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Re: [SFD-discuss] How to register a local team on the homepage

by Georg Sluyterman

Russell John skrev: > Hi Georg, > > The team registration option doesn't work yet... Matt and others are > probably working on it. However, you can create your team page by > editing the appropriate wiki page. Here's how to do so: > > 1) Login (http://softwarefreedomday.org/registration?action=login) > 2) Click on the "Teams" tab > 3) Select the continent from the "Regional team" section (i.e. Europe) > 4) Choose your country (i.e. Denmark) > 5) Click on the appropriate city name, and edit that page with your > team information. If the name of your city is not there, then simply > add it. > > Hope this helps. > Thanks for the guide, but i still don't get it.. I end up with this page: http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/europe/denmark When editing, this comes up: ##SIDEOBJ(menu,teams) ##TABOBJ(teams) === Teams === [[Navigation(children,1)]] I don't know how to add Aalborg into: [[Navigation(children,1)]] :-( -- Regards Georg Sluyterman njlug.dk, Aalborg, Denmark

May 4, 2007

Re: [SFD-discuss] How to register a local team on the homepage

by Matt Oquist

Hi Georg & Russell, Robert Schumann is putting together a bang-up registration system that will hopefully go live very soon. You'll still have to create your team's wiki page manually, but we're now getting shirt size requests and map registrations right up front, so that'll simplify things later on. We'll definitely let everyone know as soon as the registration system is up and running. Cheers! Matt Russell John wrote: [Fri May 04 2007, 02:23:52PM EDT] > Hi Georg, > > The team registration option doesn't work yet... Matt and others are > probably working on it. However, you can create your team page by > editing the appropriate wiki page. Here's how to do so: > > 1) Login (http://softwarefreedomday.org/registration?action=login) > 2) Click on the "Teams" tab > 3) Select the continent from the "Regional team" section (i.e. Europe) > 4) Choose your country (i.e. Denmark) > 5) Click on the appropriate city name, and edit that page with your > team information. If the name of your city is not there, then simply > add it. > > Hope this helps. > > Regards, > Russell > > On 5/4/07, Georg Sluyterman <georg(a)thecrew.dk> wrote: > > >Hi > > > >I am all confused... How do i register a new team, and make a Wiki-page > >on the homepage? > > > >I have signed up as a user on the homepage, but i just can't figure out > >how i am suppose to do the rest. I assume that the personal-page is not > >usable as a team-page. > > > >-- > >Regards > >Georg Sluyterman > >njlug.dk, Aalborg, Denmark > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SFD-discuss mailing list > >SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > >http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss -- --------------------------------------------------------- SoftwareFreedomDay.org : Celebrating Free and Open Source Software in Your Community info AT softwarefreedomday.org http://softwarefreedomday.org/ SFD Sponsors: http://canonical.com http://ibm.com Software Freedom Day is a project of Software Freedom International. Software Freedom International is a registered corporation in the state of New Hampshire, USA.

May 4, 2007

Re: [SFD-discuss] How to register a local team on the homepage

by Russell John

Hi Georg, The team registration option doesn't work yet... Matt and others are probably working on it. However, you can create your team page by editing the appropriate wiki page. Here's how to do so: 1) Login (http://softwarefreedomday.org/registration?action=login) 2) Click on the "Teams" tab 3) Select the continent from the "Regional team" section (i.e. Europe) 4) Choose your country (i.e. Denmark) 5) Click on the appropriate city name, and edit that page with your team information. If the name of your city is not there, then simply add it. Hope this helps. Regards, Russell On 5/4/07, Georg Sluyterman <georg(a)thecrew.dk> wrote: > Hi > > I am all confused... How do i register a new team, and make a Wiki-page > on the homepage? > > I have signed up as a user on the homepage, but i just can't figure out > how i am suppose to do the rest. I assume that the personal-page is not > usable as a team-page. > > -- > Regards > Georg Sluyterman > njlug.dk, Aalborg, Denmark > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

