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Re: [SFD-discuss] official SFD2011 DVDs are available via torrent for testing

by Jiří Navrátil

All, The page http://www.navratil.cz/SFD2011/ with torrent file has been updated with sizes in bytes and GBs + countdowns. I'm still doing research about using more torrents for same data (as per request to create separated torrent file per each ISO). My understanding is, that for our purpose, one torrent file for three DVDs is proper way (users can choose, which ISOs will be downloaded) The risk I see is, that when accessing same ISO files from more torrents can bring conflicts. I will come back on this. Exist MacFOSS disc? I can create a new torrent for this one. Best regards, Jiri -- Jiri Navratil, http://www.navratil.cz, +420 777 224 245 4. 9. 2011 v 9:47, Jiri Navratil: > I will create separate torrents too (now you can choose, which files you will download from this complete torrent) > > we can also add 4th for MacFOSS (I just need the ISO) > > I'm with family on Vltava river, will respond at evening Prague time > > thx > > --- > Jiri Navratil > > > 4.9.2011 v 8:28, Frederic Muller - SFI <fred(a)softwarefreedomday.org>: > >> Hi! >> >> I'm just back on a stable connection. Could we have 3 separate torrents >> (1 per disc) as well please? >> >> I'm just starting the download and not getting any peer or feed. >> >> Fred >> >> On 09/02/2011 11:55 PM, Jiří Navrátil wrote: >>> All, >>> >>> I see, that many downloads has finished. >>> >>> Could you let me know, if you see difference in speed and if there are >>> still issues for some of you to download ISOs? If the feedback will be >>> positive, we can use this way for distribution of ISOs and put torrent >>> on SFD page. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Jiri >>> >>> -- >>> Jiri Navratil, http://www.navratil.cz, +420 777 224 245 >>> >>> 31. 8. 2011 v 20:40, Jiří Navrátil: >>> >>>> and later for sharing with everyone. >>>> >>>> Could you kindly test it and seed as long as possible? (without rating >>>> limitation) >>>> >>>> I will also appreciate, if you can diff resulted DVD against the >>>> original ones you own. >>>> >>>> Details and torrent file is on http://www.navratil.cz/SFD2011/ After >>>> testing and with seeding of many of us, we can put the torrent file on >>>> official web and share with everyone. >>>> >>>> Thank you for participation. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Jiri >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jiri Navratil, http://www.navratil.cz <http://www.navratil.cz/>, +420 >>>> 777 224 245 >>>> >>>

Sept. 6, 2011

Re: [SFD-discuss] [OT] Web forums considered harmful

by Alexandro Colorado

I found most of this reasons useless. Forums is a well stablish technology as well as proven. Sites like sourceforge use forums as well as many million of users are used to it. Big projects like Audacity, OpenOffice.org and others use forums intensively. Althought I have to agree that it pulverize the communication, many users preffer forums specially for that reason. Forums are also easier to browse and dont force the users to read every single message. Forums are specially important because they provide a better presence on valuable posts. having them move up by popularity or sticky notes. Centralization of information is also imposible, imagine saying to the users, don't blog anymore because it generates conversations under your post which are unreachable from my mailing list and duplicate the communication channels.... I doubt you will get much uptake. Now multiply this on other channels, like youtube, twitter/identica and any other publishing environments. I am sure there are valuable comments on the SFD wall in facebook that this list will never see. That doesnt male the facebook presence a bad thing. The advantages of familiarity well outscore the annoyances. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 1:45 AM, Ivan Shmakov <ivan(a)gray.siamics.net> wrote: > >>>>> Alexey Eromenko <al4321(a)gmail.com> writes: > > Well, I may be risking to spark a flame war, but I'm deeply > concerned with the proliferation of Web-based discussions > software, and would like to share my concerns in the hope that > it'd allow those intending to deploy a discussion platform to > make a more weighted decision regarding the particular > technology the platform is to be based upon. > > > OpenDisc has no user forum (PHPbb). It is necessary. Without it it is > > impossible to form a community. Open-Source isn't worth much without > > community. Qumble has a forum. > > It's my opinion that Web forums divide more than then unite. > > In my experience, a typical Web forum has one or more of the > following issues: > > • no support for any “single identity, multiple services” > technology, such as OpenID or X.509 certificates whatsoever, > thus forcing the user to learn one more (login, password) pair > for no good reason; it quickly becomes a problem if the user > is interested in discussions in more than a few forums; > > • over-specialization and lack of cross-posting (or easy > multi-posting); there may be a forum for each of, say, > Postfix, Exim, Courier, and Sendmail; now, let's imagine that > user wants to choose an MTA for his or her own needs, and > seeks for opinions regarding all of the four; wouldn't it > become necessary to post the message to all these forums? and > it isn't nearly as easy with a typical Web forum as it is with > a mailing list or a Usenet newsgroup; > > • maintenance costs; while a Web forum requires considerable > maintenance (including paying bills to the hardware and > connectivity provider or providers), a Usenet newsgroup has > virtually none; > > • single point of failure; the current network of news servers > (which do indeed require maintenance, but that's a bit > different) provides redundancy, and Google Groups provide > archival; mailing list messages, once they are delivered to > one's mailbox, are also independent of the list server, and > may be archived by the user for his or her own convenience; > > • multiple points of access; while a subscription to a mailing > list or a newsgroup gives the user a powerful point of access > (namely, his or her Mail and News User Agent, possibly > combined with an Atom and RSS reader), it's necessary to > switch between different Web sites (and thus their respective > software) to post to different forums, and if the forum in > question lacks an Atom or RSS feed, even to read them! > > • deprivation of the user's freedom to choose the software to > use; while the user may, obviously, choose whatever Web > browser to use, a significant portion of a Web forum > implementation resides on the Web server, over which the user > has no control; if the administrators decide to use phpBB, the > user has no way of using the forum without using phpBB; on the > contrary, if, say, the preference of the newsgroup's creator > (or the mailing list administrator) is Gnus, the user is still > free to use SLRN if he or she so decides; > > • reliance on ECMAScript is not untypical; given that Lynx and > similar browsers lack ECMAScript, this may or may not have > some accessibility implications; on the contrary, there're > many character cell terminal-based (or “text-only”) News and > Mail User Agents, which, I believe, are typically compatible > with screen reading software. > > […] > > -- > FSF associate member #7257 Coming soon: Software Freedom Day > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/ planning-ru (ru), sfd-discuss (en) > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org fingerprint: E62B CF77 1BEA 0749 C0B8 50B9 3DE6 A84A 68D0 72E6

