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Re: [SFD-discuss] a couple of minor issues with the SFD Wiki's front page

by Ivan Shmakov

>>>>> Frederic Muller <- DFI <fred(a)softwarefreedomday.org>> writes: >>>>> On 07/14/2012 02:56 AM, Ivan Shmakov wrote: […] >> ASCII hyphens (-, U+002D) are used in place of proper em dashes >> (U+2014; cf. [1].) I've run a simplistic sed(1) substitution over >> the text, proofread it briefly, applied a couple more of manual >> fixes, and now MIME the result. >> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dash > Thanks for looking at this. I am personally at loss with the > subtlety of the difference and what problem it is causing. It simply goes against typographical conventions. Hyphens are used for line-wrapping and to form compound words (as in: “line-wrapping”), not in definitions, and the like (as in: “Lewis Carroll — the impartial narrator…”) Consider, e. g.: --cut: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyphen -- The hyphen (‐) is a punctuation mark used to join words and to separate syllables of a single word. The use of hyphens is called hyphenation. The hyphen should not be confused with dashes (‒, –, —, ―), which are longer and have different uses, or with the minus sign (−) which is also longer. […] --cut: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyphen -- (There is also an easy to understand explanation in [2], but only a version in Russian of that article currently exists.) [2] http://www.artlebedev.ru/kovodstvo/sections/97/ > However the frontpage being only updatable by moderators and admins I > can definitely add you to the former group if you're interested. For now, I'm interested in just this one single edit, and I feel it unjustified to grant me such privileges, unless temporarily. TIA. >> The other issue is the mention of SFI where, I guess, DFI should've >> been mentioned. Thus I suggest the following change: >> -This SFD Wiki is organized by the Software Freedom International [[sfi|SFI]]. >> +This SFD Wiki is organized by the [[DFI|Digital Freedom International]] (DFI). > For SFI vs DFI, actually both names are valid. I however agree that > we should try to keep only one to avoid confusions. ACK, thanks for the clarification. -- FSF associate member #7257 http://sf-day.org/

July 14, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] a couple of minor issues with the SFD Wiki's front page

by Frederic Muller - DFI

Hi! Thanks for looking at this. I am personally at loss with the subtlelty of the difference and what problem it is causing. However the frontpage being only updatable by moderators and admins I can definitely add you to the former group if you're interested. For SFI vs DFI, actually both names are valid. I however agree that we should try to keep only one to avoid confusions. Thanks. Fred On 07/14/2012 02:56 AM, Ivan Shmakov wrote: > I've just noticed a couple of issues with the Wiki's front page. > > The first of them is a typographical one: ASCII hyphens > (-, U+002D) are used in place of proper em dashes (U+2014; > cf. [1].) I've run a simplistic sed(1) substitution over the > text, proofread it briefly, applied a couple more of manual > fixes, and now MIME the result. > > The other issue is the mention of SFI where, I guess, DFI > should've been mentioned. Thus I suggest the following change: > > -This SFD Wiki is organized by the Software Freedom International [[sfi|SFI]]. > +This SFD Wiki is organized by the [[DFI|Digital Freedom International]] (DFI). > > [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dash

