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Re: [SFD-discuss] [Info] Swatantra Education DVD

by Manmohan Brahma

Dear Mr. Fred, It's very fine for alerting me regarding the releases. I would like to say that if we will look at the OpenDisc contents then it satisfies a particular community . In daily life we are coming across a lot of Open Source tools that are not so very popular but can perform powerful operation. Our basic target is to add new contents to satisfy a large mass. Further i would be very much happy if you will put me in touch with Chris. And regarding contributions - > I would like to say you that "My Students to whom i am educating FOSS are very new to programming and are really working very hard , starting from Morning 07:00 AM to 02:00 PM or more to check the latest version , license info , file size , prop alternative . . . to get a change." -- I am not claiming credit for a existing one but giving a source for inspiration. I further like you to talk with Mr. Thilo Pfennig to clarify regarding our conversation over night regarding license. Hope you believe. Regards, Manmohan On 8/1/10, Frederic Muller - SFI <fred(a)softwarefreedomday.org> wrote: > Dear Manmohan, > > Actually you're looking at the wrong place. Latest release is from May 3rd > 2010 which is 3 months ago, and the one before was in March 2010 and then > February before that. So that's quite an active project if you ask me. > > For having emailed Chris (the project lead) in the past, I know he is very > responsive and maybe getting in touch with him would help rather than start > your copy of the same... > > Now you seems to have inherited something... this feels strange to me, as > the Open Disc project was started around 2003/4 and sponsored by Canonical > at the time and no one really mentioned their names or contributions. You > seem to be claiming contributions about somethings that already exist and > claiming credits for it. That's not very nice. > > A different perspective to your story. > > Fred > > On 08/01/2010 10:25 PM, Manmohan Brahma wrote: >> >> Dear Mr. Fred, >> >> Thanks for your view towards the project. >> >> I do accept that the project is very much similar to that of OpenDisc but >> i would like you to refer the url >> http://opendisc.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/opendisc/Kiwix/OpenDisc/ . >> >> This clearly depicts that it has not been updated from 21 months. >> >> I hope that it's quite a large period. >> >> " Why don't we contribute back to the Open Disc[1] project rather than >> make a new one that is very similar to the original one? I'm a bit >> puzzled. " >> >> I have inherited the entire framework from this project. In fact the >> ideas. Thank to all those people who have did this. >> >> Those who did some thing will always remain wid us and as an addon i >> adding my team and the supporters contributions. >> >> We are also having a page for the Credits . This will contain all those >> who did it + the new contributors. >> >> And regarding the name Swatantra , people have asked me over the IRC wat >> name i wana give to this project when i have shared this idea during a >> discussion. As a tribute to my nation i told as "Swatantra" - which means >> Independent. >> >> This is our forum and our software freedom day ! I would like you all to >> suggest the new team as what the best possible. I want that you all >> people should feel that this should be a product from the Software Freedom >> International to celebrate and enjoy the Happy Software Freedom Day 2010 ! >> >> Regards, >> >> Manmohan Brahma >> Open Source Enthusiast , India >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Info mailing list >> Info(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/info >> -- Manmohan Brahma House No : SMN/188 Swarnamayee Nagar Berhampur[Gm] Orissa – 760001 India Ph no. +91-9778503780 manmohan.brahma(a)gmail.com http://www.brahmainformatics.page.tl

Aug. 1, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] [Info] Swatantra Education DVD

by Frederic Muller - SFI

Aug. 1, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] Swatantra Education DVD

by Manmohan Brahma

Dear Mr. Fred, Thanks for your view towards the project. I do accept that the project is very much similar to that of OpenDisc but i would like you to refer the url http://opendisc.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/opendisc/Kiwix/OpenDisc/ . *This clearly depicts that it has not been updated from 21 months.* I hope that it's quite a large period. " Why don't we contribute back to the Open Disc[1] project rather than make a new one that is very similar to the original one? I'm a bit puzzled. " I have inherited the entire framework from this project. In fact the ideas. Thank to all those people who have did this. Those who did some thing will always remain wid us and as an addon i adding my team and the supporters contributions. We are also having a page for the Credits . This will contain all those who did it + the new contributors. And regarding the name Swatantra , people have asked me over the IRC wat name i wana give to this project when i have shared this idea during a discussion. As a tribute to my nation i told as "*Swatantra*" - which means Independent. This is our forum and our software freedom day ! I would like you all to suggest the new team as what the best possible. I want that you all people should feel that this should be a product from the Software Freedom International to celebrate and enjoy the Happy Software Freedom Day 2010 ! Regards, Manmohan Brahma Open Source Enthusiast , India

