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Re: [SFD-discuss] Making SFD happen in Detroit

by mike bader

On 9/7/2012 9:41 PM, Frederic Muller - DFI wrote: > > On 09/08/2012 12:50 AM, mike bader wrote: >> Looks like it is going to happen >> Have a location and a game plan. >> Created wiki id.Can't seem to add MI/DETROIT > Sorry for the delayed answered, we're obviously not on the same time > zone ;-) I noticed you used Ferndale instead of Detroit. I tried adding > Detroit and had no problem... weird. Do you want me to replace Ferndale > with Detroit? > > Thanks. > > Fred > > it is actually ferndale but detroit would be more well known. We can leave it for now. We made a lot of progress and will hit it again tomorrow. thanks mike bader

Sept. 8, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] Making SFD happen in Detroit

by Frederic Muller - DFI

On 09/08/2012 12:50 AM, mike bader wrote: > Looks like it is going to happen > Have a location and a game plan. > Created wiki id.Can't seem to add MI/DETROIT Sorry for the delayed answered, we're obviously not on the same time zone ;-) I noticed you used Ferndale instead of Detroit. I tried adding Detroit and had no problem... weird. Do you want me to replace Ferndale with Detroit? Thanks. Fred

Sept. 8, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] Making SFD happen in Detroit

by mike bader

On 9/6/2012 11:40 PM, Frederic Muller - DFI wrote: > > On 09/07/2012 11:30 AM, mike bader wrote: >> Ok am getting replies to messages I sent out to several local groups. >> I will see if we can make it happen. >> >> thanks >> >> mike bader >> >> > That's good to hear. Often you're not alone to want to do something, but > it always take someone to get things started. > > All the best for your event. > > Fred > Looks like it is going to happen Have a location and a game plan. Created wiki id.Can't seem to add MI/DETROIT

Sept. 7, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] the wiki, the site, and going i11l

by María Leandro

Hello. 2012/9/6 Frederic Muller - DFI <fred(a)softwarefreedomday.org> > > > On 09/06/2012 10:29 PM, María Leandro wrote: > > (A related issue is that it's all too common for the teams to > > write their own Wiki pages in English, even if there're only > a > > few fluent English-speakers, if any, among the intended > > audience. Indeed, I've heard one of them say, “aren't these > > wiki pages for DFI only, anyway?”) > > > > > > It will be a challenge to organize all languages, probably if we could > > add them differently. I'm not against to have a wiki per each language, > > however, I'm worried that we will end up with 100 new wiki pages and > > nobody to maintain them (as I said... I'm 100% pro-multilingual) but I'm > > also aware that not everyone wil know how to look for it even if this > > seems really obvious for us. > > > > > > > > To note is that it was already suggested [1] on the > planning-ru@ > > mailing list to establish an entirely separate site for the > > Russian-speaking SFD community. Indeed, at this moment we > > cannot even refer to http://sf-day.org/ as the primary > source of > > information regarding the event, as most of its contents is > only > > available in English! And as for Russia, it's rather > uncommon > > for a person here to know English well, if at all. > > > > > > If there is a strategy to translate or the admin can add a > > translation-plugin I would be happy to make a spanish translation, > > however, even if there are a lot of us who can do the work, we still > > need the admin of the website to provide us the tool. > > The wiki has already a few sections translated. Templates in specific > languages (and text boxes - check the bottom of > http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2012/ ) have been created for teams > who want to use them. moinmoin is language aware on all its key pages. > Do check the wiki frontpage : en Español - em Português - en français - > हिंदी में - తెలుగు - 繁體中文 - 한국어 . That's 7 languages > StartGuide: en Español - en français . That 2 languages. > Wiki has no issue at all. > > I really don't think technology is at stake here. It's more a matter of > someone (well more than one someone obviously) putting in the efforts. A > wiki is difficult to translate as content changes often. Still all the > team pages for Spanish & Portuguese speaking countries are in Spanish > (most of), I'd say the same for Turkish pages even if they do not have > any template made yet (just saying to the Russian crowd.. "hey just do > it! Others have been doing it for a few years now" ;-) ). > If there is already a on-work progress on Spanish I would be happy to push it and finish it. However, I need to know what do you have, where do you have it and how do you want me to send you the translations. For non-English speakers it's important not to only have the wiki translated, but also the main web... this is the front end for everything and should be a priority over the rest. > > For www is more complicated at the moment, but it slightly easier to > manage. Again the site is available in some other languages. > > To summarize there is no technical issues, it works. It's just a matter > of continuing what has been started and extending it to other section. > Obviously we're no wikipedia and it will take longer, but Spanish > translations didn't happen overnight neither. I don't mind to > systematically create a sister page when I see foreign content added, I > just always feel that for 1 paragraph it's sometimes overkill (my bad). > I consider that translating everything would be a pain too, wiki must be a matter of each country/language. However, main website has almost always the same content and it's important for those who don't even know what the event is to have a friendly front-page multilingual support. If we try to make it all, we won't accomplish anything, however, there are some few spots that can make a difference. Just a couple of thoughts. > > Fred > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > -- tatica Maria Gracia Leandro Blog: http://tatica.org Portfolio: http://tap.tatica.org LinuxUser= 440285 GPG Public Key: E1CDCC56