May 4, 2007

How to register a local team on the homepage

by Georg Sluyterman

Hi I am all confused... How do i register a new team, and make a Wiki-page on the homepage? I have signed up as a user on the homepage, but i just can't figure out how i am suppose to do the rest. I assume that the personal-page is not usable as a team-page. -- Regards Georg Sluyterman njlug.dk, Aalborg, Denmark

May 4, 2007

Re: [SFD-discuss] RFC: SFI Vision & Objectives

by Rik Tindall

Hi Matt, SFD-discuss, Matt Oquist wrote: > > By stating this in our vision statement we're setting a new standard > for SFI. That doesn't mean we've achieved it already. :) Good response, thanks. Joining the far-distant dots does take time, and agreed that on this defining point we have duly begun.. >>> Objectives: >>> 6: ...to be pragmatic, transparent, and responsible as an >>> organization Adding context, "pragmatic" is a giveaway, laden term here. In that it's Linus's respect-worthy catchphrase. But the great energy of SFD has largely come from visible brand neutrality: BSD is as good as Linux is as good as GNU is as good as Open-Source for Windows, for SFD purposes. This even-handed formula has worked exceedingly well, for SFD team building. Issue is thus taken with "FLOSS" for being an unnecessary agenda to change that. So "pragmatic" in SFD's case is more likely to be to stick with the FOSS (steady project growth) status quo, imho. >>> SoftwareFreedomDay.org : >>> Celebrating Free and Open Source Software [FOSS] in Your Community > >> ..SFD home page - "Software Freedom Day is a global, grassroots >> effort to educate the public about the virtues and availability of >> Free and Open Source Software [FOSS]" >> >> "Decision on policy of terminology to be used: >> * FLOSS" >> >> http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/sfi/minutes/Minutes-07-03-01 >> >> Why start confusing people like this now? Project contributors have been >> signed on to the standing SFD FOSS terminology/deal for three years >> already, so this seems both abrupt and inappropriate as a 'top-down' >> foisted change. It recurs in the SFI minutes, so there is no doubt about >> this muddying of the SFD project aims. > > I think I'm less concerned than you are that "FOSS"->"FLOSS" will > confuse people. Also, this is not a foisted change; we're having this > conversation right now on this public list. That's the point...which > brings us back to "transparency", above. For us here, there's no confusion: they mean the same thing. Changing our language mid-course is better than doing it later, admittedly, if there is sufficient argument supporting it. But otherwise, it is the confusion sold into a predominantly uninformed marketplace that is the real issue. It looked like we'd made up our minds at the start, and positively. That is, if you were establishing as a vendor of cola in the early twentieth century, you might have marketed under the brand name 'pespi' or as 'coke' - but not both. Deciding our most advantageous identity is fundamental to growth; an inability to discern between such similar contents might drive customers off