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Re: [SFD-discuss] How do you setup GNU/Linux on an iMac G4 with Panther OS X 10.3.9 ?...

by Bruce Kingsbury

Something WLUG have been running for about the last four years is a monthly "Saturday Workshop" This is similar to an installfest, but much more regular. The first Saturday of each month we set up tables, power and network and people can bring their computers along and help each other solve any problems or just talk about what they've been doing or discovered lately. On 17 September 2010 20:57, Frederic Muller - SFI < fred(a)softwarefreedomday.org> wrote: > Hi Don, > > I didn't want to hijack your other thread so I'm replying here. Some > have already made very good recommendations, but having been through the > same troubles I remember that I finished my installation at my local > GNU/Linux User Group. I am lucky enough to have a strong group nearby > and one guy took the machine home and fixed what was not working. > > Do you happen to have the same opportunity? SFD is not really a place > for GNU/Linux support but if we can get you going I'm sure everyone will > be happy. > > Thanks. > > Fred > > On 09/17/2010 03:58 AM, don warner saklad wrote: > > How do you setup GNU/Linux on an iMac apple computer > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G4 with Panther OS X 10.3.9 > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X_10.3 ?... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SFD-discuss mailing list > > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > -- Disclaimer: By sending an email to any of my addresses you are agreeing that: 1. I am by definition, "the intended recipient" 2. All information in the email is mine to do with as I see fit and make such financial profit, political mileage, or good joke as it lends itself to. 3. I may take the contents as representing the views of your company. 4. This overrides any disclaimer or statement of confidentiality that may be included on your message.

Sept. 17, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] It appears we haven't come up with an easy way to connect all who're interested with GNU/Linux .

by Bruce Kingsbury

I aquired a damaged iBook a while back and if I can sort out an LCD panel for it I intend to put PPC ubuntu on. I'll document how it goes, and the solution to any issues as I find them for the benefit of others. The last PPC I put Ubuntu on was quite a few years back and although it took a bit of figuring out to make it work, I was very happy with the results. Full writeup is here; http://wlug.org.nz/UbuntuOnOldWorldPPC And a photo of that G3 beige Mac running kubuntu is at http://openphoto.net/gallery/image.html?image_id=8815 On 17 September 2010 20:54, Frederic Muller - SFI < fred(a)softwarefreedomday.org> wrote: > Hi! > > Taking your message within the context of your former post and installs > problems I can sympathize. I too, have a PPC Macbook and it's running > Linux. There were a few quirks during the installation, notably with the > multimedia side of the machine. > > Now what SFD is focusing on, is about reaching out to non-users of Free > Software, and that can start with running FOSS applications on their > proprietary OS. So in some ways we should be explaining what is Software > Freedom and why it matters, then wait for our audience to ask us what to > do next (rather than "forcing" them to a most likely not successful > GNU/Linux adventure). > > I believe a migration path should be as smooth as possible and people > should do it because they understand and care, not because it's hype or > gratis. > > I'm just wondering what are doing the 2-300 team leaders of last year? > Have they already forgotten about Software Freedom, did they celebrate > because of the free Sun or SFD stuff (and then what good is it to send > stuff to people who only care when they are freebies)? > > I have a lot of questions on my mind and I'd like to hear what people > think. > > Thanks. > > Fred > > > On 09/17/2010 03:50 PM, don warner saklad wrote: > > It appears we haven't come up with an easy way to connect all who're > > interested with GNU/Linux . I'm one who's trying and failing to > > understand install instructions even after following and advocating > > the movement for years. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SFD-discuss mailing list > > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is > believed to be clean. > > -- Disclaimer: By sending an email to any of my addresses you are agreeing that: 1. I am by definition, "the intended recipient" 2. All information in the email is mine to do with as I see fit and make such financial profit, political mileage, or good joke as it lends itself to. 3. I may take the contents as representing the views of your company. 4. This overrides any disclaimer or statement of confidentiality that may be included on your message.

Sept. 17, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] How do you setup GNU/Linux on an iMac G4 with Panther OS X 10.3.9 ?...

by Frederic Muller - SFI

Hi Don, I didn't want to hijack your other thread so I'm replying here. Some have already made very good recommendations, but having been through the same troubles I remember that I finished my installation at my local GNU/Linux User Group. I am lucky enough to have a strong group nearby and one guy took the machine home and fixed what was not working. Do you happen to have the same opportunity? SFD is not really a place for GNU/Linux support but if we can get you going I'm sure everyone will be happy. Thanks. Fred On 09/17/2010 03:58 AM, don warner saklad wrote: > How do you setup GNU/Linux on an iMac apple computer > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G4 with Panther OS X 10.3.9 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X_10.3 ?... > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

