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Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Shashi

By Giving them an accept/decline button don't you think we are preserving their freedom? It no more becomes a virus the Internet cafe people can be negotiated with to plant a process that caters a copy of the "thing" to every one who plugs in a USB key after asking if they want one.( I mean we can do that on software freedom day in some 20 internet cafe's across India) when the USB buddy goes home and puts the USB on he'll see the best things about software he's ever seen. Think about it how many people can i reach in india in an installfest? If you disagree I'm gonna make the logic bomb into a software that tells people about Free Software and tell them why they need to use free software... and it does not spread people nead to download the software to see the presentation... We'll really make it appealing... But I totally don't think more than 20 people are going to download it (I'm verry friendly and open when i say that..) and you'll have to agree upon that... No freedom cutdown! Thanx for the fast reply... On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. >> You can offer them a CD >> Cracking is not advocacy. > > Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. > It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause > which you think of as a useful thing. > The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the > ethos of floss. > Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users > freedom and right to choose. > > Set up computers which people can try. > Set up a game lan which people can try. > Have software available for people to take away. > Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. > Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can > help them with installation > Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared > with people using other platforms. > Support their choice but don't make it for them =) > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > -- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Janet Hawtin

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: > There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. > You can offer them a CD > Cracking is not advocacy. Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause which you think of as a useful thing. The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the ethos of floss. Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users freedom and right to choose. Set up computers which people can try. Set up a game lan which people can try. Have software available for people to take away. Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can help them with installation Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared with people using other platforms. Support their choice but don't make it for them =)

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Janet Hawtin

There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. You can offer them a CD Cracking is not advocacy. On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for all the criticism and suggestion. > This was exactly what i was thinking the day before "The logic bomb > should in no way be harsh upon innocent windows users... So we came up > with a new Idea... The thing which is not a virus (coz it's gonna do > no harm to computers as such) will ask the user when triggered or when > trying to copy itself if the user wants to have the thing enter his > machine and also provides a "Totally Harmless" certificate from a > security testing body, I have not yet thought of what this "body " is > going to be but hoping can some how get ClamWin ppl to help us. And > there will be a link on the home page about what haker and cracker > mean on the Yes No prompt pointing to RFC1392 > http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1392.txt which makes the difference > very clear... > > Or if you totally criticise me after all these You are welcome to > suggest anything that Uncorkers can do for sf-day (something > electronical and ethical)... We promise not to disobey the FOSS > philosophy and the moral protocol > > Thanx a lot! > --Shashi > > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:36 AM, draicone(a)gmail.com <draicone(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 12:54 PM, DK <wplug(a)curlynoodle.com> wrote: >>> I agree that SFD should be labeled as "hackers". Mainstream media and >>> advertising uses the term "hacker" to describe a person engaged in >>> criminal behavior. As such, the vast majority of the public have no >>> conception of an "ethical hacker"; its just an oxymoron to most. >> >> I'd go as far as to suggest that ethical hacking isn't at all >> something we want to be associated with, even in the "tech-savvy" >> definition. Identifying security vulnerabilities is ethical; >> exploiting them is not. We are not here to force FOSS onto people, and >> changing their homepage is akin to making them wake up at the back of >> a Wal-Mart every morning. We are simply here to encourage them to make >> their own decision, as they'll probably choose the free software (the >> cheapest blank CDs?). >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Shashi

Thanks for all the criticism and suggestion. This was exactly what i was thinking the day before "The logic bomb should in no way be harsh upon innocent windows users... So we came up with a new Idea... The thing which is not a virus (coz it's gonna do no harm to computers as such) will ask the user when triggered or when trying to copy itself if the user wants to have the thing enter his machine and also provides a "Totally Harmless" certificate from a security testing body, I have not yet thought of what this "body " is going to be but hoping can some how get ClamWin ppl to help us. And there will be a link on the home page about what haker and cracker mean on the Yes No prompt pointing to RFC1392 http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1392.txt which makes the difference very clear... Or if you totally criticise me after all these You are welcome to suggest anything that Uncorkers can do for sf-day (something electronical and ethical)... We promise not to disobey the FOSS philosophy and the moral protocol Thanx a lot! --Shashi On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:36 AM, draicone(a)gmail.com <draicone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 12:54 PM, DK <wplug(a)curlynoodle.com> wrote: >> I agree that SFD should be labeled as "hackers". Mainstream media and >> advertising uses the term "hacker" to describe a person engaged in >> criminal behavior. As such, the vast majority of the public have no >> conception of an "ethical hacker"; its just an oxymoron to most. > > I'd go as far as to suggest that ethical hacking isn't at all > something we want to be associated with, even in the "tech-savvy" > definition. Identifying security vulnerabilities is ethical; > exploiting them is not. We are not here to force FOSS onto people, and > changing their homepage is akin to making them wake up at the back of > a Wal-Mart every morning. We are simply here to encourage them to make > their own decision, as they'll probably choose the free software (the > cheapest blank CDs?). > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by draicone＠gmail.com