in the direction of 'sprite', for e.g. This is a useful parallel to examine, at least. But the substantive argument is this: "Free" means free/libre in our world anyway, which is a parallel term to "Open Source". Open-source was implicit in Free Software from the start, so is actually a redundant spec to many. But as long as it's useful to work with Open-Source marketing, then it should be kept in balance with Free Software - which is what the FOSS term achieves. There's no need to state Free/Libre if you are adding Open-Source, because that is spurious repetition of the very same meaning. It strikes me that adding /Libre to Free, within FOSS, serves primarily one destructive purpose - to break up the phrase "Free Software". This is categorically both a bad idea and contrary to the more neutral flavour that SFD has assiduously attained. I'm sure there are very many of us who have adopted SFD heartily and specifically because of the clear and prominent sense in which Free Software has meaning within "Software Freedom". We do not wish to see this position undermined. If it seems like I've taken this issue too seriously, let me explain. Our SFD team has grown steadily over the past three years, except for one major glitch encountered last year. And that was due to a Windows-based entrepreneur derailing our process somewhat, in a strong effort to shunt our SFD FOSS marketing tradition onto "FLOSS". This painful experience left such a deep impression that we probably now require SFI's explicit backing of FOSS, in order to continue. > Lastly, we haven't even adopted the vision statement yet, it's still > under discussion (which is what we're doing). And even if we had > adopted it, it wouldn't've been implemented instantly. Thanks, that's reassuring. > So no worries -- is your reason for concern about changing "FOSS" to > "FLOSS" that the target audience of SFD will be confused? I don't Yes, largely. As above. > personally have strong feelings one way or the other about using FOSS > v. FLOSS, but after our discussion at the F2F I am inclined toward > FLOSS, and of course the argument there is that including "Libre" > helps to *avoid* confusing our target audience. Do you disagree? Completely. It's redundant verbiage to 'expand' FOSS to "FLOSS". Only negative outcomes can result from adopting it. Mainly because it adds the job of debating an unnecessary change while we need to be preparing our teams :) But next because there is zero logic to it anyway. Instead, it would be signifying some other force for change. > Regards, > Matt > --------------------------------------------------------- > SoftwareFreedomDay.org : > Celebrating Free and Open Source Software in Your Community > info AT softwarefreedomday.org > http://softwarefreedomday.org/ > > SFD Sponsors: > http://canonical.com > http://ibm.com > > Software Freedom Day is a project of Software Freedom International. > Software Freedom International is a registered corporation in the state of New > Hampshire, USA. > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss Cheers & hth, Rik Tindall pp SFD Team Christchurch, Aotearoa-NZ

