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Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2021 registration soft opening

by Frederic Muller - DFF

On 6/28/21 12:24 AM, LM wrote: > On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 12:49 PM <sfd-discuss-request(a)sf-day.org> wrote: >> We've opened registration and it seems to work. We'd be happy to get >> feedback if you register and have issues. > > Tried to register. Created a wiki page for this year. The > registration page keeps saying "The SFD Wiki page you supplied doesn't > seem to exist. Please go back and create your page or modify the value > you entered." Wondering if the space in the name of the city is an > issue. Entered %20 to represent the space. Anyway, am unable to > register at this time. > > Hi! Sorry it seems my spam filter blocked a few valid emails over the past few days. I'm getting them all now. I don't see any change in the wiki over the past few days except for those of L Michaels, Mostafa and DFF's ones. So it seems your wiki page did not get created? You can send the link to me off the list and I'll check what is happening, else I'm just like the registration script and cannot find your page either. Thank you and sorry for the delay. Fred

June 30, 2021

Re: [SFD-discuss] Countdown available in English and French for now.

by Frederic Muller - DFF

Hi! Your message was on 'stoppped' by the mailing list software. Surely I will. Actually I think I may have already enable Portuguese as I knew someone would do those 3 images. I'll update everything else. Thank you. Fred On 6/28/21 3:16 AM, Marcos Marado wrote: > Hi there, > > My SVG editing skills aren't good, I've updated the SVG for the > Portuguese-Portugal language, but it seems that the resulting PNGs > will be smaller than the needed 160x90 size. Maybe you can generate > the 3 PNG files from it, for me? > I don't seem to have permissions to upload files on the wiki page, so > I'm attaching the SVG here. > > Best regards, > > On Sun, Jun 27, 2021 at 2:50 PM Frederic Muller - DFF > <fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org> wrote: >> >> Dear all, >> >> We just enabled English and French (had to do 70 pngs...). We'll do the >> language we speak and for existing ones, it's only 3 images to redo. >> Those languages are: >> - Portuguese-Brasil >> - Portuguese-Portugal >> - Spanish >> - Catalan >> - Serbian Cyrillic >> - Serbian Latin >> - Estonian >> - Arabic >> - Greek >> >> Then some languages have been done but not up to 83 days before SFD. >> Those are: >> - German >> - Ukrainian >> - Russian >> - Persian >> >> And then.. the others need to be done from scratch if needed. >> >> Thank you for your help in the matter. >> >> Fred >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss

June 30, 2021

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2021 Preparation

by Mostafa Ahangarha

> I just joined Mastodon. I posted about Software Freedom Day and > registration being open for 2021 using #SoftwareFreedomDay and #SFD as > hashtags. Not much traffic on Mastodon for Software Freedom Day. > Would be nice to get some talk going over there. Maybe others would > notice. Wondering if we should add some more common search hashtags > like FLOSS or software as well so people on Mastodon not searching for > Software Freedom Day may find it too. Please share your account and link to the post you have made. Mastodon functions different from other popular and centeralised social platform. If you have account on some instance which is new or doesn't have much interaction with other instances, it is possible that others cannot find you and your post immediately. So let us know the address to the post and to your account so we (at least I) can follow. I have already shared about registration here: https://fosstodon.org/@fossasap/106493941033398470 I have also shared in Persian. We can work on it. We still have plenty of time. -- Regards, Mostafa Ahangarha

June 29, 2021

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2021 Preparation

by LM

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 12:22 AM <sfd-discuss-request(a)sf-day.org> wrote: > Mastodon is a decentralized federated social network made by free software (licensed under AGPL) and many free software organizations like FSF and GNOME are active there. It would be wonderful if we make an account there. Postings to/from Twitter and Mastodon can be automatic using some bots/services. I just joined Mastodon. I posted about Software Freedom Day and registration being open for 2021 using #SoftwareFreedomDay and #SFD as hashtags. Not much traffic on Mastodon for Software Freedom Day. Would be nice to get some talk going over there. Maybe others would notice. Wondering if we should add some more common search hashtags like FLOSS or software as well so people on Mastodon not searching for Software Freedom Day may find it too. The link on https://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/SocialNetworks for the Federated StatusNet group appears to be down. > So to summarize: pick the date that works for your community, and make > sure it's very clear on your wiki page and communication channels. I think that's a great way to go. Better to do something than nothing at all. Had to move the date last year. Still had a nice, enjoyable event online even if it was small. Also found out last year that it's very important to indicate what time zone you're in. People tend to assume you're in the same time zone as them which may not be true if an event is virtual. Sincerely, Laura http://lmemsm.dreamwidth.org

