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Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2020

by Julian H. Stacey

Hi http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss <sfd-discuss(a)sf-day.org> bcc: "Astrid Jekat" <astrid(a)jekat.com> "http://www.vcfe.org organisers " <org(a)vcfe.org>, "http://mailman.berklix.org/mailman/listinfo/vcfe" <vcfe(a)mailman.berklix.org>, "http://mailman.berklix.org/mailman/listinfo/sfd-org" <sfd-org(a)mailman.berklix.org> (BCC'd not CC'd to avoid a cross post storm, any who might want to discuss on lists should join lists first, Any mail to any *(a)mailman.berklix.org list is auto discarded unseen, unless sent from a subscribed address. ) LM wrote: > Was just wondering when the SFD wiki would be updated for 2020. Seems > like a good time to discuss SFD 2020 since it was just mentioned in > the Document Freedom Day thread. > > Just attended a couple of Linux, FLOSS related meetings using Jitsi. > I think it would be great this year to host SFD 2020 virtually instead > of at our local library. We might even get a bigger turn out. I > wasn't impressed with the ability to share slides over Jitsi > especially if someone's running it from a mobile device with low > bandwidth. However, I have some info/slides I put together on the web > for a local tech conference. Could supply the web links for viewing > information and slides and have the meeting for SFD via Jitsi. Think > it would be fun. http://www.vcfe.org (Vintage Computer Fest Europe) are also like https://www.softwarefreedomday.org/ looking at various technologies to support virtualising an annual event. Seems to me ( an ex exhibitor at vcfe.org & ex organiser of SFD Munich http://www.berklix.org/sfd/ ) you have similar requirements & could share knowledge, as both want not just small group conferencing per exhibitor stand, but also larger group streaming for lectures, & feedback questions & responses etc. You might want to swap knowledge, join each others lists etc. BTW I have an index of conference software at http://www.berklix.org/meet/ inc. http://www.berklix.org/meet/#jitsi It does not include some technologies a friend is looking at for broadcast streaming, but I'm happy to add URLs if mailed direct. Cheers -- Julian Stacey, Consultant Systems Engineer, BSD Linux http://berklix.com/jhs/ http://www.berklix.org/corona/#masks Tie 2 handkerchiefs or 1 pillow case. Jobs & economy hit by Corona to be hit again by Crash Brexit 31st Dec. 2020

May 13, 2020

SFD 2020

by LM

On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 11:30 AM <sfd-discuss-request(a)sf-day.org> wrote: > Being a grass root event we probably need to let each team decide what > they want to present (topic - time - language). That could mean more > than 1 streaming channel necessary if we offer the streaming capabilities. Would be nice to let each group choose the software they use to communicate (hopefully a FLOSS one). Depending on what devices/computers people have available in their area, some software solutions will work for some people, some may not. Some people may not have access to high Internet speed or bandwidth. Maybe an IRC chat in some areas as opposed to Jitsi or BigBlueButton would be good for some groups. I'm hoping we can be as inclusive as possible for people to join in, so using different software/mediums should let us reach more people. So many of the virtual events going on now are leaving people out if they don't have the latest hardware/software/best Internet speeds. The SFD organization as a whole could attempt to help schedule the groups so there's as little overlap as possible and people can attend multiple events if they want. The SFD can also be a central place to let people know the schedule of events and where/how to access them. That would put most of the effort on the individual groups and the SFD could concentrate on organization, coordination and helping get the word out via their web site/wiki. > Also I feel there are basic topics which should roll all over the day > such as introduction to FOSS, How to start, communities nearby, etc but > this is only one opinion. For topics that are very general and introductory, it might be nice to have a web, blog or wiki post that we could refer attendees to. Even if some of the groups plan to cover the topics again, it could be useful to have something at the SFD site that points to written or pre-recorded videos of that information that could be called up at any time. Also, would be nice in some cases to provide transcripts if possible especially if someone's hearing impaired. It might be interesting to go through the Linux and Free Software groups listed at https://gettogether.community/ and see if any of them want to participate virtually this year in SFD. We could invite them. > We could do bi-weekly (as in twice a month) IRC meetings with people > interested to organize something and see if anything comes out of it. If you get something up on IRC, please share the meeting info. My main laptop died and I'm using an older laptop. It's taking forever for the new computer I ordered to arrive by mail order. It's very hit and miss for me as to what software will work and what won't. I can get Jitsi working but that's via an Android tablet. Zoom which everyone else seems to be using just crashes. Haven't used IRC on my laptop in ages. Will have to see if the software is even working. I know there were some changes with freenode and some of the other servers to add authentication that made some of my FLOSS IRC software clients unusable with certain servers. Look forward to SFD 2020.

