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Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Shashi

Thanks For all the care David, I live in india by the way and what you do in cafe is almost what i have done here and the cafe guy supports me... ialso advised him to install ubuntu coz it does not catch viral fevers! but he's only stopping because people here totally don't know linux... I and my collegemates (I'm 16 and am in ajunior college) are getting t-shirts with FSF symbol printed on the back for the School's Annual Fest this year... which is on 14th Aug. and we are making a sign-an-open-letter campaign to send a letter to our state educational board to support free software and teach Unix & Linux instead of windows and ms office... I have organised an ethical hacking competition in the Fest after which i'll give a presentation on Free Soft... Bye Pls read my prev. message Just got an update from Janet On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:59 PM, David Tremblay <david(a)ngowiki.net> wrote: > I understand that those "ethical hackers" want to do something with there > particular skills and at the same time do a philosophical "action", pretty > much like a greenpeace activist who do go sometimes against the law but for > something good > > Anything that looks like a virus and act as virus will be considered as > virus, even non destructive, and illegitimate. Environmentalist can > sometimes do civil disobedience but because the cause is widely share in the > public view. > > Free software issues are not that widely share the vast majority of people > don't even know about it. This act, albeit original and quite in accordance > with the "militant spirit" of FOSS will be badly regarded. > > I don't know where you live but here's something I do when I go to an > internet cafe (in some countries they are numerous) I think this is direct > action and will never hurt anyone. I always have the windows version of > Firefox with me on a usb stick and also a wallpaper - normally a firefox one > but for SFD you can think of a Free Software wall paper. So what I do is I > install firefox and the wallpaper (you would be surprised on how many > internet cafe leave security to 0) it takes me few minutes only and I always > feel good after. > > Other original ideas for those who want "action" > > Distributing CD of free softwares in public places, like metros or parks > that day or the days before will have a "shocking" but harmless effect. > Have a dog wearing a linux shirt. > Ask some local squigees/punks to distribute SFD cd/fliers at the same time > they work cleaning car windshields. > Deploy large banners in an unusual place, (be careful in some place it is > not welcome to do that) > Ask local rock bands to make a show to "free software" and distribute CD > during the show > > SFD does not need to be "boring" or academic > > > Have a nice day > > > David > > > > > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their >> > choice. >> > You can offer them a CD >> > Cracking is not advocacy. >> >> Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the >> user. >> It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause >> which you think of as a useful thing. >> The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the >> ethos of floss. >> Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users >> freedom and right to choose. >> >> Set up computers which people can try. >> Set up a game lan which people can try. >> Have software available for people to take away. >> Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. >> Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can >> help them with installation >> Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared >> with people using other platforms. >> Support their choice but don't make it for them =) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > > > -- > David Tremblay > > IT analyst > mob: 418-208-3631 > > jabber: ict4ngo > skype : ict4ngo > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > > -- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Janet Hawtin

you could make a wireless network between two locations and share irc or video of the two sites. perhaps it could be a community node long term? what do people need where you are? On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:15 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: > imagine that someone is doing a windows promotion > or a sony cd promotion > what kinds of things would you find intrusive if someone did them to you? > > making freedom is as much giving the user the feeling that they are in > control of their own technology as anything else. > start with that thought. you are making them feel empowered. > what kinds of actions help them recognise that they are in control and > have choice. > and can be supported in those choices. > some of the things which were popular with kids here were the scratch > games which can run on windows but which is openly licensed > and the lovely penguin racer which was very popular and we had people > queuing to play. > > I think its great that youre passionate and thinking differently. > There is so much room for fun without making things which are involuntary. > > Janet > > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Reply fast so that i can updat the wiki and other members also... >> >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> By Giving them an accept/decline button don't you think we are >>> preserving their freedom? It no more becomes a virus the Internet cafe >>> people can be negotiated with to plant a process that caters a copy of >>> the "thing" to every one who plugs in a USB key after asking if they >>> want one.( I mean we can do that on software freedom day in some 20 >>> internet cafe's across India) when the USB buddy goes home and puts >>> the USB on he'll see the best things about software he's ever seen. >>> Think about it how many people can i reach in india in an installfest? >>> If you disagree I'm gonna make the logic bomb into a software that >>> tells people about Free Software and tell them why they need to use >>> free software... and it does not spread people nead to download the >>> software to see the presentation... We'll really make it appealing... >>> But I totally don't think more than 20 people are going to download it >>> (I'm verry friendly and open when i say that..) and you'll have to >>> agree upon that... No freedom cutdown! >>> >>> Thanx for the fast reply... >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. >>>>> You can offer them a CD >>>>> Cracking is not advocacy. >>>> >>>> Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. >>>> It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause >>>> which you think of as a useful thing. >>>> The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the >>>> ethos of floss. >>>> Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users >>>> freedom and right to choose. >>>> >>>> Set up computers which people can try. >>>> Set up a game lan which people can try. >>>> Have software available for people to take away. >>>> Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. >>>> Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can >>>> help them with installation >>>> Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared >>>> with people using other platforms. >>>> Support their choice but don't make it for them =) >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Shashi >>> http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Shashi >> http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> >

