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Re: [SFD-discuss] Document Freedom Day 2021

by Marcos Marado

Recovering this thread, one year later... Maintaining the website seems to take more time than there is, and it is an yearly, burdensome task. Why not simplify things and make www.documentfreedom.org redirect to the (user-maintained) wiki.documentfreedom.org? On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 2:37 PM Marcos Marado <mindboosternoori(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi there, > > https://www.documentfreedom.org currently claims that DFD 2022 is > going to be on March 30 (in one week), but the event registration link > is pointing to the wrong place, the list of events points to the map > site (only ready for 2018 and previous years). > If there is interest in having this event being celebrated this year, > I'd suggest (since we're so close to the date) just removing the > obsolete links from the website, and instead point directly to the > wiki ( https://wiki.documentfreedom.org/2022 could be created). If > there's interest on this, I can submit pull requests changing the > website's code as long as it is made available; and I'm also > volunteering to create and manage the necessary wiki pages, from now > until and during the day. > > If there is interest just for the wiki part (for eg. no easy way to > share the website code), I can also go ahead and do it, but I'd rather > have some feedback on this here, first. > > On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 3:26 PM Mostafa Ahangarha <ahangarha(a)riseup.net> wrote: > > > > On 2/4/21 4:30 PM, sfd-discuss-request(a)sf-day.org wrote: > > > Send SFD-discuss mailing list submissions to > > > sfd-discuss(a)sf-day.org > > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > > sfd-discuss-request(a)sf-day.org > > > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > > sfd-discuss-owner(a)sf-day.org > > > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > > than "Re: Contents of SFD-discuss digest..." > > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > > 1. Document Freedom Day 2021 (Naudy Villarroel Urquiola) > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Wed, 3 Feb 2021 15:34:32 -0400 > > > From: Naudy Villarroel Urquiola <naviurq(a)gmail.com> > > > To: "Discussions about planning for SFD (spanish)" > > > <planning-es(a)sf-day.org>, sfd-discuss(a)sf-day.org > > > Subject: [SFD-discuss] Document Freedom Day 2021 > > > Message-ID: > > > <CACCs6RQ7hsEmtbPqaiem6xT_-hh5j+Do3XdE2ZxkxYZ-5pWDJg(a)mail.gmail.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > > *ES* > > > > > > Hola a todos, me estoy fijando que la pagina > > > https://www.documentfreedom.org/ no ha sido actualizada desde el 2018, > > > desconozco los motivos y las razones por que est? todo paralizado , pero > > > seria bueno armar nuevamente un grupo de trabajo para reactivar el "Dia de > > > Documento Libre" . > > > Ser?a interesante escuchar sugerencias y recomendaciones para activar > > > nuevamente Document Freedom Day. > > > > > > Saludos Cordiales > > > > > > EN > > > > > > Hello everyone, I am noticing that the page https://www.documentfreedom.org/ > > > has not been updated since 2018, I do not know the reasons that it is > > > paralyzed, but it would be good to put together a working group again to > > > reactivate the "Day of Free Document ". It would be interesting to hear > > > suggestions and recommendations to activate Document Freedom Day again. > > > > > I agree with you on reviving documentfreedom.org. > > > > If it has reached to its goal, then it should be informed to the public. > > Otherwise, we should revive it. I think we need to educate people and > > governments to move towards Open Document Formats. We had small program > > two years ago in Iran. But we were the only one who did it. At least > > there was no post on social media about any group having any program on > > that day. > > > > We need a better way of communication. It is hard for me to track topics > > on mailing list. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SFD-discuss mailing list > > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss

Jan. 11, 2023

Re: [SFD-discuss] mailing lists

by Benson Muite

Mattermost and Element are great for collaboration, but typically the discussion is not mirrored on the open web. If discussion is infrequent, and you need to login because you do not use that platform often, this can hamper collaboration, especially if email notifications are not enabled. Discourse enables open search and has a mailing list mode. Sourcehut also enables mailing lists (public inbox) and static site hosting. It is about $20 per year and is openly developed and openly licensed. Would be willing to contribute patches if adaptations could be made to the Software Freedom Day workflow. On 10/10/22 15:42, Jurgen Gaeremyn wrote: > Hi Vance, > > most mailing list applications only supply "newsletter" style > mailinglists. This allows you to perform a "campaign" and send a > newsletter to all the members. > Mailman is a "discussion list" style mailinglist. It allows for all > members of the list to send messages to the list. > > This approach is much more resource intensive, but essential for > collaborative platforms > > Many hosting providers prohibit, throttle or limit the use of discussion > mailing lists. > My main webhoster (planethoster) allows Mailman but throttles mails at > 350 mails per hour. > My main discussion list platform (tigertech.net) allows Mailman, but > prices vary depending on the number of lists, addressees and total > number of mails sent. > > Important information to know if you want to host Mailman, is how many > lists does DFF host, how many subscribers do they have and how many The number of subscribers is probably the most important, as we can figure out some of the other information from the archives: http://mail.sf-day.org/pipermail/sfd-announce/ > mails get sent (in average and on peaks). How much delay can there be on > these mails? Especially in active discussions, a 2 hour delay between > replies is severely disturbing. > > I think the fact of the matter is that people are moving away from mail > as a (group) discussion medium in favor of chat-style platforms. I think > something like Mattermost or Element would serve well. Supplying these > with an e-mail notification system allows for users to tweak how they > get feedback asynchronously too. > > Just my €0.02 > Jurgen > > > On 10/10/2022 13:57, Benson Muite wrote: >> When does the migration need to be done? >> >> Shared hosting can start at $10 per year in some places. >> >> One could also run https://listmonk.app/ which maybe less resource >> intensive than mailman. >> >> freelists.org is another option. >> >> Can look into these if there is interest, it wouldbe helpful >> to know if there are any additional security/privacy requirements. >> >> >> On 10/10/22 06:27, Vance Kochenderfer WPLUG wrote: >>> I suggest checking with the OSU Open Source Lab. It appears that >>> Mailman mailing lists are one of the services they offer >>> <https://osuosl.org/services/hosting/details/>. A Free and Open Source >>> Software event I'm involved with, the OLF Conference, uses them for web >>> hosting with good results. (We don't have experience with using them >>> for mailing lists.) >>> >>> Later, >>> Vance >>> >>> On 10/9/22 22:52, Frederic Muller - DFF wrote: >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> It seems Canonical is retiring the server on which this mailing list >>>> is running and do not have any place for us. >>>> >>>> They have suggested a paid-for service as a replacement, but we??re >>>> looking at $5/month/list. Not something we have any budget for, >>>> >>>> Does anyone has any alternative suggestion to move somewhere else? >>> >>>

Oct. 20, 2022

Re: [SFD-discuss] mailing lists

by Jurgen Gaeremyn

Hi Vance, most mailing list applications only supply "newsletter" style mailinglists. This allows you to perform a "campaign" and send a newsletter to all the members. Mailman is a "discussion list" style mailinglist. It allows for all members of the list to send messages to the list. This approach is much more resource intensive, but essential for collaborative platforms Many hosting providers prohibit, throttle or limit the use of discussion mailing lists. My main webhoster (planethoster) allows Mailman but throttles mails at 350 mails per hour. My main discussion list platform (tigertech.net) allows Mailman, but prices vary depending on the number of lists, addressees and total number of mails sent. Important information to know if you want to host Mailman, is how many lists does DFF host, how many subscribers do they have and how many mails get sent (in average and on peaks). How much delay can there be on these mails? Especially in active discussions, a 2 hour delay between replies is severely disturbing. I think the fact of the matter is that people are moving away from mail as a (group) discussion medium in favor of chat-style platforms. I think something like Mattermost or Element would serve well. Supplying these with an e-mail notification system allows for users to tweak how they get feedback asynchronously too. Just my €0.02 Jurgen On 10/10/2022 13:57, Benson Muite wrote: > When does the migration need to be done? > > Shared hosting can start at $10 per year in some places. > > One could also run https://listmonk.app/ which maybe less resource > intensive than mailman. > > freelists.org is another option. > > Can look into these if there is interest, it wouldbe helpful > to know if there are any additional security/privacy requirements. > > > On 10/10/22 06:27, Vance Kochenderfer WPLUG wrote: >> I suggest checking with the OSU Open Source Lab. It appears that >> Mailman mailing lists are one of the services they offer >> <https://osuosl.org/services/hosting/details/>. A Free and Open Source >> Software event I'm involved with, the OLF Conference, uses them for web >> hosting with good results. (We don't have experience with using them >> for mailing lists.) >> >> Later, >> Vance >> >> On 10/9/22 22:52, Frederic Muller - DFF wrote: >>> Hi! >>> >>> It seems Canonical is retiring the server on which this mailing list >>> is running and do not have any place for us. >>> >>> They have suggested a paid-for service as a replacement, but we??re >>> looking at $5/month/list. Not something we have any budget for, >>> >>> Does anyone has any alternative suggestion to move somewhere else? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss

Oct. 10, 2022

Re: [SFD-discuss] mailing lists

by Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana

Hi, Em 09/10/2022 23:52, Frederic Muller - DFF escreveu: > Hi! > > It seems Canonical is retiring the server on which this mailing list is > running and do not have any place for us. > > They have suggested a paid-for service as a replacement, but we´re > looking at $5/month/list. Not something we have any budget for, > > Does anyone has any alternative suggestion to move somewhere else? Gandi has a free host for projects https://www.gandi.net/gandi-supports Best regards, -- Paulo Henrique de Lima Santana (phls) Belo Horizonte - Brasil Debian Developer Associado do Instituto para Conservação de Tecnologias Livres Site: http://phls.com.br GPG ID: 0443C450

