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Re: [SFD-discuss] The wiki Artwork page

by Rodrigo Rodriguez

2012/9/6 María Leandro <tatadbb(a)gmail.com> > Hello! ¡Hola! :-) > There is an easier solution, and that is to provide thumbnails. We have > that at Fedora wiki so, you folks can take a look. > IMHO, thumbnails makes a web page more complicated to use (it's one click more to see the whole image and for some users may be very annoying). Indeed separate translations from general artwork would be a MUST, however, > I would keep everything in the same page. We have found that opening a lot > of pages (even if for us is more comfortable) for the general user seeking > for information is complicated. > +1 > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F18_Artwork/Submissions/Supplemental_Wallpap… > > I hope this info helps a bit. > > 2012/9/6 Frederic Muller - DFI <fred(a)softwarefreedomday.org> > >> Hi! >> >> The discussion is about this page: >> http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork >> >> I see more and more people providing translation and more stuff to the >> Artwork page and it's great! Now the page starts to be a bit long and I >> feel this is a problem. Am I right to think so? >> >> If this is the case there are a few things which can be done: >> 1. Put translations of artwork in separate pages >> > Could we make some http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork for information in web-native language (english) and http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork/xx for every language we want to add (es, ca, pt, pt-br, miq, etc...) > 2. Enforce the current Artwork separation and extend it. At the moment >> we have separate pages for: >> - logo >> - banners (vague definition) >> - countdown >> - general artwork/others >> >> still we tend to put a copy of those (logo, banners and countdown) in >> the Artwork page. >> >> We could have another page for the swags artworks make Artwork page a >> link page to all different types of Artworks. >> > -- Rodrigo Rodríguez http://mundonomada.info __ Prohibido prohibir. La libertad empieza con una prohibición. * * Linux user # 471524 | Ubuntu user # 23047 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nomada

Sept. 6, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] Making SFD happen in Detroit

by Frederic Muller - DFI

On 09/06/2012 07:23 PM, Frederic Muller - DFI wrote: > On 09/06/2012 12:11 AM, mike bader wrote:> I'd like to get one going > here, but not sure there is enough time left? >> I think I have the manpower and maybe a location. >> Too bad as there are none in Michigan. >> >> mike bader > > Hi! > > Sorry for not having fully followed up and great initiative to ping the > list. The 3 events I was referring to in "your area" are all roughly > from 210 to 300 miles from you (google map was unusable at the time of > my email) which is still quite a distance. > > Considering you do have a LUG to assist you and are kind of confirming > both some helpers and a location I would go ahead. > > Did you read the Start Guide which I pointed to you [1]? It's full of > advice and tips to get off the ground. I can only give you a pale and > shorten version here, but I'll still give it a shot: > [...] > > You have 8 days left, this is doable. If you think it's a bit too > challenging delay, give yourself 1/2 more weeks and make the event > happen on 22 or 29th, this is fine too. Just make sure people you > contact know you're pick a different date ;-) > > And now you can also read the Start Guide, all is in it and much more. > > Good luck and go for it! It'll be a great experience I am sure. > > Thanks. > > > Fred > > [1]: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/StartGuide > Of course there are more things you can do such as contacting the FSF to see if they have speakers or members in Detroit that would be interested to join you in any way. Searching for FOSS users in your area through forums such as the ubuntu, fedora or opensuse fora might also be a good start. Those are high visibility places and should get you some feedback and positive responses (and free advertising ;-) ). Fred

Sept. 6, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] the wiki, the site, and going i11l