Aug. 1, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] Swatantra Education DVD

by Lars Nooden

On 08/01/2010 12:53 PM, Thilo Pfennig wrote: > http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Swatantra > He likes to ask us all to add, modify or comment on the list. Nice idea. The स्वतन्त्र DVD could be a thumb drive or usb stick, too, since those are commonly available in 4GB+ sizes. What is the target audience? + It might be useful to avoid the M-word. The center of attention should be on the FOSS tools or at least the generic, general activity. The generic activity can be listed instead of specific proprietary brands, for example, "productivity software" or "office suite" Second, the FOSS tools should be approached as fine tools in and of themselves, so it is important to avoid framing them as copies or analogues since many actually came first. + The ala carte model common in computing might be a new or foreign concept needing introduction. Lego blocks are a common metaphor, at least for certain generations in some regions, but there might be something else appropriate for India, which has a much older, established culture. + Since there can be many choices, pick one from each category and then mention the others. As usual it is a matter of picking the right tool for the job. + Berkeley DB and Sqlite are not really equivalent, since Sqlite is sql (ISO/IEC 9075) and Berkeley DB is a hash table (or something like that). Berkeley DB used to be FOSS and though I can't get to the source from Oracle's site, Oracle still seems to imply that it remains FOSS via dual license: http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/berkeley-db/htdocs/licen… + Of the databases, there is a hierarchical database language M aka MUMPS aka ISO/IEC 15852:1999, which has several implementations and is useful: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mumps/ http://sourceforge.net/projects/fis-gtm/ http://71.174.62.16/MDC/ The FIS implementation, GT.M, has a VM 'toaster' for those still plagued by legacy systems. (GT.M might have a blob, though) + The plug-ins and add-ons for Thunderbird and Firefox could be highlighted. Again, here the ala carte nature of computing. Maybe pick three of each to describe and then mention how to search through the others. + There should be "advertisements" for some of the major desktop distros and live CDs ( Knoppix, Fedora, Kubuntu, Haiku ) to encourage people do download and try them. + There should be "advertisements" for nice desktop environments and window managers. An important concept is the ability to customize the desktop environment or plain window manager to suite local needs. A lot of must-have features like virtual desktops, multiscreen and multi-seat are unknown to Windows victims. + There should be an "advertisement" for WINE. It is not an emulator, but an implementation of the Windows API which may allow users to upgrade to a good system while still keeping legacy applications available until they can be replaced. + FileZilla probably belongs up in the 'Communication' section, since it is an all around tool for file transfer. + Bluefish could be added somewhere, either in development because it does a lot or in web design where it's used a lot. When I've asked beginners, they've preferred it over Quanta or Kompozer. http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/ + R Project (science and engineering) is *big* among statisticians and professionals working intensively with statistics. Even the big proprietary names like SAS and SPSS are providing hooks to the R programming language. http://www.r-project.org/ + Perl and CPAN. Since python is mentioned, perl could be too. It is the glue that holds the net together. http://www.cpan.org/ + Cytoscape (science and engineering) is a java-based tool for network analysis to visualize interaction networks and pathways and integrate networks with annotations. It was developed for bioinformatics and molecular interaction but useful in other visualization tasks and the core functionality is expandible through plugins. http://www.cytoscape.org/ + Fritzing (science and engineering) is Electronic Design Automation software, even developed a University just like all other cutting edge software. IMHO better than Kicad. http://fritzing.org/ + Koffice has a lot of great tools, and supports OpenDocument Format. Kexi (database) is one that users of old systems might find convenient. Kplato (project management) is another. http://wiki.koffice.org/ + A point of information: Go OpenOffice is a fork of OpenOffice.org and not the same as OpenOffice.org The reason for the fork was the inclusion of some controversial items and licensing. Either way, the important item is support for the OpenDocument Format. http://www.openoffice.org/ http://www.go-oo.org/ + VirtualBox and Qemu are good VMs, useful for development. The proprietary product it is compared to is so bad that comparing VirtualBox to it implies that VirtualBox is not any good either. http://www.virtualbox.org/ http://wiki.qemu.org/ + Zim, Basket and Knotes are good for notes and can be listed with Office & Design + Digikam is quite nice for managing digital photos. http://www.digikam.org/ ---- Again about the target audience and goals. There is some mention of server tools, but that might be too big a leap for most Windows users, and the focus could or should be on the desktop. Be that as it may, if they are looking to get rid of any Windows servers, then + 389 Directory Server is a good open source directory server for those that need help setting up Kerberos and LDAP. http://directory.fedoraproject.org/ + OpenCMS uses Java and could be listed in the CMS section. Nuxeo, Lenya and MainPyrus are also used. + Mail can be provided by Postfix, Exim, Dovecot. Mailing lists with searchable archives via Simpa and GNU Mailman. + Bedework is a standards-compliant enterprise calendar server designed in particular for higher education. http://www.bedework.org/ + Kolab and Citadel are standards-based groupware servers, built out of smaller, commodity components. Citadel is fully GPLv3. Kolab is the product of a series of contracts for the federal office for Security in the Information Technology in the German Government. http://www.kolab.org/ http://www.citadel.org/ + LTSP and K12LTSP would be suitable for many work or school environments. + SE Linux, AppArmor, and systrace are worth mentioning for *production* severs, not devel. regards /Lars

