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Re: [SFD-discuss] Using the Shapado Q&A for "post-SFD" suport

by Frederic Muller - SFI

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/10/2011 07:08 PM, Fabián Rodríguez wrote: > Hi everyone > > As many of you, ** after Sept. 17 ** I anticipate the questions and > requests for help from people that will discover free software or > will become more curious about it with this event. I think that's a great point and we should definitely keep a section for visitors ending up on sfd website and looking for more information between each celebration (or as a direct follow up of SFD). > > I'd like to propose we show participants how to use Shapado FLOSS, > a Q&A site where questions can be asked in most any language, > while providing a reputation/score system for questions and > answers: http://floss.shapado.com/ > > This is powered by Shapado, and hasn't seen much exposure/use yet, > but works well. Other FLOSS projects have adopted the same engine, > creating microsites which share authentication and resources: > http://ask.debian.net/ (official) http://owncloud.shapado.com/ > (official) http://libreoffice.shapado.com/ (unofficial) > http://ubuntu.shapado.com/ (unofficial) Looks very much like a discussion forum to me (with voting, though voting seems to only be handled as a tag and not to push stuff up by default). A Q&A section should on the contrary not be a discussion area but a carefully planned answer list to what people may or may not be thinking about. Any missing question should then be asked through our normal communication channels. As I have been saying in the past I don't think mailing lists (or GMANE) are well suited for people wanting to ask a one time question (one may argue that Google probably is... ;-) ) or for people who simply do not like mailing lists. > .. > > And the list goes on. > > For general FLOSS questions, including Mac/Windows related ones, I > find this may be an excellent way to provide post-SFD support and > assistance to the people we will meet. It provides several > advantages over forums and newsgroups, while presenting a > multilingual web interface that is easier to use and builds > FAQ-like knowledge over time. > > Shapado has an IRC channel if anyone here has questions (#shapado > on Freenode) and of course dogfoods its own Q&A at Shapado.com. If > anyone wants to help with the admin/graphic design or moderation > of the FLOSS microsite, please come by IRC and ask around. I have > no other connection with the project than being an avid user and > moderator / creator of some of the links mentioned above. > > Let me know what you think, I will be adding a sheet of "essential > FLOSS local links" to our promo material and it will include > http://floss.shapado.com/. Likewise I am not a big fan of hosting my data in someone else home and should we run something similar on SFD servers that will have to go through integration with existing services as much as possible, and familiarity from the admins. So no Shapado right now obviously, but working out a nice Q&A section will be added on the todos. Thanks a lot. Fred > > Cheers, > > Fabian Rodriguez Montral, QC, Canada > http://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:MagicFab ~ > http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011/Canada/Montreal > > > > _______________________________________________ SFD-discuss > mailing list SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5rj0EACgkQoKznslZ0d243nQCfYTNX5+124N6nc3d+4mGQzOG7 S4EAnjVgQ4UEHAzM5qfWutAhcAaEANpn =InLV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 10, 2011

Re: [SFD-discuss] Using the Shapado Q&A for "post-SFD" suport

by Frederic Muller - SFI

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/10/2011 07:08 PM, Fabián Rodríguez wrote: > Hi everyone > > As many of you, ** after Sept. 17 ** I anticipate the questions > and requests for help from people that will discover free software > or will become more curious about it with this event. I think that's a great point and we should in fact keep a section for visitors ending up on sfd website and looking for more information between each celebration. > > I'd like to propose we show participants how to use Shapado FLOSS, > a Q&A site where questions can be asked in most any language, while > providing a reputation/score system for questions and answers: > http://floss.shapado.com/ > > This is powered by Shapado, and hasn't seen much exposure/use yet, > but works well. Other FLOSS projects have adopted the same engine, > creating microsites which share authentication and resources: > http://ask.debian.net/ (official) http://owncloud.shapado.com/ > (official) http://libreoffice.shapado.com/ (unofficial) > http://ubuntu.shapado.com/ (unofficial) Looks very much like a forum discussion to me (with voting, though voting seems to only be handled as a tag and not to push stuff up by default). Q&A section should on the contrary not be a discussion but a carefully planned answer list to what people may or may not wonder about. Anything else should then be asked through our normal communication channels. As I have been saying in the past I don't think mailing lists (or GMANE) are well suited for people wanting to ask a one time question (one may argue that Google probably is... ;-) ) or for people who simply do not like mailing lists. > .. > > And the list goes on. > > For general FLOSS questions, including Mac/Windows related ones, I > find this may be an excellent way to provide post-SFD support and > assistance to the people we will meet. It provides several > advantages over forums and newsgroups, while presenting a > multilingual web interface that is easier to use and builds > FAQ-like knowledge over time. > > Shapado has an IRC channel if anyone here has questions (#shapado > on Freenode) and of course dogfoods its own Q&A at Shapado.com. If > anyone wants to help with the admin/graphic design or moderation of > the FLOSS microsite, please come by IRC and ask around. I have no > other connection with the project than being an avid user and > moderator / creator of some of the links mentioned above. > > Let me know what you think, I will be adding a sheet of "essential > FLOSS local links" to our promo material and it will include > http://floss.shapado.com/. Likewise I am not a big fan of hosting my data in someone else home and should we run something similar on SFD servers that will have to go through integration with existing services as much as possible, and familiarity from the admins. So no Shapado right now obviously, but working out a nice Q&A section will be added on the todos. Thanks a lot. Fred > > Cheers, > > Fabian Rodriguez Montral, QC, Canada > http://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:MagicFab ~ > http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011/Canada/Montreal > > > > _______________________________________________ SFD-discuss mailing > list SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5rjisACgkQoKznslZ0d24NPACfZ9Fk9NcLvimM0eBHi0k3ceGl SyMAoIG939mUeEssWRsYzHszg5BJpYwT =4Kgx -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 10, 2011