July 14, 2012

a couple of minor issues with the SFD Wiki's front page

by Ivan Shmakov

I've just noticed a couple of issues with the Wiki's front page. The first of them is a typographical one: ASCII hyphens (-, U+002D) are used in place of proper em dashes (U+2014; cf. [1].) I've run a simplistic sed(1) substitution over the text, proofread it briefly, applied a couple more of manual fixes, and now MIME the result. The other issue is the mention of SFI where, I guess, DFI should've been mentioned. Thus I suggest the following change: -This SFD Wiki is organized by the Software Freedom International [[sfi|SFI]]. +This SFD Wiki is organized by the [[DFI|Digital Freedom International]] (DFI). [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dash -- FSF associate member #7257 http://sf-day.org/ #acl AdminGroup:read,write,admin ModeratorGroup:write,read All:read [[PáginaInicial|en Español]] — [[PáginaPrincipal|em Português]] — [[PageD'Accueil|en français]] — [[मुखपृष्ठ|हिंदी में]] — [[తెలుగు ల|తెలుగు]] — [[首頁|繁體中文]] — [[|한국어]] = Welcome to the Software Freedom Day Wiki — 2012 = This SFD Wiki is organized by the Software Freedom International [[sfi|SFI]]. A team URL will be country/city/team or country/state/city/team when it makes sense. A team page MUST be separate from the city page. Thank you. * '''To create / find a teampage, simply go to [[2012|SFD 2012]]''' * '''Read the StartGuide to get started!''' * '''[[Marketing]]''' * [[Artwork]] — The '''current''' SFD logo, banners, magazine ad, tshirts design, and so forth. * [[Marketing/EventSlogans|EventSlogans]] — Some slogans / themes of SFD events. * [[Marketing/FOSS101|101 Reasons to use FOSS]] — It's a work in progress page to list out reasons why we use FOSS / systems! * [[Resources]] — Templates, Presentations, Movies, Texts, FreeSoftwareMedia etc. * [[GetInvolved]] — How to get involved in SFD * [[Promote]] & [[CountDown]] — SFD Banners and countdown with different languages! * [[SfdContactingSchool]] — How to get your local schools talking about Free Software in this SFD! * '''[[SfdWorldwidePlanning|SFD WorldWide]]''' * [[SfdSummit]] — A global SFD event co-organized with Digital Freedom International * [[SocialNetworks|Social Networks]] — Some social network links related to SFD. * [[GeneralFaq|General FAQ]] — If you have any question in general, try to look for an answer from FAQ. You can also post your question there and get an answer later. * [[http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/en/sponsors-and-supporters|Sponsors and Partners]] — This page is to give credits to all the organizations / people who give SFD supports. * [[VideoConferencing|Connect to other teams via video]] (''in progress'') * '''Wiki''' * WikiLicense — Licensing Policy of the SFD Wiki * WikiFaq — If you have any question regarding the Wiki, try to look for an answer from FAQ. You can also post your question there and get an answer later. * WikiWishList — Put your suggestions here, what we should change, add or remove in the Wiki. We will do our best to address them. * WikiEditingTips — Some tips on how to edit Wiki pages. * WikiFeatures — Things this Wiki can do. == Archives == * [[2011|SFD 2011]] — 2011 teams * [[2010|SFD 2010]] — 2010 teams * [[http://archive.softwarefreedomday.org/|An Archive of the old Wiki (year 2009 or before)]] == Statistics == This page has been accessed <<Hits>> times and this wiki contains <<PageCount(exists)>> pages.

July 13, 2012

Countdown in Persian!

by Frederic Muller - DFI

Hello all I would like to thank Bersam Karbasion and his team for doing the Persian version of the SFD countdown. You'll notice that they even went with an improved design over the standard SFD countdown one. Be aware though that the banner size is different for this countdown (message definitely intended to Julian). So if you're somewhere in Iran where we have 5 teams registered (UTC+3:30/GMT+3:30) the countdown code will be: <a href="http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/"><img src="http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/countdown/banner1-UTC+3.30-fa.png" border="0" width="160" height="160" alt="۱۵ سپتامبر، منتظر شما هستیم"></a> Happy SFD to all! Fred

July 6, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] Countdown in Greek!

by Frederic Muller - DFI

On 07/04/2012 05:45 PM, Frederic Muller - DFI wrote: > it seems not all letters have a "Entity name" It seems this link contradicts the above for Greek ("For greek letters you can use their name with the case defined by the case of the first letter in the name...") http://www.boulder.swri.edu/~joel/esc_chars.html

July 4, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] Countdown in Greek!