by María Leandro

Hello. 2012/9/6 Ivan Shmakov <oneingray(a)gmail.com> > >>>>> María Leandro <tatadbb(a)gmail.com> writes: > > […] > > > There is an easier solution, and that is to provide thumbnails. We > > have that at Fedora wiki so, you folks can take a look. > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F18_Artwork/Submissions/Supplemental_Wallpap… > > Indeed, thumbnails seem to be a sensible solution. > Unfortunately, the problem is larger than that. > > > Indeed separate translations from general artwork would be a MUST, > > however, I would keep everything in the same page. We have found > > that opening a lot of pages (even if for us is more comfortable) for > > the general user seeking for information is complicated. > > I'd vote for splitting the page per-language. The point is that > the J. Random User looking for an artwork in language L will > expect the page listing this artwork to be itself written in the > language L. For now, the annotations to the artwork are > typically given in English, even if the artwork in question is > non-English, — a thing that, I believe, should change. > I completely understand, I'm a spanish-native speaker and i know this issue on first hand (I have to do a lot of translations just to get more contributors all the time) > > (A related issue is that it's all too common for the teams to > write their own Wiki pages in English, even if there're only a > few fluent English-speakers, if any, among the intended > audience. Indeed, I've heard one of them say, “aren't these > wiki pages for DFI only, anyway?”) > It will be a challenge to organize all languages, probably if we could add them differently. I'm not against to have a wiki per each language, however, I'm worried that we will end up with 100 new wiki pages and nobody to maintain them (as I said... I'm 100% pro-multilingual) but I'm also aware that not everyone wil know how to look for it even if this seems really obvious for us. > > To note is that it was already suggested [1] on the planning-ru@ > mailing list to establish an entirely separate site for the > Russian-speaking SFD community. Indeed, at this moment we > cannot even refer to http://sf-day.org/ as the primary source of > information regarding the event, as most of its contents is only > available in English! And as for Russia, it's rather uncommon > for a person here to know English well, if at all. > If there is a strategy to translate or the admin can add a translation-plugin I would be happy to make a spanish translation, however, even if there are a lot of us who can do the work, we still need the admin of the website to provide us the tool. > > [1] http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.foss.sfd.planning.ru/129 > > […] > > -- > FSF associate member #7257 http://sfd.am-1.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro Blog: http://tatica.org Portfolio: http://tap.tatica.org LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56

Sept. 6, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] Free Linux Essentials Training Manual (PDF and Android-APP)

by Seun Ojedeji

Hello, Thanks for sharing the information. As we look forward to the training. Regards OJ sent from google nexus On Sep 4, 2012 11:53 PM, "LIS" <lis(a)lifeforte.com> wrote: > > Dear Seun, > > Free Linux Essentials Training Manual (PDF and Android-APP) for all at > FUOYE SFD 2012 > > I trust you will find this very useful. > As part of our preparations towards the Software Freedom Day and the LPI > Linux Essentials Training and Exams coming up at FUOYE SFD, please kindly > forward to the appropriate quarters. > > A material for Linux Essentials has been developed by our German partner, > Linup Front GmbH, and we are very grateful to them for making this > material free of charge to your candidates. > We would also be glad if you put on your site for interested candidates to > download for free for the training or anybody interested > PDF manual: > http://shop-download.linupfront.de/cc/lxes-en-manual-cc.pdf > > Android app: > https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.linupfront.essentialsen > > Linux Essentials at LPI: > http://www.lpi.org/linux-certifications/introductory-programs/linux- > essentials > > I think this has also just come in time, also in the spirit of Software > Freedom day and LPI with Linup Front GmbH are glad to be a part of > educating all on free software, Linux and Open Source Technologies. > > We also believe this will give majority even a wider opportunity take > advantage of the knowledge of free Software offered in the LPI Linux > Essentials education and certification program. > > Please kindly give us a feed back as you enlighten more on this > > Regards > Olaoluwa > > _____---------- > > Linup Front GmbH (established in 2001 in Weiterstadt, Germany) is a > leading provider of training materials and instructor services for > Linux and FLOSS. For more information, refer to > http://www.linupfront.com/ and http://shop.linupfront.com/ . > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------- > LIS is the Linux Professional Institute Nigeria Master Affiliate > For more information about LIS: > web: http://lpinigeria.org > follow us on: > twitter: http://twitter.com/#!/lpiconnect > facebook: http://www.facebook.com/LPIConnect > Snail mail: 1,Lifeforte Boulevard, Awotan GRA, UI P.O.Box 20923,Ibadan,Oyo > State, Nigeria or call > +234-08035444627,08033251511. > > ------------------------------------------------- > The Linux Professional Institute is globally supported by the IT industry, > enterprise customers, community professionals, government entities and the > educational community. LPI's certification program is supported by an > affiliate network spanning five continents and is distributed worldwide in > multiple languages in more than 7,000 testing locations. Since 1999, LPI > has delivered close to 200,000 exams and over 65,000 LPIC certifications > around the world.

