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Re: [SFD-discuss] Continents

by Peter Eisinger

El 26/07/2010 13:35, Frederic Muller - SFI escribió: > > On 07/27/2010 12:06 AM, Peter Eisinger wrote: >> [...] >> To avoid (now) more confusions (people of center américa and >> surroundings, they are not identified with north america)... >> >> Something very simple: Alone to clarify in >> >> http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010 >> North America (Mexico, USA,...) >> to: >> >> North America (Mexico, USA, Center America,..) >> >> >> Can he make it? >> > Any change in URL structure is an issue and extra workload. Not link change only text in wikipage: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010 >> North America (Mexico, USA, Center America,..) is it a lot to request?

July 26, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2010 registration is OPEN!!!

by Frederic Muller - SFI

some precisions below: On 07/26/2010 11:51 PM, shirish शिरीष wrote: > > The map is good, but not good enough till it doesn't know from where you are. > > But you, so you can zoom in with your mouse wheel or by clicking and dragging the map. You get to see exactly how many events are happening around your place to a precision any listing cannot give you (if you have 10 events in the same city, the listing is definitely not useful). You also have to consider that right now we have about "only" 200 teams registered, but by mid September when people (visitors) are going to look for an event we will have somewhere between 800 and 1000 teams (I hope at least). A page with 100 lines is not useful neither (i'm taking 100 lines considering how fast Indian teams are registering. With this kind of popularity it could as well be more. China had 86 teams last year FWIW). >> 2. You can edit the country page to list all the teams pages under India >> (if you cannot, I can... ;-) ) >> > True but it shouldn't be needed. What I was talking about is having > some kind of automation. On mediawiki this happens automatically. > For the reason stated above we believe it should be automatic but a decision from each teams/country. This is a wiki and you can edit it by yourself. You can create a template for your country and make sure people use it. We're a community and you can make decisions for your area. Based on the issues we're having this year (maintenance wise for example) and what people do with the wiki, we'll built next year system to incorporate those necessary features. > <snipped> > > >> I don't understand this point. The Bangalore page can be accessed by >> going directly to (without the extra highlight parameters): >> http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/Asia/India/Bangalore >> > Yup. For some reason it didn't work that day. Now it does. Glad you got your two issues working. Fred

July 26, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] Continents

by Frederic Muller - SFI

On 07/27/2010 12:06 AM, Peter Eisinger wrote: > [...] >> So what we can assure you is that next year we will be modifying the >> team page structure to take your comments into consideration. We don't >> have a clear plan yet, and maybe might not have Countries at all (we >> could use tags for example (even if team leader tends to delete them... >> ;-) ) ). Quiliro, one of our board member from Ecuador will make sure of >> that, Thilo our wiki Guru as well. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Fred >> SFI President >> > > According to link of Thilo to wikpedia, he was based in > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent#Number_of_continents > > Where it shows 5 ways of distinguishing the continents. > 3 of them with America like continent without divisions. > > > As well as they made the exception Australia (continent) vs Oceania > (region), we think something it could be made similar contemplating the > 3 regions or sub-continents in that the American continent is divided. > Undoubtedly the time passes and it is already inviable. It is understood. > > > To avoid (now) more confusions (people of center américa and > surroundings, they are not identified with north america)... > > Something very simple: Alone to clarify in > > http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010 > North America (Mexico, USES,...) > to: > > North America (Mexico, USES, Center America,..) > > > Can he make it? > Any change in URL structure is an issue and extra workload. I myself find surprising to see Indonesia in Oceania, and I noticed a few Indonesian team leaders as well but they didn't make an issue out of it. So no modification in the current classification. All our efforts and time is spent on preparing SFD 2010. > > Next year. > As starting from this year the wiki add a historical one: > http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/ > http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/201x > > Do they really plan to make some change? As unifying America to 1 continent? > I already answered that question in my email. The topic is closed on our side and we prefer (we wish we had more time, more resources and much more things) to focus on SFD preparation. We will look again into 2011 preparation early 2011. Thank you. Fred

