September 2010 - SFD-discuss - lists.mailman3.com

Re: [SFD-discuss] Stallman video for SFD

by Michael Dorrington

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Frederic Muller - SFI wrote: [snip] > Hi! > > I agree with all your points, but still find Richard's video 'not very > tailor made' to SFD. I'll prevent from quoting him but there is no > acknowledgement of the people organizing SFD like you and me. Fair point. > Richard and SFI did in fact touch about the Steven Fry video and yes it > is sad that he is now pushing something that is the opposite of what we > advocate. In terms of content however Steven's message is a lot more in > line with the way we want to communicate and our target audience. I got in contact with FSF when it happened but had no response back. > For what it's worth, Mark Shuttleworth also did a video this year for > SFD in China and the message is about SFD and China. He talked about > people celebrating and that's a good thing (I don't have any youtube > link, one can see the video here though > http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/BT-yVysfF1M/ ). Is it this? http://tinyogg.com/watch/p7LMP/ It is a good video. > I think a lot of team tend to forget SFD is about talking to people who > don't know about Free Software, not a celebration by 'already convinced' > to an 'already convinced' crowd. Our intent is to fight public > ignorance. So we're not pushing GNU/Linux for everyone (try this, we'll > tell you later why it's important), nor are we saying proprietary > software should disappear. We're trying to explain what is Software > Freedom and why it matters. People can make their own conclusion and > then ask us what are there options. We're also very flexible on teams' > interpretation of what should be done for that day. I agree that SFD is about reaching out those who don't know about Free Software. That's what we did in the Manchester event. We had people demonstrating Free Software on Windows and Mac. And we handed out the OpenDisc. As well as demonstrating GNU/Linux and Free Software server applications. > I hope this put my comment in perspective and that we can open the door > to any community who cares about Software Freedom. I hope too that we bring in all those that care about Software Freedom. Mike. > Fred -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJMpNfHAAoJENdybD6q+OPvRFAQALU8yM1a84+sCXRtWG4jhW3O BYckR/CrxWV3Ap1MStD/sOp0Z2XFhln101JrQWPrYbpCUeyVg/wTZ0JXWrwPLYYt HmSZmpy/hHuiX/40QUHTSyMngzH0vBMW57XAKVPrnj+Q50vMEMEpUjnAdELZKN/p Acjgem+JhYBLA3hNSbvDl7iYzTSGuXcbNwjddLsBkfBn1UJZ8Ju+nXt7xh4v/JHg JhbHZbB2tffMeW0d9o78/owzhfRjsZwa+0UnNNFNv+CZwNUayML+H3BSOvYFgJB4 EK+95oZ+duN1VesfdYy8jEd63fztuSWv0dOKyY053LSNtgADZz7awtcpNrV6JftN svT9x395GMJIjMquKPmzW7D1r2R+qVgNcfIUpp9l/hCDSvYU60mpcwuXlqQ/3R2Y Qq7rnGJj/v0Dc/RcOwOxcshEIEhqURZ/PPSBt+KajssP+WRJ+dONxT1HpW/n+LzB wlNEAceYS5XkZVQN0Fo6SCu9EJPvKRQAWOWiMShe61p8qQrWb8237+ff/ISwKBkZ vzhVakiO7aBjbvRuHqWje1dyX/wfPs6WWGCSOSa+BEGC38h68kFrBU/sgkzxGBJx P4q9Bd8B6PJhxJlkc1QxzGJydeEQ00wgbAHu7Yxk44jVLd4Sf3xAXpEkuVs/+5Gj 3JLvJUptxtBL8z8ST1P2 =FvY5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 30, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] Stallman video for SFD