May 12, 2020

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2020

by Frederic Muller - DFF

Dear lmemsm (that's all I could come up with - I guess I am not a good investigator ;-) )! Yes! [initial email was way too long...] So we have 5 months to prepare. Software choice is one issue, event organization (and interaction) is another. I'll skip software choices for now. Being a grass root event we probably need to let each team decide what they want to present (topic - time - language). That could mean more than 1 streaming channel necessary if we offer the streaming capabilities. Also I feel there are basic topics which should roll all over the day such as introduction to FOSS, How to start, communities nearby, etc but this is only one opinion. We could do bi-weekly (as in twice a month) IRC meetings with people interested to organize something and see if anything comes out of it. I feel it would be faster than exchanging on such a prolific topic by email, as least to kick start it. What do you (as in everybody on the list) say? Thank you. Fred On 5/11/20 7:07 PM, LM wrote: > Was just wondering when the SFD wiki would be updated for 2020. Seems > like a good time to discuss SFD 2020 since it was just mentioned in > the Document Freedom Day thread. > > Just attended a couple of Linux, FLOSS related meetings using Jitsi. > I think it would be great this year to host SFD 2020 virtually instead > of at our local library. We might even get a bigger turn out. I > wasn't impressed with the ability to share slides over Jitsi > especially if someone's running it from a mobile device with low > bandwidth. However, I have some info/slides I put together on the web > for a local tech conference. Could supply the web links for viewing > information and slides and have the meeting for SFD via Jitsi. Think > it would be fun. > > With World Tai Chi Day, everyone did Tai Chi from home at 10 AM in > there particular time zone. Think it could be really great if any > groups doing SFD this year virtually could schedule their sessions at > different times (especially if they're already in different time > zones) so that people could attend and participate in multiple virtual > events. Would also be wonderful to have one page on the SFD wiki that > gives times and virtual locations for all the virtual events. > > I'd also like to come up with some ideas for reaching out to people > who may not have the latest and greatest hardware or who have low > resource or older computers or maybe just mobile devices. Any ideas > on that front would be greatly appreciated. > > Think now would be a great time to start planning for SFD 2020. > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > . >

May 12, 2020

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2020

by Stuart J Mackintosh

> Just attended a couple of Linux, FLOSS related meetings using Jitsi. Yes - Jitsi works well for video conferencing and screen-sharing. For a virtual event, BigBlueButton (http://docs.bigbluebutton.org/) might be more appropriate. There are various FOSS options for broadcasting when a larger audience of watchers is needed, opposed to participants. SJM -- Stuart J Mackintosh CEO / Founder OpusVL Logo Business management software - Joined-up, flexible & open • Open Source Specialists Drury House Drury Lane Rugby CV21 3DE T: 01788 298 450 DDI: 01788 298 457 E: sjm(a)opusvl.com <mailto:sjm@opusvl.com> W: http://opusvl.com IM: xmpp:stuart.j.mackintosh@project.im

May 11, 2020

SFD 2020

by LM

Was just wondering when the SFD wiki would be updated for 2020. Seems like a good time to discuss SFD 2020 since it was just mentioned in the Document Freedom Day thread. Just attended a couple of Linux, FLOSS related meetings using Jitsi. I think it would be great this year to host SFD 2020 virtually instead of at our local library. We might even get a bigger turn out. I wasn't impressed with the ability to share slides over Jitsi especially if someone's running it from a mobile device with low bandwidth. However, I have some info/slides I put together on the web for a local tech conference. Could supply the web links for viewing information and slides and have the meeting for SFD via Jitsi. Think it would be fun. With World Tai Chi Day, everyone did Tai Chi from home at 10 AM in there particular time zone. Think it could be really great if any groups doing SFD this year virtually could schedule their sessions at different times (especially if they're already in different time zones) so that people could attend and participate in multiple virtual events. Would also be wonderful to have one page on the SFD wiki that gives times and virtual locations for all the virtual events. I'd also like to come up with some ideas for reaching out to people who may not have the latest and greatest hardware or who have low resource or older computers or maybe just mobile devices. Any ideas on that front would be greatly appreciated. Think now would be a great time to start planning for SFD 2020.