March 27, 2007

Re: [SFD-discuss] RFC: SFI Vision & Objectives

by Rik Tindall

Hi Matt, SFD-discuss, Matt Oquist wrote: > > By stating this in our vision statement we're setting a new standard > for SFI. That doesn't mean we've achieved it already. :) Good response, thanks. Joining the far-distant dots does take time, and agreed that on this defining point we have duly begun. >>> Objectives: >>> 6: ...to be pragmatic, transparent, and responsible as an >>> organization Adding context, "pragmatic" is a giveaway, laden term here. In that it's Linus's respect-worthy catchphrase. But the great energy of SFD has largely come from visible brand neutrality: BSD is as good as Linux is as good as GNU is as good as Open-Source for Windows, for SFD purposes. This even-handed formula has worked exceedingly well, for SFD team building. Issue is thus taken with "FLOSS" for being an unnecessary agenda to change that. So "pragmatic" in SFD's case is more likely to be to stick with the FOSS (steady project growth) status quo, imho. >>> SoftwareFreedomDay.org : >>> Celebrating Free and Open Source Software [FOSS] in Your Community > >> ..SFD home page - "Software Freedom Day is a global, grassroots >> effort to educate the public about the virtues and availability of >> Free and Open Source Software [FOSS]" >> >> "Decision on policy of terminology to be used: >> * FLOSS" >> >> http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/sfi/minutes/Minutes-07-03-01 >> >> Why start confusing people like this now? Project contributors have been >> signed on to the standing SFD FOSS terminology/deal for three years >> already, so this seems both abrupt and inappropriate as a 'top-down' >> foisted change. It recurs in the SFI minutes, so there is no doubt about >> this muddying of the SFD project aims. > > I think I'm less concerned than you are that "FOSS"->"FLOSS" will > confuse people. Also, this is not a foisted change; we're having this > conversation right now on this public list. That's the point...which > brings us back to "transparency", above. For us here, there's no confusion: they mean the same thing. Changing our language mid-course is better than doing it later, admittedly, if there is sufficient argument supporting it. But otherwise, it is the confusion sold into a predominantly uninformed marketplace that is the real issue. It looked like we'd made up our minds at the start, and positively. That is, if you were establishing as a vendor of cola in the early twentieth century, you might have marketed under the brand name 'pespi' or as 'coke' - but not both. Deciding our most advantageous identity is fundamental to growth; an inability to discern between such similar contents might drive customers off in the direction of 'sprite', for e.g. This is a useful parallel to examine, at least. But the substantive argument is this: "Free" means free/libre in our world anyway, which is a parallel term to "Open Source". Open-source was implicit in Free Software from the start, so is actually a redundant spec to many. But as long as it's useful to work with Open-Source marketing, then it should be kept in balance with Free Software - which is what the FOSS term achieves. There's no need to state Free/Libre if you are adding Open-Source, because that is spurious repetition of the very same meaning. It strikes me that adding /Libre to Free, within FOSS, serves primarily one destructive purpose - to break up the phrase "Free Software". This is categorically both a bad idea and contrary to the more neutral flavour that SFD has assiduously attained. I'm sure there are very many of us who have adopted SFD heartily and specifically because of the clear and prominent sense in which Free Software has meaning within "Software Freedom". We do not wish to see this position undermined. If it seems like I've taken this issue too seriously, let me explain. Our SFD team has grown steadily over the past three years, except for one major glitch encountered last year. And that was due to a Windows-based entrepreneur derailing our process somewhat, in a strong effort to shunt our SFD FOSS marketing tradition onto "FLOSS". This painful experience left such a deep impression that we probably now require SFI's explicit backing of FOSS, in order to continue. > Lastly, we haven't even adopted the vision statement yet, it's still > under discussion (which is what we're doing). And even if we had > adopted it, it wouldn't've been implemented instantly. Thanks, that's reassuring. > So no worries -- is your reason for concern about changing "FOSS" to > "FLOSS" that the target audience of SFD will be confused? I don't Yes, largely. As above. > personally have strong feelings one way or the other about using FOSS > v. FLOSS, but after our discussion at the F2F I am inclined toward > FLOSS, and of course the argument there is that including "Libre" > helps to *avoid* confusing our target audience. Do you disagree? Completely. It's redundant verbiage to 'expand' FOSS to "FLOSS". Only negative outcomes can result from adopting it. Mainly because it adds the job of debating an unnecessary change while we need to be preparing our teams :) But next because there is zero logic to it anyway. Instead, it would be signifying some other force for change. > Regards, > Matt > --------------------------------------------------------- > SoftwareFreedomDay.org : > Celebrating Free and Open Source Software in Your Community > info AT softwarefreedomday.org > http://softwarefreedomday.org/ > > SFD Sponsors: > http://canonical.com > http://ibm.com > > Software Freedom Day is a project of Software Freedom International. > Software Freedom International is a registered corporation in the state of New > Hampshire, USA. > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss Cheers & hth, Rik Tindall pp SFD Team Christchurch, Aotearoa-NZ