Re: [SFD-discuss] New OpenDisc release for SFD

by Fabián Rodríguez

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/09/2011 10:00 AM, Marcelo Araldi wrote: > I vote for LibreOffice :) > > *Marcelo Araldi me encontre na web! > <http://about.me/marceloaraldi>** * > > > > 2011/9/9 Jiří Navrátil <jiri(a)navratil.cz <mailto:jiri@navratil.cz>> > > Phil, > > Could you let me know, which non-free games I have to remove from > SFD2011OpenDisc.iso ? (preferable filenames on DVD) > > Fred, > > shall I remove openoffice and add libreoffice from OpenDisc.11.09.iso > ? > This made me think, if anyone wants to distribute a separate LibreOffice DVD here is how I put together a local version for Quebec: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/User:MagicFab/LibODVD Cheers, Fabian Rodriguez Montral, QC, Canada http://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:MagicFab ~ http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011/Canada/Montreal -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5riEMACgkQfUcTXFrypNXXGgCeNVu0/2+hixFUjW5/vUJX9+rr SyAAoKq2aZwiKM8k5vnlU7xyJ1EbArK8 =lwEu -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 10, 2011

Re: [SFD-discuss] JoinDiaspora and other SaaS alternatives

by Julian H. Stacey

> > another tools for SaaS discussion on SFD should you come across such No idea what SaaS was. I looked it up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SaaS "Software as a service" Just another marketing buzzword: "The concept of SaaS has been popularized by Salesforce.com, which coined the term "The End of Software" to differentiate its (then new) software-as-a-service approach .... Yawn ! Amusing bit: "Data escrow .... 85 percent of the participants wanted to take a copy of their SaaS data. A third of these participants wanted a copy on a daily basis." People askng about SAAS & clouds could be told: Remote data & service clouds can evaporate. A free app. or server one installs localy from eg an SFD CDROM/DVD, is an app. & data a remote admin on a remote SAAS server + cloud can't break for you by unexpected upgrade, service removal, bankruptcy, net outage, or deciding to go commercial & charge for next week. SAAS & clouds are not the direction UK government is going eg tax office & companies house (co. reg. authority) are pushing processing on to applicants PCs (Processing of PDF v. 1.7 editable forms for tax returns by Adobe Reader etc), Central servers are just for upload on completion, Not remote SAAS processing. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; Indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. http://www.softwarefreedomday.org 17th Sept, http://berklix.org/sfd/ Oct.

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Re: [SFD-discuss] JoinDiaspora and other SaaS alternatives

by Pockey Lam

Hi Fabrian, I would be more than happy to try out diaspora so, I went to joindiaspora.com and invite myself~ it works too! Pockey On 09/10/2011 07:13 PM, Fabián Rodríguez wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi everyone > > If you are on Diaspora's main pod (at joindiaspora.com) please consider > adding me to your aspects -> magicfab(a)joindiaspora.com > > If you are not but would like to be, please email me offlist with your > preferred email address and I can send you an invite. To find out more > about Diaspora, see: > https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Diaspora > > I think in SFD's context it's important we anticipate questions about > using SaaS social networks, particularly Facebook and G+, and if we know > or have tried others such as Diaspora, it makes for an interesting > discussion on SFD, or even a viable alternative. > > I'd love to hear opinions on this, although my goal is only to provide > another tools for SaaS discussion on SFD should you come across such > questions. And interesting list of such alternatives for other services > can be seen here, don't hesitate to augment/modify it: > http://wiki.autonomo.us/Wish_list > > Cheers, > > Fabian Rodriguez > Montral, QC, Canada > http://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:MagicFab > ~ > http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011/Canada/Montreal > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAk5rRl8ACgkQfUcTXFrypNVnjwCgt8MIpdhHezvOPOsad1h0Ht02 > 5IYAoPSjONXaXNB1DtR/XfQ7EEQivzN3 > =Lhh1 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