July 26, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] Continents

by Peter Eisinger

El 26/07/2010 11:36, Frederic Muller - SFI escribió: > > On 07/23/2010 04:21 PM, Peter Eisinger wrote: >> El 23/07/2010 4:49, Thilo Pfennig escribió:[...] >> >> Thilo, >> >> I understand that this year there is a lot of work. >> >> Alone we hope for the 2011 we can have America like 1 single continent. >> >> Thank you for so good work in the wiki. >> >> Regards, >> Peter >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> >> > Dear Peter and friends from Central America, > > As discussed we raised the issue on our board meeting yesterday and we > all agreed that it's unfortunate we cannot give you the space you would > like to have. We based our continent split on Wikipedia list and the > widely accepted definition of continents without looking at what we had > on the previous wiki for years. It turns out that for many reasons we > could not easily upgrade the old wiki and we started from scratch (not > looking back). > > Modifying the current structure would bring a lot of extra load on our > admins who are already very busy. We believe we should all focus on > getting up to speed for SFD 2010 and live with this little problem. > We're all learning from this year new structure (like we have a separate > www site and are planing for more - the back log is long). > > So what we can assure you is that next year we will be modifying the > team page structure to take your comments into consideration. We don't > have a clear plan yet, and maybe might not have Countries at all (we > could use tags for example (even if team leader tends to delete them... > ;-) ) ). Quiliro, one of our board member from Ecuador will make sure of > that, Thilo our wiki Guru as well. > > Thank you. > > Fred > SFI President According to link of Thilo to wikpedia, he was based in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continent#Number_of_continents Where it shows 5 ways of distinguishing the continents. 3 of them with America like continent without divisions. As well as they made the exception Australia (continent) vs Oceania (region), we think something it could be made similar contemplating the 3 regions or sub-continents in that the American continent is divided. Undoubtedly the time passes and it is already inviable. It is understood. To avoid (now) more confusions (people of center américa and surroundings, they are not identified with north america)... Something very simple: Alone to clarify in http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010 North America (Mexico, USES,...) to: North America (Mexico, USES, Center America,..) Can he make it? Next year. As starting from this year the wiki add a historical one: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/ http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/201x Do they really plan to make some change? As unifying America to 1 continent? > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > -- Cordiales saludos, Peter Eisinger http://PreguntasLinux.Org Comunidad de Software Libre Foro GNU/Linux/FOSS/*NIX Support Installfest FLISoL SFD http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/global/preguntaslinux FLISOL 2011 Sáb 9 de Abril http://flisol.info http://www.mail-archive.com/flisol@listas.el-directorio.org/maillist.html

July 26, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2010 registration is OPEN!!!

by shirish शिरीष

In-line :- On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 20:32, Frederic Muller - SFI <fred(a)softwarefreedomday.org> wrote: > Ok i'll reply inline too.. <snipped> > Due to less sponsors this year (still working on it, but some will only > give their response next month - so too late to be able to ship) we > cannot ship the T-shirts, etc. SFD has also been in the red being > supported in part by former and current presidents. We believe it is > time for us to spend less than what we can collect. > > Hopefully we'll be able to get more sponsors and make up with better > gifts for the competition (2009 & 2010) Right. understood. <snipped> > There are 2 ways: > 1. the map @ http://cgi.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/map.shtml > you get an instant visual representation of how many teams are already > registered. The link is at the top of the registration form as well and > tells people to check before registering. The map is good, but not good enough till it doesn't know from where you are. > 2. You can edit the country page to list all the teams pages under India > (if you cannot, I can... ;-) ) True but it shouldn't be needed. What I was talking about is having some kind of automation. On mediawiki this happens automatically. <snipped> > I don't understand this point. The Bangalore page can be accessed by > going directly to (without the extra highlight parameters): > http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/Asia/India/Bangalore Yup. For some reason it didn't work that day. Now it does. > and actually > http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/Asia/India/Bangalore#teams takes > you to the Teams section on that page. So what is not working on your > side? (the page being rather short, it stays within the screen though, > that's a browser behavior). ah ok. I tried it now with http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/Europe/Germany/Berlin#Teams and it works, apologies the issue as rightly pointed out is a browser issue. > Thanks. > > Looking forward for your replies. > > Fred -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal शिरीष अग्रवाल My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17

