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Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2013 countdown

by Alexandro Colorado

I finalize the dynamic SVG countdown first part, now it shows the days dynamically on the script. http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2658558 The point of having SVG on it, is so that we cut down time invested into this as opposed to duplicate it. Mantaining two versions I think does a duplication of efforts. SVG allow you to manipulate Server side scripting or client side scripting. So you can generate a vector graphic with content from a database like mysql, or datasource like CSV, XML or JSON object and reutilizing the localization of the website, so the PHP function can live in the same embeded SVG. Here is a screenshot of the working copy: http://zerothedragon.com/upload/images/Mozilla_Firefox_179A4418.png On 7/18/13, Pockey Lam <pockey(a)softwarefreedomday.org> wrote: > Dear Alexandro, > > it's indeed a very good idea and great initiative. Actually we can run > more than 1 countdown at the same time while users can pick the theme / > countdown they like. Right now our banner named banner1, with the skill > you have, would you please start a project to work on this ideal > countdown and we can call it banner2? Please create a wiki page to start > this great project, and make a how-to to show users (especially to > non-technical users like myself) how to this countdown work :) > > I am also thinking to make another version of countdown named banner3 > next year to actually not to specify the year, so once countdowns are > translated we can use them again and again for the years to come. > > In fact we are rather busy in preparing to ship goodies, talking to > partners to get attractive prizes for our sfd competition as well as > updating the sfd site (as the version we are using are no longer support > soon). Hence we may not have enough time to focus on the countdown for > now, so we can really use some help and really appreciate your input and > help! > > Regards, > Pockey > > > On 07/18/2013 04:34 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> Here is a sample: >> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2648438 >> >> Of course the JS is not currently active, but you can see the necesary >> input output things. feel free to comment on the lines you have >> questions. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Alexandro Colorado <jza(a)oooes.org >> <mailto:jza@oooes.org>> wrote: >> >> Hi I think Frederic still doesnt understand how SVG+JS works. >> Think of it as Flash+actionscript. In the end SVG is a file with >> script that the browser renders as graphics. >> >> Alternatively we could use Canvas, but I dont recomend it since >> there is very few Canvas authoring tools. >> >> Users only need to link to the SVG by doing >> - Embed tag >> - Object tag >> - Paste it in the HTML >> http://www.w3schools.com/svg/svg_inhtml.asp >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:20 AM, julien forgeat >> <julienforgeat(a)gmail.com <mailto:julienforgeat@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> Good thing with js is that we can probably get the timezone >> from the browser which makes more sense, but there would still >> be quite some work to adapt the font size to each language and >> adapt to non-left to right languages too >> >> Julien >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Frederic Muller - DFF >> <fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org >> <mailto:fred@digitalfreedomfoundation.org>> wrote: >> >> Hi and thanks for joining the explanations. >> >> Unfortunately asking SFD teams promoters to insert >> JavaScript into their >> web pages and select the right time zone seems a bit >> complicated. We >> want something that is the easiest possible to insert and >> live little >> chance for mistakes. I was actually thinking it was the >> same scripting >> idea we tried in the past to combine the SVG and some text >> files to >> generate the PNGs. >> >> Now we could definitely have both options available and >> people chose >> what works best for them (that doesn't mean I can do >> options number 2 >> though). >> >> Fred >> >> On 07/18/2013 02:32 PM, julien forgeat wrote: >> > Hello All >> > >> > I think what Alexandro is suggesting is that we create a >> javascript that >> > people would insert in their webpage along with the >> background of the >> > countdown, in svg format. Then we would have a <text> in >> the svg that >> > would be left blank and whose content would be >> controlled by javascript >> > using getElementByID or something similar. >> > >> > Julien >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Frederic Muller - DFF >> > <fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org >> <mailto:fred@digitalfreedomfoundation.org> >> > <mailto:fred@digitalfreedomfoundation.org >> <mailto:fred@digitalfreedomfoundation.org>>> wrote: >> > >> > Answers below. I remove much of the email but the >> idea I think is more >> > than 1 year old. I remember someone trying with the >> Inkscape scripting >> > like 2 years ago at least and we discussed about the >> issues to finally >> > give up. But I think it was just to automate the >> making of 100+ png >> > images. So apparently I'm still confused about your >> proposal. >> > >> > On 07/18/2013 02:51 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> > > iframe's suck, and I am not sure I understand why >> would we need an >> > > iframe. The whole point of the proposal is to not >> end up with 100 >> > images >> > > but one single SVG and a datasource. >> > >> > Not sure I understood. As I said I will read the >> links you offered, it >> > will just take time. >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > I hope you understand my perspective. I'm just >> a volunteer >> > with limited >> > > knowledge and a lot of things to do. >> > > >> > > >> > > From my understanding you know far better >> Javascript than I do (I >> > > assume you did the OpenLayer map), and XML is >> well... just like >> > HTML in >> > > the end. >> > >> > That wasn't me. The OSM layer was added by an >> Italian contributor (we >> > asked for someone to help). No one at the SFI board >> at the time was able >> > to do the job...which is why we were using Google >> maps initially. >> > >> > As you see we just put the pieces together (while >> doing was we were able >> > to do). >> > >> > Thanks. >> > >> > Fred >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SFD-discuss mailing list >> > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org> >> <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org >> <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org>> >> > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SFD-discuss mailing list >> > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org> >> > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org> >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org> >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Alexandro Colorado >> Apache OpenOffice Contributor >> http://www.openoffice.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Alexandro Colorado >> Apache OpenOffice Contributor >> http://www.openoffice.org >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org