Sept. 10, 2011

JoinDiaspora and other SaaS alternatives

by Fabián Rodríguez

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone If you are on Diaspora's main pod (at joindiaspora.com) please consider adding me to your aspects -> magicfab(a)joindiaspora.com If you are not but would like to be, please email me offlist with your preferred email address and I can send you an invite. To find out more about Diaspora, see: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Diaspora I think in SFD's context it's important we anticipate questions about using SaaS social networks, particularly Facebook and G+, and if we know or have tried others such as Diaspora, it makes for an interesting discussion on SFD, or even a viable alternative. I'd love to hear opinions on this, although my goal is only to provide another tools for SaaS discussion on SFD should you come across such questions. And interesting list of such alternatives for other services can be seen here, don't hesitate to augment/modify it: http://wiki.autonomo.us/Wish_list Cheers, Fabian Rodriguez Montral, QC, Canada http://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:MagicFab ~ http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011/Canada/Montreal -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5rRl8ACgkQfUcTXFrypNVnjwCgt8MIpdhHezvOPOsad1h0Ht02 5IYAoPSjONXaXNB1DtR/XfQ7EEQivzN3 =Lhh1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 10, 2011

Using the Shapado Q&A for "post-SFD" suport

by Fabián Rodríguez

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone As many of you, ** after Sept. 17 ** I anticipate the questions and requests for help from people that will discover free software or will become more curious about it with this event. I'd like to propose we show participants how to use Shapado FLOSS, a Q&A site where questions can be asked in most any language, while providing a reputation/score system for questions and answers: http://floss.shapado.com/ This is powered by Shapado, and hasn't seen much exposure/use yet, but works well. Other FLOSS projects have adopted the same engine, creating microsites which share authentication and resources: http://ask.debian.net/ (official) http://owncloud.shapado.com/ (official) http://libreoffice.shapado.com/ (unofficial) http://ubuntu.shapado.com/ (unofficial) .. And the list goes on. For general FLOSS questions, including Mac/Windows related ones, I find this may be an excellent way to provide post-SFD support and assistance to the people we will meet. It provides several advantages over forums and newsgroups, while presenting a multilingual web interface that is easier to use and builds FAQ-like knowledge over time. Shapado has an IRC channel if anyone here has questions (#shapado on Freenode) and of course dogfoods its own Q&A at Shapado.com. If anyone wants to help with the admin/graphic design or moderation of the FLOSS microsite, please come by IRC and ask around. I have no other connection with the project than being an avid user and moderator / creator of some of the links mentioned above. Let me know what you think, I will be adding a sheet of "essential FLOSS local links" to our promo material and it will include http://floss.shapado.com/. Cheers, Fabian Rodriguez Montral, QC, Canada http://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:MagicFab ~ http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011/Canada/Montreal -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5rRT0ACgkQfUcTXFrypNUQTQCgveCix1EQf+j3GgJOz5MC3WIi Wj8AoLRC2Bh7Rk4AWvxEiuu++0nT72C9 =Aw/9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 10, 2011

