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Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Shashi

Thanks a lot Janet... Thats a whole lot of invaluable suggestions i got today I updated my WIKI just now.... I'm posting the whole thing (this conversation) on the uncorkers protected blog which is automatically emailed to all the members.... If anyone outthere wants to joun us youcan drop a mail at uncorkers(a)gmail.com We are only 4 right now all are indians we need worldwide participation... It'd be better if our team is made a global team can anyone tell me how to make a team global...??? On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hey I really don't know what a sponsor means... I am thinking of >> putting fsf as the sponsor (only sponsor) for the college fest... I >> mean just tell me if i can do it and are sponsors the ones who funds >> an act (always?)... > > Perhaps the best thing to do is to write up exactly what you are aiming to do > post the images and all on the wiki. > eg > > > Internet cafe. > Get approval from cafe owner to include software on the computers > which can be downloaded to people's usb drives. > Ask for permission to have the start page of the browser launch on a > page which has something funky about Software Freedom Day and > a link they can click to download the software to their usb drive. > Perhaps this is what youre suggesting. > I think its just describing it as hacking which is giving me problems > because even > though we know that hacking can be what we call writing code, when > youre using it in a context where it is moving code from one person's > space to another it tends to sound more like cracking. > We need to be careful to avoid that kind of impression for an > international event. > Sorry if this is disappointing but I think you have much to offer for > the event and > no need to risk it =) > Janet > > That way people can think through exactly what youre suggesting. > We do have to be very careful about what we do with Software Freedom > especially on an international event =) > > I think if you could do a display about the kind of work youre doing > to promote linux in education that could be good too. > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > -- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Janet Hawtin

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hey I really don't know what a sponsor means... I am thinking of > putting fsf as the sponsor (only sponsor) for the college fest... I > mean just tell me if i can do it and are sponsors the ones who funds > an act (always?)... Perhaps the best thing to do is to write up exactly what you are aiming to do post the images and all on the wiki. eg Internet cafe. Get approval from cafe owner to include software on the computers which can be downloaded to people's usb drives. Ask for permission to have the start page of the browser launch on a page which has something funky about Software Freedom Day and a link they can click to download the software to their usb drive. Perhaps this is what youre suggesting. I think its just describing it as hacking which is giving me problems because even though we know that hacking can be what we call writing code, when youre using it in a context where it is moving code from one person's space to another it tends to sound more like cracking. We need to be careful to avoid that kind of impression for an international event. Sorry if this is disappointing but I think you have much to offer for the event and no need to risk it =) Janet That way people can think through exactly what youre suggesting. We do have to be very careful about what we do with Software Freedom especially on an international event =) I think if you could do a display about the kind of work youre doing to promote linux in education that could be good too.

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Shashi

draicone thanks a loooooooooooooooooot for creating the thread!!! I owe you so much this made me realize spreading freedom is not logic bombing... On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:39 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Think I'll have to update the WIKI... if anybody wants to join > Uncorkers NOW (after all the "change of plan"s)... well here's an open > invitation... You can mail me here or at connect2shashi at gmail dot > com > > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> K... Then i'll just set the wallpaper to an active desktop item and >> give a link to "see more" or take home a copy (I mean in the cafe).... >> Is that against FSism? If you keep criticising me I'll keep getting >> new ideas... I like this a lot!!! criticisms most welcome... >> >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:32 PM, <boscagarda-meetup2345d(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >>> No you are not giving them a choice. Too often peoplle are typing >>> in one program and a popup takes over their screen and they've >>> hit yes or no or cancel or ok because they were typing fast. >>> >>> LOOK, listen to what these folks are saying and dont you >>> dare pull this crap. All it takes is one person to get pissed >>> off and then claim that the free software advocates are >>> malicious. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> >>> To: Open discussions about SFD <sfd-discuss(a)sf-day.org> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2008 9:28:39 AM >>> Subject: Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team? >>> >>> By Giving them an accept/decline button don't you think we are >>> preserving their freedom? It no more becomes a virus the Internet cafe >>> people can be negotiated with to plant a process that caters a copy of >>> the "thing" to every one who plugs in a USB key after asking if they >>> want one.( I mean we can do that on software freedom day in some 20 >>> internet cafe's across India) when the USB buddy goes home and puts >>> the USB on he'll see the best things about software he's ever seen. >>> Think about it how many people can i reach in india in an installfest? >>> If you disagree I'm gonna make the logic bomb into a software that >>> tells people about Free Software and tell them why they need to use >>> free software... and it does not spread people nead to download the >>> software to see the presentation... We'll really make it appealing... >>> But I totally don't think more than 20 people are going to download it >>> (I'm verry friendly and open when i say that..) and you'll have to >>> agree upon that... No freedom cutdown! >>> >>> Thanx for the fast reply... >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their >>>>> choice. >>>>> You can offer them a CD >>>>> Cracking is not advocacy. >>>> >>>> Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the >>>> user. >>>> It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause >>>> which you think of as a useful thing. >>>> The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the >>>> ethos of floss. >>>> Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users >>>> freedom and right to choose. >>>> >>>> Set up computers which people can try. >>>> Set up a game lan which people can try. >>>> Have software available for people to take away. >>>> Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. >>>> Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can >>>> help them with installation >>>> Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared >>>> with people using other platforms. >>>> Support their choice but don't make it for them =) >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Shashi >>> http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Shashi >> http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com >> > > > > -- > Shashi > http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com > -- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Shashi