July 20, 2013

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2013 countdown

by Pockey Lam

Dear Alexandro, it's indeed a very good idea and great initiative. Actually we can run more than 1 countdown at the same time while users can pick the theme / countdown they like. Right now our banner named banner1, with the skill you have, would you please start a project to work on this ideal countdown and we can call it banner2? Please create a wiki page to start this great project, and make a how-to to show users (especially to non-technical users like myself) how to this countdown work :) I am also thinking to make another version of countdown named banner3 next year to actually not to specify the year, so once countdowns are translated we can use them again and again for the years to come. In fact we are rather busy in preparing to ship goodies, talking to partners to get attractive prizes for our sfd competition as well as updating the sfd site (as the version we are using are no longer support soon). Hence we may not have enough time to focus on the countdown for now, so we can really use some help and really appreciate your input and help! Regards, Pockey On 07/18/2013 04:34 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > Here is a sample: > http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2648438 > > Of course the JS is not currently active, but you can see the necesary > input output things. feel free to comment on the lines you have questions. > > > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Alexandro Colorado <jza(a)oooes.org > <mailto:jza@oooes.org>> wrote: > > Hi I think Frederic still doesnt understand how SVG+JS works. > Think of it as Flash+actionscript. In the end SVG is a file with > script that the browser renders as graphics. > > Alternatively we could use Canvas, but I dont recomend it since > there is very few Canvas authoring tools. > > Users only need to link to the SVG by doing > - Embed tag > - Object tag > - Paste it in the HTML > http://www.w3schools.com/svg/svg_inhtml.asp > > > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:20 AM, julien forgeat > <julienforgeat(a)gmail.com <mailto:julienforgeat@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Good thing with js is that we can probably get the timezone > from the browser which makes more sense, but there would still > be quite some work to adapt the font size to each language and > adapt to non-left to right languages too > > Julien > > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Frederic Muller - DFF > <fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org > <mailto:fred@digitalfreedomfoundation.org>> wrote: > > Hi and thanks for joining the explanations. > > Unfortunately asking SFD teams promoters to insert > JavaScript into their > web pages and select the right time zone seems a bit > complicated. We > want something that is the easiest possible to insert and > live little > chance for mistakes. I was actually thinking it was the > same scripting > idea we tried in the past to combine the SVG and some text > files to > generate the PNGs. > > Now we could definitely have both options available and > people chose > what works best for them (that doesn't mean I can do > options number 2 > though). > > Fred > > On 07/18/2013 02:32 PM, julien forgeat wrote: > > Hello All > > > > I think what Alexandro is suggesting is that we create a > javascript that > > people would insert in their webpage along with the > background of the > > countdown, in svg format. Then we would have a <text> in > the svg that > > would be left blank and whose content would be > controlled by javascript > > using getElementByID or something similar. > > > > Julien > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Frederic Muller - DFF > > <fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org > <mailto:fred@digitalfreedomfoundation.org> > > <mailto:fred@digitalfreedomfoundation.org > <mailto:fred@digitalfreedomfoundation.org>>> wrote: > > > > Answers below. I remove much of the email but the > idea I think is more > > than 1 year old. I remember someone trying with the > Inkscape scripting > > like 2 years ago at least and we discussed about the > issues to finally > > give up. But I think it was just to automate the > making of 100+ png > > images. So apparently I'm still confused about your > proposal. > > > > On 07/18/2013 02:51 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > > iframe's suck, and I am not sure I understand why > would we need an > > > iframe. The whole point of the proposal is to not > end up with 100 > > images > > > but one single SVG and a datasource. > > > > Not sure I understood. As I said I will read the > links you offered, it > > will just take time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you understand my perspective. I'm just > a volunteer > > with limited > > > knowledge and a lot of things to do. > > > > > > > > > From my understanding you know far better > Javascript than I do (I > > > assume you did the OpenLayer map), and XML is > well... just like > > HTML in > > > the end. > > > > That wasn't me. The OSM layer was added by an > Italian contributor (we > > asked for someone to help). No one at the SFI board > at the time was able > > to do the job...which is why we were using Google > maps initially. > > > > As you see we just put the pieces together (while > doing was we were able > > to do). > > > > Thanks. > > > > Fred > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SFD-discuss mailing list > > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org> > <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org > <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org>> > > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SFD-discuss mailing list > > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org> > > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org> > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org> > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > > > -- > Alexandro Colorado > Apache OpenOffice Contributor > http://www.openoffice.org > > > > > > > > > -- > Alexandro Colorado > Apache OpenOffice Contributor > http://www.openoffice.org > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss

July 18, 2013

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2013 countdown

by Alexandro Colorado

Here is an update taken from this code http://www.lsbu.ac.uk/javascript/cdownBR.html Here is the updated code. http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2648490 On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 3:34 AM, Alexandro Colorado <jza(a)oooes.org> wrote: > Here is a sample: > http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2648438 > > Of course the JS is not currently active, but you can see the necesary > input output things. feel free to comment on the lines you have questions. > > > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Alexandro Colorado <jza(a)oooes.org> wrote: > >> Hi I think Frederic still doesnt understand how SVG+JS works. Think of it >> as Flash+actionscript. In the end SVG is a file with script that the >> browser renders as graphics. >> >> Alternatively we could use Canvas, but I dont recomend it since there is >> very few Canvas authoring tools. >> >> Users only need to link to the SVG by doing >> - Embed tag >> - Object tag >> - Paste it in the HTML >> http://www.w3schools.com/svg/svg_inhtml.asp >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:20 AM, julien forgeat <julienforgeat(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Good thing with js is that we can probably get the timezone from the >>> browser which makes more sense, but there would still be quite some work to >>> adapt the font size to each language and adapt to non-left to right >>> languages too >>> >>> Julien >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Frederic Muller - DFF < >>> fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi and thanks for joining the explanations. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately asking SFD teams promoters to insert JavaScript into their >>>> web pages and select the right time zone seems a bit complicated. We >>>> want something that is the easiest possible to insert and live little >>>> chance for mistakes. I was actually thinking it was the same scripting >>>> idea we tried in the past to combine the SVG and some text files to >>>> generate the PNGs. >>>> >>>> Now we could definitely have both options available and people chose >>>> what works best for them (that doesn't mean I can do options number 2 >>>> though). >>>> >>>> Fred >>>> >>>> On 07/18/2013 02:32 PM, julien forgeat wrote: >>>> > Hello All >>>> > >>>> > I think what Alexandro is suggesting is that we create a javascript >>>> that >>>> > people would insert in their webpage along with the background of the >>>> > countdown, in svg format. Then we would have a <text> in the svg that >>>> > would be left blank and whose content would be controlled by >>>> javascript >>>> > using getElementByID or something similar. >>>> > >>>> > Julien >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Frederic Muller - DFF >>>> > <fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org >>>> > <mailto:fred@digitalfreedomfoundation.org>> wrote: >>>> > >>>> > Answers below. I remove much of the email but the idea I think is >>>> more >>>> > than 1 year old. I remember someone trying with the Inkscape >>>> scripting >>>> > like 2 years ago at least and we discussed about the issues to >>>> finally >>>> > give up. But I think it was just to automate the making of 100+ >>>> png >>>> > images. So apparently I'm still confused about your proposal. >>>> > >>>> > On 07/18/2013 02:51 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >>>> > > iframe's suck, and I am not sure I understand why would we need >>>> an >>>> > > iframe. The whole point of the proposal is to not end up with >>>> 100 >>>> > images >>>> > > but one single SVG and a datasource. >>>> > >>>> > Not sure I understood. As I said I will read the links you >>>> offered, it >>>> > will just take time. >>>> > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > I hope you understand my perspective. I'm just a volunteer >>>> > with limited >>>> > > knowledge and a lot of things to do. >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > From my understanding you know far better Javascript than I do >>>> (I >>>> > > assume you did the OpenLayer map), and XML is well... just like >>>> > HTML in >>>> > > the end. >>>> > >>>> > That wasn't me. The OSM layer was added by an Italian contributor >>>> (we >>>> > asked for someone to help). No one at the SFI board at the time >>>> was able >>>> > to do the job...which is why we were using Google maps initially. >>>> > >>>> > As you see we just put the pieces together (while doing was we >>>> were able >>>> > to do). >>>> > >>>> > Thanks. >>>> > >>>> > Fred >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > SFD-discuss mailing list >>>> > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org> >>>> > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > SFD-discuss mailing list >>>> > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>>> > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Alexandro Colorado >> Apache OpenOffice Contributor >> http://www.openoffice.org >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > -- > Alexandro Colorado > Apache OpenOffice Contributor > http://www.openoffice.org > > > > > > -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org

