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Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD countdown

by Seun Ojedeji

Hello Fred, Your explanation is well understood. Thanks OJ sent from google nexus On Aug 16, 2012 6:54 AM, "Frederic Muller - DFI" < fred(a)softwarefreedomday.org> wrote: > Hi! > > Sorry for the late response, was finishing a lot of things including the > OpenDisc SFD Edition 2012 and cleaning up the wiki as it seems too > complicated for some people to follow the simple requirements of having > their team/event page under their country and city (not to mention > clicking on a map somewhere around the location where the event is most > likely going to happen). /rant > > The code for both countdown are available (one in the wiki and one in > the webpage). They actually work differently as the website countdown > (top banner) uses your computer clock to do the calculation while the > SFD banner countdown uses the US server plus or minus an offset decided > by the person who is hosting that banner. So in our case (SFD website) > we are using the SFD server timezone which is UTC -4, though aware of > the issue we are trying not to display both on the same page. > > So now depending on where and from where you're looking there can > obviously be a difference between the two. > > I hope I have explained it well (besides we might as well use a > different time for counting the final day: from midnight for one and 3am > for the other one - I would have to double check again). > > Fred > > On 08/13/2012 01:36 AM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > >> Just looking at the SFD site, i noticed the countdown are different. > While > >> that on top is reading 33days , the other(which is used by the > community) s > >> reading 34days. > >> > >> http://softwarefreedomday.org/en/blog/194-100-teams-registered- > > > > I see that too. At Sun Aug 12 19:01:29 CEST 2012 =GMT +02:00 > > > > I first wondered if timezone only honoured by 1 of 2 counts ? > Considering: > > Where browser is (me: +02:00 = Germany) > > Where browser's possible proxies are (+02:00 = Germany) > > Where SFD servers are USA it seems ****** > > & if browser (or proxy ?) emit vars that might affect SFD page content, > > eg from my server > > http://www.berklix.net/cgi-bin/printenv > > I see > > TZ="Europe/Berlin" > > > > However now, USA Sunday afternoon = Germany Sunday evening so timezones > > don't explain it. Presumably there's an "off by one" programming error ? > > > > ****** > > I guess SFD servers are in USA (but that might not be TZ in kernel) > > nslookup > > softwarefreedomday.org > > 70.87.222.73 > > > > traceroute 70.87.222.73 > >>From DSL: > > 7 ae-47-47.ebr2.Paris1.Level3.net (4.69.143.142) 133.974 ms > > ae-48-48.ebr2.Paris1.Level3.net (4.69.143.146) 129.588 ms > > ae-46-46.ebr2.Paris1.Level3.net (4.69.143.138) 126.567 ms > > 8 ae-41-41.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.137.50) 110.777 ms > > ae-43-43.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.137.58) 127.463 ms > > ae-41-41.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.137.50) 112.367 ms > > 9 ae-92-92.csw4.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.134.158) 110.183 ms > > ae-82-82.csw3.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.134.154) 117.123 ms > > ae-62-62.csw1.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.134.146) 110.603 ms > > 10 ae-1-60.edge3.Washington4.Level3.net (4.69.149.18) 112.987 ms > > ae-4-90.edge3.Washington4.Level3.net (4.69.149.210) 111.647 > mstraceroute: sendto: Permission denied > > > >>From berklix.net servers: > > 9 ae7.bbr01.eq01.dal03.networklayer.com (173.192.18.208) 137.062 ms > 134.128 ms 133.489 ms > > 10 po31.dsr02.dllstx3.networklayer.com (173.192.18.227) 136.899 ms > > po31.dsr01.dllstx3.networklayer.com (173.192.18.225) 137.444 ms > 137.451 ms > > 11 te1-3.dsr02.dllstx2.networklayer.com (70.87.253.122) 138.414 ms > > te3-3.dsr01.dllstx2.networklayer.com (70.87.255.114) 133.895 ms > > te3-1.dsr02.dllstx2.networklayer.com (70.87.255.130) 134.394 ms > > 12 po2.car01.dllstx2.networklayer.com (70.87.254.78) 135.647 ms > 135.668 ms 196.911 ms > > 13 router1-dal.linode.com (67.18.7.90) 133.804 ms 136.847 ms > 133.656 ms > > 14 * * * > > > > Cheers, > > Julian > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