by Frederic Muller - DFI

On 07/02/2012 08:48 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Frederic Muller - DFI wrote: >> >> >> On 07/02/2012 05:54 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: >>> Frederic Muller - DFI wrote: >>>> Hello all >>>> >>>> I would like to thank Stathis Iosifidis for doing the Greek version of >>>> the SFD countdown this year (and all this while preparing for his >>>> upcoming exams). >>>> >>>> So if you're in Athens, Greece (UTC+3 as Greece is in daylight saving >>>> time) the countdown code will be: >>>> >>>> <a href="http://www.softwarefreedomday.org"><img >>>> src="http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/countdown/banner1-UTC+3-el.png" >>>> border="0" width="165" height="95" alt="Γιορτάστε μαζί μας την SFD στις >>>> 15 Σεπτεμβρίου!"></a> >>> >>> The Greek graphic size got accidentaly shrunk on both axis, >>> this shows the problem: >>> SFD count down - English banner, German time & Greek banner, Greek time <img src= >>> "http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/countdown/banner1-UTC+2-en.png" >>> border="0" width="165" height="95" alt= >>> "SFD count dow "> <img src= >>> "http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/countdown/banner1-UTC+3-el.png" >>> border="0" width="165" height="95" alt= >>> "Î“Î¹Î¿ÏÏ&bdquo;Î¬Ï&fnof;Ï&bdquo;Îµ Î¼Î±Î¶Î¯ Î¼Î±Ï&sbquo; Ï&bdquo;Î·Î½ SFD Ï&fnof;Ï&bdquo;Î¹Ï&sbquo; 15 Î£ÎµÏ€Ï&bdquo;ÎµÎ¼Î²ÏÎ¯Î¿Ï…!"> >>> >>> The mangled alt: >>> >>> My mailer (EXMH) displayed Greek, but after pulling the ascii >>> mail into vi to edit the HTML test page. I then >>> ran tidy -i -m, which converted high bit stuff, wrongly I guess ? >>> >>> Best if a someone (Greek?) supplies HTML Greek escape sequences for the sample. >>> EG for German, escape sequences: Ö = O umlaut = O + 2 dots on top. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Julian >>> >> >> Hi! >> >> I am not sure what are you needs, but the greek graphics are 5 pixel >> bigger in both directions. So the English and Greek code will also >> differ in the width and height parameter, unless you omit them (in which >> case the banner size will not be reserved, and grow only once the >> graphic is loaded). >> >> Does that help? >> >> Fred > > I had assumed they'd all be same size. > So I used same size from Greek exported back to English > (to save me looking for previous URL in mail list archive) > > The Greek sample is broken in 2 respect: > > Wrong size > You'r probably not seeing white pixels on border cos your including page or > browser defaults to white background ? > > I see this problem using > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:9.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/9.0.1 > Set a non white default & you'll see it. > > Web page source is not good if it asserts a known wrong size > xv will tell you correct pixel size to embed in samples. > > 8 bit > Embedding 8th bit high in a web page source is bad, it can break > with many filter tools that may edit the page source that contains > the SFD advert. > > Cheers, > Julian Hi again! So I regenerated all the banners for Greek in the proper size and edited the little HTML code to reflect the changes in dimension. As far as escaping is concerned from http://www.theukwebdesigncompany.com/articles/entity-escape-characters.php it seems not all letters have a "Entity name" in which case for Greek the code should become: <a href="http://www.softwarefreedomday.org"><img src="http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/countdown/banner1-UTC+3-el.png" border="0" width="160" height="90" alt="Γιορτάστε μαζί μας την SFD στις 15 Σεπτεμβρίου!"></a> Does it work for you? Fred

July 4, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] Countdown in Greek!

by Frederic Muller - DFI

On 07/02/2012 08:48 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Frederic Muller - DFI wrote: >> >> >> On 07/02/2012 05:54 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: >>> Frederic Muller - DFI wrote: >>>> Hello all >>>> >>>> I would like to thank Stathis Iosifidis for doing the Greek version of >>>> the SFD countdown this year (and all this while preparing for his >>>> upcoming exams). >>>> >>>> So if you're in Athens, Greece (UTC+3 as Greece is in daylight saving >>>> time) the countdown code will be: >>>> >>>> <a href="http://www.softwarefreedomday.org"><img >>>> src="http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/countdown/banner1-UTC+3-el.png" >>>> border="0" width="165" height="95" alt="Γιορτάστε μαζί μας την SFD στις >>>> 15 Σεπτεμβρίου!"></a> >>> >>> The Greek graphic size got accidentaly shrunk on both axis, >>> this shows the problem: >>> SFD count down - English banner, German time & Greek banner, Greek time <img src= >>> "http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/countdown/banner1-UTC+2-en.png" >>> border="0" width="165" height="95" alt= >>> "SFD count dow "> <img src= >>> "http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/countdown/banner1-UTC+3-el.png" >>> border="0" width="165" height="95" alt= >>> "Î“Î¹Î¿ÏÏ&bdquo;Î¬Ï&fnof;Ï&bdquo;Îµ Î¼Î±Î¶Î¯ Î¼Î±Ï&sbquo; Ï&bdquo;Î·Î½ SFD Ï&fnof;Ï&bdquo;Î¹Ï&sbquo; 15 Î£ÎµÏ€Ï&bdquo;ÎµÎ¼Î²ÏÎ¯Î¿Ï…!"> >>> >>> The mangled alt: >>> >>> My mailer (EXMH) displayed Greek, but after pulling the ascii >>> mail into vi to edit the HTML test page. I then >>> ran tidy -i -m, which converted high bit stuff, wrongly I guess ? >>> >>> Best if a someone (Greek?) supplies HTML Greek escape sequences for the sample. >>> EG for German, escape sequences: Ö = O umlaut = O + 2 dots on top. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Julian >>> >> >> Hi! >> >> I am not sure what are you needs, but the greek graphics are 5 pixel >> bigger in both directions. So the English and Greek code will also >> differ in the width and height parameter, unless you omit them (in which >> case the banner size will not be reserved, and grow only once the >> graphic is loaded). >> >> Does that help? >> >> Fred > > I had assumed they'd all be same size. > So I used same size from Greek exported back to English > (to save me looking for previous URL in mail list archive) > > The Greek sample is broken in 2 respect: > > Wrong size > You'r probably not seeing white pixels on border cos your including page or > browser defaults to white background ? Yes I am seeing it, which is why I modified the size parameters in the code for Greek. Unfortunately the person helping with this is in exam period at the moment. I'll take a look at the source file and try to fix the issue tomorrow (traveling right now). > > I see this problem using > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:9.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/9.0.1 > Set a non white default & you'll see it. > > Web page source is not good if it asserts a known wrong size > xv will tell you correct pixel size to embed in samples. > > 8 bit > Embedding 8th bit high in a web page source is bad, it can break > with many filter tools that may edit the page source that contains > the SFD advert. I usually use websites that provide conversion tools for that, but then we will have to update the wiki page. Indeed a good point and we should apply this rule for the other languages too. > > Cheers, > Julian > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

