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Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD Philippines 2011

by Marcelo Araldi

Can't wait for it to arrive in Brazil! *Marcelo Araldi me encontre na web! <http://about.me/marceloaraldi>** * 2011/9/11 J. R. <akoni_claude(a)yahoo.com.ph> > Hello, > > 2 packages also received here in Leyte, Philippines > we will celebrate SFD this coming Friday (Sept 16). > > > cheers, > JR Galia > http://jrgalia.com > > > >________________________________ > >From: Pockey Lam <pockey(a)softwarefreedomday.org> > >To: Gladys Regalado <gladys(a)cp-union.com> > >Cc: foss(a)cp-union.com; Open discussions about SFD <sfd-discuss(a)sf-day.org > > > >Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 3:33 PM > >Subject: Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD Philippines 2011 > > > > > >Hi Gladys, > > > >On 09/10/2011 12:32 PM, Gladys Regalado wrote: > >Hello everyone! > >> > >>We already received the Ubuntu CDs and received our postal notice > for the team pack! > >> > >Nice to hear that teams from Philippines also starting to receive > their team packs~ > > > > > > > >>You can find our event updates here: www.sfdphilippines.org. > >> > >>So far we've had 3 pre-event meet-ups, 47 schools, 54 > organizations with a total of 2074 registered participants. > >> > >Impressive! Can't wait to look at your event pictures and report ;-) > > > >All the best to your SFD event! > > > >Pockey > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >SFD-discuss mailing list > >SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > >http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

Sept. 12, 2011

Re: [SFD-discuss] [OT] Web forums considered harmful

by Julian H. Stacey

No interest in chat about forums & other buzz words, opinions on that endless, like "Which beer or laptop best" Could have been discussed months ago. Too late now. Its getting very near SFD day. Best keep list quiet & reading time minimal, clear for anything new that might arise. eg URLs to .iso's & lists of lectures one can borrow from elsewhere on the globe if a local lecturer can't get his presentation prepared in time. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below, not above; Indent with "> "; Cumulative like a play script. Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. http://www.softwarefreedomday.org 17 Sept, http://berklix.org/sfd/ 22 Oct.

Sept. 12, 2011

Re: [SFD-discuss] [OT] Web forums considered harmful

by Fabián Rodríguez

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/12/2011 05:23 AM, Ivan Shmakov wrote: >>>>>> Alexandro Colorado <jza(a)openoffice.org> writes: > >> I found most of this reasons useless. > > … But not invalid? > >> Forums is a well stablish technology as well as proven. Sites like >> sourceforge use forums as well as many million of users are used >> to it. Big projects like Audacity, OpenOffice.org and others use >> forums intensively. > > However, during my participation (however short) in several free > software development projects, I've never had to use a Web forum to > communicate to the other developers. Keyword here: *developers* > The development of such a major free software components as, e. g., > Ext4, GRASS GIS, SQLite, and the Linux kernel, is centered around the > respective mailing lists, not to mention the Debian project, which > uses them quite extensively. > >> Althought I have to agree that it pulverize the communication, >> many users preffer forums specially for that reason. Keyword here: *users* > I wonder, what's the reason? > >> Forums are also easier to browse > > How is it so? One click, zero configuration, and you decide when you get the information (unlike email which is added to your daily data). >> and dont force the users to read every single message. > > Neither mailing lists do. And, of course, it doesn't apply to > newsgroups, either. The assumption on mailing lists is you do read the messages, as you subscribe to them. On forums the etiquette may vary. [...] >> Forums are specially important because they provide a better >> presence on valuable posts. having them move up by popularity or >> sticky notes. > Indeed, it's a valid point. > > Not that it's impossible to solve this problem for mailing lists or > newsgroups, but I know of no well-established solution. (Although I > have some ideas on the issue, but won't probably be able to get to > working on them anytime soon.) The content is there, we can make it disciverable in may other ways. RSS feeds can be reused/imported or simply mentinoning the most valuable posts every week/month, etc. Most projects folow this either informally (blogging, microblogging, interviews, radio, etc) or more formally (weekly review, reports, magazines). On of the best examnples I can cite of public outreach via a blog combining email subscriptions (which I hadn't used in a long time and did when coming across this one) is Raphael Hertzog's blog: http://raphaelhertzog.com/ - check its structure and timing for posts carefully. Other newer tools and approaches (such as rated Q&A like Shapado, which I metioned recently) establish new channels which can be combined with IRC and microblogging on even sites and communities where developers tend to hangout even less, particularly non-free, SaaS-only, etc. as per our context - such as Twitter, LinkedIn, etc. We have to think way beyond mailing lists and forums to reach as many people as possible. >> Centralization of information is also imposible, > Neither it's necessary. And the Internet news technology offers > probably the best currently available solution to decentralization. *Federation* on the other hand, is desirable. Perhaps a subject for another thread. >> imagine saying to the users, don't blog anymore because it >> generates conversations under your post which are unreachable from >> my mailing list and duplicate the communication channels.... I >> doubt you will get much uptake. Now multiply this on other >> channels, like youtube, twitter/identica and any other publishing >> environments. > > Honestly, I don't understand the very purpose of blogging. Moreover, > having no easy way to archive the texts I've written on my own media > simply makes me nervous. *Channels* is another keyword here. Discoverability is what I aim for when posting to several channels. With platforms like Wordpress it's dead easy to export in XML or database-query formats to save your data, you should check it out. A blog post is also a good way to summarize and gather resources and ideas, opinions, and facts, which can then be re-used easily. >> I am sure there are valuable comments on the SFD wall in facebook >> that this list will never see. That doesnt male the facebook >> presence a bad thing. The advantages of familiarity well outscore >> the annoyances. > > Perhaps. Well, it does make it a bad thing as Facebook can disappear or change (as it's happened to group pages) and if the content is *exclusively there*, it is lost. The key here is to try and not post there exclusively and share back whatever valuable unique information may be seen there. Google makes it easy for all its properties to keep your data (see http://www.dataliberation.org/) but one key component is missing: the social relationships people give to the data. This is part of the warning we need to keep in mind when using such servcies. As such, I prefer duplicating such relationships elsewhere for now. Cheers, Fabian Rodriguez Montreal, QC, Canada http://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:MagicFab ~ http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2011/Canada/Montreal -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: PGP/Mime available upon request Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5t1ckACgkQfUcTXFrypNVLYACg2BpPflAhRognvjom5t3TtdnA VDIAoOUVxQFh5xDNgQ7ycG7HVTVgd8Ra =ShGF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 12, 2011

