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Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Janet Hawtin

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 12:26 AM, Thilo Pfennig <tp(a)pfennigsolutions.de> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Janet Hawtin schrieb: >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. >>> You can offer them a CD >>> Cracking is not advocacy. >> >> Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. >> It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause >> which you think of as a useful thing. >> The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the >> ethos of floss. > > I do not think that there is such an ethos. FLOSS only means open source > and free licenses, nothiung more. It should not be extended. FLOSS can > also mean commercial software which gives users no choice. If you want > more or something different you should find a new term. FLOSS Free Libre Open Source Software maps to the 4 freedoms of the Free Software Foundation. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html RMS is clear on this matter: "In this freedom, it is the user's purpose that matters, not the developer's purpose; you as a user are free to run a program for your purposes, and if you distribute it to someone else, she is then free to run it for her purposes, but you are not entitled to impose your purposes on her." > An on "hackers" - "Hackers" are also coders. So no hackers, no FLOSS. > But I also think intruding computers does no good promotion for FLOSS. > But as a hacker you can show how easy a Windows computer can be intruded. You are using the word hacker to mean someone who intrudes not someone who codes. If even the people participating cannot distinguish between coding and intruding then it is best not to engage in the activity or use the term. > Regards, > Thilo > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (OpenBSD) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkiUdYUACgkQK3WHfZT3wS0+vQCfYM+YmA+qkm4lWasDXxa4IWob > EDUAoNB6pkMfnFZVzcOtdcnUYqqL0Luz > =UQq6 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-discuss Digest, Vol 22, Issue 4

by Salvador Garcia Z.