July 2, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] Countdown in Greek!

by Julian H. Stacey

Frederic Muller - DFI wrote: > > > On 07/02/2012 05:54 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > > Frederic Muller - DFI wrote: > >> Hello all > >> > >> I would like to thank Stathis Iosifidis for doing the Greek version of > >> the SFD countdown this year (and all this while preparing for his > >> upcoming exams). > >> > >> So if you're in Athens, Greece (UTC+3 as Greece is in daylight saving > >> time) the countdown code will be: > >> > >> <a href="http://www.softwarefreedomday.org"><img > >> src="http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/countdown/banner1-UTC+3-el.png" > >> border="0" width="165" height="95" alt="Γιορτάστε μαζί μας την SFD στις > >> 15 Σεπτεμβρίου!"></a> > > > > The Greek graphic size got accidentaly shrunk on both axis, > > this shows the problem: > > SFD count down - English banner, German time & Greek banner, Greek time <img src= > > "http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/countdown/banner1-UTC+2-en.png" > > border="0" width="165" height="95" alt= > > "SFD count dow "> <img src= > > "http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/countdown/banner1-UTC+3-el.png" > > border="0" width="165" height="95" alt= > > "Î“Î¹Î¿ÏÏ&bdquo;Î¬Ï&fnof;Ï&bdquo;Îµ Î¼Î±Î¶Î¯ Î¼Î±Ï&sbquo; Ï&bdquo;Î·Î½ SFD Ï&fnof;Ï&bdquo;Î¹Ï&sbquo; 15 Î£ÎµÏ€Ï&bdquo;ÎµÎ¼Î²ÏÎ¯Î¿Ï…!"> > > > > The mangled alt: > > > > My mailer (EXMH) displayed Greek, but after pulling the ascii > > mail into vi to edit the HTML test page. I then > > ran tidy -i -m, which converted high bit stuff, wrongly I guess ? > > > > Best if a someone (Greek?) supplies HTML Greek escape sequences for the sample. > > EG for German, escape sequences: Ö = O umlaut = O + 2 dots on top. > > > > Cheers, > > Julian > > > > Hi! > > I am not sure what are you needs, but the greek graphics are 5 pixel > bigger in both directions. So the English and Greek code will also > differ in the width and height parameter, unless you omit them (in which > case the banner size will not be reserved, and grow only once the > graphic is loaded). > > Does that help? > > Fred I had assumed they'd all be same size. So I used same size from Greek exported back to English (to save me looking for previous URL in mail list archive) The Greek sample is broken in 2 respect: Wrong size You'r probably not seeing white pixels on border cos your including page or browser defaults to white background ? I see this problem using Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:9.0.1) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/9.0.1 Set a non white default & you'll see it. Web page source is not good if it asserts a known wrong size xv will tell you correct pixel size to embed in samples. 8 bit Embedding 8th bit high in a web page source is bad, it can break with many filter tools that may edit the page source that contains the SFD advert. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/