July 18, 2013

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2013 countdown

by Alexandro Colorado

Here is a sample: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/2648438 Of course the JS is not currently active, but you can see the necesary input output things. feel free to comment on the lines you have questions. On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:47 AM, Alexandro Colorado <jza(a)oooes.org> wrote: > Hi I think Frederic still doesnt understand how SVG+JS works. Think of it > as Flash+actionscript. In the end SVG is a file with script that the > browser renders as graphics. > > Alternatively we could use Canvas, but I dont recomend it since there is > very few Canvas authoring tools. > > Users only need to link to the SVG by doing > - Embed tag > - Object tag > - Paste it in the HTML > http://www.w3schools.com/svg/svg_inhtml.asp > > > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:20 AM, julien forgeat <julienforgeat(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> Good thing with js is that we can probably get the timezone from the >> browser which makes more sense, but there would still be quite some work to >> adapt the font size to each language and adapt to non-left to right >> languages too >> >> Julien >> >> >> On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Frederic Muller - DFF < >> fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org> wrote: >> >>> Hi and thanks for joining the explanations. >>> >>> Unfortunately asking SFD teams promoters to insert JavaScript into their >>> web pages and select the right time zone seems a bit complicated. We >>> want something that is the easiest possible to insert and live little >>> chance for mistakes. I was actually thinking it was the same scripting >>> idea we tried in the past to combine the SVG and some text files to >>> generate the PNGs. >>> >>> Now we could definitely have both options available and people chose >>> what works best for them (that doesn't mean I can do options number 2 >>> though). >>> >>> Fred >>> >>> On 07/18/2013 02:32 PM, julien forgeat wrote: >>> > Hello All >>> > >>> > I think what Alexandro is suggesting is that we create a javascript >>> that >>> > people would insert in their webpage along with the background of the >>> > countdown, in svg format. Then we would have a <text> in the svg that >>> > would be left blank and whose content would be controlled by javascript >>> > using getElementByID or something similar. >>> > >>> > Julien >>> > >>> > >>> > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Frederic Muller - DFF >>> > <fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org >>> > <mailto:fred@digitalfreedomfoundation.org>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Answers below. I remove much of the email but the idea I think is >>> more >>> > than 1 year old. I remember someone trying with the Inkscape >>> scripting >>> > like 2 years ago at least and we discussed about the issues to >>> finally >>> > give up. But I think it was just to automate the making of 100+ png >>> > images. So apparently I'm still confused about your proposal. >>> > >>> > On 07/18/2013 02:51 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >>> > > iframe's suck, and I am not sure I understand why would we need >>> an >>> > > iframe. The whole point of the proposal is to not end up with 100 >>> > images >>> > > but one single SVG and a datasource. >>> > >>> > Not sure I understood. As I said I will read the links you >>> offered, it >>> > will just take time. >>> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > I hope you understand my perspective. I'm just a volunteer >>> > with limited >>> > > knowledge and a lot of things to do. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > From my understanding you know far better Javascript than I do (I >>> > > assume you did the OpenLayer map), and XML is well... just like >>> > HTML in >>> > > the end. >>> > >>> > That wasn't me. The OSM layer was added by an Italian contributor >>> (we >>> > asked for someone to help). No one at the SFI board at the time >>> was able >>> > to do the job...which is why we were using Google maps initially. >>> > >>> > As you see we just put the pieces together (while doing was we >>> were able >>> > to do). >>> > >>> > Thanks. >>> > >>> > Fred >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > SFD-discuss mailing list >>> > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org> >>> > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > SFD-discuss mailing list >>> > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>> > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>> > >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> >> > > > -- > Alexandro Colorado > Apache OpenOffice Contributor > http://www.openoffice.org > > > > > > -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org