sfd-discuss-request(a)sf-day.org escribió: > Send SFD-discuss mailing list submissions to > sfd-discuss(a)sf-day.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sfd-discuss-request(a)sf-day.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sfd-discuss-owner(a)sf-day.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SFD-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team? (Shashi) > 2. Re: SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team? (Shashi) > 3. Re: SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team? (Shashi) > 4. Re: SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team? (Shashi) > 5. Re: SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team? (Janet Hawtin) > 6. Re: SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team? (Shashi) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 19:33:39 +0530 > From: Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team? > To: "Open discussions about SFD" <sfd-discuss(a)sf-day.org> > Message-ID: > <110ee9010808020703m4ac9774fh9608ba355b68784f(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hey I really don't know what a sponsor means... I am thinking of > putting fsf as the sponsor (only sponsor) for the college fest... I > mean just tell me if i can do it and are sponsors the ones who funds > an act (always?)... > > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> In the place where I am PPL reallllly don't care about software >> itself!!!! but what about the Wireless connection I did not understan >> what you meant by "two sites"... I got your fabulous work message I'll >> upload photos and give a link in the wiki after that!!!! I mean i >> don't think you are understanding what i said...Look this is my plan >> 1. first each member will choose 2 inet cafes go to the owner, >> negotiate about the Thing and put the processes that cater the info >> on each computer and people who find it interesting can copy a copy by >> clicking on ok... the copy can also be a harmless and always open >> source html instead of an exe... or a native chm which is not quite >> "open"... Got the other message the ethical hacking contest is totally >> from the college I'm just coding the lan site participants need to >> hack...and it does not have anything to do with the open letter... the >> ethical hacking also includes an initial presentation on Hacker >> culture (the tech savvy trend that started at MIT and Theories of >> richard Stallman and some cartoons of his!)... >> >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> you could make a wireless network between two locations and >>> share irc or video of the two sites. >>> perhaps it could be a community node long term? >>> what do people need where you are? >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> imagine that someone is doing a windows promotion >>>> or a sony cd promotion >>>> what kinds of things would you find intrusive if someone did them to you? >>>> >>>> making freedom is as much giving the user the feeling that they are in >>>> control of their own technology as anything else. >>>> start with that thought. you are making them feel empowered. >>>> what kinds of actions help them recognise that they are in control and >>>> have choice. >>>> and can be supported in those choices. >>>> some of the things which were popular with kids here were the scratch >>>> games which can run on windows but which is openly licensed >>>> and the lovely penguin racer which was very popular and we had people >>>> queuing to play. >>>> >>>> I think its great that youre passionate and thinking differently. >>>> There is so much room for fun without making things which are involuntary. >>>> >>>> Janet >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Reply fast so that i can updat the wiki and other members also... >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> By Giving them an accept/decline button don't you think we are >>>>>> preserving their freedom? It no more becomes a virus the Internet cafe >>>>>> people can be negotiated with to plant a process that caters a copy of >>>>>> the "thing" to every one who plugs in a USB key after asking if they >>>>>> want one.( I mean we can do that on software freedom day in some 20 >>>>>> internet cafe's across India) when the USB buddy goes home and puts >>>>>> the USB on he'll see the best things about software he's ever seen. >>>>>> Think about it how many people can i reach in india in an installfest? >>>>>> If you disagree I'm gonna make the logic bomb into a software that >>>>>> tells people about Free Software and tell them why they need to use >>>>>> free software... and it does not spread people nead to download the >>>>>> software to see the presentation... We'll really make it appealing... >>>>>> But I totally don't think more than 20 people are going to download it >>>>>> (I'm verry friendly and open when i say that..) and you'll have to >>>>>> agree upon that... No freedom cutdown! >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanx for the fast reply... >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. >>>>>>>> You can offer them a CD >>>>>>>> Cracking is not advocacy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. >>>>>>> It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause >>>>>>> which you think of as a useful thing. >>>>>>> The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the >>>>>>> ethos of floss. >>>>>>> Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users >>>>>>> freedom and right to choose. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Set up computers which people can try. >>>>>>> Set up a game lan which people can try. >>>>>>> Have software available for people to take away. >>>>>>> Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. >>>>>>> Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can >>>>>>> help them with installation >>>>>>> Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared >>>>>>> with people using other platforms. >>>>>>> Support their choice but don't make it for them =) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>>>>>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>>>>>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Shashi >>>>>> http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Shashi >>>>> http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>>>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>>>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Shashi >> http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com >> >> from: publico(a)terra.com.br Iaeeeee...Joiah!! To mandando as fotos que agente tirou... lembra?? rssss Nao tava achando o cabo da maquina, mas ta ai. Ah, aproveitei e fiz uma apresentacao delas, hehe, ficou legal. Da uma olhada ai e depois me fala o que achou. ;* Ahh, to mandando desse email de uma amiga minha, to na casa dela. Esquece de me responder nao!! Beijao! anexo: Apresentacao_das_fotos.htm <http://terra.paginas.sapo.pt/eu_galera.com> (86kb) I am sorry use Linux systems installed and I have no wine, so I can not open. Exe, I think that one should not use proprietary platforms or even to maintain correspondence, nor to exchange information on this great day.

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-discuss Digest, Vol 22, Issue 4

by Salvador Garcia Z.

