.

Sept. 1, 2020

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD on Social Media?

by LM

Jurgen Gaeremyn wrote: > I like open social media. But if that's our only outlet to promote SFD, > we're preaching to the choir. If you want to reach people who aren't > knee deep into open source software, you need to be where they are. I agree with this. The target audience of people who could learn about and benefit from converting to FLOSS is more likely to be found on non-Free platforms. I was really shocked by how many tech and programming groups in my area do not use FLOSS and do not know about most of the FLOSS options. Many are currently promoting Microsoft Teams and Zoom to the public and explaining how to use them. They believe they are doing a public service helping those less knowledgeable about tech to use these types of tools. They also use tools like Meetup, Facebook, Slack and Discord to communicate. Lately, I've been feeling like talking to people in these groups is like talking to a wall, but it would be nice to reach some of the less technical people they're reaching and let them know there are other alternatives before they make their choices. Users who aren't set in their ways are more likely to adopt something different. > Secondly, I'm much in favor of the principle of doing: if you think it's > important, please do it. If nobody is willing to invest the time into > building up the open social media buzz around SFD, If some people are > willing to promote SFD on facebook, twitter or even linkedin... great! I also agree with this. We should hopefully have enough people involved in putting together SFD events that we can do a good job of promoting and publicizing it too. It's pretty much what I do every year. This year, I posted to every FLOSS group on Facebook that I could find and join. I posted to some of the educational groups I'm on. I posted to every FLOSS group I'm on and some of the local tech groups on LinkedIn. There is a SFD group on LinkedIn and I posted a reminder about SFD there. I also posted to Edmodo. I'm also trying to reach the CSTA (contacted three different groups in the CSTA) to try to get them to mention it to their members, but so far, they've just ignored me. Last year, I posted on Meetup on every local group I thought might be interested and on Slack for the local tech groups that ran a Slack channel and I told them at the various tech meetings in person. Had a turn-out of 4 last year, but we still had a great time. We still have some time before SFD, so I'll probably be posting to other groups as well. I'd really like to reach educators this year since they're having a lot of trouble adapting to distance learning and there are some great FLOSS tools that can help with that. I like the concept of https://gettogether.community/ If anyone wants to join and add a post there, I think it will help promote the site. If they have enough activities there, they might actually be able to give Meetup some competition. I talked to one of the local tech groups and their publicizer basically said he only sent members information about meetings from Meetup. So, if sites like https://gettogether.community/ were more popular and people were made aware of them, the general public might start using them more. I typically post a link to the SFD web page and occasionally share the wiki link as well. If people are interested, they can find out what's going on in their area or what's convenient for them to attend.

Sept. 1, 2020

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2020

by Luna Jernberg

Would be great if someone updated the Wiki, with what events are going online and what events is going online instead? On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 10:05 AM সাজেদুর রহিম জোয়ারদার <toshazed(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Benson > আসসালামু আলাইকুম / Peace be upon you > > মঙ্গল, ২৫ আগস্ট, ২০২০ তারিখে ৬:৪২ PM টায় এ Benson Muite < > benson_muite(a)emailplus.org> লিখেছেন: > >> > https://github.com/Haivision/srt/blob/master/LICENSE >> > https://github.com/Edward-Wu/srt-live-server/blob/master/LICENSE >> > >> > Brother, By the word "User" me and the license mean All who uses this >> > software anyway. So the Server Admin or System Administrator is also an >> > "User". And only "Freedom 1 of a Free Software" applied here. Read the >> > license you mentioned here and I hope you will get the point clearly as >> > I have told. :) >> First license is Mozilla Public License 2, which FSF has listed as free >> software license (https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html) >> The second one is under MIT/Expat license which is also listed as a free >> license by the FSF (https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html) >> Maybe I am missing something though. >> > > https://github.com/Haivision/srt/blob/master/LICENSE have been under > MPLv2 but https://github.com/Edward-Wu/srt-live-server/blob/master/LICENSE > is under MIT which is not a compatible Free Software License. > > If you have to blend these 2 to meet your purpose then you are not using > Free Software anymore but the blend will become a proprietary one. Freedom > once compromised then you are not having the freedom anymore brother. :) > > with regards > -- > রিং/ring > > মহাসচিব/General Secretary > এফওএসএস বাংলাদেশ/FOSS Bangladesh > > মোজিলিয়ান/Mozillian > > সদস্য, লিনাক্স মিন্ট বাংলাদেশ/Member, LinuxMint Bangladesh > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

Sept. 1, 2020

Re: [SFD-discuss] SDF on Social Media?

by Frederic Muller - DFF

On 9/1/20 2:45 AM, Jurgen Gaeremyn wrote: > if you think it's important, offer your help. I'm pretty convinced Fred > will accept your help with both hands Hi! Yes we can definitely hand over administrative rights and assuming some experience managing that social media in the past, we will let whoever is willing, manage the flow. Just let us know. Thank you. Fred

Sept. 1, 2020

Re: [SFD-discuss] SDF on Social Media?