July 18, 2013

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2013 countdown

by Alexandro Colorado

Hi I think Frederic still doesnt understand how SVG+JS works. Think of it as Flash+actionscript. In the end SVG is a file with script that the browser renders as graphics. Alternatively we could use Canvas, but I dont recomend it since there is very few Canvas authoring tools. Users only need to link to the SVG by doing - Embed tag - Object tag - Paste it in the HTML http://www.w3schools.com/svg/svg_inhtml.asp On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:20 AM, julien forgeat <julienforgeat(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Good thing with js is that we can probably get the timezone from the > browser which makes more sense, but there would still be quite some work to > adapt the font size to each language and adapt to non-left to right > languages too > > Julien > > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Frederic Muller - DFF < > fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org> wrote: > >> Hi and thanks for joining the explanations. >> >> Unfortunately asking SFD teams promoters to insert JavaScript into their >> web pages and select the right time zone seems a bit complicated. We >> want something that is the easiest possible to insert and live little >> chance for mistakes. I was actually thinking it was the same scripting >> idea we tried in the past to combine the SVG and some text files to >> generate the PNGs. >> >> Now we could definitely have both options available and people chose >> what works best for them (that doesn't mean I can do options number 2 >> though). >> >> Fred >> >> On 07/18/2013 02:32 PM, julien forgeat wrote: >> > Hello All >> > >> > I think what Alexandro is suggesting is that we create a javascript that >> > people would insert in their webpage along with the background of the >> > countdown, in svg format. Then we would have a <text> in the svg that >> > would be left blank and whose content would be controlled by javascript >> > using getElementByID or something similar. >> > >> > Julien >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Frederic Muller - DFF >> > <fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org >> > <mailto:fred@digitalfreedomfoundation.org>> wrote: >> > >> > Answers below. I remove much of the email but the idea I think is >> more >> > than 1 year old. I remember someone trying with the Inkscape >> scripting >> > like 2 years ago at least and we discussed about the issues to >> finally >> > give up. But I think it was just to automate the making of 100+ png >> > images. So apparently I'm still confused about your proposal. >> > >> > On 07/18/2013 02:51 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: >> > > iframe's suck, and I am not sure I understand why would we need an >> > > iframe. The whole point of the proposal is to not end up with 100 >> > images >> > > but one single SVG and a datasource. >> > >> > Not sure I understood. As I said I will read the links you offered, >> it >> > will just take time. >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > I hope you understand my perspective. I'm just a volunteer >> > with limited >> > > knowledge and a lot of things to do. >> > > >> > > >> > > From my understanding you know far better Javascript than I do (I >> > > assume you did the OpenLayer map), and XML is well... just like >> > HTML in >> > > the end. >> > >> > That wasn't me. The OSM layer was added by an Italian contributor >> (we >> > asked for someone to help). No one at the SFI board at the time was >> able >> > to do the job...which is why we were using Google maps initially. >> > >> > As you see we just put the pieces together (while doing was we were >> able >> > to do). >> > >> > Thanks. >> > >> > Fred >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SFD-discuss mailing list >> > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org> >> > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SFD-discuss mailing list >> > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org

July 18, 2013

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2013 countdown

by julien forgeat

Good thing with js is that we can probably get the timezone from the browser which makes more sense, but there would still be quite some work to adapt the font size to each language and adapt to non-left to right languages too Julien On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Frederic Muller - DFF < fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org> wrote: > Hi and thanks for joining the explanations. > > Unfortunately asking SFD teams promoters to insert JavaScript into their > web pages and select the right time zone seems a bit complicated. We > want something that is the easiest possible to insert and live little > chance for mistakes. I was actually thinking it was the same scripting > idea we tried in the past to combine the SVG and some text files to > generate the PNGs. > > Now we could definitely have both options available and people chose > what works best for them (that doesn't mean I can do options number 2 > though). > > Fred > > On 07/18/2013 02:32 PM, julien forgeat wrote: > > Hello All > > > > I think what Alexandro is suggesting is that we create a javascript that > > people would insert in their webpage along with the background of the > > countdown, in svg format. Then we would have a <text> in the svg that > > would be left blank and whose content would be controlled by javascript > > using getElementByID or something similar. > > > > Julien > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Frederic Muller - DFF > > <fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org > > <mailto:fred@digitalfreedomfoundation.org>> wrote: > > > > Answers below. I remove much of the email but the idea I think is > more > > than 1 year old. I remember someone trying with the Inkscape > scripting > > like 2 years ago at least and we discussed about the issues to > finally > > give up. But I think it was just to automate the making of 100+ png > > images. So apparently I'm still confused about your proposal. > > > > On 07/18/2013 02:51 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > > iframe's suck, and I am not sure I understand why would we need an > > > iframe. The whole point of the proposal is to not end up with 100 > > images > > > but one single SVG and a datasource. > > > > Not sure I understood. As I said I will read the links you offered, > it > > will just take time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you understand my perspective. I'm just a volunteer > > with limited > > > knowledge and a lot of things to do. > > > > > > > > > From my understanding you know far better Javascript than I do (I > > > assume you did the OpenLayer map), and XML is well... just like > > HTML in > > > the end. > > > > That wasn't me. The OSM layer was added by an Italian contributor (we > > asked for someone to help). No one at the SFI board at the time was > able > > to do the job...which is why we were using Google maps initially. > > > > As you see we just put the pieces together (while doing was we were > able > > to do). > > > > Thanks. > > > > Fred > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SFD-discuss mailing list > > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org> > > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SFD-discuss mailing list > > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