Aug. 16, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] Pictures-banners for our Facebook and Google Plus profiles

by Frederic Muller - DFI

Hi! Seems I never got this email as well (found it while looking at the SFD site). We already have a collection of promotional banners available at: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Promote with all the source files available attached to the page making it easy to localize. You may also find those 2 pages of interest: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Marketing http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork Fred On 08/13/2012 07:27 AM, Stathis Iosifidis wrote: > Hello, > > Since I'm not into graphics, can someone create a banner to add it to > our facebook and Google Plus profiles? > Those banners have different size as I understand. Check my facebook > and > plus profiles to understand what I mean. > The banner can have something like "I celebrate SFD". > > How do you think about that idea? > Have a lot of fun. > Stathis

Aug. 16, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD countdown

by Frederic Muller - DFI

Hi! Sorry for the late response, was finishing a lot of things including the OpenDisc SFD Edition 2012 and cleaning up the wiki as it seems too complicated for some people to follow the simple requirements of having their team/event page under their country and city (not to mention clicking on a map somewhere around the location where the event is most likely going to happen). /rant The code for both countdown are available (one in the wiki and one in the webpage). They actually work differently as the website countdown (top banner) uses your computer clock to do the calculation while the SFD banner countdown uses the US server plus or minus an offset decided by the person who is hosting that banner. So in our case (SFD website) we are using the SFD server timezone which is UTC -4, though aware of the issue we are trying not to display both on the same page. So now depending on where and from where you're looking there can obviously be a difference between the two. I hope I have explained it well (besides we might as well use a different time for counting the final day: from midnight for one and 3am for the other one - I would have to double check again). Fred On 08/13/2012 01:36 AM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: >> Just looking at the SFD site, i noticed the countdown are different. While >> that on top is reading 33days , the other(which is used by the community) s >> reading 34days. >> >> http://softwarefreedomday.org/en/blog/194-100-teams-registered- > > I see that too. At Sun Aug 12 19:01:29 CEST 2012 =GMT +02:00 > > I first wondered if timezone only honoured by 1 of 2 counts ? Considering: > Where browser is (me: +02:00 = Germany) > Where browser's possible proxies are (+02:00 = Germany) > Where SFD servers are USA it seems ****** > & if browser (or proxy ?) emit vars that might affect SFD page content, > eg from my server > http://www.berklix.net/cgi-bin/printenv > I see > TZ="Europe/Berlin" > > However now, USA Sunday afternoon = Germany Sunday evening so timezones > don't explain it. Presumably there's an "off by one" programming error ? > > ****** > I guess SFD servers are in USA (but that might not be TZ in kernel) > nslookup > softwarefreedomday.org > 70.87.222.73 > > traceroute 70.87.222.73 >>From DSL: > 7 ae-47-47.ebr2.Paris1.Level3.net (4.69.143.142) 133.974 ms > ae-48-48.ebr2.Paris1.Level3.net (4.69.143.146) 129.588 ms > ae-46-46.ebr2.Paris1.Level3.net (4.69.143.138) 126.567 ms > 8 ae-41-41.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.137.50) 110.777 ms > ae-43-43.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.137.58) 127.463 ms > ae-41-41.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.137.50) 112.367 ms > 9 ae-92-92.csw4.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.134.158) 110.183 ms > ae-82-82.csw3.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.134.154) 117.123 ms > ae-62-62.csw1.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.134.146) 110.603 ms > 10 ae-1-60.edge3.Washington4.Level3.net (4.69.149.18) 112.987 ms > ae-4-90.edge3.Washington4.Level3.net (4.69.149.210) 111.647 mstraceroute: sendto: Permission denied > >>From berklix.net servers: > 9 ae7.bbr01.eq01.dal03.networklayer.com (173.192.18.208) 137.062 ms 134.128 ms 133.489 ms > 10 po31.dsr02.dllstx3.networklayer.com (173.192.18.227) 136.899 ms > po31.dsr01.dllstx3.networklayer.com (173.192.18.225) 137.444 ms 137.451 ms > 11 te1-3.dsr02.dllstx2.networklayer.com (70.87.253.122) 138.414 ms > te3-3.dsr01.dllstx2.networklayer.com (70.87.255.114) 133.895 ms > te3-1.dsr02.dllstx2.networklayer.com (70.87.255.130) 134.394 ms > 12 po2.car01.dllstx2.networklayer.com (70.87.254.78) 135.647 ms 135.668 ms 196.911 ms > 13 router1-dal.linode.com (67.18.7.90) 133.804 ms 136.847 ms 133.656 ms > 14 * * * > > Cheers, > Julian >