Think I'll have to update the WIKI... if anybody wants to join Uncorkers NOW (after all the "change of plan"s)... well here's an open invitation... You can mail me here or at connect2shashi at gmail dot com On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > K... Then i'll just set the wallpaper to an active desktop item and > give a link to "see more" or take home a copy (I mean in the cafe).... > Is that against FSism? If you keep criticising me I'll keep getting > new ideas... I like this a lot!!! criticisms most welcome... > > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:32 PM, <boscagarda-meetup2345d(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> No you are not giving them a choice. Too often peoplle are typing >> in one program and a popup takes over their screen and they've >> hit yes or no or cancel or ok because they were typing fast. >> >> LOOK, listen to what these folks are saying and dont you >> dare pull this crap. All it takes is one person to get pissed >> off and then claim that the free software advocates are >> malicious. >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> >> To: Open discussions about SFD <sfd-discuss(a)sf-day.org> >> Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2008 9:28:39 AM >> Subject: Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team? >> >> By Giving them an accept/decline button don't you think we are >> preserving their freedom? It no more becomes a virus the Internet cafe >> people can be negotiated with to plant a process that caters a copy of >> the "thing" to every one who plugs in a USB key after asking if they >> want one.( I mean we can do that on software freedom day in some 20 >> internet cafe's across India) when the USB buddy goes home and puts >> the USB on he'll see the best things about software he's ever seen. >> Think about it how many people can i reach in india in an installfest? >> If you disagree I'm gonna make the logic bomb into a software that >> tells people about Free Software and tell them why they need to use >> free software... and it does not spread people nead to download the >> software to see the presentation... We'll really make it appealing... >> But I totally don't think more than 20 people are going to download it >> (I'm verry friendly and open when i say that..) and you'll have to >> agree upon that... No freedom cutdown! >> >> Thanx for the fast reply... >> >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their >>>> choice. >>>> You can offer them a CD >>>> Cracking is not advocacy. >>> >>> Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the >>> user. >>> It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause >>> which you think of as a useful thing. >>> The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the >>> ethos of floss. >>> Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users >>> freedom and right to choose. >>> >>> Set up computers which people can try. >>> Set up a game lan which people can try. >>> Have software available for people to take away. >>> Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. >>> Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can >>> help them with installation >>> Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared >>> with people using other platforms. >>> Support their choice but don't make it for them =) >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Shashi >> http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> >> > > > > -- > Shashi > http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com > -- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Shashi