Re: [SFD-discuss] [OT] Web forums considered harmful

by Ivan Shmakov

>>>>> Alexandro Colorado <jza(a)openoffice.org> writes: > I found most of this reasons useless. … But not invalid? > Forums is a well stablish technology as well as proven. Sites like > sourceforge use forums as well as many million of users are used to > it. Big projects like Audacity, OpenOffice.org and others use forums > intensively. However, during my participation (however short) in several free software development projects, I've never had to use a Web forum to communicate to the other developers. The development of such a major free software components as, e. g., Ext4, GRASS GIS, SQLite, and the Linux kernel, is centered around the respective mailing lists, not to mention the Debian project, which uses them quite extensively. > Althought I have to agree that it pulverize the communication, many > users preffer forums specially for that reason. I wonder, what's the reason? > Forums are also easier to browse How is it so? > and dont force the users to read every single message. Neither mailing lists do. And, of course, it doesn't apply to newsgroups, either. Over the last five years, my Google Mail's INBOX has accumulated, I guess, a few thousands of conversations that I've not only not participated in, but not even read a sufficient fraction of the messages therein. > Forums are specially important because they provide a better presence > on valuable posts. having them move up by popularity or sticky notes. Indeed, it's a valid point. Not that it's impossible to solve this problem for mailing lists or newsgroups, but I know of no well-established solution. (Although I have some ideas on the issue, but won't probably be able to get to working on them anytime soon.) > Centralization of information is also imposible, Neither it's necessary. And the Internet news technology offers probably the best currently available solution to decentralization. > imagine saying to the users, don't blog anymore because it generates > conversations under your post which are unreachable from my mailing > list and duplicate the communication channels.... I doubt you will > get much uptake. Now multiply this on other channels, like youtube, > twitter/identica and any other publishing environments. Honestly, I don't understand the very purpose of blogging. Moreover, having no easy way to archive the texts I've written on my own media simply makes me nervous. > I am sure there are valuable comments on the SFD wall in facebook > that this list will never see. That doesnt male the facebook presence > a bad thing. The advantages of familiarity well outscore the > annoyances. Perhaps. -- FSF associate member #7257 Coming soon: Software Freedom Day http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/ planning-ru (ru), sfd-discuss (en)

Sept. 12, 2011

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-discuss Digest, Vol 54, Issue 22

by Wilson, Francis

I downloaded OpenDisc.11.09.iso (or so I thought), but when I finished burning the disk, it seemed to be OpenDisc 09.07! Can someone explain the discrepancy? Francis Wilson

Sept. 11, 2011

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD Philippines 2011

by J. R.