sfd-discuss-request(a)sf-day.org escribió: > Send SFD-discuss mailing list submissions to > sfd-discuss(a)sf-day.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sfd-discuss-request(a)sf-day.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sfd-discuss-owner(a)sf-day.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SFD-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team? (Shashi) > 2. Re: SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team? (Shashi) > 3. Re: SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team? (Shashi) > 4. Re: SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team? (Shashi) > 5. Re: SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team? (Janet Hawtin) > 6. Re: SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team? (Shashi) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 19:33:39 +0530 > From: Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team? > To: "Open discussions about SFD" <sfd-discuss(a)sf-day.org> > Message-ID: > <110ee9010808020703m4ac9774fh9608ba355b68784f(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hey I really don't know what a sponsor means... I am thinking of > putting fsf as the sponsor (only sponsor) for the college fest... I > mean just tell me if i can do it and are sponsors the ones who funds > an act (always?)... > > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> In the place where I am PPL reallllly don't care about software >> itself!!!! but what about the Wireless connection I did not understan >> what you meant by "two sites"... I got your fabulous work message I'll >> upload photos and give a link in the wiki after that!!!! I mean i >> don't think you are understanding what i said...Look this is my plan >> 1. first each member will choose 2 inet cafes go to the owner, >> negotiate about the Thing and put the processes that cater the info >> on each computer and people who find it interesting can copy a copy by >> clicking on ok... the copy can also be a harmless and always open >> source html instead of an exe... or a native chm which is not quite >> "open"... Got the other message the ethical hacking contest is totally >> from the college I'm just coding the lan site participants need to >> hack...and it does not have anything to do with the open letter... the >> ethical hacking also includes an initial presentation on Hacker >> culture (the tech savvy trend that started at MIT and Theories of >> richard Stallman and some cartoons of his!)... >> >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> you could make a wireless network between two locations and >>> share irc or video of the two sites. >>> perhaps it could be a community node long term? >>> what do people need where you are? >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> imagine that someone is doing a windows promotion >>>> or a sony cd promotion >>>> what kinds of things would you find intrusive if someone did them to you? >>>> >>>> making freedom is as much giving the user the feeling that they are in >>>> control of their own technology as anything else. >>>> start with that thought. you are making them feel empowered. >>>> what kinds of actions help them recognise that they are in control and >>>> have choice. >>>> and can be supported in those choices. >>>> some of the things which were popular with kids here were the scratch >>>> games which can run on windows but which is openly licensed >>>> and the lovely penguin racer which was very popular and we had people >>>> queuing to play. >>>> >>>> I think its great that youre passionate and thinking differently. >>>> There is so much room for fun without making things which are involuntary. >>>> >>>> Janet >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Reply fast so that i can updat the wiki and other members also... >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> By Giving them an accept/decline button don't you think we are >>>>>> preserving their freedom? It no more becomes a virus the Internet cafe >>>>>> people can be negotiated with to plant a process that caters a copy of >>>>>> the "thing" to every one who plugs in a USB key after asking if they >>>>>> want one.( I mean we can do that on software freedom day in some 20 >>>>>> internet cafe's across India) when the USB buddy goes home and puts >>>>>> the USB on he'll see the best things about software he's ever seen. >>>>>> Think about it how many people can i reach in india in an installfest? >>>>>> If you disagree I'm gonna make the logic bomb into a software that >>>>>> tells people about Free Software and tell them why they need to use >>>>>> free software... and it does not spread people nead to download the >>>>>> software to see the presentation... We'll really make it appealing... >>>>>> But I totally don't think more than 20 people are going to download it >>>>>> (I'm verry friendly and open when i say that..) and you'll have to >>>>>> agree upon that... No freedom cutdown! >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanx for the fast reply... >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. >>>>>>>> You can offer them a CD >>>>>>>> Cracking is not advocacy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. >>>>>>> It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause >>>>>>> which you think of as a useful thing. >>>>>>> The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the >>>>>>> ethos of floss. >>>>>>> Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users >>>>>>> freedom and right to choose. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Set up computers which people can try. >>>>>>> Set up a game lan which people can try. >>>>>>> Have software available for people to take away. >>>>>>> Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. >>>>>>> Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can >>>>>>> help them with installation >>>>>>> Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared >>>>>>> with people using other platforms. >>>>>>> Support their choice but don't make it for them =) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>>>>>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>>>>>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Shashi >>>>>> http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Shashi >>>>> http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>>>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>>>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Shashi >> http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com >> >> Sorry. why not looking for sponsorship from government, to some extent they have since this is a social event and benefit to mankind. When we get benefits from companies, we may be limited to conditions and I think this day can not condition, because everything must be free and free 100%

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-discuss Digest, Vol 22, Issue 4

by Salvador Garcia Z.