K... Then i'll just set the wallpaper to an active desktop item and give a link to "see more" or take home a copy (I mean in the cafe).... Is that against FSism? If you keep criticising me I'll keep getting new ideas... I like this a lot!!! criticisms most welcome... On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:32 PM, <boscagarda-meetup2345d(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > No you are not giving them a choice. Too often peoplle are typing > in one program and a popup takes over their screen and they've > hit yes or no or cancel or ok because they were typing fast. > > LOOK, listen to what these folks are saying and dont you > dare pull this crap. All it takes is one person to get pissed > off and then claim that the free software advocates are > malicious. > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> > To: Open discussions about SFD <sfd-discuss(a)sf-day.org> > Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2008 9:28:39 AM > Subject: Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team? > > By Giving them an accept/decline button don't you think we are > preserving their freedom? It no more becomes a virus the Internet cafe > people can be negotiated with to plant a process that caters a copy of > the "thing" to every one who plugs in a USB key after asking if they > want one.( I mean we can do that on software freedom day in some 20 > internet cafe's across India) when the USB buddy goes home and puts > the USB on he'll see the best things about software he's ever seen. > Think about it how many people can i reach in india in an installfest? > If you disagree I'm gonna make the logic bomb into a software that > tells people about Free Software and tell them why they need to use > free software... and it does not spread people nead to download the > software to see the presentation... We'll really make it appealing... > But I totally don't think more than 20 people are going to download it > (I'm verry friendly and open when i say that..) and you'll have to > agree upon that... No freedom cutdown! > > Thanx for the fast reply... > > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their >>> choice. >>> You can offer them a CD >>> Cracking is not advocacy. >> >> Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the >> user. >> It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause >> which you think of as a useful thing. >> The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the >> ethos of floss. >> Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users >> freedom and right to choose. >> >> Set up computers which people can try. >> Set up a game lan which people can try. >> Have software available for people to take away. >> Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. >> Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can >> help them with installation >> Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared >> with people using other platforms. >> Support their choice but don't make it for them =) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> > > > > -- > Shashi > http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > -- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Shashi

Hey I really don't know what a sponsor means... I am thinking of putting fsf as the sponsor (only sponsor) for the college fest... I mean just tell me if i can do it and are sponsors the ones who funds an act (always?)... On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > In the place where I am PPL reallllly don't care about software > itself!!!! but what about the Wireless connection I did not understan > what you meant by "two sites"... I got your fabulous work message I'll > upload photos and give a link in the wiki after that!!!! I mean i > don't think you are understanding what i said...Look this is my plan > 1. first each member will choose 2 inet cafes go to the owner, > negotiate about the Thing and put the processes that cater the info > on each computer and people who find it interesting can copy a copy by > clicking on ok... the copy can also be a harmless and always open > source html instead of an exe... or a native chm which is not quite > "open"... Got the other message the ethical hacking contest is totally > from the college I'm just coding the lan site participants need to > hack...and it does not have anything to do with the open letter... the > ethical hacking also includes an initial presentation on Hacker > culture (the tech savvy trend that started at MIT and Theories of > richard Stallman and some cartoons of his!)... > > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> you could make a wireless network between two locations and >> share irc or video of the two sites. >> perhaps it could be a community node long term? >> what do people need where you are? >> >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> imagine that someone is doing a windows promotion >>> or a sony cd promotion >>> what kinds of things would you find intrusive if someone did them to you? >>> >>> making freedom is as much giving the user the feeling that they are in >>> control of their own technology as anything else. >>> start with that thought. you are making them feel empowered. >>> what kinds of actions help them recognise that they are in control and >>> have choice. >>> and can be supported in those choices. >>> some of the things which were popular with kids here were the scratch >>> games which can run on windows but which is openly licensed >>> and the lovely penguin racer which was very popular and we had people >>> queuing to play. >>> >>> I think its great that youre passionate and thinking differently. >>> There is so much room for fun without making things which are involuntary. >>> >>> Janet >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Reply fast so that i can updat the wiki and other members also... >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> By Giving them an accept/decline button don't you think we are >>>>> preserving their freedom? It no more becomes a virus the Internet cafe >>>>> people can be negotiated with to plant a process that caters a copy of >>>>> the "thing" to every one who plugs in a USB key after asking if they >>>>> want one.( I mean we can do that on software freedom day in some 20 >>>>> internet cafe's across India) when the USB buddy goes home and puts >>>>> the USB on he'll see the best things about software he's ever seen. >>>>> Think about it how many people can i reach in india in an installfest? >>>>> If you disagree I'm gonna make the logic bomb into a software that >>>>> tells people about Free Software and tell them why they need to use >>>>> free software... and it does not spread people nead to download the >>>>> software to see the presentation... We'll really make it appealing... >>>>> But I totally don't think more than 20 people are going to download it >>>>> (I'm verry friendly and open when i say that..) and you'll have to >>>>> agree upon that... No freedom cutdown! >>>>> >>>>> Thanx for the fast reply... >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. >>>>>>> You can offer them a CD >>>>>>> Cracking is not advocacy. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. >>>>>> It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause >>>>>> which you think of as a useful thing. >>>>>> The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the >>>>>> ethos of floss. >>>>>> Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users >>>>>> freedom and right to choose. >>>>>> >>>>>> Set up computers which people can try. >>>>>> Set up a game lan which people can try. >>>>>> Have software available for people to take away. >>>>>> Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. >>>>>> Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can >>>>>> help them with installation >>>>>> Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared >>>>>> with people using other platforms. >>>>>> Support their choice but don't make it for them =) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>>>>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>>>>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Shashi >>>>> http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Shashi >>>> http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> > > > > -- > Shashi > http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com > -- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by boscagarda-meetup2345d＠yahoo.com