July 26, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] Continents

by Frederic Muller - SFI

On 07/23/2010 04:21 PM, Peter Eisinger wrote: > El 23/07/2010 4:49, Thilo Pfennig escribió:[...] > > Thilo, > > I understand that this year there is a lot of work. > > Alone we hope for the 2011 we can have America like 1 single continent. > > Thank you for so good work in the wiki. > > Regards, > Peter > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > Dear Peter and friends from Central America, As discussed we raised the issue on our board meeting yesterday and we all agreed that it's unfortunate we cannot give you the space you would like to have. We based our continent split on Wikipedia list and the widely accepted definition of continents without looking at what we had on the previous wiki for years. It turns out that for many reasons we could not easily upgrade the old wiki and we started from scratch (not looking back). Modifying the current structure would bring a lot of extra load on our admins who are already very busy. We believe we should all focus on getting up to speed for SFD 2010 and live with this little problem. We're all learning from this year new structure (like we have a separate www site and are planing for more - the back log is long). So what we can assure you is that next year we will be modifying the team page structure to take your comments into consideration. We don't have a clear plan yet, and maybe might not have Countries at all (we could use tags for example (even if team leader tends to delete them... ;-) ) ). Quiliro, one of our board member from Ecuador will make sure of that, Thilo our wiki Guru as well. Thank you. Fred SFI President

July 26, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2010 registration is OPEN!!!

by Frederic Muller - SFI

Ok i'll reply inline too.. On 07/25/2010 09:28 PM, shirish शिरीष wrote: > In-line :- > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 21:53, Frederic Muller - SFI > <fred(a)softwarefreedomday.org> wrote: > > <snipped> > > >> The URL is wrong. wiki page should have year (2010) and continent (Asia) >> then country (India) and then your city etc... >> > Right. Corrected and registered. > > >> There is a good guide to follow here: >> http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/CreateYourTeampage >> > Looked at it. Looks good. > > Btw this time the schwag is limited to just CD's, what happened to the > T-shirts, labels etc? > Due to less sponsors this year (still working on it, but some will only give their response next month - so too late to be able to ship) we cannot ship the T-shirts, etc. SFD has also been in the red being supported in part by former and current presidents. We believe it is time for us to spend less than what we can collect. Hopefully we'll be able to get more sponsors and make up with better gifts for the competition (2009 & 2010) > I can't find any relevant discussions on the same. > > Another thing there doesn't seem to be anyway to know how many cities > have how many events or/and how many cities in a country are hosting > events. > > For e.g. if I look at > http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/Asia/India/ as I'm interested > to know how many events are being held in each city (19 at today's > count) there's no way to know that. Can something be done about that > so it renders/comes something as an e.g. :- > There are 2 ways: 1. the map @ http://cgi.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/map.shtml you get an instant visual representation of how many teams are already registered. The link is at the top of the registration form as well and tells people to check before registering. 2. You can edit the country page to list all the teams pages under India (if you cannot, I can... ;-) ) > 3. 2010/Asia/India/Bangalore (2) > > Some sort of script which takes > http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/Asia/India/Bangalore?highlight=%28\… > > and sorts of finds entries below the Teams page. Although it would > have been lot better if it spelled like > > http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/Asia/India/Bangalore#Teams or > something similar like that. > > That itself should have been talked about in the Create Team page > I don't understand this point. The Bangalore page can be accessed by going directly to (without the extra highlight parameters): http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/Asia/India/Bangalore and actually http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/Asia/India/Bangalore#teams takes you to the Teams section on that page. So what is not working on your side? (the page being rather short, it stays within the screen though, that's a browser behavior). Thanks. Looking forward for your replies. Fred