Sept. 17, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] It appears we haven't come up with an easy way to connect all who're interested with GNU/Linux .

by Frederic Muller - SFI

Hi! Taking your message within the context of your former post and installs problems I can sympathize. I too, have a PPC Macbook and it's running Linux. There were a few quirks during the installation, notably with the multimedia side of the machine. Now what SFD is focusing on, is about reaching out to non-users of Free Software, and that can start with running FOSS applications on their proprietary OS. So in some ways we should be explaining what is Software Freedom and why it matters, then wait for our audience to ask us what to do next (rather than "forcing" them to a most likely not successful GNU/Linux adventure). I believe a migration path should be as smooth as possible and people should do it because they understand and care, not because it's hype or gratis. I'm just wondering what are doing the 2-300 team leaders of last year? Have they already forgotten about Software Freedom, did they celebrate because of the free Sun or SFD stuff (and then what good is it to send stuff to people who only care when they are freebies)? I have a lot of questions on my mind and I'd like to hear what people think. Thanks. Fred On 09/17/2010 03:50 PM, don warner saklad wrote: > It appears we haven't come up with an easy way to connect all who're > interested with GNU/Linux . I'm one who's trying and failing to > understand install instructions even after following and advocating > the movement for years. > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

Sept. 17, 2010

It appears we haven't come up with an easy way to connect all who're interested with GNU/Linux .

by don warner saklad

It appears we haven't come up with an easy way to connect all who're interested with GNU/Linux . I'm one who's trying and failing to understand install instructions even after following and advocating the movement for years.

Sept. 17, 2010

Feedback requested

by Frederic Muller - SFI

Dear all, We've posted a blog post at http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/en/blog/139-6-years-of-sfd-maps which looks at the evolution of the numbers of SFD teams over the years. There are some important points addressed in the post and we would like to hear from you on the subject. you can either comment directly at the bottom of the article or reply on sfd-discuss list. I know you're all busy with the preparations, looking at my web counter I see I have 20h and 10min left to SFD (the counter is local now, and calculating SFD at Sept. 18th 9am). So you don't have to reply right now, but within a week would be nice. Thanks a lot and Happy SFD! Fred SFI Board

Sept. 17, 2010

Trisquel official version of 4.0 (normal, netinstall and mini)

by Jason Self

Netinstall, normal and mini (netbooks) for AMD and i686 are ready for download: http://cdimage.trisquel.info/trisquel-images/

Sept. 17, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] How do you setup GNU/Linux on an iMac G4 with Panther OS X 10.3.9 ?...

by Bruce Kingsbury

There are no 'official' PPC builds since 6.10, but there's still a community-supported one for every version up to 10.04; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCFAQ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPCDownloads Hint for the future; the first result if you google "ubuntu ppc" would have taken you right there. On 17 September 2010 09:10, Larry Cafiero <larry.cafiero(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Rob is right. The Ubuntu wiki is informative and Yellow Dog (now called > something else, but I can't remember what) is historically a PowerPC based > Linux version. > > <soapbox> Unfortunately, a lot of distros have dropped their PowerPC > versions, which IMHO is a huge mistake because most of the Apple machines > with PPC processors are still running and have very few Linux > options.</soapbox> > > You can find PPC versions of Debian, Fedora, OpenSUSE and Ubuntu at various > places. A good resource is the Oregon State Univeristy Open Source Lab's > mirrors at http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/ where you'll find a list of distros > but you'll have to go through the lists to find the PPC version of the iso > files to burn. > > For what it's worth, on the PowerPC machines in my office I'm running > Debian on a iMac G3 (my first Linux install four years ago) and just > installed Fedora 9 on a iMac G5. Both run great. > > Larry Cafiero > Redwood Digital Research > Felton California > home of SFD/Lindependence Felton 2010 > > PS -- Also, tech questions like this probably shouldn't be on this list, > and I apologize for answering the question. > > > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Rob Beard <rob(a)esdelle.co.uk> wrote: > >> On 16/09/10 20:58, don warner saklad wrote: >> > How do you setup GNU/Linux on an iMac apple computer >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G4 with Panther OS X 10.3.9 >> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X_10.3 ?... >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > SFD-discuss mailing list >> > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> >> It's been a long while, but IIRC you should be able to do it with >> something like YellowDog Linux (which I believe is a DVD) or an Ubuntu >> PowerPC version. I gather that PowerPC support has been dropped >> recently in Ubuntu but you might find that Ubuntu 8.04 PPC would do the >> job. >> >> When you have a disc (CD or DVD) burnt, restart the Mac with the disc in >> and hold down the C key. It *should* boot from the CD. I believe you >> press enter at the prompt (it'll be a black and white screen) and follow >> it from there (I think with Ubuntu it'll be the text installer). When >> it's installed it should boot into yaboot (which is like a PPC version >> of Lilo) and then you can choose to boot into Linux or if you've kept >> OSX installed alongside Linux you can boot into that too. >> >> This might give you some pointers to get started with: >> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPC >> >> and >> >> http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/support/downloads/ >> >> (the YellowDog page seems to mainly cover installing Linux on the PS3). >> >> Hope this helps. As I say it's been a while (good 4 or 5 years) since I >> installed it on my iMac G3 so my memory is a bit sketchy. >> >> Rob >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> > > > -- > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by *MailScanner* <http://www.mailscanner.info/>, and is > believed to be clean. > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > -- Disclaimer: By sending an email to any of my addresses you are agreeing that: 1. I am by definition, "the intended recipient" 2. All information in the email is mine to do with as I see fit and make such financial profit, political mileage, or good joke as it lends itself to. 3. I may take the contents as representing the views of your company. 4. This overrides any disclaimer or statement of confidentiality that may be included on your message.