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 12:54 PM, DK <wplug(a)curlynoodle.com> wrote: > I agree that SFD should be labeled as "hackers". Mainstream media and > advertising uses the term "hacker" to describe a person engaged in > criminal behavior. As such, the vast majority of the public have no > conception of an "ethical hacker"; its just an oxymoron to most. I'd go as far as to suggest that ethical hacking isn't at all something we want to be associated with, even in the "tech-savvy" definition. Identifying security vulnerabilities is ethical; exploiting them is not. We are not here to force FOSS onto people, and changing their homepage is akin to making them wake up at the back of a Wal-Mart every morning. We are simply here to encourage them to make their own decision, as they'll probably choose the free software (the cheapest blank CDs?).

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Janet Hawtin

It is not useful to do anything which is destructive or intrusive. Infringing the user's space with ones own technology or intent is in contradiction to the idea of software freedom. Not useful. Janet

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Janet Hawtin

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 12:24 PM, DK <wplug(a)curlynoodle.com> wrote: > On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 8:10 PM, draicone(a)gmail.com <draicone(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Quoting from http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/uncorkers: >> I understand the organizer intends well, but this seems totally against the >> spirit of Software Freedom Day. Were we to start hijacking home pages to the >> SFD site, we also run the risk of it being DNS blocked (by ISPs, AV/AS >> companies or any other party). Any plan like this could be a PR nightmare >> for SFD, and I'm sure we don't want to be labelled as hackers in the common >> definition of the term. > > I agree that SFD should be labeled as "hackers". Mainstream media and > advertising uses the term "hacker" to describe a person engaged in > criminal behavior. As such, the vast majority of the public have no > conception of an "ethical hacker"; its just an oxymoron to most. > > Please consider another tactic for promoting FOSS, keeping in mind one > goal is to appeal to the general public. > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by DK

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 8:10 PM, draicone(a)gmail.com <draicone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Quoting from http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/uncorkers: > I understand the organizer intends well, but this seems totally against the > spirit of Software Freedom Day. Were we to start hijacking home pages to the > SFD site, we also run the risk of it being DNS blocked (by ISPs, AV/AS > companies or any other party). Any plan like this could be a PR nightmare > for SFD, and I'm sure we don't want to be labelled as hackers in the common > definition of the term. I agree that SFD should be labeled as "hackers". Mainstream media and advertising uses the term "hacker" to describe a person engaged in criminal behavior. As such, the vast majority of the public have no conception of an "ethical hacker"; its just an oxymoron to most. Please consider another tactic for promoting FOSS, keeping in mind one goal is to appeal to the general public.

Aug. 2, 2008

SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by draicone＠gmail.com

Quoting from http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/uncorkers:* * ** *Uncorkers is a group of highly ethical hackers who are die hard fans of Free/Open Source softwares, we like to spread FOSS in a world wide scale - ethically hacking most of the computes running windows to seduce the users to use open source software, we think, would do good to every FOSS and a fan's feelings... * *Our plan for this year's sfday is to make a self copying logic bomb see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic_Bomb for info. which would make ethical and minor changes to host windows computers like changing the wallpaper to software freedom day logo with URI to info, Home page of browser set to softwarefreedomday.org and a page specially made by uncorkers for the occasion search page set to creative commons search or google search for free content... * I understand the organizer intends well, but this seems totally against the spirit of Software Freedom Day. Were we to start hijacking home pages to the SFD site, we also run the risk of it being DNS blocked (by ISPs, AV/AS companies or any other party). Any plan like this could be a PR nightmare for SFD, and I'm sure we don't want to be labelled as hackers in the common definition of the term.

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] "Promotional educational material" stickers on the pack for duty issues

by Robert Schumann

Hi all, At the moment, T-shirt sales are being held up because of an administrative problem. Sorry about this - we will make an announcement when the online shop is up and running. T-shirts are likely to cost around USD10 each (but don't quote me on that). Robert. On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 5:15 PM, Norman Garcia Aguilar < norman.garcia(a)ubuntu.org.ni> wrote: > > > On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 1:23 AM, Frederic Muller <fred(a)beijinglug.org>wrote: > >> Answer provided off the list as well. We're only shipping 3 (free) >> t-shirts per team. >> > > And if a team wants more t-shirts? What is the cost of the t-shirts? > > > >> Fred >> > > > -- > Norman Garcia Aguilar > http://normangaguilar.blogspot.com > Linux user # 444131 > Ubuntu user # 15806 > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > >

Aug. 1, 2008