Re: [SFD-discuss] New OpenDisc release for SFD

by Jiří Navrátil

Thanky you Fred. I'm glad I can help. You, Diego and others did much more then myself. Thank you to YOU ALL. Have a good weekend, Jiri -- Jiri Navratil, http://www.navratil.cz, +420 777 224 245 9. 9. 2011 v 7:22, Frederic Muller - SFI: > Very kind of you to spend so much time. On behalf of SFI thank you to > you and Diego who did the DVDs. > > Fred > > On 09/09/2011 01:15 PM, Jiri Navratil wrote: >> sorry, I was too quick >> >> I will remove two games (will search their names in old emails) from SFD OpenDisc and create new ISO and new torrent >> >> --- >> Jiri Navratil >> >> >> 9.9.2011 v 7:12, Jiri Navratil <jiri(a)navratil.cz>: >> >>> I will replace OpenDisc with new version and publish updated torrent >>> >>> Shall I add MacFOSS too, to have torrent complete (all 4 DVDs)? >>> >>> Thx >>> >>> --- >>> Jiri Navratil >>> >>> >>> 9.9.2011 v 5:08, Frederic Muller - SFI <fred(a)softwarefreedomday.org>: >>> >>>> Hi! >>>> >>>> I think we should update the disc we made and remove those 2 games, >>>> update the torrent. We discussed about OOo vs. LO when making the disk >>>> and it seems LO is less stable on Windows. >>>> >>>> Jiri, is still something you feel comfortable in doing? If not we can >>>> also just drop that OpenDisc from the torrent and keep the other 2 files. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> Fred >>>> >>>> On 09/09/2011 02:46 AM, Phil Harper wrote: >>>>> I'd be inclined to drop the torrent, since it's got non-free games and >>>>> the now deprecated Go-oo rather than libreoffice, this opendisc update >>>>> seems far preferable. >>>>> >>>>> 2011/9/8 Jiří Navrátil <jiri(a)navratil.cz>: >>>>>> Hi Fred, >>>>>> >>>>>> The new OpenDisc.11.09.iso is 1,4GB big. The SFD2011OpenDisc.iso we are sharing via torrent have 2,3GB. Shall I replace SFD2011OpenDisc.iso with OpenDisc.11.09.iso in torrent? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thx, >>>>>> Jiri >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Jiri Navratil, http://www.navratil.cz, +420 777 224 245 >>>>>> >>>>>> 8. 9. 2011 v 3:43, Frederic Muller - SFI: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear all, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Just wanted to let you know that Chris Gray, OpenDisc maintainer, has >>>>>>> just release an updated version of The OpenDisc right in time for SFD. >>>>>>> He is also apparently working on preparing a new home for the project at >>>>>>> http://opendisc.co/ but I encourage you all go and visit the project >>>>>>> site at http://www.theopendisc.com/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you Chris. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Fred >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>>>>>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>>>>>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>>>>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>>>>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss

Sept. 10, 2011

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD Philippines 2011

by Pockey Lam

Hi Gladys, On 09/10/2011 12:32 PM, Gladys Regalado wrote: > Hello everyone! > > We already received the Ubuntu CDs and received our postal notice for > the team pack! Nice to hear that teams from Philippines also starting to receive their team packs~ > > You can find our event updates here: www.sfdphilippines.org > <http://www.sfdphilippines.org>. > > So far we've had 3 pre-event meet-ups, 47 schools, 54 organizations > with a total of 2074 registered participants. Impressive! Can't wait to look at your event pictures and report ;-) All the best to your SFD event! Pockey

Sept. 10, 2011

Re: [SFD-discuss] New OpenDisc release for SFD

by Jiří Navrátil

Sorry, my computer crashed. I started it again (now is morning in Prague) and I'm seeding. On your client, after replacing torrent file with the updated one from http://www.navratil.cz/SFD2011/, only OpenDisc shall be transferred. Have a good weekend, Jiri -- Jiri Navratil, http://www.navratil.cz, +420 777 224 245 9. 9. 2011 v 23:19, Jiří Navrátil: > Hi Fred, > > Thank you very much for these detailed instructions. It's done. http://www.navratil.cz/SFD2011/ is updated with new torrent file and new details about OpenDisc. > > My torrent client is slowly checking hash, so it will start seeding after that. > > Best regards, > Jiri > > -- > Jiri Navratil, http://www.navratil.cz, +420 777 224 245 > > 9. 9. 2011 v 16:40, Frederic Muller - SFI: > >> Quoting Phil: >> "two games that are [...] clones of commercial products, civ and >> col, and two more, warsow and alien arena, that are only open source >> if you're talking exclusively about the engines, the game content is >> non-free". >> >> That would mean to remove namely: >> /html/programs/freeciv.exe >> /html/en/freeciv.html >> /html/programs/freecol.exe >> /html/en/freecol.html >> /html/programs/warsow.exe >> /html/en/warsow.html >> /html/programs/alienarena.exe >> /html/en/alienarena.html >> >> And you'll need to edit /html/en/games.html to remove the lines in the >> html table that refer to those 4 games. >> >> For OpenOffice.org it's the 3.3.0 and not the Go-oo version. I'd say it >> should be ok to keep that one and wouldn't requite to modify icons and >> html pages from the disk. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Fred >> >> On 09/09/2011 09:56 PM, Jiří Navrátil wrote: >>> Phil, >>> >>> Could you let me know, which non-free games I have to remove from SFD2011OpenDisc.iso ? (preferable filenames on DVD) >>> >>> Fred, >>> >>> shall I remove openoffice and add libreoffice from OpenDisc.11.09.iso ? >>> >>> Thx, >>> Jiri >>> >>> -- >>> Jiri Navratil, http://www.navratil.cz, +420 777 224 245 >>> >>> 8. 9. 2011 v 20:46, Phil Harper: >>> >>>> I'd be inclined to drop the torrent, since it's got non-free games and >>>> the now deprecated Go-oo rather than libreoffice, this opendisc update >>>> seems far preferable. >>> >>> >

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