sfd-discuss-request(a)sf-day.org escribió: > Send SFD-discuss mailing list submissions to > sfd-discuss(a)sf-day.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > sfd-discuss-request(a)sf-day.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > sfd-discuss-owner(a)sf-day.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of SFD-discuss digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team? (Shashi) > 2. Re: SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team? (Shashi) > 3. Re: SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team? (Shashi) > 4. Re: SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team? (Shashi) > 5. Re: SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team? (Janet Hawtin) > 6. Re: SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team? (Shashi) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 19:33:39 +0530 > From: Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team? > To: "Open discussions about SFD" <sfd-discuss(a)sf-day.org> > Message-ID: > <110ee9010808020703m4ac9774fh9608ba355b68784f(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hey I really don't know what a sponsor means... I am thinking of > putting fsf as the sponsor (only sponsor) for the college fest... I > mean just tell me if i can do it and are sponsors the ones who funds > an act (always?)... > > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> In the place where I am PPL reallllly don't care about software >> itself!!!! but what about the Wireless connection I did not understan >> what you meant by "two sites"... I got your fabulous work message I'll >> upload photos and give a link in the wiki after that!!!! I mean i >> don't think you are understanding what i said...Look this is my plan >> 1. first each member will choose 2 inet cafes go to the owner, >> negotiate about the Thing and put the processes that cater the info >> on each computer and people who find it interesting can copy a copy by >> clicking on ok... the copy can also be a harmless and always open >> source html instead of an exe... or a native chm which is not quite >> "open"... Got the other message the ethical hacking contest is totally >> from the college I'm just coding the lan site participants need to >> hack...and it does not have anything to do with the open letter... the >> ethical hacking also includes an initial presentation on Hacker >> culture (the tech savvy trend that started at MIT and Theories of >> richard Stallman and some cartoons of his!)... >> >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> you could make a wireless network between two locations and >>> share irc or video of the two sites. >>> perhaps it could be a community node long term? >>> what do people need where you are? >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> imagine that someone is doing a windows promotion >>>> or a sony cd promotion >>>> what kinds of things would you find intrusive if someone did them to you? >>>> >>>> making freedom is as much giving the user the feeling that they are in >>>> control of their own technology as anything else. >>>> start with that thought. you are making them feel empowered. >>>> what kinds of actions help them recognise that they are in control and >>>> have choice. >>>> and can be supported in those choices. >>>> some of the things which were popular with kids here were the scratch >>>> games which can run on windows but which is openly licensed >>>> and the lovely penguin racer which was very popular and we had people >>>> queuing to play. >>>> >>>> I think its great that youre passionate and thinking differently. >>>> There is so much room for fun without making things which are involuntary. >>>> >>>> Janet >>>> >>>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Reply fast so that i can updat the wiki and other members also... >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> By Giving them an accept/decline button don't you think we are >>>>>> preserving their freedom? It no more becomes a virus the Internet cafe >>>>>> people can be negotiated with to plant a process that caters a copy of >>>>>> the "thing" to every one who plugs in a USB key after asking if they >>>>>> want one.( I mean we can do that on software freedom day in some 20 >>>>>> internet cafe's across India) when the USB buddy goes home and puts >>>>>> the USB on he'll see the best things about software he's ever seen. >>>>>> Think about it how many people can i reach in india in an installfest? >>>>>> If you disagree I'm gonna make the logic bomb into a software that >>>>>> tells people about Free Software and tell them why they need to use >>>>>> free software... and it does not spread people nead to download the >>>>>> software to see the presentation... We'll really make it appealing... >>>>>> But I totally don't think more than 20 people are going to download it >>>>>> (I'm verry friendly and open when i say that..) and you'll have to >>>>>> agree upon that... No freedom cutdown! >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanx for the fast reply... >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. >>>>>>>> You can offer them a CD >>>>>>>> Cracking is not advocacy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. >>>>>>> It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause >>>>>>> which you think of as a useful thing. >>>>>>> The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the >>>>>>> ethos of floss. >>>>>>> Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users >>>>>>> freedom and right to choose. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Set up computers which people can try. >>>>>>> Set up a game lan which people can try. >>>>>>> Have software available for people to take away. >>>>>>> Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. >>>>>>> Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can >>>>>>> help them with installation >>>>>>> Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared >>>>>>> with people using other platforms. >>>>>>> Support their choice but don't make it for them =) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>>>>>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>>>>>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Shashi >>>>>> http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Shashi >>>>> http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>>>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>>>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>>>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Shashi >> http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com >> >> > > > > por que no buscas patrocinio del gobierno, hasta cierto punto a ellos les corresponde ya que esto es un acto social y beneficio para la humanidad. Cuando obtenemos beneficios de empresas, podemos estar limitados a condiciones y creo que este día no podemos condicionarle, pues todo debe ser gratuito y libre al 100%