Aug. 1, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] Swatantra Education DVD

by Frederic Muller - SFI

Aug. 1, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] Swatantra Education DVD

by C David Rigby

On Sunday 01,August,2010 05:53 PM, Thilo Pfennig wrote: > Hi, > > our friend from India Manmohan Brahma has nearly finished a list of > software that the DVD they want to produce: > > http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Swatantra > > > He likes to ask us all to add, modify or comment on the list. > > Regards, > Thilo > Dia for diagramming: http://dia-installer.de/index_en.html

Aug. 1, 2010

Swatantra Education DVD

by Thilo Pfennig

Hi, our friend from India Manmohan Brahma has nearly finished a list of software that the DVD they want to produce: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Swatantra He likes to ask us all to add, modify or comment on the list. Regards, Thilo -- Software Freedom International http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/ThiloPfennig Software Freedom Day 2010 in preparation!

Aug. 1, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] Java distribution on Windows

by Lars Nooden

Java was released under the GPL license back in 2006 http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS3337915997.html > We have read many statements of Oracle and as far as we understand > it it looks like they do not want and redistribution. Again, Java has been available under the GPL since 2006. So if Oracle has changed the licensing, there should be a community discussion. It could be that as with any other corporate (read ossified) organization, the various pieces need time to catch up with each other and synchronize. Usually, the OSI tries to keep on top of licensing, so there may be someone there that can provide advice if Oracle representatives cannot say. > what is your take on the distribution of Java from Orcale on Windows? Since you ask, the answer to that question, is that Windows is inappropriate for development work and even hobby programming and that there is no context -- ever -- where it would be other than a waste of time and resources. In that context, those interested in Java or any other language should be encouraged to stay on Linux, BSD, Solaris or even OS X. If they are not already doing so. While it may be fun to joke about interoperability not being a priority [1] of the makers of Windows, it is not helpful unless it leads directly to avoiding Windows completely. The barrier that Windows and Windows admins raise to third party software is a very large and persistent obstacle to introducing Free and Open Source Software. It is beyond the scope of what we can solve before 18 Sep 2010. Keeping people on Windows is, IMHO, not just keeping them unproductive, but part of the method used to prevent learning and using FOSS. Other distros do not have the enormous, artificial barriers, both technical and behavioral, to using third party tools like Java. I would instead suggest a live CD or thumbdrive distro or Wubi-based kit or remix oriented towards programming and development. If you can get people in the habit of trying other systems, then they may start to do so on their own and help others do so. /Lars [1] http://jz10.java.no/java-4-ever-trailer.html [2] http://www.sun.com/lawsuit/summary.html US District Court for the District of Maryland, Baltimore, ruling granting Sun's motions, Dec. 23, 2002 http://www.sun.com/lawsuit/sun_v_microsoft_opinion.pdf Court Order re the Injunctions, January 21, 2003 http://www.sun.com/lawsuit/121order.pdf

Aug. 1, 2010

Java distribution on Windows

by Thilo Pfennig

Hi, what is your take on the distribution of Java from Orcale on Windows? Is it possible to burn CDs, copy the official release and redistribute it? Or: Can anybody recommend another Windows Java version which works allright? We have read many statements of Oracle and as far as we understand it it looks like they do not want and redistribution. Like http://www.java.com/en/download/license.jsp Any comments that help welcome, Thilo -- Software Freedom International http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/ThiloPfennig Software Freedom Day 2010 in preparation!

Aug. 1, 2010