Aug. 16, 2012

Pictures-banners for our Facebook and Google Plus profiles

by Stathis Iosifidis (aka diamond_gr)

Hello, Since I'm not into graphics, can someone create a banner to add it to our facebook and Google Plus profiles? Those banners have different size as I understand. Check my facebook and plus profiles to understand what I mean. The banner can have something like "I celebrate SFD". How do you think about that idea? Have a lot of fun. Stathis -- http://about.me/iosifidis http://iosifidis.co.cc or http://eiosifidis.tk http://blogs.gnome.org/eiosifidis http://eiosifidis.wordpress.com Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/eiosifidis Google+: http://bit.ly/IU5p3I Connect: https://connect.opensuse.org/pg/profile/diamond_gr Ένα γραμμάριο δράσης αξίζει ένα τόνο θεωρίας

Aug. 13, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD countdown

by Julian H. Stacey

> Just looking at the SFD site, i noticed the countdown are different. While > that on top is reading 33days , the other(which is used by the community) s > reading 34days. > > http://softwarefreedomday.org/en/blog/194-100-teams-registered- I see that too. At Sun Aug 12 19:01:29 CEST 2012 =GMT +02:00 I first wondered if timezone only honoured by 1 of 2 counts ? Considering: Where browser is (me: +02:00 = Germany) Where browser's possible proxies are (+02:00 = Germany) Where SFD servers are USA it seems ****** & if browser (or proxy ?) emit vars that might affect SFD page content, eg from my server http://www.berklix.net/cgi-bin/printenv I see TZ="Europe/Berlin" However now, USA Sunday afternoon = Germany Sunday evening so timezones don't explain it. Presumably there's an "off by one" programming error ? ****** I guess SFD servers are in USA (but that might not be TZ in kernel) nslookup softwarefreedomday.org 70.87.222.73 traceroute 70.87.222.73 >From DSL: 7 ae-47-47.ebr2.Paris1.Level3.net (4.69.143.142) 133.974 ms ae-48-48.ebr2.Paris1.Level3.net (4.69.143.146) 129.588 ms ae-46-46.ebr2.Paris1.Level3.net (4.69.143.138) 126.567 ms 8 ae-41-41.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.137.50) 110.777 ms ae-43-43.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.137.58) 127.463 ms ae-41-41.ebr2.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.137.50) 112.367 ms 9 ae-92-92.csw4.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.134.158) 110.183 ms ae-82-82.csw3.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.134.154) 117.123 ms ae-62-62.csw1.Washington1.Level3.net (4.69.134.146) 110.603 ms 10 ae-1-60.edge3.Washington4.Level3.net (4.69.149.18) 112.987 ms ae-4-90.edge3.Washington4.Level3.net (4.69.149.210) 111.647 mstraceroute: sendto: Permission denied >From berklix.net servers: 9 ae7.bbr01.eq01.dal03.networklayer.com (173.192.18.208) 137.062 ms 134.128 ms 133.489 ms 10 po31.dsr02.dllstx3.networklayer.com (173.192.18.227) 136.899 ms po31.dsr01.dllstx3.networklayer.com (173.192.18.225) 137.444 ms 137.451 ms 11 te1-3.dsr02.dllstx2.networklayer.com (70.87.253.122) 138.414 ms te3-3.dsr01.dllstx2.networklayer.com (70.87.255.114) 133.895 ms te3-1.dsr02.dllstx2.networklayer.com (70.87.255.130) 134.394 ms 12 po2.car01.dllstx2.networklayer.com (70.87.254.78) 135.647 ms 135.668 ms 196.911 ms 13 router1-dal.linode.com (67.18.7.90) 133.804 ms 136.847 ms 133.656 ms 14 * * * Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from Yahoo & Hotmail to be dumped @Berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/

Aug. 12, 2012

SFD countdown

by Seun Ojedeji

Just looking at the SFD site, i noticed the countdown are different. While that on top is reading 33days , the other(which is used by the community) s reading 34days. http://softwarefreedomday.org/en/blog/194-100-teams-registered- Cheers! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *Seun Ojedeji, Federal University Oye-Ekiti web: http://www.fuoye.edu.ng Mobile: +2348035233535 **alt email: <http://goog_1872880453>seun.ojedeji(a)fuoye.edu.ng*

Aug. 12, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] the name of the game

by Kevin Cole

And in the spirit of the late, great American humorist George Carlin's frequent riffs on "English: it's a silly language", I marvel that "individual freedoms" have nothing in common with the "freedom of individuals". ;-) I'll stop now.