May 11, 2020

Re: [SFD-discuss] Document Freedom Day

by Marcos Marado

I can confirm that the Portuguese plans for SFD 2020 have been postponed to 2021. On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 10:33 AM Frederic Muller - DFF <fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org> wrote: > > On 5/11/20 4:23 PM, সাজেদুর রহিম জোয়ারদার wrote: > > We the FOSS Bangladesh team take part in SFD, DFD, EFD since 2011 and > > try our level best to held a seminar in our local university or college > > campus on the event day. > > > > Please let me know how may FOSS Bangladesh team help in this current > > scenario. > > Well I believe most of us have big issues than DFD 2021 at the current > time. So let give it a few months to rest and see how the situation > evolves on both fronts. > > Maybe disucssing SFD in a different thread would make sense but it > really doesn't sound like it would make sense to encourage poeple > organizing events when big parts of the world are in lockdown or hardly > getting out of it without any certainty of what the future may be. > > Thank you too for your support. > > Fred > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss

May 11, 2020

Re: [SFD-discuss] Document Freedom Day

by Frederic Muller - DFF

On 5/11/20 4:23 PM, সাজেদুর রহিম জোয়ারদার wrote: > We the FOSS Bangladesh team take part in SFD, DFD, EFD since 2011 and > try our level best to held a seminar in our local university or college > campus on the event day. > > Please let me know how may FOSS Bangladesh team help in this current > scenario. Well I believe most of us have big issues than DFD 2021 at the current time. So let give it a few months to rest and see how the situation evolves on both fronts. Maybe disucssing SFD in a different thread would make sense but it really doesn't sound like it would make sense to encourage poeple organizing events when big parts of the world are in lockdown or hardly getting out of it without any certainty of what the future may be. Thank you too for your support. Fred

May 11, 2020

Re: [SFD-discuss] Document Freedom Day

by সাজেদুর রহিম জোয়ারদ ার

Hi Fred Peace be upon you and Thanks for your mail. বুধ, ৬ মে, ২০২০ তারিখে ৯:০৩ PM টায় এ Frederic Muller - DFF < fred(a)digitalfreedomfoundation.org> লিখেছেন: > Hi! > We hope you are all doing ok despite the current problem(s). We received > an email from the 'Document Foundation' (Italo Vignoli to be precise). > > It turned out that way: > "The new board at The Document Foundation, the home of LibreOffice, is > interested in getting the documentfreedom.org domain from FSFE, as the > community is willing to manage the website and the Document Freedom Day > activities starting from 2021. > > The current documentfreedom.org website is still pointing at DFD 2018, > so it has not been updated for the last two years, and this is not good > for the open source ecosystem and for the Open Document Format, which in > the meantime has reached version 1.3. > > Please let me know your thoughts on the above. Of course, if we get the > domain and website, we will be more than happy to see contributions from > other projects." > > We nicely told them the project was active and when contacting LO over 2 > years ago they said they had no interest in DFD (I have the message if > anyone is interested). > > And while we would definitely welcome any help, we felt the message was > not really nice (or really not nice?) and replied accordingly. Within 2 > messages more I was called a liar and told "all the LO people are on the > DFD mailing list and haven't seen any communication for 2 years. > > So here it is. LO will go with a different domain and a same or > different event because apparently Italo thinks that if he decides > something people should just go along. > > Just wanted to let everyone know. > We the FOSS Bangladesh team take part in SFD, DFD, EFD since 2011 and try our level best to held a seminar in our local university or college campus on the event day. Please let me know how may FOSS Bangladesh team help in this current scenario. -- রিং/ring মহাসচিব/General Secretary এফওএসএস বাংলাদেশ/FOSS Bangladesh