by Frederic Muller - SFI

On 09/29/2010 05:17 AM, Michael Dorrington wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > Frederic Muller - SFI wrote: >> Hi! >> >> Just finished watching and I find the Steven Fry video much better for an event >> like SFD http://www.gnu.org/fry/ . It goes on explaining in layman's terms what >> is Free Software and that's really what we want: getting the word out to educate >> and encourage people towards their own Software Freedom. > > The Stephen Fry video is good but I'm not sure about his real commitment > to Free Software. Not long after he made that video he posted an article > about how great the iPad was, > <http://www.stephenfry.com/2010/01/28/ipad-about/>. And if you follow > the link to his page from the GNU site,<http://www.gnu.org/fry/>, you > are presented with an advert for his new book via "iPad APP" and "iPhone > APP". So not so much Freedom Fry but more like iFry. > >> Besides I find Richard's intro is a bit like SFD is his event, and very much >> pushing his own ideas... while I don't mind so much, it would have been nice of >> him to acknowledge that others also works towards Software Freedom, and that the >> FSF is not the sole owner of the term. > > I think Richard's video is good, although maybe a bit heavy for a > newcomer but it needs explaining to them at some point. I agree with > Quiliro Ordóñez that I don't think Richard makes out that SFD is his > event. And its hard to overstate how much Richard has done for Software > Freedom,<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman>. Its a shame > that the FSF didn't come up with Software Freedom Day but I am truly > thankful to those that did. > >> I'd like to take this opportunity to send a little hello to any FreeBSD users >> out there and hope they don't feel "left alone". :) > > And the OpenBSD users, NetBSD users, etc. But how strong is FreeBSD's > commitment to Software Freedom? The FreeBSD kernel contains non-free > software, see the elements discovered by Debian (Ben Hutchings) as part > of Debian GNU/kFreeBSD project: > > kfreebsd-8: "Includes binary-only and obfuscated C code" > <http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=594940> > > Note, there are also non-free elements in the Linux kernel > <http://kernel.org/> (which is why there is > <http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/> and > <http://wiki.debian.org/KernelFirmwareLicensing>) > > Cheers, > Mike. Hi! I agree with all your points, but still find Richard's video 'not very tailor made' to SFD. I'll prevent from quoting him but there is no acknowledgement of the people organizing SFD like you and me. Richard and SFI did in fact touch about the Steven Fry video and yes it is sad that he is now pushing something that is the opposite of what we advocate. In terms of content however Steven's message is a lot more in line with the way we want to communicate and our target audience. For what it's worth, Mark Shuttleworth also did a video this year for SFD in China and the message is about SFD and China. He talked about people celebrating and that's a good thing (I don't have any youtube link, one can see the video here though http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/BT-yVysfF1M/ ). I think a lot of team tend to forget SFD is about talking to people who don't know about Free Software, not a celebration by 'already convinced' to an 'already convinced' crowd. Our intent is to fight public ignorance. So we're not pushing GNU/Linux for everyone (try this, we'll tell you later why it's important), nor are we saying proprietary software should disappear. We're trying to explain what is Software Freedom and why it matters. People can make their own conclusion and then ask us what are there options. We're also very flexible on teams' interpretation of what should be done for that day. I hope this put my comment in perspective and that we can open the door to any community who cares about Software Freedom. Fred

Sept. 29, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] Welcome to LibreOffice and the Document Foundation

by Quiliro Ordóñez

Thank you for the news Fred. :-) It is an initiative to protect all previous and future development from the way Oracle is dealing with stuff since the Sun Microsystems acquisition. This is a 100% libre version. (This sentence might be redundant but since sometimes non libre initiatives say they are, then it is imperative to clarify that this one is really libre.) IRichard Stallman among many others supports this initiative http://www.documentfoundation.org/supporters/ -- Saludos/Greetings Quiliro Ordóñez 593(2)340 1517 / 593(9)821 8696 Even The Troops Are Waking Up <http://tinyogg.com/watch/My8SB/> ACTA – Un acuerdo que puede garantizar la crucificción de internet<http://quiliro.wordpress.com> GNU should mean "GNU's not Ubuntu!<http://quidam.cc/03-03-2010/gnu-should-mean-gnus-not-ubuntu> "Lo único que se necesita para que triunfe el mal es que los hombres de bien no hagan nada." Sergei Bondarchuk Estas son opiniones personales y no representan la posición de organización alguna.

Sept. 29, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] Stallman video for SFD