Sept. 7, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] Making SFD happen in Detroit

by mike bader

On 9/6/2012 11:40 PM, Frederic Muller - DFI wrote: > > On 09/07/2012 11:30 AM, mike bader wrote: >> Ok am getting replies to messages I sent out to several local groups. >> I will see if we can make it happen. >> >> thanks >> >> mike bader >> >> > That's good to hear. Often you're not alone to want to do something, but > it always take someone to get things started. > > All the best for your event. > > Fred > I am meeting with one person tomorrow. mike bader

Sept. 7, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] Making SFD happen in Detroit

by Frederic Muller - DFI

On 09/07/2012 11:30 AM, mike bader wrote: > Ok am getting replies to messages I sent out to several local groups. > I will see if we can make it happen. > > thanks > > mike bader > > That's good to hear. Often you're not alone to want to do something, but it always take someone to get things started. All the best for your event. Fred

Sept. 7, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] Making SFD happen in Detroit

by mike bader

On 9/6/2012 9:45 PM, Frederic Muller - DFI wrote: > > On 09/06/2012 09:45 PM, mike bader wrote: >> I talked to a few people and asked what they thought as to us doing one. >> I posted the idea on our forum where other groups have access. >> I mentioned the one group that did it here in the past and several >> others where we are also members. >> Meeting planned for Sunday. >> What is in the kit and is getting that one of the next steps? >> >> thanks >> mike bader > Hi! > > Nice to hear. The kit contains from memory: > - a real (as opposed to web) banner ~ 7' x 2' (smaller than) > - 3 SFD T-shirt > - 10 iron transfer labels > - stcikers, balloons > - 2 DVDs (OpenDisc/Free Distros + Free Culture Disc) to replicate > > The deadline to apply for the kit was August 12th this year (we pushed > the limit again and again due to personal & technical issues). > > The next step would be to create a team/event wiki page on the SFD wiki > under country/state/city (quick guide available at > http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/CreateYourTeampage and register your > event by filling up the form here: > http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/cgi-bin/register.py . Of course all > this is already documented in the Start Guide which I strongly > recommended to read. The registration will allow you to get listed and > have a marker for your event on the global SFD events map page which is > here http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/map/ , making your event easier > to find for visitors. > > Fred > > > Ok am getting replies to messages I sent out to several local groups. I will see if we can make it happen. thanks mike bader

Sept. 7, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] Making SFD happen in Detroit

by Seun Ojedeji

On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 2:45 AM, Frederic Muller - DFI < fred(a)softwarefreedomday.org> wrote: > - 10 iron transfer labels > - stcikers, balloons > Ok ours did not contain balloons, but we did get more than 10 iron labels though ;) > - 2 DVDs (OpenDisc/Free Distros + Free Culture Disc) to replicate > > The deadline to apply for the kit was August 12th this year (we pushed > the limit again and again due to personal & technical issues). > > The next step would be to create a team/event wiki page on the SFD wiki > under country/state/city (quick guide available at > http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/CreateYourTeampage and register your > event by filling up the form here: > http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/cgi-bin/register.py . Of course all > this is already documented in the Start Guide which I strongly > recommended to read. The registration will allow you to get listed and > have a marker for your event on the global SFD events map page which is > here http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/map/ , making your event easier > to find for visitors. > > Fred > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Seun Ojedeji, Federal University Oye-Ekiti web: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng Mobile: +2348035233535 **alt email: <http://goog_1872880453>seun.ojedeji(a)fuoye.edu.ng*