Aug. 2, 2008

Haker no

by Salvador Garcia Z.

I think that is like saying Hakan Hund alone, could use the best programmers, writers of the best code. Things that I think would work.

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Shashi

Thanks Thilo Pfennig, the emails have been convincing and all critics of FOSS need is one little mistake to blame the whole community and i don't wanna be the cause of the blame... So no more changes in plans towards aggression! http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html read this and respect freedom... >Sashi, the term "logi bomb" alone frightens people. Also I do not >believe that its necessary to convince people aggressively. that i think is true.. I apologise for the cause of this whole conversation to all FOSS activists.. On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:26 PM, Thilo Pfennig <tp(a)pfennigsolutions.de> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Janet Hawtin schrieb: >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. >>> You can offer them a CD >>> Cracking is not advocacy. >> >> Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. >> It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause >> which you think of as a useful thing. >> The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the >> ethos of floss. > > I do not think that there is such an ethos. FLOSS only means open source > and free licenses, nothiung more. It should not be extended. FLOSS can > also mean commercial software which gives users no choice. If you want > more or something different you should find a new term. > > An on "hackers" - "Hackers" are also coders. So no hackers, no FLOSS. > But I also think intruding computers does no good promotion for FLOSS. > But as a hacker you can show how easy a Windows computer can be intruded. > > Regards, > Thilo > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (OpenBSD) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iEYEARECAAYFAkiUdYUACgkQK3WHfZT3wS0+vQCfYM+YmA+qkm4lWasDXxa4IWob > EDUAoNB6pkMfnFZVzcOtdcnUYqqL0Luz > =UQq6 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > -- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Thilo Pfennig

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Shashi schrieb: > If you disagree I'm gonna make the logic bomb into a software that Sashi, the term "logi bomb" alone frightens people. Also I do not believe that its necessary to convince people aggressively. Regards, Thilo -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (OpenBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiUdk4ACgkQK3WHfZT3wS0M2gCfajObMv1pEnYQ3mvAbUQZ7aGJ P5gAn1G3XL73CGIYE5/yKh4atuoALI1h =WJHJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Thilo Pfennig

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Janet Hawtin schrieb: > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. >> You can offer them a CD >> Cracking is not advocacy. > > Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. > It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause > which you think of as a useful thing. > The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the > ethos of floss. I do not think that there is such an ethos. FLOSS only means open source and free licenses, nothiung more. It should not be extended. FLOSS can also mean commercial software which gives users no choice. If you want more or something different you should find a new term. An on "hackers" - "Hackers" are also coders. So no hackers, no FLOSS. But I also think intruding computers does no good promotion for FLOSS. But as a hacker you can show how easy a Windows computer can be intruded. Regards, Thilo -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (OpenBSD) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkiUdYUACgkQK3WHfZT3wS0+vQCfYM+YmA+qkm4lWasDXxa4IWob EDUAoNB6pkMfnFZVzcOtdcnUYqqL0Luz =UQq6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Shashi