July 25, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-discuss Digest, Vol 42, Issue 24

by moataz.sharawy＠gmail.com

Hi All, I see that the forum idea is very well to make the SFD more interact with FOSS users, but what about Professional network to make more interaction and support events to be visible to the people form all the over the world, below is my suggest features which will help all SFD supporters and members to interact together: Below is a contribution offer by my Organization "Ofok NGO<http://www.ofokngo.org>" volunteers team, which we can establish the beta version of this network and open for membership in 4 weeks *Suggest Professional Network features:* *1- Two Profile type* (Individual and Organization) *2- Personal Blogs: *have your very own blog, post entries directly from your profile page, and share those blog posts with friends *4- Working Groups* “Roundtables for SFD teams to increase the awareness about SFD and invite more volunteers” GROUPS allow like-minded members to build their own mini-communities, made up of members who share their same interests. It allows users to… ·Create and join groups ·Create group discussion ·Create Photo Albums, Videos ·Post on group walls ·Group owner can publish news bulletin ·Admin can control group membership and access *Example* *SFD by teams or countries “SFD US, SFD Egypt, SFD China etc…”* *5- Event Management “To promote events by teams or countries”* Members can create and manage events easily. It will display map as required with zero configuration. You can define how many "seats" available for the event, which allows you to limit event participants. ·Intelligent map support. If the event location is a valid address, a Google map will be automatically displayed. there is no configuration needed for the map. ·You can define how many "seats" available for the event, which allow you to limit event participants. ·We make it easy for you to invite your friends and allow other event guest to invite their friends. ·Export the event to iCal format or print it away nicely ·Send email to all event participants, perhaps to remind them about the event dress-code or notify them of last minute changes. * * *6- Interactive Photo & Video Galleries “To share events activities”* • Upload videos directly to your community or embed videos from 3rd party video sharing sites. Video-posting capabilities are even built right into community.... • Share videos, photos, group bulletins and discussions with all the major social bookmarking services as well as social networks. • Create, comment on & share interactive photo galleries with online friends. • Members can "tag" their friends in any of their photos. *7- Private messaging system* *8- Profile Twitter feed and Flickr photo galleries* * * *Other Features* *Polls and surveys* *Open Source Glossary* *Network Guidelines* *iPhone & Mobile Friendly Site* *Social Tools for Interaction “Twitter, Facebook, Youtube channel, LinkedIn” * On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 2:00 PM, <sfd-discuss-request(a)sf-day.org> wrote: > Send SFD-discuss mailing list submissions to > sfd-discuss(a)sf-day.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sfd-discuss-request(a)sf-day.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sfd-discuss-owner(a)sf-day.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SFD-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Forum (Ivan Shmakov) > 2. Re: Forum (Frederic Muller - SFI) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 13:32:34 +0700 > From: Ivan Shmakov <ivan(a)main.uusia.org> > Subject: Re: [SFD-discuss] Forum > To: Open discussions about SFD <sfd-discuss(a)sf-day.org> > Message-ID: <87mxtgul4t.fsf(a)violet.siamics.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > >>>>> Frederic Muller - SFI <fred(a)softwarefreedomday.org> writes: > >>>>> On 07/25/2010 06:03 AM, Cat Scratch wrote: > >>>>> On Sat, 2010-07-24 at 15:42 +0800, Frederic Muller - SFI wrote: > > >>> We've been considering a move to using a forum as our main > >>> discussion platform > > >> I really don't like using web forums. > > [?] > > >> I understand some people do prefer web forums, but I don't think you > >> should disengage those of us who prefer mailing lists. > > > The situation is that today the mailing list(s) is limiting us in the > > way we interact with our audience. > > [?] > > > Modern forum software allow you to RSS feed and get all the latest > > posts well organized (no need to use your web browser - even though I > > am sure we all have one open all day long), you can subscribe to > > threads and receive emails notification, some even allow you to send > > emails to post to the forum. > > ? And I'd like to note that Gmane supports RSS, too. > > [?] > > > I'm uncertain of the benefits of keeping both a mailing list and have > > a forum. The way to ask question becomes unclear and might confuse > > users (maybe it's just a matter of presentation only), however we > > might also go along that road based on the community feedback. > > That's why Gmane may be of interest: it offers a forum- and a > blog-like Web-interface for a mailing list. In particular, the > messages posted via the Web interface are instantly available to > the mailing list subscribers and vice versa [2]. No separation > between the two, and no confusion, either. > > So, why not just to fill the form at [2] and let the community > test the usability? Won't it prove to be worthwhile, the things > could be undone pretty easily. > > [?] > > [1] http://gmane.org/post.php > [2] http://gmane.org/subscribe.php > > -- > FSF associate member #7257 >