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Janet Hawtin

imagine that someone is doing a windows promotion or a sony cd promotion what kinds of things would you find intrusive if someone did them to you? making freedom is as much giving the user the feeling that they are in control of their own technology as anything else. start with that thought. you are making them feel empowered. what kinds of actions help them recognise that they are in control and have choice. and can be supported in those choices. some of the things which were popular with kids here were the scratch games which can run on windows but which is openly licensed and the lovely penguin racer which was very popular and we had people queuing to play. I think its great that youre passionate and thinking differently. There is so much room for fun without making things which are involuntary. Janet On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Reply fast so that i can updat the wiki and other members also... > > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> By Giving them an accept/decline button don't you think we are >> preserving their freedom? It no more becomes a virus the Internet cafe >> people can be negotiated with to plant a process that caters a copy of >> the "thing" to every one who plugs in a USB key after asking if they >> want one.( I mean we can do that on software freedom day in some 20 >> internet cafe's across India) when the USB buddy goes home and puts >> the USB on he'll see the best things about software he's ever seen. >> Think about it how many people can i reach in india in an installfest? >> If you disagree I'm gonna make the logic bomb into a software that >> tells people about Free Software and tell them why they need to use >> free software... and it does not spread people nead to download the >> software to see the presentation... We'll really make it appealing... >> But I totally don't think more than 20 people are going to download it >> (I'm verry friendly and open when i say that..) and you'll have to >> agree upon that... No freedom cutdown! >> >> Thanx for the fast reply... >> >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. >>>> You can offer them a CD >>>> Cracking is not advocacy. >>> >>> Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. >>> It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause >>> which you think of as a useful thing. >>> The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the >>> ethos of floss. >>> Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users >>> freedom and right to choose. >>> >>> Set up computers which people can try. >>> Set up a game lan which people can try. >>> Have software available for people to take away. >>> Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. >>> Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can >>> help them with installation >>> Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared >>> with people using other platforms. >>> Support their choice but don't make it for them =) >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> SFD-discuss mailing list >>> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >>> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Shashi >> http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com >> > > > > -- > Shashi > http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Shashi

Reply fast so that i can updat the wiki and other members also... On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:58 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > By Giving them an accept/decline button don't you think we are > preserving their freedom? It no more becomes a virus the Internet cafe > people can be negotiated with to plant a process that caters a copy of > the "thing" to every one who plugs in a USB key after asking if they > want one.( I mean we can do that on software freedom day in some 20 > internet cafe's across India) when the USB buddy goes home and puts > the USB on he'll see the best things about software he's ever seen. > Think about it how many people can i reach in india in an installfest? > If you disagree I'm gonna make the logic bomb into a software that > tells people about Free Software and tell them why they need to use > free software... and it does not spread people nead to download the > software to see the presentation... We'll really make it appealing... > But I totally don't think more than 20 people are going to download it > (I'm verry friendly and open when i say that..) and you'll have to > agree upon that... No freedom cutdown! > > Thanx for the fast reply... > > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. >>> You can offer them a CD >>> Cracking is not advocacy. >> >> Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. >> It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause >> which you think of as a useful thing. >> The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the >> ethos of floss. >> Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users >> freedom and right to choose. >> >> Set up computers which people can try. >> Set up a game lan which people can try. >> Have software available for people to take away. >> Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. >> Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can >> help them with installation >> Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared >> with people using other platforms. >> Support their choice but don't make it for them =) >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> > > > > -- > Shashi > http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com > -- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by David Tremblay