Hello, 2 packages also received here in Leyte, Philippines we will celebrate SFD this coming Friday (Sept 16). cheers, JR Galia http://jrgalia.com >________________________________ >From: Pockey Lam <pockey(a)softwarefreedomday.org> >To: Gladys Regalado <gladys(a)cp-union.com> >Cc: foss(a)cp-union.com; Open discussions about SFD <sfd-discuss(a)sf-day.org> >Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2011 3:33 PM >Subject: Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD Philippines 2011 > > >Hi Gladys, > >On 09/10/2011 12:32 PM, Gladys Regalado wrote: >Hello everyone! >> >>We already received the Ubuntu CDs and received our postal notice for the team pack! >> >Nice to hear that teams from Philippines also starting to receive their team packs~ > > > >>You can find our event updates here: www.sfdphilippines.org. >> >>So far we've had 3 pre-event meet-ups, 47 schools, 54 organizations with a total of 2074 registered participants. >> >Impressive! Can't wait to look at your event pictures and report ;-) > >All the best to your SFD event! > >Pockey > > >_______________________________________________ >SFD-discuss mailing list >SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > >

Sept. 11, 2011

Re: [SFD-discuss] Free and Open Source software for Windows compilations TTCS OSSWIN DVD and TTCS FSWIN CD available online for SFD 2011

by Dev Anand Teelucksingh

Hello Frederic, Unfortunately, the TTCS did not register for SFD as our workload (and lack of time) made it difficult to do a proper SFD event this month worthy of our previous efforts from 2006-2010 this year. Dev Anand Teelucksingh On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Frederic Muller - SFI <fred(a)softwarefreedomday.org> wrote: > Hey guys! > > Nice to see you're still maintaining the project. I didn't see you > registering for SFD this year, no time? > > Fred > > On 09/11/2011 11:49 PM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh wrote: >> The Trinidad and Tobago Computer Society (TTCS ; http://ttcsweb.org/) >> is pleased to announce the availability of the TTCS OSSWIN DVD for >> download on the Internet in time for Software Freedom Day 2011 on >> September 17, 2011. >> >> TTCS OSSWIN DVD - http://www.ttcsweb.org/osswin-dvd/ >> >> The TTCS OSSWIN DVD is a compilation of nearly 100 programs Free and >> Open Source Software for Microsoft Windows 7/Vista/XP. >> >> You can use your web browser to read detailed information about each >> program in this compilation : what the program does, its key features, >> useful related websites, view a screenshot of the program and find >> links to the program's website and to download/install the program >> from the TTCS OSSWIN DVD. >> >> The web-based interface allows you to quickly browse the variety of >> software organised into the following categories: >> >> * Desktop Applications >> * Educational >> * Games >> * Graphics >> * Internet >> * Server >> * Sound and Video >> * Utilities >> >> Visit http://www.ttcsweb.org/osswin-dvd/ for a complete list of >> programs and how to download and use the 1.5GB ISO via BitTorrent. >> >> The TTCS OSSWIN DVD is the successor to the TTCS OSSWIN CD v2.2 >> (http://www.ttcsweb.org/osswin-cd/) our compilation of Free and Open >> Source Software on a 700MB CD. Launched in 2006, the TTCS OSSWIN CD >> was garnered many favourable reviews from various websites and has >> found use in many countries at many events over the past 5 years. >> The TTCS OSSWIN CD was also updated in August 2011 in time for SFD >> 2011 for those seeking to distribute CDs rather than DVDs. See >> http://www.ttcsweb.org/osswin-cd/ for a list of programs and how to >> download the 700MB CD via direct download. >> >> Also available is the TTCS FSWIN CD, a compilation of Free Software >> for Windows 7/Vista/XP. >> Free Software is software that meets the Free Software Foundation’s >> (FSF) definition at http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html >> >> The impetus for the TTCS FSWIN CD came from a request from someone >> from Free Software Foundation Europe (FSF Europe) >> (http://www.fsfe.org/) Details about the TTCS FSWIN CD, including the >> download mirror can be found at http://www.ttcsweb.org/fswin-cd/ >> >> >> Kind Regards, >> >> Dev Anand Teelucksingh >> Trinidad and Tobago Computer Society at http://ttcsweb.org/ >> "networking local computer users!" >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

Sept. 11, 2011

Re: [SFD-discuss] Free and Open Source software for Windows compilations TTCS OSSWIN DVD and TTCS FSWIN CD available online for SFD 2011