July 25, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD 2010 registration is OPEN!!!

by shirish शिरीष

In-line :- On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 21:53, Frederic Muller - SFI <fred(a)softwarefreedomday.org> wrote: <snipped> > The URL is wrong. wiki page should have year (2010) and continent (Asia) > then country (India) and then your city etc... Right. Corrected and registered. > There is a good guide to follow here: > http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/CreateYourTeampage Looked at it. Looks good. Btw this time the schwag is limited to just CD's, what happened to the T-shirts, labels etc? I can't find any relevant discussions on the same. Another thing there doesn't seem to be anyway to know how many cities have how many events or/and how many cities in a country are hosting events. For e.g. if I look at http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/Asia/India/ as I'm interested to know how many events are being held in each city (19 at today's count) there's no way to know that. Can something be done about that so it renders/comes something as an e.g. :- 3. 2010/Asia/India/Bangalore (2) Some sort of script which takes http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/Asia/India/Bangalore?highlight=%28\… and sorts of finds entries below the Teams page. Although it would have been lot better if it spelled like http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/2010/Asia/India/Bangalore#Teams or something similar like that. That itself should have been talked about in the Create Team page > Hope that helps. > > Fred Just my 2 paise. -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal शिरीष अग्रवाल My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17

July 25, 2010

Re: [SFD-discuss] Forum

by Lars Nooden

On 07/24/2010 10:42 AM, Frederic Muller - SFI wrote: > Dear all, > > We've been considering a move to using a forum > as our main discussion > platform based on the following reasons: > - More open and visible > - Searchable The archiving software for the mailing lists should handle those two points. What did you have in mind in regards to more open and visible? Does the archive need an RSS feed or clicky links to social networking sites? The archive is already searchable. Perhaps more prominent advertisement of the URL to the archive might be in order in the list's footer or on the wiki or other web pages. http://mail.sf-day.org/pipermail/sfd-discuss/ Mailman is nice software and there might be a way to activate the List-Archive header for mail sent by the list: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4021#section-2.1.31 > - Mailing list are usually for developers. Our community is definitely > not developers oriented There are a great many people who are not developers and use e-mail. If an individual list is a problem, how about a mailing list for non-developers? > - Better for search engines indexing Again, that's dependent on the mailing list archive software. > - More pleasant to read Conversely, no choice in client. With mail, there is a very wide choice of clients and filtering and sorting capabilities. > - And you get to add a little icon for yourself ;-) x-face used to be standard in most mail clients (a loooong time ago). It might still be available, and/or there might be other options nowadays. I see in Thunderbird, the 'Display Contact Photo' add-on using the X-Face or Face header. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/thunderbird/addon/58034/ http://nntp.gnus.org/circus/face/ > Since you'll be using it, I wanted to get a initial feedback of what > (FOSS) software you believe would suit that purpose. Personally, I am very tired of forums because they are so inflexible and usually difficult to follow. Usenet without either Spam or Astroturfers would be near ideal. > We've been looking > in PhpBB but are definitely open for anything else that does the job and > is Free Software. A gateway would be nice. Messages posed in the mailing list should turn up in the forum, the messages in the forum in the list. Gateways used to be de rigeur, and useful enough to be worth keeping. Ivan mentioned GMANE, perhaps that would meet the need. Since it uses NNTP, one is not limited to the web UI it provides. There is a lot of forum software out there, so PHP can be successfully dodged. Most PHP software has to be re-written to get closer to practical security. If we go the forum route, let's look outside PHP. There are overly fancy tools, like Sakai, and very old, simple ones like COW. No matter which forum is used, a lot of time will be spent adjusting it and then, after that, on maintenance. Forums require a lot of maintenance, including technical maintenance and should time be spend maintaining infrastructure or helping people get the idea of Freedom? It's not an either-or dilemma but each person does have only 24hrs per day and not all hours and days are equal. Regards, /Lars

July 25, 2010