Sept. 6, 2012

the wiki, the site, and going i11l

by Ivan Shmakov

>>>>> María Leandro <tatadbb(a)gmail.com> writes: […] > There is an easier solution, and that is to provide thumbnails. We > have that at Fedora wiki so, you folks can take a look. > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F18_Artwork/Submissions/Supplemental_Wallpap… Indeed, thumbnails seem to be a sensible solution. Unfortunately, the problem is larger than that. > Indeed separate translations from general artwork would be a MUST, > however, I would keep everything in the same page. We have found > that opening a lot of pages (even if for us is more comfortable) for > the general user seeking for information is complicated. I'd vote for splitting the page per-language. The point is that the J. Random User looking for an artwork in language L will expect the page listing this artwork to be itself written in the language L. For now, the annotations to the artwork are typically given in English, even if the artwork in question is non-English, — a thing that, I believe, should change. (A related issue is that it's all too common for the teams to write their own Wiki pages in English, even if there're only a few fluent English-speakers, if any, among the intended audience. Indeed, I've heard one of them say, “aren't these wiki pages for DFI only, anyway?”) To note is that it was already suggested [1] on the planning-ru@ mailing list to establish an entirely separate site for the Russian-speaking SFD community. Indeed, at this moment we cannot even refer to http://sf-day.org/ as the primary source of information regarding the event, as most of its contents is only available in English! And as for Russia, it's rather uncommon for a person here to know English well, if at all. [1] http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.foss.sfd.planning.ru/129 […] -- FSF associate member #7257 http://sfd.am-1.org/

Sept. 6, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] The wiki Artwork page

by María Leandro

Don't worry too much about code, you can provide the text-code already arranged on a side using the code quotation :P 2012/9/6 Frederic Muller - DFI <fred(a)softwarefreedomday.org> > Hi María, > > That's a very interesting feedback. I actually thought people wouldn't > scroll down too much... > > For thumbnails it's obviously possible to shrink some of them (all > artworks have their svg counterparts attached to the page) but for the > web banners we expect people to take the png file more often than > customizing them. Now if you say long pages are ok, it's not really an > issue. > > I can work on separating the languages for a start at least, that works > quite well with the countdowns and people contributing don't seem to > find this difficult. > > Thank you. > > Fred > > On 09/06/2012 09:26 PM, María Leandro wrote: > > Hello! > > > > There is an easier solution, and that is to provide thumbnails. We have > > that at Fedora wiki so, you folks can take a look. > > > > Indeed separate translations from general artwork would be a MUST, > > however, I would keep everything in the same page. We have found that > > opening a lot of pages (even if for us is more comfortable) for the > > general user seeking for information is complicated. > > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F18_Artwork/Submissions/Supplemental_Wallpap… > > > > I hope this info helps a bit. > > > > 2012/9/6 Frederic Muller - DFI <fred(a)softwarefreedomday.org > > <mailto:fred@softwarefreedomday.org>> > > > > Hi! > > > > The discussion is about this page: > > http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork > > > > I see more and more people providing translation and more stuff to > the > > Artwork page and it's great! Now the page starts to be a bit long > and I > > feel this is a problem. Am I right to think so? > > > > If this is the case there are a few things which can be done: > > 1. Put translations of artwork in separate pages > > 2. Enforce the current Artwork separation and extend it. At the > moment > > we have separate pages for: > > - logo > > - banners (vague definition) > > - countdown > > - general artwork/others > > > > still we tend to put a copy of those (logo, banners and countdown) in > > the Artwork page. > > > > We could have another page for the swags artworks make Artwork page a > > link page to all different types of Artworks. > > > > What do you guys think? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Fred > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SFD-discuss mailing list > > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org> > > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > > > > > > > > -- > > tatica > > Maria Gracia Leandro > > Blog: http://tatica.org > > Portfolio: http://tap.tatica.org > > LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SFD-discuss mailing list > > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro Blog: http://tatica.org Portfolio: http://tap.tatica.org LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56

Sept. 6, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] The wiki Artwork page