Sept. 6, 2011

[OT] Web forums considered harmful

by Ivan Shmakov

>>>>> Alexey Eromenko <al4321(a)gmail.com> writes: Well, I may be risking to spark a flame war, but I'm deeply concerned with the proliferation of Web-based discussions software, and would like to share my concerns in the hope that it'd allow those intending to deploy a discussion platform to make a more weighted decision regarding the particular technology the platform is to be based upon. > OpenDisc has no user forum (PHPbb). It is necessary. Without it it is > impossible to form a community. Open-Source isn't worth much without > community. Qumble has a forum. It's my opinion that Web forums divide more than then unite. In my experience, a typical Web forum has one or more of the following issues: • no support for any “single identity, multiple services” technology, such as OpenID or X.509 certificates whatsoever, thus forcing the user to learn one more (login, password) pair for no good reason; it quickly becomes a problem if the user is interested in discussions in more than a few forums; • over-specialization and lack of cross-posting (or easy multi-posting); there may be a forum for each of, say, Postfix, Exim, Courier, and Sendmail; now, let's imagine that user wants to choose an MTA for his or her own needs, and seeks for opinions regarding all of the four; wouldn't it become necessary to post the message to all these forums? and it isn't nearly as easy with a typical Web forum as it is with a mailing list or a Usenet newsgroup; • maintenance costs; while a Web forum requires considerable maintenance (including paying bills to the hardware and connectivity provider or providers), a Usenet newsgroup has virtually none; • single point of failure; the current network of news servers (which do indeed require maintenance, but that's a bit different) provides redundancy, and Google Groups provide archival; mailing list messages, once they are delivered to one's mailbox, are also independent of the list server, and may be archived by the user for his or her own convenience; • multiple points of access; while a subscription to a mailing list or a newsgroup gives the user a powerful point of access (namely, his or her Mail and News User Agent, possibly combined with an Atom and RSS reader), it's necessary to switch between different Web sites (and thus their respective software) to post to different forums, and if the forum in question lacks an Atom or RSS feed, even to read them! • deprivation of the user's freedom to choose the software to use; while the user may, obviously, choose whatever Web browser to use, a significant portion of a Web forum implementation resides on the Web server, over which the user has no control; if the administrators decide to use phpBB, the user has no way of using the forum without using phpBB; on the contrary, if, say, the preference of the newsgroup's creator (or the mailing list administrator) is Gnus, the user is still free to use SLRN if he or she so decides; • reliance on ECMAScript is not untypical; given that Lynx and similar browsers lack ECMAScript, this may or may not have some accessibility implications; on the contrary, there're many character cell terminal-based (or “text-only”) News and Mail User Agents, which, I believe, are typically compatible with screen reading software. […] -- FSF associate member #7257 Coming soon: Software Freedom Day http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/ planning-ru (ru), sfd-discuss (en)

Sept. 6, 2011

Re: [SFD-discuss] New countdown language: Czech!

by Frederic Muller - SFI

Excellent! Thanks a lot, wiki page updated! New code for Czech is : <a href="http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/"><img src="http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/countdown/banner1-UTC+2-cs.png" border="0" width="190" height="200" alt="Oslavujte s námi SFD 17. září"></a> Fred On 09/06/2011 10:51 AM, Jiří Navrátil wrote: > Oslavujte s námi SFD 17. září

Sept. 6, 2011

Re: [SFD-discuss] New countdown language: Czech!