by Ali Reza Hayati

Well social networks are one of the ways of course. Don't get me wrong, I don't plan to have a day for people who already know about software freedom. I and Mostafa are in Iran and Afghanistan and we (with some other friends) are already planning the celebration for the day. I happily will do what I can for sure. I just expressed my opinion about how important it is. And about using Twitter and stuff, I have nothing against people who use it. I won't do anything about it, I just will feel sorry. I think using them is not good but well if it's a way to promote digital rights and software libre, I'm down. I won't use it myself but I won't criticize the decision either. On 9/1/20 12:15 AM, Jurgen Gaeremyn wrote: > Hi all, > > I like open social media. But if that's our only outlet to promote SFD, > we're preaching to the choir. If you want to reach people who aren't > knee deep into open source software, you need to be where they are. > Doesn't make sense preaching safe sex to an audience committed to celibacy. > Doesn't make sense preaching safe hex to an audience commited to digibacy. > > Secondly, I'm much in favor of the principle of doing: if you think it's > important, please do it. If nobody is willing to invest the time into > building up the open social media buzz around SFD, If some people are > willing to promote SFD on facebook, twitter or even linkedin... great! > > Especially since everybody in the organization is volunteer... nobody is > in a position to set expectations and standards to anybody except to > him- or herself. > > So Mostafa or Ali... if you think it's important, offer your help. I'm > pretty convinced Fred will accept your help with both hands. > > Greetings, > Jurgen > > > On 31/08/2020 16:00, Ali Reza Hayati wrote: >> Hi y'all, >> I hope you're well. >> >> I don't think that's a personal matter. SFD is to attract people to the concept of software freedom and digital rights so we actually should be active about it. >> >> I agree with Mostafa on this matter. Lot of social networks went down and up but it's not a reason to stop using them. Doesn't matter whether something is stable or not, if it's proprietary, we shouldn't use it. At least for the sake of publicity of our belief. >> >> On August 31, 2020 1:36:12 PM UTC, Frederic Muller - DFF <fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org> wrote: >>> Hi! >>> >>> Thank you for asking. I am not a fan of Social Media. Pockey usually >>> handles our Social Media accounts (though I think I'm supposed to do >>> Twitter...). I really have little interest in Twitter so... that answers >>> question No.1 >>> >>> Now young man (I have no idea really...), over the year we've seen free >>> sotfware social media platforms going up and down. After a while I think >>> we just got tired of switching to whatever was the latest and greatest. >>> >>> Now this is probably a deeper discussion but maybe it is time for us on >>> the board to transition over to a new team of people. We've been >>> thinking about it for the past year+ and it will probably be something >>> on the agenda after SFD 2020. >>> >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Fred >>> >>> On 8/31/20 7:25 PM, Mostafa Ahangarha wrote: >>>> Hi >>>> >>>> I wanted to know more about the policies of FSD official website >>>> regarding social media. There are two questions: >>>> >>>> * Why SFD social media account on twitter is not active? It is not >>>> leading actor in propagation of SFD. >>>> * Why SFD has no official account on Fediverse and in particular on >>>> Mastodon? Not asking to leave twitter but like FSF, the main account >>>> should be on some FLOSS platform. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Mostafa Ahangarha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > -- Ali Reza Hayati / alirezahayati.com PGP: 6ACD 8BF4 4109 E852 96B7 2F20 6118 CCE2 1080 D0E2

Aug. 31, 2020

Re: [SFD-discuss] SDF on Social Media?

by Jurgen Gaeremyn

Hi all, I like open social media. But if that's our only outlet to promote SFD, we're preaching to the choir. If you want to reach people who aren't knee deep into open source software, you need to be where they are. Doesn't make sense preaching safe sex to an audience committed to celibacy. Doesn't make sense preaching safe hex to an audience commited to digibacy. Secondly, I'm much in favor of the principle of doing: if you think it's important, please do it. If nobody is willing to invest the time into building up the open social media buzz around SFD, If some people are willing to promote SFD on facebook, twitter or even linkedin... great! Especially since everybody in the organization is volunteer... nobody is in a position to set expectations and standards to anybody except to him- or herself. So Mostafa or Ali... if you think it's important, offer your help. I'm pretty convinced Fred will accept your help with both hands. Greetings, Jurgen On 31/08/2020 16:00, Ali Reza Hayati wrote: > Hi y'all, > I hope you're well. > > I don't think that's a personal matter. SFD is to attract people to the concept of software freedom and digital rights so we actually should be active about it. > > I agree with Mostafa on this matter. Lot of social networks went down and up but it's not a reason to stop using them. Doesn't matter whether something is stable or not, if it's proprietary, we shouldn't use it. At least for the sake of publicity of our belief. > > On August 31, 2020 1:36:12 PM UTC, Frederic Muller - DFF <fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org> wrote: >> Hi! >> >> Thank you for asking. I am not a fan of Social Media. Pockey usually >> handles our Social Media accounts (though I think I'm supposed to do >> Twitter...). I really have little interest in Twitter so... that answers >> question No.1 >> >> Now young man (I have no idea really...), over the year we've seen free >> sotfware social media platforms going up and down. After a while I think >> we just got tired of switching to whatever was the latest and greatest. >> >> Now this is probably a deeper discussion but maybe it is time for us on >> the board to transition over to a new team of people. We've been >> thinking about it for the past year+ and it will probably be something >> on the agenda after SFD 2020. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Fred >> >> On 8/31/20 7:25 PM, Mostafa Ahangarha wrote: >>> Hi >>> >>> I wanted to know more about the policies of FSD official website >>> regarding social media. There are two questions: >>> >>> * Why SFD social media account on twitter is not active? It is not >>> leading actor in propagation of SFD. >>> * Why SFD has no official account on Fediverse and in particular on >>> Mastodon? Not asking to leave twitter but like FSF, the main account >>> should be on some FLOSS platform. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Mostafa Ahangarha >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss

Aug. 31, 2020