No you are not giving them a choice. Too often peoplle are typing in one program and a popup takes over their screen and they've hit yes or no or cancel or ok because they were typing fast. LOOK, listen to what these folks are saying and dont you dare pull this crap. All it takes is one person to get pissed off and then claim that the free software advocates are malicious. ----- Original Message ---- From: Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> To: Open discussions about SFD <sfd-discuss(a)sf-day.org> Sent: Saturday, August 2, 2008 9:28:39 AM Subject: Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team? By Giving them an accept/decline button don't you think we are preserving their freedom? It no more becomes a virus the Internet cafe people can be negotiated with to plant a process that caters a copy of the "thing" to every one who plugs in a USB key after asking if they want one.( I mean we can do that on software freedom day in some 20 internet cafe's across India) when the USB buddy goes home and puts the USB on he'll see the best things about software he's ever seen. Think about it how many people can i reach in india in an installfest? If you disagree I'm gonna make the logic bomb into a software that tells people about Free Software and tell them why they need to use free software... and it does not spread people nead to download the software to see the presentation... We'll really make it appealing... But I totally don't think more than 20 people are going to download it (I'm verry friendly and open when i say that..) and you'll have to agree upon that... No freedom cutdown! Thanx for the fast reply... On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. >> You can offer them a CD >> Cracking is not advocacy. > > Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. > It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause > which you think of as a useful thing. > The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the > ethos of floss. > Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users > freedom and right to choose. > > Set up computers which people can try. > Set up a game lan which people can try. > Have software available for people to take away. > Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. > Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can > help them with installation > Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared > with people using other platforms. > Support their choice but don't make it for them =) > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > -- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com _______________________________________________ SFD-discuss mailing list SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Shashi