July 2, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] Countdown in Greek!

by Frederic Muller - DFI

On 07/02/2012 05:54 PM, Julian H. Stacey wrote: > Frederic Muller - DFI wrote: >> Hello all >> >> I would like to thank Stathis Iosifidis for doing the Greek version of >> the SFD countdown this year (and all this while preparing for his >> upcoming exams). >> >> So if you're in Athens, Greece (UTC+3 as Greece is in daylight saving >> time) the countdown code will be: >> >> <a href="http://www.softwarefreedomday.org"><img >> src="http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/countdown/banner1-UTC+3-el.png" >> border="0" width="165" height="95" alt="Γιορτάστε μαζί μας την SFD στις >> 15 Σεπτεμβρίου!"></a> > > The Greek graphic size got accidentaly shrunk on both axis, > this shows the problem: > SFD count down - English banner, German time & Greek banner, Greek time <img src= > "http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/countdown/banner1-UTC+2-en.png" > border="0" width="165" height="95" alt= > "SFD count dow "> <img src= > "http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/countdown/banner1-UTC+3-el.png" > border="0" width="165" height="95" alt= > "Î“Î¹Î¿ÏÏ&bdquo;Î¬Ï&fnof;Ï&bdquo;Îµ Î¼Î±Î¶Î¯ Î¼Î±Ï&sbquo; Ï&bdquo;Î·Î½ SFD Ï&fnof;Ï&bdquo;Î¹Ï&sbquo; 15 Î£ÎµÏ€Ï&bdquo;ÎµÎ¼Î²ÏÎ¯Î¿Ï…!"> > > The mangled alt: > > My mailer (EXMH) displayed Greek, but after pulling the ascii > mail into vi to edit the HTML test page. I then > ran tidy -i -m, which converted high bit stuff, wrongly I guess ? > > Best if a someone (Greek?) supplies HTML Greek escape sequences for the sample. > EG for German, escape sequences: Ö = O umlaut = O + 2 dots on top. > > Cheers, > Julian > Hi! I am not sure what are you needs, but the greek graphics are 5 pixel bigger in both directions. So the English and Greek code will also differ in the width and height parameter, unless you omit them (in which case the banner size will not be reserved, and grow only once the graphic is loaded). Does that help? Fred

July 2, 2012

Re: [SFD-discuss] Countdown in Greek!

by Julian H. Stacey

Frederic Muller - DFI wrote: > Hello all > > I would like to thank Stathis Iosifidis for doing the Greek version of > the SFD countdown this year (and all this while preparing for his > upcoming exams). > > So if you're in Athens, Greece (UTC+3 as Greece is in daylight saving > time) the countdown code will be: > > <a href="http://www.softwarefreedomday.org"><img > src="http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/countdown/banner1-UTC+3-el.png" > border="0" width="165" height="95" alt="Γιορτάστε μαζί μας την SFD στις > 15 Σεπτεμβρίου!"></a> The Greek graphic size got accidentaly shrunk on both axis, this shows the problem: SFD count down - English banner, German time & Greek banner, Greek time <img src= "http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/countdown/banner1-UTC+2-en.png" border="0" width="165" height="95" alt= "SFD count dow "> <img src= "http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/countdown/banner1-UTC+3-el.png" border="0" width="165" height="95" alt= "Î“Î¹Î¿ÏÏ&bdquo;Î¬Ï&fnof;Ï&bdquo;Îµ Î¼Î±Î¶Î¯ Î¼Î±Ï&sbquo; Ï&bdquo;Î·Î½ SFD Ï&fnof;Ï&bdquo;Î¹Ï&sbquo; 15 Î£ÎµÏ€Ï&bdquo;ÎµÎ¼Î²ÏÎ¯Î¿Ï…!"> The mangled alt: My mailer (EXMH) displayed Greek, but after pulling the ascii mail into vi to edit the HTML test page. I then ran tidy -i -m, which converted high bit stuff, wrongly I guess ? Best if a someone (Greek?) supplies HTML Greek escape sequences for the sample. EG for German, escape sequences: Ö = O umlaut = O + 2 dots on top. Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultants Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, cumulative like a play script, & indent with "> ". Format: Plain text. Not HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable. Mail from @yahoo dumped @berklix. http://berklix.org/yahoo/

July 2, 2012