I understand that those "ethical hackers" want to do something with there particular skills and at the same time do a philosophical "action", pretty much like a greenpeace activist who do go sometimes against the law but for something good Anything that looks like a virus and act as virus will be considered as virus, even non destructive, and illegitimate. Environmentalist can sometimes do civil disobedience but because the cause is widely share in the public view. Free software issues are not that widely share the vast majority of people don't even know about it. This act, albeit original and quite in accordance with the "militant spirit" of FOSS will be badly regarded. I don't know where you live but here's something I do when I go to an internet cafe (in some countries they are numerous) I think this is direct action and will never hurt anyone. I always have the windows version of Firefox with me on a usb stick and also a wallpaper - normally a firefox one but for SFD you can think of a Free Software wall paper. So what I do is I install firefox and the wallpaper (you would be surprised on how many internet cafe leave security to 0) it takes me few minutes only and I always feel good after. Other original ideas for those who want "action" Distributing CD of free softwares in public places, like metros or parks that day or the days before will have a "shocking" but harmless effect. Have a dog wearing a linux shirt. Ask some local squigees/punks to distribute SFD cd/fliers at the same time they work cleaning car windshields. Deploy large banners in an unusual place, (be careful in some place it is not welcome to do that) Ask local rock bands to make a show to "free software" and distribute CD during the show SFD does not need to be "boring" or academic Have a nice day David On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 8:44 AM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their > choice. > > You can offer them a CD > > Cracking is not advocacy. > > Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the > user. > It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause > which you think of as a useful thing. > The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the > ethos of floss. > Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users > freedom and right to choose. > > Set up computers which people can try. > Set up a game lan which people can try. > Have software available for people to take away. > Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. > Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can > help them with installation > Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared > with people using other platforms. > Support their choice but don't make it for them =) > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > -- David Tremblay IT analyst mob: 418-208-3631 jabber: ict4ngo skype : ict4ngo

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Shashi

By Giving them an accept/decline button don't you think we are preserving their freedom? It no more becomes a virus the Internet cafe people can be negotiated with to plant a process that caters a copy of the "thing" to every one who plugs in a USB key after asking if they want one.( I mean we can do that on software freedom day in some 20 internet cafe's across India) when the USB buddy goes home and puts the USB on he'll see the best things about software he's ever seen. Think about it how many people can i reach in india in an installfest? If you disagree I'm gonna make the logic bomb into a software that tells people about Free Software and tell them why they need to use free software... and it does not spread people nead to download the software to see the presentation... We'll really make it appealing... But I totally don't think more than 20 people are going to download it (I'm verry friendly and open when i say that..) and you'll have to agree upon that... No freedom cutdown! Thanx for the fast reply... On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. >> You can offer them a CD >> Cracking is not advocacy. > > Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. > It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause > which you think of as a useful thing. > The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the > ethos of floss. > Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users > freedom and right to choose. > > Set up computers which people can try. > Set up a game lan which people can try. > Have software available for people to take away. > Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. > Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can > help them with installation > Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared > with people using other platforms. > Support their choice but don't make it for them =) > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss > -- Shashi http://connect2shashi.blogspot.com

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Janet Hawtin

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Janet Hawtin <lucychili(a)gmail.com> wrote: > There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. > You can offer them a CD > Cracking is not advocacy. Sorry but the whole idea of free software is that it is liberty for the user. It doesnt matter whether youre getting into their computer for a cause which you think of as a useful thing. The act of removing their choice is in direct contradiction to the ethos of floss. Any action which you do for SFD should be respectful of the users freedom and right to choose. Set up computers which people can try. Set up a game lan which people can try. Have software available for people to take away. Promote the kinds of things you use your free software for. Have an install fest where people can bring their computer and you can help them with installation Show people open office and how it can make files which can be shared with people using other platforms. Support their choice but don't make it for them =)