Aug. 10, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] the name of the game

by Kevin Cole

As already pointed out, there's the Free beer (gratis) vs. Free speech (libre) as a means to distinguish between two common English uses of the word "free". But, it sounds to me as if your language problem might be with the word "software". Again, since I don't know Russian, I fall back to the English word "speech". By the same logic you used, speech can't be "free" or "enslaved" exactly. And we don't usually use the phrase "speech freedom" but instead, refer to "free speech" as "freedom of speech" and refer to individuals as being "free to speak". What about "free trade" and terms that mean unrestricted and / or unencumbered? "Free Software" and "Software Freedom" are expressing what individuals are able to freely do with the materials provided, with the caveat that those freedoms are immutable even though the materials are VERY mutable. So, are there parallel linguistic constructs in Russian that would convey the same ideas? "Free to recode, reuse, etc."?

Aug. 10, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] What's this year's swag?

by Frederic Muller - DFI

On 08/10/2012 02:18 AM, Kevin Cole wrote: > Hi, > > I regret (a) not being more active on mailing lists, and (b) only JUST > getting around to registering for this year's SFD, three days ago. So, > I've missed the swag deadline, I think. (An old message said July 15 was > the deadline, but the site said August 7.) In any case, I figure "first > come, first serve" will have eliminated me. > > But, out of idle curiosity, what's the swag box contain this year? > -- > Hi! No you haven't missed the deadline: we've been pushing it back again and again due to logistic issues. So if you did say you wanted them and entered your address, you'll get them. If not... email me off the list, we'll fix that. Swag content is similar to last year: - 3 t-shirts - 1 banner - 2 DVDs (OpenDisc and Free Culture Disc) - Stickers, balloons, iron-on transfers And we still haven't shipped, because the DVDs have been late to be mastered and for the other reasons I mentioned in a previous email. Hopefully we should be able to ship within a week. Some of you may not receive the swag on time for the event, but most likely you'll be the same as last year. So you'll probably have the 2011 swag all ready for this year event and since we didn't put any date on, they will work just fine :D For new teams, you'll be able to use them either later in the year, or in 2013. Fred

Aug. 10, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] the name of the game

by Marcos Marado

On Friday 10 August 2012 10:32:20 Ivan Shmakov wrote: > > Well, this e-mail points to some links, but fails to substantiate > > > this sentence pointing to such a link. > > There was a discussion in planning-ru@, started with [3] > (“… software cannot be neither free nor enslaved — simply > because software lacks freedom of will and possibility of a > choice…”; translation's mine.) The concerns were also raised in > the comments to [4] (“… Personally, I'm against the freedom for > tools, be it an axe, a hammer, or a program…”; translation's > mine.) > > [3] http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.foss.sfd.planning.ru/65 > [4] http://linux.org.ru/news/conference/7969998 Well, once again this might be a linguistic problem (and take into account that even my english is far from perfect, so take my interpretations with a grain of salt). But this seems to me the same argument we've seen about "free information". When you speak about "free information" you aren't implying that "information wants to be free", and, in fact, "information doesn't want to be free, people do". The same applies to free software: software doesn't want to be free, people do. Free software is software that enables *people* to be free, and here you can actually use free vs. enslaved - if you use non-free software, you're getting enslaved. In free software, it isn't the software that is free, it's its users. Pointing once again to http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html : "“Free software” means software that respects users' freedom and community. Roughly, the users have the freedom to run, copy, distribute, study, change and improve the software. With these freedoms, the users (both individually and collectively) control the program and what it does for them." There's actually a Russian translation of that text - http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.ru.html - I'm not sure about its translation quality, but maybe you could take a look and possibly reply to those arguments by pointing to that text. Best regards, -- Marcos Marado ANSOL.org

Aug. 10, 2012