Sept. 7, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] the wiki, the site, and going i11l

by Frederic Muller - DFI

On 09/06/2012 10:29 PM, María Leandro wrote: > (A related issue is that it's all too common for the teams to > write their own Wiki pages in English, even if there're only a > few fluent English-speakers, if any, among the intended > audience. Indeed, I've heard one of them say, “aren't these > wiki pages for DFI only, anyway?”) > > > It will be a challenge to organize all languages, probably if we could > add them differently. I'm not against to have a wiki per each language, > however, I'm worried that we will end up with 100 new wiki pages and > nobody to maintain them (as I said... I'm 100% pro-multilingual) but I'm > also aware that not everyone wil know how to look for it even if this > seems really obvious for us. > > > > To note is that it was already suggested [1] on the planning-ru@ > mailing list to establish an entirely separate site for the > Russian-speaking SFD community. Indeed, at this moment we > cannot even refer to http://sf-day.org/ as the primary source of > information regarding the event, as most of its contents is only > available in English! And as for Russia, it's rather uncommon > for a person here to know English well, if at all. > > > If there is a strategy to translate or the admin can add a > translation-plugin I would be happy to make a spanish translation, > however, even if there are a lot of us who can do the work, we still > need the admin of the website to provide us the tool. The wiki has already a few sections translated. Templates in specific languages (and text boxes - check the bottom of http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2012/ ) have been created for teams who want to use them. moinmoin is language aware on all its key pages. Do check the wiki frontpage : en Español - em Português - en français - हिंदी में - తెలుగు - 繁體中文 - 한국어 . That's 7 languages StartGuide: en Español - en français . That 2 languages. I really don't think technology is at stake here. It's more a matter of someone (well more than one someone obviously) putting in the efforts. A wiki is difficult to translate as content changes often. Still all the team pages for Spanish & Portuguese speaking countries are in Spanish (most of), I'd say the same for Turkish pages even if they do not have any template made yet (just saying to the Russian crowd.. "hey just do it! Others have been doing it for a few years now" ;-) ). For www is more complicated at the moment, but it slightly easier to manage. Again the site is available in some other languages. To summarize there is no technical issues, it works. It's just a matter of continuing what has been started and extending it to other section. Obviously we're no wikipedia and it will take longer, but Spanish translations didn't happen overnight neither. I don't mind to systematically create a sister page when I see foreign content added, I just always feel that for 1 paragraph it's sometimes overkill (my bad). Fred

Sept. 7, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] Making SFD happen in Detroit

by Frederic Muller - DFI

On 09/06/2012 09:45 PM, mike bader wrote: > I talked to a few people and asked what they thought as to us doing one. > I posted the idea on our forum where other groups have access. > I mentioned the one group that did it here in the past and several > others where we are also members. > Meeting planned for Sunday. > What is in the kit and is getting that one of the next steps? > > thanks > mike bader Hi! Nice to hear. The kit contains from memory: - a real (as opposed to web) banner ~ 7' x 2' (smaller than) - 3 SFD T-shirt - 10 iron transfer labels - stcikers, balloons - 2 DVDs (OpenDisc/Free Distros + Free Culture Disc) to replicate The deadline to apply for the kit was August 12th this year (we pushed the limit again and again due to personal & technical issues). The next step would be to create a team/event wiki page on the SFD wiki under country/state/city (quick guide available at http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/CreateYourTeampage and register your event by filling up the form here: http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/cgi-bin/register.py . Of course all this is already documented in the Start Guide which I strongly recommended to read. The registration will allow you to get listed and have a marker for your event on the global SFD events map page which is here http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/map/ , making your event easier to find for visitors. Fred

Sept. 7, 2012