In the place where I am PPL reallllly don't care about software itself!!!! but what about the Wireless connection I did not understan what you meant by "two sites"... I got your fabulous work message I'll upload photos and give a link in the wiki after that!!!! I mean i don't think you are understanding what i said...Look this is my plan 1. first each member will choose 2 inet cafes go to the owner, negotiate about the Thing and put the processes that cater the info on each computer and people who find it interesting can copy a copy by clicking on ok... the copy can also be a harmless and always open source html instead of an exe... or a native chm which is not quite "open"... Got the other message the ethical hacking contest is totally from the college I'm just coding the lan site participants need to hack...and it does not have anything to do with the open letter... the ethical hacking also includes an initial presentation on Hacker culture (the tech savvy trend that started at MIT and Theories of richard Stallman and some cartoons of his!)... On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: > you could make a wireless network between two locations and > share irc or video of the two sites. > perhaps it could be a community node long term? > what do people need where you are? > > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> imagine that someone is doing a windows promotion >> or a sony cd promotion >> what kinds of things would you find intrusive if someone did them to you? >> >> making freedom is as much giving the user the feeling that they are in >> control of their own technology as anything else. >> start with that thought. you are making them feel empowered. >> what kinds of actions help them recognise that they are in control and >> have choice. >> and can be supported in those choices. >> some of the things which were popular with kids here were the scratch >> games which can run on windows but which is openly licensed >> and the lovely penguin racer which was very popular and we had people >> queuing to play. >> >> I think its great that youre passionate and thinking differently. >> There is so much room for fun without making things which are involuntary. >> >> Janet >> >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Reply fast so that i can updat the wiki and other members also... >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> By Giving them an accept/decline button don't you think we are >>>> preserving their freedom? It no more becomes a virus the Internet cafe >>>> people can be negotiated with to plant a process that caters a copy of >>>> the "thing" to every one who plugs in a USB key after asking if they >>>> want one.( I mean we can do that on software freedom day in some 20 >>>> internet cafe's across India) when the USB buddy goes home and puts >>>> the USB on he'll see the best things about software he's ever seen. >>>> Think about it how many people can i reach in india in an installfest? >>>> If you disagree I'm gonna make the logic bomb into a software that >>>> tells people about Free Software and tell them why they need to use >>>> free software... and it does not spread people nead to download the >>>> software to see the presentation... We'll really make it appealing... >>>> But I totally don't think more than 20 people are going to download it >>>> (I'm verry friendly and open when i say that..) and you'll have to >>>> agree upon that... No freedom cutdown! >>>> >>>> Thanx for the fast reply... >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. >>>>>> You can offer them a CD >>>>>> Cracking is not advocacy. >>>>> >>>>> Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. >>>>> It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause >>>>> which you think of as a useful thing. >>>>> The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the >>>>> ethos of floss. >>>>> Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users >>>>> freedom and right to choose. >>>>> >>>>> Set up computers which people can try. >>>>> Set up a game lan which people can try. >>>>> Have software available for people to take away. >>>>> Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. >>>>> Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can >>>>> help them with installation >>>>> Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared >>>>> with people using other platforms. >>>>> Support their choice but don't make it for them =) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>>>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>>>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Shashi >>>> http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Shashi >>> http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > -- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Janet Hawtin

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: > sounds like you are doing fabulous work > > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Thanks For all the care David, >> I live in india by the way and what you do in cafe is almost what i >> have done here and the cafe guy supports me... ialso advised him to >> install ubuntu coz it does not catch viral fevers! but he's only >> stopping because people here totally don't know linux... I and my >> collegemates (I'm 16 and am in ajunior college) are getting t-shirts >> with FSF symbol printed on the back for the School's Annual Fest this >> year... which is on 14th Aug. and we are making a sign-an-open-letter >> campaign to send a letter to our state educational board to support >> free software and teach Unix & Linux instead of windows and ms >> office... I have organised an ethical hacking competition in the Fest just take care about the ethical hacking idea because the actions can be enterpreted in different ways. you are doing much good work to promote linux in education and it would not be likely to help that ause if the departments were wondering if it would result in people doing more cracking. write code by all means or have a competition to write something but keep the users' freedoms in mind and also the reputation of your work with other agencies =) >> after which i'll give a presentation on Free Soft... >> >> Bye Pls read my prev. message Just got an update from Janet >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:59 PM, David Tremblay <david(a)ngowiki.net> wrote: >>> I understand that those "ethical hackers" want to do something with there >>> particular skills and at the same time do a philosophical "action", pretty >>> much like a greenpeace activist who do go sometimes against the law but for >>> something good >>> >>> Anything that looks like a virus and act as virus will be considered as >>> virus, even non destructive, and illegitimate. Environmentalist can >>> sometimes do civil disobedience but because the cause is widely share in the >>> public view. >>> >>> Free software issues are not that widely share the vast majority of people >>> don't even know about it. This act, albeit original and quite in accordance >>> with the "militant spirit" of FOSS will be badly regarded. >>> >>> I don't know where you live but here's something I do when I go to an >>> internet cafe (in some countries they are numerous) I think this is direct >>> action and will never hurt anyone. I always have the windows version of >>> Firefox with me on a usb stick and also a wallpaper - normally a firefox one >>> but for SFD you can think of a Free Software wall paper. So what I do is I >>> install firefox and the wallpaper (you would be surprised on how many >>> internet cafe leave security to 0) it takes me few minutes only and I always >>> feel good after. >>> >>> Other original ideas for those who want "action" >>> >>> Distributing CD of free softwares in public places, like metros or parks >>> that day or the days before will have a "shocking" but harmless effect. >>> Have a dog wearing a linux shirt. >>> Ask some local squigees/punks to distribute SFD cd/fliers at the same time >>> they work cleaning car windshields. >>> Deploy large banners in an unusual place, (be careful in some place it is >>> not welcome to do that) >>> Ask local rock bands to make a show to "free software" and distribute CD >>> during the show >>> >>> SFD does not need to be "boring" or academic >>> >>> >>> Have a nice day >>> >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> > There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their >>>> > choice. >>>> > You can offer them a CD >>>> > Cracking is not advocacy. >>>> >>>> Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the >>>> user. >>>> It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause >>>> which you think of as a useful thing. >>>> The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the >>>> ethos of floss. >>>> Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users >>>> freedom and right to choose. >>>> >>>> Set up computers which people can try. >>>> Set up a game lan which people can try. >>>> Have software available for people to take away. >>>> Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. >>>> Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can >>>> help them with installation >>>> Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared >>>> with people using other platforms. >>>> Support their choice but don't make it for them =) >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> David Tremblay >>> >>> IT analyst >>> mob: 418-208-3631 >>> >>> jabber: ict4ngo >>> skype : ict4ngo >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Shashi >> http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> >