by Frederic Muller - DFI

Hi María, That's a very interesting feedback. I actually thought people wouldn't scroll down too much... For thumbnails it's obviously possible to shrink some of them (all artworks have their svg counterparts attached to the page) but for the web banners we expect people to take the png file more often than customizing them. Now if you say long pages are ok, it's not really an issue. I can work on separating the languages for a start at least, that works quite well with the countdowns and people contributing don't seem to find this difficult. Thank you. Fred On 09/06/2012 09:26 PM, María Leandro wrote: > Hello! > > There is an easier solution, and that is to provide thumbnails. We have > that at Fedora wiki so, you folks can take a look. > > Indeed separate translations from general artwork would be a MUST, > however, I would keep everything in the same page. We have found that > opening a lot of pages (even if for us is more comfortable) for the > general user seeking for information is complicated. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F18_Artwork/Submissions/Supplemental_Wallpap… > > I hope this info helps a bit. > > 2012/9/6 Frederic Muller - DFI <fred(a)softwarefreedomday.org > <mailto:fred@softwarefreedomday.org>> > > Hi! > > The discussion is about this page: > http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork > > I see more and more people providing translation and more stuff to the > Artwork page and it's great! Now the page starts to be a bit long and I > feel this is a problem. Am I right to think so? > > If this is the case there are a few things which can be done: > 1. Put translations of artwork in separate pages > 2. Enforce the current Artwork separation and extend it. At the moment > we have separate pages for: > - logo > - banners (vague definition) > - countdown > - general artwork/others > > still we tend to put a copy of those (logo, banners and countdown) in > the Artwork page. > > We could have another page for the swags artworks make Artwork page a > link page to all different types of Artworks. > > What do you guys think? > > Thanks. > > Fred > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org <mailto:SFD-discuss@sf-day.org> > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > > > -- > tatica > Maria Gracia Leandro > Blog: http://tatica.org > Portfolio: http://tap.tatica.org > LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

Sept. 6, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] Making SFD happen in Detroit

by mike bader

On 9/6/2012 7:23 AM, Frederic Muller - DFI wrote: > On 09/06/2012 12:11 AM, mike bader wrote:> I'd like to get one going > here, but not sure there is enough time left? >> I think I have the manpower and maybe a location. >> Too bad as there are none in Michigan. >> >> mike bader > Hi! > > Sorry for not having fully followed up and great initiative to ping the > list. The 3 events I was referring to in "your area" are all roughly > from 210 to 300 miles from you (google map was unusable at the time of > my email) which is still quite a distance. > > Considering you do have a LUG to assist you and are kind of confirming > both some helpers and a location I would go ahead. > > > Good luck and go for it! It'll be a great experience I am sure. > > Thanks. > > > Fred > > [1]: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/StartGuide > > I talked to a few people and asked what they thought as to us doing one. I posted the idea on our forum where other groups have access. I mentioned the one group that did it here in the past and several others where we are also members. Meeting planned for Sunday. What is in the kit and is getting that one of the next steps? thanks mike bader

Sept. 6, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] The wiki Artwork page

by María Leandro

Hello! There is an easier solution, and that is to provide thumbnails. We have that at Fedora wiki so, you folks can take a look. Indeed separate translations from general artwork would be a MUST, however, I would keep everything in the same page. We have found that opening a lot of pages (even if for us is more comfortable) for the general user seeking for information is complicated. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F18_Artwork/Submissions/Supplemental_Wallpap… I hope this info helps a bit. 2012/9/6 Frederic Muller - DFI <fred(a)softwarefreedomday.org> > Hi! > > The discussion is about this page: > http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork > > I see more and more people providing translation and more stuff to the > Artwork page and it's great! Now the page starts to be a bit long and I > feel this is a problem. Am I right to think so? > > If this is the case there are a few things which can be done: > 1. Put translations of artwork in separate pages > 2. Enforce the current Artwork separation and extend it. At the moment > we have separate pages for: > - logo > - banners (vague definition) > - countdown > - general artwork/others > > still we tend to put a copy of those (logo, banners and countdown) in > the Artwork page. > > We could have another page for the swags artworks make Artwork page a > link page to all different types of Artworks. > > What do you guys think? > > Thanks. > > Fred > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro Blog: http://tatica.org Portfolio: http://tap.tatica.org LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56

Sept. 6, 2012

The wiki Artwork page

by Frederic Muller - DFI

Hi! The discussion is about this page: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork I see more and more people providing translation and more stuff to the Artwork page and it's great! Now the page starts to be a bit long and I feel this is a problem. Am I right to think so? If this is the case there are a few things which can be done: 1. Put translations of artwork in separate pages 2. Enforce the current Artwork separation and extend it. At the moment we have separate pages for: - logo - banners (vague definition) - countdown - general artwork/others still we tend to put a copy of those (logo, banners and countdown) in the Artwork page. We could have another page for the swags artworks make Artwork page a link page to all different types of Artworks. What do you guys think? Thanks. Fred

Sept. 6, 2012