July 18, 2013

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2013 countdown

by Frederic Muller - DFF

Hi and thanks for joining the explanations. Unfortunately asking SFD teams promoters to insert JavaScript into their web pages and select the right time zone seems a bit complicated. We want something that is the easiest possible to insert and live little chance for mistakes. I was actually thinking it was the same scripting idea we tried in the past to combine the SVG and some text files to generate the PNGs. Now we could definitely have both options available and people chose what works best for them (that doesn't mean I can do options number 2 though). Fred On 07/18/2013 02:32 PM, julien forgeat wrote: > Hello All > > I think what Alexandro is suggesting is that we create a javascript that > people would insert in their webpage along with the background of the > countdown, in svg format. Then we would have a <text> in the svg that > would be left blank and whose content would be controlled by javascript > using getElementByID or something similar. > > Julien > > > On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Frederic Muller - DFF > <fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org > <mailto:fred@digitalfreedomfoundation.org>> wrote: > > Answers below. I remove much of the email but the idea I think is more > than 1 year old. I remember someone trying with the Inkscape scripting > like 2 years ago at least and we discussed about the issues to finally > give up. But I think it was just to automate the making of 100+ png > images. So apparently I'm still confused about your proposal. > > On 07/18/2013 02:51 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > iframe's suck, and I am not sure I understand why would we need an > > iframe. The whole point of the proposal is to not end up with 100 > images > > but one single SVG and a datasource. > > Not sure I understood. As I said I will read the links you offered, it > will just take time. > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you understand my perspective. I'm just a volunteer > with limited > > knowledge and a lot of things to do. > > > > > > From my understanding you know far better Javascript than I do (I > > assume you did the OpenLayer map), and XML is well... just like > HTML in > > the end. > > That wasn't me. The OSM layer was added by an Italian contributor (we > asked for someone to help). No one at the SFI board at the time was able > to do the job...which is why we were using Google maps initially. > > As you see we just put the pieces together (while doing was we were able > to do). > > Thanks. > > Fred > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org> > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

July 18, 2013

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2013 countdown

by julien forgeat

Hello All I think what Alexandro is suggesting is that we create a javascript that people would insert in their webpage along with the background of the countdown, in svg format. Then we would have a <text> in the svg that would be left blank and whose content would be controlled by javascript using getElementByID or something similar. Julien On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Frederic Muller - DFF < fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org> wrote: > Answers below. I remove much of the email but the idea I think is more > than 1 year old. I remember someone trying with the Inkscape scripting > like 2 years ago at least and we discussed about the issues to finally > give up. But I think it was just to automate the making of 100+ png > images. So apparently I'm still confused about your proposal. > > On 07/18/2013 02:51 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > iframe's suck, and I am not sure I understand why would we need an > > iframe. The whole point of the proposal is to not end up with 100 images > > but one single SVG and a datasource. > > Not sure I understood. As I said I will read the links you offered, it > will just take time. > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you understand my perspective. I'm just a volunteer with > limited > > knowledge and a lot of things to do. > > > > > > From my understanding you know far better Javascript than I do (I > > assume you did the OpenLayer map), and XML is well... just like HTML in > > the end. > > That wasn't me. The OSM layer was added by an Italian contributor (we > asked for someone to help). No one at the SFI board at the time was able > to do the job...which is why we were using Google maps initially. > > As you see we just put the pieces together (while doing was we were able > to do). > > Thanks. > > Fred > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

July 18, 2013

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2013 countdown

by Frederic Muller - DFF

Answers below. I remove much of the email but the idea I think is more than 1 year old. I remember someone trying with the Inkscape scripting like 2 years ago at least and we discussed about the issues to finally give up. But I think it was just to automate the making of 100+ png images. So apparently I'm still confused about your proposal. On 07/18/2013 02:51 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > iframe's suck, and I am not sure I understand why would we need an > iframe. The whole point of the proposal is to not end up with 100 images > but one single SVG and a datasource. Not sure I understood. As I said I will read the links you offered, it will just take time. > > > > > I hope you understand my perspective. I'm just a volunteer with limited > knowledge and a lot of things to do. > > > From my understanding you know far better Javascript than I do (I > assume you did the OpenLayer map), and XML is well... just like HTML in > the end. That wasn't me. The OSM layer was added by an Italian contributor (we asked for someone to help). No one at the SFI board at the time was able to do the job...which is why we were using Google maps initially. As you see we just put the pieces together (while doing was we were able to do). Thanks. Fred