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Janet Hawtin

sounds like you are doing fabulous work On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks For all the care David, > I live in india by the way and what you do in cafe is almost what i > have done here and the cafe guy supports me... ialso advised him to > install ubuntu coz it does not catch viral fevers! but he's only > stopping because people here totally don't know linux... I and my > collegemates (I'm 16 and am in ajunior college) are getting t-shirts > with FSF symbol printed on the back for the School's Annual Fest this > year... which is on 14th Aug. and we are making a sign-an-open-letter > campaign to send a letter to our state educational board to support > free software and teach Unix & Linux instead of windows and ms > office... I have organised an ethical hacking competition in the Fest > after which i'll give a presentation on Free Soft... > > Bye Pls read my prev. message Just got an update from Janet > > > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:59 PM, David Tremblay <david(a)ngowiki.net> wrote: >> I understand that those "ethical hackers" want to do something with there >> particular skills and at the same time do a philosophical "action", pretty >> much like a greenpeace activist who do go sometimes against the law but for >> something good >> >> Anything that looks like a virus and act as virus will be considered as >> virus, even non destructive, and illegitimate. Environmentalist can >> sometimes do civil disobedience but because the cause is widely share in the >> public view. >> >> Free software issues are not that widely share the vast majority of people >> don't even know about it. This act, albeit original and quite in accordance >> with the "militant spirit" of FOSS will be badly regarded. >> >> I don't know where you live but here's something I do when I go to an >> internet cafe (in some countries they are numerous) I think this is direct >> action and will never hurt anyone. I always have the windows version of >> Firefox with me on a usb stick and also a wallpaper - normally a firefox one >> but for SFD you can think of a Free Software wall paper. So what I do is I >> install firefox and the wallpaper (you would be surprised on how many >> internet cafe leave security to 0) it takes me few minutes only and I always >> feel good after. >> >> Other original ideas for those who want "action" >> >> Distributing CD of free softwares in public places, like metros or parks >> that day or the days before will have a "shocking" but harmless effect. >> Have a dog wearing a linux shirt. >> Ask some local squigees/punks to distribute SFD cd/fliers at the same time >> they work cleaning car windshields. >> Deploy large banners in an unusual place, (be careful in some place it is >> not welcome to do that) >> Ask local rock bands to make a show to "free software" and distribute CD >> during the show >> >> SFD does not need to be "boring" or academic >> >> >> Have a nice day >> >> >> David >> >> >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> > There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their >>> > choice. >>> > You can offer them a CD >>> > Cracking is not advocacy. >>> >>> Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the >>> user. >>> It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause >>> which you think of as a useful thing. >>> The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the >>> ethos of floss. >>> Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users >>> freedom and right to choose. >>> >>> Set up computers which people can try. >>> Set up a game lan which people can try. >>> Have software available for people to take away. >>> Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. >>> Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can >>> help them with installation >>> Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared >>> with people using other platforms. >>> Support their choice but don't make it for them =) >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> >> >> >> -- >> David Tremblay >> >> IT analyst >> mob: 418-208-3631 >> >> jabber: ict4ngo >> skype : ict4ngo >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> >> > > > > -- > Shashi > http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

Aug. 2, 2008