by Michael Dorrington

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Frederic Muller - SFI wrote: > Hi! > > Just finished watching and I find the Steven Fry video much better for an event > like SFD http://www.gnu.org/fry/ . It goes on explaining in layman's terms what > is Free Software and that's really what we want: getting the word out to educate > and encourage people towards their own Software Freedom. The Stephen Fry video is good but I'm not sure about his real commitment to Free Software. Not long after he made that video he posted an article about how great the iPad was, <http://www.stephenfry.com/2010/01/28/ipad-about/>. And if you follow the link to his page from the GNU site, <http://www.gnu.org/fry/>, you are presented with an advert for his new book via "iPad APP" and "iPhone APP". So not so much Freedom Fry but more like iFry. > Besides I find Richard's intro is a bit like SFD is his event, and very much > pushing his own ideas... while I don't mind so much, it would have been nice of > him to acknowledge that others also works towards Software Freedom, and that the > FSF is not the sole owner of the term. I think Richard's video is good, although maybe a bit heavy for a newcomer but it needs explaining to them at some point. I agree with Quiliro Ordóñez that I don't think Richard makes out that SFD is his event. And its hard to overstate how much Richard has done for Software Freedom, <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman>. Its a shame that the FSF didn't come up with Software Freedom Day but I am truly thankful to those that did. > I'd like to take this opportunity to send a little hello to any FreeBSD users > out there and hope they don't feel "left alone". :) And the OpenBSD users, NetBSD users, etc. But how strong is FreeBSD's commitment to Software Freedom? The FreeBSD kernel contains non-free software, see the elements discovered by Debian (Ben Hutchings) as part of Debian GNU/kFreeBSD project: kfreebsd-8: "Includes binary-only and obfuscated C code" <http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=594940> Note, there are also non-free elements in the Linux kernel <http://kernel.org/> (which is why there is <http://www.fsfla.org/svnwiki/selibre/linux-libre/> and <http://wiki.debian.org/KernelFirmwareLicensing>) Cheers, Mike. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJMoltiAAoJENdybD6q+OPvdfwP/2iK9PKBBfcUSKKU5Z+0GAZj 5p0ShfVoTnMWpUAQ/804jebylN0OnN/HlaevNJLAQPJXQ1rjVDwNQXnlX9XOTJX3 r8mbInJR2FH4RVYQbyCmBp/5PPb2ApKw6xT/AeRqpHVOPHLn4jTxjeeWo5a2NfCx p/lwthl4rnAd21/9Nyny51dycsrKQk34nUY2KtDCHvQAx3CPeIxM79YIOehckRD8 vGVrEsK6aay3J+jbXgqIGJxU9hgsnkR/RkOQAgmKtOl1jTqK/EhuM3aSlRigSUmD 5mjIMOuYqQIHHkKk8izacwhvLjMTKZPWIGE7NRojqVVCht1qBQ8ESbEAMYKta+IS b+t4NDi0lSvjKDzK8m29eGubvUe8X5LssdRHWs0/2LxZcRUfkx9J2653LXgVKGMw Z0PjodljneqtWTxAtRUu1m2iBj8AgWGEmmRIRQ7oKuQtpQrTIvlskB/qQQ8SLw1P BmgPuKjT5S6MUewbGXXfmkOrlYeG7MiA05q/0fGABsN+Xw7PNvJDwfyP+ELogM0Y 0o+KJx5ipbxewlvhDMHfhh07AiPQfpxgbN6/0rObomZAoddnMO/QpHGhxVePIfeM pH8+qXeBD1dAVkgKGsJaIr3VK+qOg/Md5PvT2Ej0OHarNUK1YhCHx2G02fOoxZYo BOdiyMtF+z/peipfDi+y =kk7L -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Sept. 28, 2010

Welcome to LibreOffice and the Document Foundation

by Frederic Muller - SFI

Hi all, For those of you interested in cross platform Office suite OOo has just been forked and we now have a foundation (http://www.documentfoundation.org ) to manage the 'Linux' Office Suite called LibreOffice. The FAQ page should answer your questions: http://www.documentfoundation.org/faq/ Fred

Sept. 28, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] Tagging and planet matters

by Frederic Muller - SFI

Cool, I can see those on the frontpage... nice (and elsewhere as well). Thanks for the efforts. Fred On 09/25/2010 02:53 AM, Kevin Cole wrote: > I'm not much of a blogger, but I've just gone through and tagged a > boatload of photos on Flickr from the past 5 years. > (#softwarefreedomday and SFDyyyy, assuming I didn't make any typos.)

Sept. 25, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] Tagging and planet matters

by Alexandro Colorado

I did a post on my blog about it. http://www.alexandrocolorado.com/wordpress/?p=828 also more posts on the virtual event at SGCampus http://www.sgcampus.com.mx/web/sl/inicio?p_p_id=33&p_p_lifecycle=0&p_p_stat… And my picture: http://wqimg.com/data/ut/ult/Alexandro-Colorado-22966.JPG On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Kevin Cole <dc.loco(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I'm not much of a blogger, but I've just gone through and tagged a > boatload of photos on Flickr from the past 5 years. > (#softwarefreedomday and SFDyyyy, assuming I didn't make any typos.) > -- > Ubuntu Linux DC LoCo > Washington, DC > http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > -- *Alexandro Colorado* *OpenOffice.org* Español http://es.openoffice.org

Sept. 24, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] Tagging and planet matters

by Kevin Cole

I'm not much of a blogger, but I've just gone through and tagged a boatload of photos on Flickr from the past 5 years. (#softwarefreedomday and SFDyyyy, assuming I didn't make any typos.) -- Ubuntu Linux DC LoCo Washington, DC http://dc.ubuntu-us.org/

Sept. 24, 2010

Tagging and planet matters

by Frederic Muller - SFI

Dear all, While you're all going through the most intense SFD moments of the year we would like to inform you that we have: 1. created a new blog feed based on blog content around Software Freedom Day and readable here: http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/sfd/blogs.html . 2. added Flickr photos based on tagging here and there on the site 3. updated the planet rules in order to get a better focus on Software Freedom. New rules are available here: http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/en/blog/142-happy-tagging and will be applied in the coming days. We hope these new measures will make the overall content on SFD website more attractive and stimulating. Please send us your new blog feeds on the discussion mailing list with a hackergotchi or a photo of yourself (we'll happily Gimp you!). Thanks a lot and Happy SFD! Fred

Sept. 24, 2010

press clipping

by Frederic Muller - SFI

Dear all, I've starting to collect press coverage from various events at http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/press . Sometime it is hard for me to add non-English speaking countries as I am not always sure what it's talking about, nor which site is 'worthy of interest'. So please if you know about any press coverage about your own event, add it to the page in the proper section. Thanks a lot. Fred

Sept. 21, 2010