June 29, 2021

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2021 Preparation

by Ali Reza Hayati

On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 10:41:56 +0700 Frederic Muller - DFF <fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org> wrote: > > Right. This has been a discussion in the past and we concluded it was a > place to look for people who didn't know about Software Freedom, so > while we really don't post much, we do inform about registration, and > major messages we think matter. Fair enough. > So no, it's not an excuse. As I said SN come and go, and yes we do also > communicate on non-free ones because that's where newcomers are. I am > not the one doing it, I don't like SN and do not have any account (nor > do I have anything to say every 5 minutes). I remember a few too but everything come and go, that shouldn't be a reason to avoid things. > SFD is not about fixing a bug, it's about promoting and explaining > (often to people not so familiar with) Free Software. I just made an example, that was what I understood. I know what SFD is, I've participated in some, that was just an example for how people may be interested in the ways of participating, not that we should do that explicitly. -- Ali Reza Hayati (https://alirezahayati.com) Free culture activist and privacy advocate

June 29, 2021

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2021 Preparation

by Frederic Muller - DFF

On 6/29/21 12:25 PM, Mostafa Ahangarha wrote: > There is also another point I want to share here and avoid sending it as > another email: one slide is talking about 2017. Please update that. If > you want I can share photo of SFD in Kabul university last year. Totally agree with you, so great! We are planning to do exactly what you are referring to regarding online solutions, and while there is a long list of topics here: https://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Resources the page can probably be updated. Now there was a bug in the slider module on the website, blocking us from editing the slider... was fixed earlier today :-) You didn't check again did you? And yes please email us a few photos directly (or give us a link), we'll be happy to update the ones we have. Thank you. Fred

June 29, 2021

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2021 Preparation

by Mostafa Ahangarha

> As I said we're a community, if someone feels like doing it we can > discuss about the details and move forward. If the issue is to find a person to handle the account, I would raise my hand and do my best. We can discuss details. > Now with the pandemic (which seems to be what he asked for) we don't > think face-to-face meeting is the way to go. That however doesn't change > the content by itself. If we misunderstood the question, please > Ahangarha let us know and we'll try to address your issue. Frankly I didn't understand what Ali Reza said about what I meant. So I talk about what I said. I am not thinking about in-person meetings at all. If some people feel safe to do it (like what we did in Kabul, Afghanistan last year) that is fine. But that is up to them and their conditions. We won't encourage that for sure. Health is far more important than conducting such programs. I think we need to motivate people to use online solutions creatively. We can help them by listing ethically FLOSSy options (jitsi, BBB, Mumble, icecat,...). We can even approach some FLOSS organizations and ask them to provide some little infrastructure for a week or 2-3 days and let registered events on SFD website to hold their program on. I am sure it worth trying with some organizations like FSF, FSFE, FramaSoft,... As you mentioned, we can have a list of suggested topics (not as agenda, but as some curated list for those who are out of option. at least as a starting point) **** Regarding SN, I emphasis again that I don't advocate absence on popular ones. I only mean SFD should be in forefront of promoting migration to ethical FLOSSy platforms. People should know SFD's main account is on an ethical platform while exploiting others to spread the words. FSF does the same. their twitter account just cross-posts what they share on their main account (used to be GnuSocial and now is Mastodon). Using some tools like moa.party, we can cross-post from Mastodon to twitter (which is what I do). **** There is also another point I want to share here and avoid sending it as another email: one slide is talking about 2017. Please update that. If you want I can share photo of SFD in Kabul university last year. -- Regards, Mostafa Ahangarha

June 29, 2021

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2021 Preparation

by Frederic Muller - DFF

On 6/28/21 10:23 PM, Mostafa Ahangarha wrote: > I am simply requesting to consider Mastodon as the primary account or at > least one of them. We can discuss about the possible challenges. We'll look into it and see what we can do. Promise ;-)! Fred