by Jiří Navrátil

> 'Celebrate SFD with us on > September 17!' is in Czech: Oslavujte s námi SFD 17. září Thank you! -- Jiri Navratil, http://www.navratil.cz, +420 777 224 245 6. 9. 2011 v 3:38, Frederic Muller - SFI: > Yeah! > > A silent individual who goes under the wiki name of eischmann has > translated the countdown into Czech. I just added the language into the > script and it will be available within 10 minutes. > > So if you live in Prague you will be at GMT+2 (summer time) and the code > to copy and paste in your web site is > > <a href="http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/"><img > src="http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/countdown/banner1-UTC+2-cs.png" > border="0" width="190" height="200" alt="Celebrate SFD with us on > September 17!"></a> > > Again, it'd be nice if someone could translate 'Celebrate SFD with us on > September 17!' either by replying here or directly in the wiki page. > > Thank you and happy SFD! > > Fred > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss

Sept. 6, 2011

New countdown language: Czech!

by Frederic Muller - SFI

Yeah! A silent individual who goes under the wiki name of eischmann has translated the countdown into Czech. I just added the language into the script and it will be available within 10 minutes. So if you live in Prague you will be at GMT+2 (summer time) and the code to copy and paste in your web site is <a href="http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/"><img src="http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/countdown/banner1-UTC+2-cs.png" border="0" width="190" height="200" alt="Celebrate SFD with us on September 17!"></a> Again, it'd be nice if someone could translate 'Celebrate SFD with us on September 17!' either by replying here or directly in the wiki page. Thank you and happy SFD! Fred

Sept. 6, 2011

Re: [SFD-discuss] official SFD2011 DVDs are available via torrent for testing

by Quiliro Ordóñez

Please download the latest version of Parabola from http://repo.parabolagnulinux.org/isos/testing/ The version on the DVD is flawed and requiers installing Grub post intstallation. Parabola has proved very light and up to date. The best is it is an entierly Free distro that teaches you GNU by showing you its internals while you easily install. -- Quiliro Ordóñez 09 821 8696 02 340 1517 "No se puede sacrificar la libertad por ningún bien, por ninguna promesa de pan o de paz o de justicia, porque ese pan tendría amargura de veneno, esa paz sería de muerte, y esa justicia no sería justicia humana ni tendría sentido." Alfredo Pérez G.

Sept. 5, 2011

Re: [SFD-discuss] How to receive the goodies duty free in Chennai, India?

by karan pratap singh

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Frederic Muller - SFI < fred(a)softwarefreedomday.org> wrote: > Hi! > > I gave you a few tips on the IRC channel, we also have a letter with SFI > letterhead which you can customize, print and provide to the custom > officers as a proof that you're a valid SFD team. Don't hesitate to give > them our website url, your wiki team page and the map URL page where > they can find you. The more motivated you are the more chances you have > to convince them to let the CDs go. > > http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Resources/CustomLetter > > Hope this help. > > +1, I am suffering the same problem here in Chandigarh, India! :( Thanks, this information is very helpful indeed! :D > Fred > > On 09/05/2011 10:59 PM, Shrinivasan T wrote: > > Friends > > > > We, ILUGC team from chennai, India > > > http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011/India/Chennai/IndianLinuxUsersGroup… > > > > received a call from TNT to get the goodies parcel. > > > > They ask us for the customs duty. > > > > Is there any possible to get it as duty free? > > > > Is there any India Team gets is duty free? > > > > Thanks a lot for the parcel. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > -- regards, Karan Pratap Singh

Sept. 5, 2011

Re: [SFD-discuss] How to receive the goodies duty free in Chennai, India?

by Frederic Muller - SFI

Hi! I gave you a few tips on the IRC channel, we also have a letter with SFI letterhead which you can customize, print and provide to the custom officers as a proof that you're a valid SFD team. Don't hesitate to give them our website url, your wiki team page and the map URL page where they can find you. The more motivated you are the more chances you have to convince them to let the CDs go. http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Resources/CustomLetter Hope this help. Fred On 09/05/2011 10:59 PM, Shrinivasan T wrote: > Friends > > We, ILUGC team from chennai, India > http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011/India/Chennai/IndianLinuxUsersGroup… > > received a call from TNT to get the goodies parcel. > > They ask us for the customs duty. > > Is there any possible to get it as duty free? > > Is there any India Team gets is duty free? > > Thanks a lot for the parcel. >

Sept. 5, 2011

How to receive the goodies duty free in Chennai, India?

by Shrinivasan T

Friends We, ILUGC team from chennai, India http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011/India/Chennai/IndianLinuxUsersGroup… received a call from TNT to get the goodies parcel. They ask us for the customs duty. Is there any possible to get it as duty free? Is there any India Team gets is duty free? Thanks a lot for the parcel. -- Regards, T.Shrinivasan My Life with GNU/Linux : http://goinggnu.wordpress.com Free/Open Source Jobs : http://fossjobs.in Get CollabNet Subversion Edge : http://www.collab.net/svnedge

Sept. 5, 2011