July 18, 2013

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2013 countdown

by Alexandro Colorado

On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 7:23 AM, Frederic Muller - DFF < fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org> wrote: > This looks like a lot of research on my end for the time being and I > don't specially have any issue with the current solution. While I'm not > saying we won't do it giving me links to read and "advice" will > definitely greatly reduce the chances of it happening. > > Note that we're looking for something easy to implement on the user's > side. An image seems quite easy to do and has been working so far for us > and for other organizations. In fact we were able to launch the > countdown with 10 languages this year (as we didn't redo the graphics... > that's a minus) and we're already at 12. > Well this idea is already a year old. And the ammount of effort to get designers for each language to do the localization is far more complex than having it on a set of variables. Is the same as trying to develop a website statically and have people write the HTML entirely per each language. At the end it would be around 20 lines of code, work. > > I have been discussing with other board members and one suggested to use > an iframe. Maybe that would match your suggestion? > iframe's suck, and I am not sure I understand why would we need an iframe. The whole point of the proposal is to not end up with 100 images but one single SVG and a datasource. > > I hope you understand my perspective. I'm just a volunteer with limited > knowledge and a lot of things to do. > From my understanding you know far better Javascript than I do (I assume you did the OpenLayer map), and XML is well... just like HTML in the end. > > Of course if anyone is willing to spend time and showing us something > that works and that we can easily deploy please go ahead. I'll do > everything I can to support it within my abilities. > I just did. > > Thanks. > > Fred > > On 07/17/2013 04:14 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > Is really very simple, Javascript has the capabilities of locating the > > OS day and number so you can just have a simple script giving the > > ammount of days left. > > > > H > > ere is a simple example on working the Javascript code with inkscape: > > > http://eclipsesource.com/blogs/2012/07/03/wireframing-inkscape-javascript/ > > If you read the last section, you will see where it triggers actions by > > behaviours (|element.style.fill = 'red'|.) for te SVG style, and > > (|window.location='contact.svg'|) for the action. > > > > And a snippet of code for the 'days left': > > http://www.digioz.com/downloads/javascript/daysleft.html > > > > Remember embeded SVG work the same way HTML could work so you can do > > this serverside as well using PHP, Python or whatever get's interpret or > > spit out. > > > > If you are worried of browser incompatibilities there is a library that > > takes care of that: > > http://code.google.com/p/svgweb/ > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:41 AM, Frederic Muller - DFF > > <fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org > > <mailto:fred@digitalfreedomfoundation.org>> wrote: > > > > Thanks for your help but this looks way above my skills. Could you be > > kind enough to detail how we can use the Inkscape graphics without > text > > and generate those 102 images with the script? > > > > Note as well that different languages have different positioning of > > things, but I guess we can have 2/3 master templates and then just > ask > > for translations. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Fred > > > > On 07/16/2013 05:06 PM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > > This is a small snippet of code with SVG and strings. Of course > > doing a > > > php echo (or python print) would be enough to put a dynamic date > > string > > > instead of a static text. Go to the <text> node. > > > > > > <!DOCTYPE html> > > > <html> > > > <body> > > > > > > <svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" version="1.1"> > > > <defs> > > > <filter id="test" filterUnits="objectBoundingBox" x="0" y="0" > > > width="1.5" height="4"> > > > <feOffset result="Off1" dx="15" dy="20" /> > > > <feFlood style="flood-color:#ff0000;flood-opacity:0.8" /> > > > <feComposite in2="Off1" operator="in" result="C1" /> > > > <feOffset in="SourceGraphic" result="Off2" dx="30" dy="40" /> > > > <feFlood style="flood-color:#ff0000;flood-opacity:0.4" /> > > > <feComposite in2="Off2" operator="in" result="C2" /> > > > <feMerge> > > > <feMergeNode in="C2" /> > > > <feMergeNode in="C1" /> > > > <feMergeNode in="SourceGraphic" /> > > > </feMerge> > > > </filter> > > > </defs> > > > <text x="30" y="100" style="font:16px verdana > > > bold;fill:blue;filter:url(#test)">Software Freedom Day</text> > > > </svg> > > > > > > </body> > > > </html> > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 16, 2013 at 12:12 AM, Pockey Lam > > > <pockey(a)softwarefreedomday.org > > <mailto:pockey@softwarefreedomday.org> > > <mailto:pockey@softwarefreedomday.org > > <mailto:pockey@softwarefreedomday.org>>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On 07/16/2013 05:43 AM, Alexandro Colorado wrote: > > >> last year I recommend using a simple script in Javascript and > > SVG. > > >> This will allow to make one simple function and deliver on > every > > >> language by just having an array of dialogs. > > > Hi Alexandro, > > > > > > Thanks for your email! I remember we did look into the > > solution last > > > year however we had some problems to write the javascript it > > may due > > > to lack of