June 29, 2021

Re: [SFD-discuss] Countdown available in English and French for now

by Frederic Muller - DFF

Hi again! On 6/28/21 10:28 PM, Mostafa Ahangarha wrote: > Hi > > I just wanted to know how I can help with Persian one. Yes, funnily I was talking with you offline and looked at the Persian countdown. The SVG file has not been uploaded to the wiki. We're looking at a different way to provide the countdown so translations are easier to fit in. Also since I did it yesterday for French, Chinese Simplified and Traditional, generating 100 png with different numbers or text is not that fun ;-) So I'll recommend to wait a few more days and see if we can do better. I think we in > Iran (or even Afghanistan) will celebrate SFD one day before the > official day since we have Friday as holiday Iran and Afghanistan. Yet I > am not sure if this would be the decision for all (possible) teams. > > How this could be managed? > This comes back often (celebrating on a specific date) and while it is better for 'the (SFD) community' to celebrate on the same day, each country, region, religion often have conflicting celebration which will make your SFD event not the place people can be. In such case we recommend local teams to pick a better date and make it clear their event is on a different date. I've moved my SFD events a few times, sometimes 1 month later due to local celebration. A side issue is that the coundown will not work so well. If you can host the files yourself, then we provide all the code for your to run it, and we can probably help you out if you're struggling with it. I think it's getting easier to run Python on shared hosting as well, so VPS are not required (that might really depend on the host though). So to summarize: pick the date that works for your community, and make sure it's very clear on your wiki page and communication channels. Thank you. Fred

June 29, 2021

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2021 Preparation

by Frederic Muller - DFF

Answers below: On 6/28/21 9:58 PM, Ali Reza Hayati wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jun 2021 21:31:03 +0700 > Frederic Muller - DFF <fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org> wrote: > >> which basically gives our different addresses and hashtags. For this >> year it says: "For twitter, flickr and any service using hashtags, our >> tag is #softwarefreedomday or #sfd(plus)year e.g. #sfd2021 for year 2021 > > Should there be such notice, and a Facebook address? Like we're trying to invite people avoid such networks, not to invite them participate in Software Freedom Day using privacy-violating networks. Needless to mention that those networks make people run nonfree JavaScript. Right. This has been a discussion in the past and we concluded it was a place to look for people who didn't know about Software Freedom, so while we really don't post much, we do inform about registration, and major messages we think matter. > >> Ok... we're still struggling to log back into Twitter because... you >> know what?... not really into those SN private/I still your data/but I >> don't tell you things. And I never tell anyone when I hurt my foot. > > What's the matter? Is there anything we can help? Thank you, managed to get back in finally. > >>> - Let's have an account on Mastodon (on fediverse). >> mmm... I'm not sure. SN comes and goes. Over the past (almost!) 20 years >> we've had our shares of different ones. However we would be more than >> happy if someone can help us and take care of what they think matters. >> We can discuss further, and with pleasure. > > Mastodon is a decentralized federated social network made by free software (licensed under AGPL) and many free software organizations like FSF and GNOME are active there. It would be wonderful if we make an account there. Postings to/from Twitter and Mastodon can be automatic using some bots/services. As I said we're a community, if someone feels like doing it we can discuss about the details and move forward. > > Also, I don't think "we had some accounts on some social networks 20 years ago" is a good excuse to avoid a popular ethical social network. In fact, we should be happy that such software and network exist and we can invite people to participate in that, instead of an unethical nonfree network. I forgot the names... 20 years is a slight exaggeration, but a long time ago there were 2 Free (as in Freedom) Social Networks to 'replace' FB and Twitter. We had accounts in both, I actually took care of the Twitter clone until... it disappeared. So no, it's not an excuse. As I said SN come and go, and yes we do also communicate on non-free ones because that's where newcomers are. I am not the one doing it, I don't like SN and do not have any account (nor do I have anything to say every 5 minutes). > >>> - Make a guideline for people to know how to celebrate SFD during the >>> pandemic including hold an online program on ethical/FLOSS platforms. >>> >> So we have a start "something" here: >> https://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/VideoConferencing >> >> and it is a work in progress. >> > > I don't think that's what Ahangarha meant. I believe he meant something like inviting people to post that hashtag or join us fixing that bug or talk about free software and their rights with your friends kind of thing. SFD is not about fixing a bug, it's about promoting and explaining (often to people not so familiar with) Free Software. If Ahangarha is looking for a potential agenda we have quite some content in the wiki. The Startup Guide is a good start, there are topics suggestions as well, together with presentations and other suggestions. Now with the pandemic (which seems to be what he asked for) we don't think face-to-face meeting is the way to go. That however doesn't change the content by itself. If we misunderstood the question, please Ahangarha let us know and we'll try to address your issue. > > Happy hacking everybody. > > Thank you and happy preparation! Fred

June 29, 2021