currently the team is recognised by the teams/uncorkers wiki can some one who can change it to teams/global/uncorkers... I mean when i registered the team i gave the teams/uncorkers wiki URL help needed... I've copied the contents already.. On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:06 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I got it go here http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/global/uncorkers > and create one... will I have to delete the previous wiki page one if > i want to make the team global? > > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Thanks a lot Janet... Thats a whole lot of invaluable suggestions i >> got today I updated my WIKI just now.... I'm posting the whole thing >> (this conversation) on the uncorkers protected blog which is >> automatically emailed to all the members.... If anyone outthere wants >> to joun us youcan drop a mail at uncorkers(a)gmail.com We are only 4 >> right now all are indians we need worldwide participation... It'd be >> better if our team is made a global team can anyone tell me how to >> make a team global...??? >> >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> Hey I really don't know what a sponsor means... I am thinking of >>>> putting fsf as the sponsor (only sponsor) for the college fest... I >>>> mean just tell me if i can do it and are sponsors the ones who funds >>>> an act (always?)... >>> >>> Perhaps the best thing to do is to write up exactly what you are aiming to do >>> post the images and all on the wiki. >>> eg >>> >>> >>> Internet cafe. >>> Get approval from cafe owner to include software on the computers >>> which can be downloaded to people's usb drives. >>> Ask for permission to have the start page of the browser launch on a >>> page which has something funky about Software Freedom Day and >>> a link they can click to download the software to their usb drive. >>> Perhaps this is what youre suggesting. >>> I think its just describing it as hacking which is giving me problems >>> because even >>> though we know that hacking can be what we call writing code, when >>> youre using it in a context where it is moving code from one person's >>> space to another it tends to sound more like cracking. >>> We need to be careful to avoid that kind of impression for an >>> international event. >>> Sorry if this is disappointing but I think you have much to offer for >>> the event and >>> no need to risk it =) >>> Janet >>> >>> That way people can think through exactly what youre suggesting. >>> We do have to be very careful about what we do with Software Freedom >>> especially on an international event =) >>> >>> I think if you could do a display about the kind of work youre doing >>> to promote linux in education that could be good too. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Shashi >> http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com >> > > > > -- > Shashi > http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com > -- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Shashi

I got it go here http://softwarefreedomday.org/teams/global/uncorkers and create one... will I have to delete the previous wiki page one if i want to make the team global? On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks a lot Janet... Thats a whole lot of invaluable suggestions i > got today I updated my WIKI just now.... I'm posting the whole thing > (this conversation) on the uncorkers protected blog which is > automatically emailed to all the members.... If anyone outthere wants > to joun us youcan drop a mail at uncorkers(a)gmail.com We are only 4 > right now all are indians we need worldwide participation... It'd be > better if our team is made a global team can anyone tell me how to > make a team global...??? > > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:45 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:33 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hey I really don't know what a sponsor means... I am thinking of >>> putting fsf as the sponsor (only sponsor) for the college fest... I >>> mean just tell me if i can do it and are sponsors the ones who funds >>> an act (always?)... >> >> Perhaps the best thing to do is to write up exactly what you are aiming to do >> post the images and all on the wiki. >> eg >> >> >> Internet cafe. >> Get approval from cafe owner to include software on the computers >> which can be downloaded to people's usb drives. >> Ask for permission to have the start page of the browser launch on a >> page which has something funky about Software Freedom Day and >> a link they can click to download the software to their usb drive. >> Perhaps this is what youre suggesting. >> I think its just describing it as hacking which is giving me problems >> because even >> though we know that hacking can be what we call writing code, when >> youre using it in a context where it is moving code from one person's >> space to another it tends to sound more like cracking. >> We need to be careful to avoid that kind of impression for an >> international event. >> Sorry if this is disappointing but I think you have much to offer for >> the event and >> no need to risk it =) >> Janet >> >> That way people can think through exactly what youre suggesting. >> We do have to be very careful about what we do with Software Freedom >> especially on an international event =) >> >> I think if you could do a display about the kind of work youre doing >> to promote linux in education that could be good too. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> > > > > -- > Shashi > http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com > -- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com

Aug. 2, 2008