technical knowledge. If you can help us to write > this > > > simple script that would be great :) > > > > > > Thanks! > > > Pockey > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 6:45 AM, Frederic Muller - DFF > > >> <fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org > > <mailto:fred@digitalfreedomfoundation.org> > > >> <mailto:fred@digitalfreedomfoundation.org > > <mailto:fred@digitalfreedomfoundation.org>>> wrote: > > >> > > >> Excellent! Thanks a lot, that was fast! > > >> > > >> Fred > > >> > > >> On 07/15/2013 06:36 PM, Konfrare Albert wrote: > > >> > Hi Fred! > > >> > > > >> > I have added the four files for the Catalan countdown > for > > >> this year. The > > >> > Catalan countdown banner it's working properly now! > > >> > > > >> > Thanks! > > >> > > > >> > ALBERT > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > 2013/7/15 Frederic Muller - DFF > > >> <fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org > > <mailto:fred@digitalfreedomfoundation.org> > > >> <mailto:fred@digitalfreedomfoundation.org > > <mailto:fred@digitalfreedomfoundation.org>> > > >> > <mailto:fred@digitalfreedomfoundation.org > > <mailto:fred@digitalfreedomfoundation.org> > > >> <mailto:fred@digitalfreedomfoundation.org > > <mailto:fred@digitalfreedomfoundation.org>>>> > > >> > > > >> > Actually the Catalan countdown also has a date on > > 01.png > > >> and 02.png. > > >> > Those 2 files also need to be redone. > > >> > > > >> > Thanks. > > >> > > > >> > Fred > > >> > > > >> > On 15/07/13 16:42, Frederic Muller - DFF wrote: > > >> > > Hi! > > >> > > > > >> > > The countdown is ready. In fact there was a > > little bug > > >> in the website > > >> > > javascript which added a month to the displayed > > >> countdown which is why > > >> > > we haven't launched it earlier. > > >> > > > > >> > > English is fully ready and all the following > > languages > > >> can be used > > >> > right > > >> > > now. However someone will need to redo 00.png and > > >> 00here.png as > > >> > the SFD > > >> > > date is written on the image file: > > >> > > Catalan > > >> > > French > > >> > > German > > >> > > Portuguese > > >> > > Estonian > > >> > > Chinese Simplified > > >> > > Persian > > >> > > Arabic > > >> > > Greek > > >> > > > > >> > > For Persian on top of doing those 2 image files > > >> someone who speaks the > > >> > > language also need to ensure the alt text on the > wiki > > >> page is > > >> > correct. I > > >> > > couldn't find the event date, so maybe it's not > > >> written at all, or > > >> > maybe > > >> > > it's simply not readable in English. > > >> > > > > >> > > And then for the next following languages on top > of > > >> the 2 image files > > >> > > which need to be redone, days files from today > (68) > > >> onward are simply > > >> > > missing. If you want a countdown now you'll need > to > > >> generate them > > >> > so we > > >> > > can activate the countdown. > > >> > > > > >> > > Else usage is the same as the previous year and > > >> describe here: > > >> > > http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/CountDown > > >> > > > > >> > > Any question please let us know. > > >> > > > > >> > > Thanks and enjoy! > > >> > > > > >> > > Fred > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > SFD-discuss mailing list > > >> > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > > <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org> <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org > > <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org>> > > >> <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org > > <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org> <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org > > <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org>>> > > >> > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > *KONFRARE ALBERT* > > >> > La Konfraria de la Vila del Pingüí > > >> > de La Palma de Cervelló > > >> > www.konfraria.org <http://www.konfraria.org> > > <http://www.konfraria.org> > > >> <http://www.konfraria.org> • @La_Konfraria > > >> > <http://twitter.com/La_Konfraria> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > SFD-discuss mailing list > > >> > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org> > > <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org>> > > >> > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> SFD-discuss mailing list > > >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org> > > <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org>> > > >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Alexandro Colorado > > >> Apache OpenOffice Contributor > > >> http://www.openoffice.org > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> SFD-discuss mailing list > > >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org> > > <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org>> > > >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Alexandro Colorado > > > Apache OpenOffice Contributor > > > http://www.openoffice.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > SFD-discuss mailing list > > > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org> > > > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SFD-discuss mailing list > > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org> > > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Alexandro Colorado > > Apache OpenOffice Contributor > > http://www.openoffice.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SFD-discuss mailing list > > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > -- Alexandro Colorado Apache OpenOffice Contributor http://www.openoffice.org

July 17, 2013