Sept. 16, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] How do you setup GNU/Linux on an iMac G4 with Panther OS X 10.3.9 ?...

by Larry Cafiero

Rob is right. The Ubuntu wiki is informative and Yellow Dog (now called something else, but I can't remember what) is historically a PowerPC based Linux version. <soapbox> Unfortunately, a lot of distros have dropped their PowerPC versions, which IMHO is a huge mistake because most of the Apple machines with PPC processors are still running and have very few Linux options.</soapbox> You can find PPC versions of Debian, Fedora, OpenSUSE and Ubuntu at various places. A good resource is the Oregon State Univeristy Open Source Lab's mirrors at http://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/ where you'll find a list of distros but you'll have to go through the lists to find the PPC version of the iso files to burn. For what it's worth, on the PowerPC machines in my office I'm running Debian on a iMac G3 (my first Linux install four years ago) and just installed Fedora 9 on a iMac G5. Both run great. Larry Cafiero Redwood Digital Research Felton California home of SFD/Lindependence Felton 2010 PS -- Also, tech questions like this probably shouldn't be on this list, and I apologize for answering the question. On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Rob Beard <rob(a)esdelle.co.uk> wrote: > On 16/09/10 20:58, don warner saklad wrote: > > How do you setup GNU/Linux on an iMac apple computer > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G4 with Panther OS X 10.3.9 > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X_10.3 ?... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > SFD-discuss mailing list > > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > It's been a long while, but IIRC you should be able to do it with > something like YellowDog Linux (which I believe is a DVD) or an Ubuntu > PowerPC version. I gather that PowerPC support has been dropped > recently in Ubuntu but you might find that Ubuntu 8.04 PPC would do the > job. > > When you have a disc (CD or DVD) burnt, restart the Mac with the disc in > and hold down the C key. It *should* boot from the CD. I believe you > press enter at the prompt (it'll be a black and white screen) and follow > it from there (I think with Ubuntu it'll be the text installer). When > it's installed it should boot into yaboot (which is like a PPC version > of Lilo) and then you can choose to boot into Linux or if you've kept > OSX installed alongside Linux you can boot into that too. > > This might give you some pointers to get started with: > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPC > > and > > http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/support/downloads/ > > (the YellowDog page seems to mainly cover installing Linux on the PS3). > > Hope this helps. As I say it's been a while (good 4 or 5 years) since I > installed it on my iMac G3 so my memory is a bit sketchy. > > Rob > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

Sept. 16, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] How do you setup GNU/Linux on an iMac G4 with Panther OS X 10.3.9 ?...

by Rob Beard

On 16/09/10 20:58, don warner saklad wrote: > How do you setup GNU/Linux on an iMac apple computer > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G4 with Panther OS X 10.3.9 > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X_10.3 ?... > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss It's been a long while, but IIRC you should be able to do it with something like YellowDog Linux (which I believe is a DVD) or an Ubuntu PowerPC version. I gather that PowerPC support has been dropped recently in Ubuntu but you might find that Ubuntu 8.04 PPC would do the job. When you have a disc (CD or DVD) burnt, restart the Mac with the disc in and hold down the C key. It *should* boot from the CD. I believe you press enter at the prompt (it'll be a black and white screen) and follow it from there (I think with Ubuntu it'll be the text installer). When it's installed it should boot into yaboot (which is like a PPC version of Lilo) and then you can choose to boot into Linux or if you've kept OSX installed alongside Linux you can boot into that too. This might give you some pointers to get started with: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPC and http://www.yellowdoglinux.com/support/downloads/ (the YellowDog page seems to mainly cover installing Linux on the PS3). Hope this helps. As I say it's been a while (good 4 or 5 years) since I installed it on my iMac G3 so my memory is a bit sketchy. Rob

Sept. 16, 2010