Oct. 10, 2022

Re: [SFD-discuss] mailing lists

by Benson Muite

When does the migration need to be done? Shared hosting can start at $10 per year in some places. One could also run https://listmonk.app/ which maybe less resource intensive than mailman. freelists.org is another option. Can look into these if there is interest, it wouldbe helpful to know if there are any additional security/privacy requirements. On 10/10/22 06:27, Vance Kochenderfer WPLUG wrote: > I suggest checking with the OSU Open Source Lab. It appears that > Mailman mailing lists are one of the services they offer > <https://osuosl.org/services/hosting/details/>. A Free and Open Source > Software event I'm involved with, the OLF Conference, uses them for web > hosting with good results. (We don't have experience with using them > for mailing lists.) > > Later, > Vance > > On 10/9/22 22:52, Frederic Muller - DFF wrote: >> Hi! >> >> It seems Canonical is retiring the server on which this mailing list >> is running and do not have any place for us. >> >> They have suggested a paid-for service as a replacement, but we??re >> looking at $5/month/list. Not something we have any budget for, >> >> Does anyone has any alternative suggestion to move somewhere else? > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss

Oct. 10, 2022

Re: [SFD-discuss] mailing lists

by Vance Kochenderfer WPLUG

I suggest checking with the OSU Open Source Lab. It appears that Mailman mailing lists are one of the services they offer <https://osuosl.org/services/hosting/details/>. A Free and Open Source Software event I'm involved with, the OLF Conference, uses them for web hosting with good results. (We don't have experience with using them for mailing lists.) Later, Vance On 10/9/22 22:52, Frederic Muller - DFF wrote: > Hi! > > It seems Canonical is retiring the server on which this mailing list is > running and do not have any place for us. > > They have suggested a paid-for service as a replacement, but we??re > looking at $5/month/list. Not something we have any budget for, > > Does anyone has any alternative suggestion to move somewhere else?

Oct. 10, 2022

mailing lists

by Frederic Muller - DFF

Hi! It seems Canonical is retiring the server on which this mailing list is running and do not have any place for us. They have suggested a paid-for service as a replacement, but we´re looking at $5/month/list. Not something we have any budget for, Does anyone has any alternative suggestion to move somewhere else? Thank you. Fred

Oct. 10, 2022

Re: [SFD-discuss] Updating SFD date on SFD MAP

by Frederic Muller - DFF

Small notice. If your event date is the normal SFD date you do not need to do anything. By default we set your event date to the default date. Thank you and sorry for this omission. Fred On 14/09/2022 17:42, Frederic Muller - DFF wrote: > Hi! > > As mentioned in the SFD announcement we can now (or almost) change the > SFD event date appearing on SFD map but simply adding #DATE: YYYY-MM-DD > at the top of your wiki page. > > So let's say I will organize SFD on October 3rd this year I simply edit > the page I registered on the map and add this at the top: > #DATE: 2022-10-03 > > And that's it. > > We will update the data 4 times a day, so don't expect to see the > changes right after your edit. Give it at most 6 hours. > > If you're concerned someone might edit your event page and somewhat > enter a wrong date you can set your page to read only except for your > team editor. This is done by adding those line at the top of the page: > > #acl JohnDoe1,JohnDoe2:read,write,delete,revert,admin All:read > > The code is now written yet but should be completed by the end of the > day or tomorrow. > > Should you need any help please let us know here. > > Thank you. > > Fred

Sept. 14, 2022

Updating SFD date on SFD MAP

by Frederic Muller - DFF

Hi! As mentioned in the SFD announcement we can now (or almost) change the SFD event date appearing on SFD map but simply adding #DATE: YYYY-MM-DD at the top of your wiki page. So let's say I will organize SFD on October 3rd this year I simply edit the page I registered on the map and add this at the top: #DATE: 2022-10-03 And that's it. We will update the data 4 times a day, so don't expect to see the changes right after your edit. Give it at most 6 hours. If you're concerned someone might edit your event page and somewhat enter a wrong date you can set your page to read only except for your team editor. This is done by adding those line at the top of the page: #acl JohnDoe1,JohnDoe2:read,write,delete,revert,admin All:read The code is now written yet but should be completed by the end of the day or tomorrow. Should you need any help please let us know here. Thank you. Fred

Sept. 14, 2022

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2022

by ParaLivre

Is your question regarding the "Registered Event Maps"? I already asked this question in August/2022 and so far no response. Now if it's about the realization of the SFD in Portugal, just add "Portugal" on the wiki at https://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2022 -- José Roberto da Costa Ferreira Coordenador da ParaLivre - Comunidade Paraense de Software Livre ---- Em Sáb, 03 set 2022 07:13:03 -0300 Marcos Marado <mindboosternoori(a)gmail.com> escreveu --- Hi there, Can we please have the SFD registration open? Is there anything that can be done to help? Cheers, -- Marcos Marado _______________________________________________ SFD-discuss mailing list mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss

Sept. 6, 2022