by Frederic Muller - SFI

Hey guys! Nice to see you're still maintaining the project. I didn't see you registering for SFD this year, no time? Fred On 09/11/2011 11:49 PM, Dev Anand Teelucksingh wrote: > The Trinidad and Tobago Computer Society (TTCS ; http://ttcsweb.org/) > is pleased to announce the availability of the TTCS OSSWIN DVD for > download on the Internet in time for Software Freedom Day 2011 on > September 17, 2011. > > TTCS OSSWIN DVD - http://www.ttcsweb.org/osswin-dvd/ > > The TTCS OSSWIN DVD is a compilation of nearly 100 programs Free and > Open Source Software for Microsoft Windows 7/Vista/XP. > > You can use your web browser to read detailed information about each > program in this compilation : what the program does, its key features, > useful related websites, view a screenshot of the program and find > links to the program's website and to download/install the program > from the TTCS OSSWIN DVD. > > The web-based interface allows you to quickly browse the variety of > software organised into the following categories: > > * Desktop Applications > * Educational > * Games > * Graphics > * Internet > * Server > * Sound and Video > * Utilities > > Visit http://www.ttcsweb.org/osswin-dvd/ for a complete list of > programs and how to download and use the 1.5GB ISO via BitTorrent. > > The TTCS OSSWIN DVD is the successor to the TTCS OSSWIN CD v2.2 > (http://www.ttcsweb.org/osswin-cd/) our compilation of Free and Open > Source Software on a 700MB CD. Launched in 2006, the TTCS OSSWIN CD > was garnered many favourable reviews from various websites and has > found use in many countries at many events over the past 5 years. > The TTCS OSSWIN CD was also updated in August 2011 in time for SFD > 2011 for those seeking to distribute CDs rather than DVDs. See > http://www.ttcsweb.org/osswin-cd/ for a list of programs and how to > download the 700MB CD via direct download. > > Also available is the TTCS FSWIN CD, a compilation of Free Software > for Windows 7/Vista/XP. > Free Software is software that meets the Free Software Foundation’s > (FSF) definition at http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html > > The impetus for the TTCS FSWIN CD came from a request from someone > from Free Software Foundation Europe (FSF Europe) > (http://www.fsfe.org/) Details about the TTCS FSWIN CD, including the > download mirror can be found at http://www.ttcsweb.org/fswin-cd/ > > > Kind Regards, > > Dev Anand Teelucksingh > Trinidad and Tobago Computer Society at http://ttcsweb.org/ > "networking local computer users!" > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

Sept. 11, 2011

Free and Open Source software for Windows compilations TTCS OSSWIN DVD and TTCS FSWIN CD available online for SFD 2011

by Dev Anand Teelucksingh

The Trinidad and Tobago Computer Society (TTCS ; http://ttcsweb.org/) is pleased to announce the availability of the TTCS OSSWIN DVD for download on the Internet in time for Software Freedom Day 2011 on September 17, 2011. TTCS OSSWIN DVD - http://www.ttcsweb.org/osswin-dvd/ The TTCS OSSWIN DVD is a compilation of nearly 100 programs Free and Open Source Software for Microsoft Windows 7/Vista/XP. You can use your web browser to read detailed information about each program in this compilation : what the program does, its key features, useful related websites, view a screenshot of the program and find links to the program's website and to download/install the program from the TTCS OSSWIN DVD. The web-based interface allows you to quickly browse the variety of software organised into the following categories: * Desktop Applications * Educational * Games * Graphics * Internet * Server * Sound and Video * Utilities Visit http://www.ttcsweb.org/osswin-dvd/ for a complete list of programs and how to download and use the 1.5GB ISO via BitTorrent. The TTCS OSSWIN DVD is the successor to the TTCS OSSWIN CD v2.2 (http://www.ttcsweb.org/osswin-cd/) our compilation of Free and Open Source Software on a 700MB CD. Launched in 2006, the TTCS OSSWIN CD was garnered many favourable reviews from various websites and has found use in many countries at many events over the past 5 years. The TTCS OSSWIN CD was also updated in August 2011 in time for SFD 2011 for those seeking to distribute CDs rather than DVDs. See http://www.ttcsweb.org/osswin-cd/ for a list of programs and how to download the 700MB CD via direct download. Also available is the TTCS FSWIN CD, a compilation of Free Software for Windows 7/Vista/XP. Free Software is software that meets the Free Software Foundation’s (FSF) definition at http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html The impetus for the TTCS FSWIN CD came from a request from someone from Free Software Foundation Europe (FSF Europe) (http://www.fsfe.org/) Details about the TTCS FSWIN CD, including the download mirror can be found at http://www.ttcsweb.org/fswin-cd/ Kind Regards, Dev Anand Teelucksingh Trinidad and Tobago Computer Society at http://ttcsweb.org/ "networking local computer users!"

Sept. 11, 2011

Re: [SFD-discuss] Using the Shapado Q&A for "post-SFD" suport

by Frederic Muller - SFI

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 09/11/2011 10:10 PM, Fabián Rodríguez wrote: Maybe I misunderstood your message then: I thought it was a recommendation for SFD.org to use. Note also that I interpreted Q&A as FAQ in both your initial message and my reply. Hope that clarifies everything now :) Fred -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk5s1EgACgkQoKznslZ0d26bjgCcDSZrkGF93N5Xd87x+Laxz7iu L+IAnj5suYcxSiRhYeE3WOFUXhNwdOwv =++/Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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