May 11, 2020

Re: [SFD-discuss] Document Freedom Day

by Frederic Muller - DFF

Yes I was also thinking the same. It sounded like a 0 or 1, with nothing in the middle from an organization which has told me (a board member) that they had no interest in DFD. And when they change their mind we can only say yes? ... Thank you for the response and support and hopefully next year will be more prone to organize events. Fred On 5/11/20 3:09 PM, Bob Jonkman wrote: > If they were really interested in helping Document Freedom Day they > would have offered some alternatives other than taking over the domain. > Like, maybe, sponsorship, or assistance in updating the website, or > offering a venue for a DFD conference.... > > I have every intention of participating in future Digital Freedom > Foundation activities. But life gets in the way of getting things done, > sometimes. > > Keep up the good work, Frederic! > > --Bob. > > > On 2020-05-06 11:01 a.m., Frederic Muller - DFF wrote: >> Hi! >> >> We hope you are all doing ok despite the current problem(s). We received >> an email from the 'Document Foundation' (Italo Vignoli to be precise). >> >> It turned out that way: >> "The new board at The Document Foundation, the home of LibreOffice, is >> interested in getting the documentfreedom.org domain from FSFE, as the >> community is willing to manage the website and the Document Freedom Day >> activities starting from 2021. >> >> The current documentfreedom.org website is still pointing at DFD 2018, >> so it has not been updated for the last two years, and this is not good >> for the open source ecosystem and for the Open Document Format, which in >> the meantime has reached version 1.3. >> >> Please let me know your thoughts on the above. Of course, if we get the >> domain and website, we will be more than happy to see contributions from >> other projects." >> >> We nicely told them the project was active and when contacting LO over 2 >> years ago they said they had no interest in DFD (I have the message if >> anyone is interested). >> >> And while we would definitely welcome any help, we felt the message was >> not really nice (or really not nice?) and replied accordingly. Within 2 >> messages more I was called a liar and told "all the LO people are on the >> DFD mailing list and haven't seen any communication for 2 years. >> >> So here it is. LO will go with a different domain and a same or >> different event because apparently Italo thinks that if he decides >> something people should just go along. >> >> Just wanted to let everyone know. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Fred >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> >

May 11, 2020

Re: [SFD-discuss] Document Freedom Day

by Bob Jonkman

If they were really interested in helping Document Freedom Day they would have offered some alternatives other than taking over the domain. Like, maybe, sponsorship, or assistance in updating the website, or offering a venue for a DFD conference.... I have every intention of participating in future Digital Freedom Foundation activities. But life gets in the way of getting things done, sometimes. Keep up the good work, Frederic! --Bob. On 2020-05-06 11:01 a.m., Frederic Muller - DFF wrote: > Hi! > > We hope you are all doing ok despite the current problem(s). We received > an email from the 'Document Foundation' (Italo Vignoli to be precise). > > It turned out that way: > "The new board at The Document Foundation, the home of LibreOffice, is > interested in getting the documentfreedom.org domain from FSFE, as the > community is willing to manage the website and the Document Freedom Day > activities starting from 2021. > > The current documentfreedom.org website is still pointing at DFD 2018, > so it has not been updated for the last two years, and this is not good > for the open source ecosystem and for the Open Document Format, which in > the meantime has reached version 1.3. > > Please let me know your thoughts on the above. Of course, if we get the > domain and website, we will be more than happy to see contributions from > other projects." > > We nicely told them the project was active and when contacting LO over 2 > years ago they said they had no interest in DFD (I have the message if > anyone is interested). > > And while we would definitely welcome any help, we felt the message was > not really nice (or really not nice?) and replied accordingly. Within 2 > messages more I was called a liar and told "all the LO people are on the > DFD mailing list and haven't seen any communication for 2 years. > > So here it is. LO will go with a different domain and a same or > different event because apparently Italo thinks that if he decides > something people should just go along. > > Just wanted to let everyone know. > > Kind regards, > > Fred > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > -- Bob Jonkman <bjonkman(a)sobac.com> Phone: +1-519-635-9413 SOBAC Microcomputer Services http://sobac.com/sobac/ Software --- Office & Business Automation --- Consulting GnuPG Fngrprnt:04F7 742B 8F54 C40A E115 26C2 B912 89B0 D2CC E5EA

May 11, 2020