March 27, 2007

Re: [SFD-discuss] RFC: SFI Vision & Objectives

by Matt Oquist

Hi Rik, > There is a _big_ problem here with SFI process 'transparency': Yes; we're working on that. By stating this in our vision statement we're setting a new standard for SFI. That doesn't mean we've achieved it already. :) > >Objectives: > > 6: ...to be pragmatic, transparent, and responsible as an > > organization > >--------------------------------------------------------- > >SoftwareFreedomDay.org : > > Celebrating Free and Open Source Software [FOSS] in Your Community > While the overall statement drift has been positive, the substance is > seemingly different. Like, please reconcile your footer above, which > precisely echoes the long-standing SFD home page - "Software Freedom Day > is a global, grassroots effort to educate the public about the virtues > and availability of Free and Open Source Software [FOSS]" - with this: > > "Decision on policy of terminology to be used: > * FLOSS" > > http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/sfi/minutes/Minutes-07-03-01 > > Why start confusing people like this now? Project contributors have been > signed on to the standing SFD FOSS terminology/deal for three years > already, so this seems both abrupt and inappropriate as a 'top-down' > foisted change. It recurs in the SFI minutes, so there is no doubt about > this muddying of the SFD project aims. I think I'm less concerned than you are that "FOSS"->"FLOSS" will confuse people. Also, this is not a foisted change; we're having this conversation right now on this public list. That's the point...which brings us back to "transparency", above. Lastly, we haven't even adopted the vision statement yet, it's still under discussion (which is what we're doing). And even if we had adopted it, it wouldn't've been implemented instantly. So no worries -- is your reason for concern about changing "FOSS" to "FLOSS" that the target audience of SFD will be confused? I don't personally have strong feelings one way or the other about using FOSS v. FLOSS, but after our discussion at the F2F I am inclined toward FLOSS, and of course the argument there is that including "Libre" helps to *avoid* confusing our target audience. Do you disagree? Regards, Matt -- --------------------------------------------------------- SoftwareFreedomDay.org : Celebrating Free and Open Source Software in Your Community info AT softwarefreedomday.org http://softwarefreedomday.org/ SFD Sponsors: http://canonical.com http://ibm.com Software Freedom Day is a project of Software Freedom International. Software Freedom International is a registered corporation in the state of New Hampshire, USA.

March 26, 2007

Re: [SFD-discuss] RFC: SFI Vision & Objectives

by Rik Tindall

Thanks Matt, Good principles. But the more developed a project, the more extra complications?.. There is a _big_ problem here with SFI process 'transparency': Matt Oquist wrote: > > Software Freedom International is planning to adopt the following > vision and objective statements within the next two weeks, and we > would love to hear your comments.. <snips> > Vision: "Our vision is to empower all people to freely connect, create and share in a digital world that is participatory, transparent, and sustainable." > > Objectives: > 6: ...to be pragmatic, transparent, and responsible as an organization > --------------------------------------------------------- > SoftwareFreedomDay.org : > Celebrating Free and Open Source Software [FOSS] in Your Community While the overall statement drift has been positive, the substance is seemingly different. Like, please reconcile your footer above, which precisely echoes the long-standing SFD home page - "Software Freedom Day is a global, grassroots effort to educate the public about the virtues and availability of Free and Open Source Software [FOSS]" - with this: "Decision on policy of terminology to be used: * FLOSS" http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/sfi/minutes/Minutes-07-03-01 Why start confusing people like this now? Project contributors have been signed on to the standing SFD FOSS terminology/deal for three years already, so this seems both abrupt and inappropriate as a 'top-down' foisted change. It recurs in the SFI minutes, so there is no doubt about this muddying of the SFD project aims. Please let us know how we can maintain the "FOSS" status quo, for bigger and brighter SFDs :) Regards and thanks again, Rik Tindall pp Team Christchurch, Aotearoa-NZ

March 26, 2007

Re: [SFD-discuss] Alternative SoC: Code to change the World

by Russell John

Anyone attending the summit? Hopefully I'll be there representing Bangladesh. - Russell On 3/18/07, Luis Gustavo Lira <dr_complexity(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Dear Friends, > > Cultura Libre will launch a new initiative " > Alternative SoC: Code to change the World" > > Where: The 2007 iCommons Summit: Dubrovnik, Croatia. > > When: 15-17 June > > http://wiki.icommons.org/index.php/Launches > > > > __________________________________________________ > Correo Yahoo! > Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! > Regístrate ya - http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

March 18, 2007

Alternative SoC: Code to change the World

by Luis Gustavo Lira

Dear Friends, Cultura Libre will launch a new initiative " Alternative SoC: Code to change the World" Where: The 2007 iCommons Summit: Dubrovnik, Croatia. When: 15-17 June http://wiki.icommons.org/index.php/Launches __________________________________________________ Correo Yahoo! Espacio para todos tus mensajes, antivirus y antispam ¡gratis! Regístrate ya - http://correo.espanol.yahoo.com/

March 18, 2007