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Janet Hawtin

There should be NO activity which is on a users computer without their choice. You can offer them a CD Cracking is not advocacy. On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:06 PM, Shashi <connect2shashi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks for all the criticism and suggestion. > This was exactly what i was thinking the day before "The logic bomb > should in no way be harsh upon innocent windows users... So we came up > with a new Idea... The thing which is not a virus (coz it's gonna do > no harm to computers as such) will ask the user when triggered or when > trying to copy itself if the user wants to have the thing enter his > machine and also provides a "Totally Harmless" certificate from a > security testing body, I have not yet thought of what this "body " is > going to be but hoping can some how get ClamWin ppl to help us. And > there will be a link on the home page about what haker and cracker > mean on the Yes No prompt pointing to RFC1392 > http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1392.txt which makes the difference > very clear... > > Or if you totally criticise me after all these You are welcome to > suggest anything that Uncorkers can do for sf-day (something > electronical and ethical)... We promise not to disobey the FOSS > philosophy and the moral protocol > > Thanx a lot! > --Shashi > > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:36 AM, draicone(a)gmail.com <draicone(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 12:54 PM, DK <wplug(a)curlynoodle.com> wrote: >>> I agree that SFD should be labeled as "hackers". Mainstream media and >>> advertising uses the term "hacker" to describe a person engaged in >>> criminal behavior. As such, the vast majority of the public have no >>> conception of an "ethical hacker"; its just an oxymoron to most. >> >> I'd go as far as to suggest that ethical hacking isn't at all >> something we want to be associated with, even in the "tech-savvy" >> definition. Identifying security vulnerabilities is ethical; >> exploiting them is not. We are not here to force FOSS onto people, and >> changing their homepage is akin to making them wake up at the back of >> a Wal-Mart every morning. We are simply here to encourage them to make >> their own decision, as they'll probably choose the free software (the >> cheapest blank CDs?). >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> SFD-discuss mailing list >> SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org >> http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >> > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by Shashi

Thanks for all the criticism and suggestion. This was exactly what i was thinking the day before "The logic bomb should in no way be harsh upon innocent windows users... So we came up with a new Idea... The thing which is not a virus (coz it's gonna do no harm to computers as such) will ask the user when triggered or when trying to copy itself if the user wants to have the thing enter his machine and also provides a "Totally Harmless" certificate from a security testing body, I have not yet thought of what this "body " is going to be but hoping can some how get ClamWin ppl to help us. And there will be a link on the home page about what haker and cracker mean on the Yes No prompt pointing to RFC1392 http://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc1392.txt which makes the difference very clear... Or if you totally criticise me after all these You are welcome to suggest anything that Uncorkers can do for sf-day (something electronical and ethical)... We promise not to disobey the FOSS philosophy and the moral protocol Thanx a lot! --Shashi On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 11:36 AM, draicone(a)gmail.com <draicone(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 12:54 PM, DK <wplug(a)curlynoodle.com> wrote: >> I agree that SFD should be labeled as "hackers". Mainstream media and >> advertising uses the term "hacker" to describe a person engaged in >> criminal behavior. As such, the vast majority of the public have no >> conception of an "ethical hacker"; its just an oxymoron to most. > > I'd go as far as to suggest that ethical hacking isn't at all > something we want to be associated with, even in the "tech-savvy" > definition. Identifying security vulnerabilities is ethical; > exploiting them is not. We are not here to force FOSS onto people, and > changing their homepage is akin to making them wake up at the back of > a Wal-Mart every morning. We are simply here to encourage them to make > their own decision, as they'll probably choose the free software (the > cheapest blank CDs?). > > > _______________________________________________ > SFD-discuss mailing list > SFD-discuss(a)sf-day.org > http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/sfd-discuss >

Aug. 2, 2008

Re: [SFD-discuss] SFD-promotion virus by "uncorkers" team?

by draicone＠gmail.com

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 12:54 PM, DK <wplug(a)curlynoodle.com> wrote: > I agree that SFD should be labeled as "hackers". Mainstream media and > advertising uses the term "hacker" to describe a person engaged in > criminal behavior. As such, the vast majority of the public have no > conception of an "ethical hacker"; its just an oxymoron to most. I'd go as far as to suggest that ethical hacking isn't at all something we want to be associated with, even in the "tech-savvy" definition. Identifying security vulnerabilities is ethical; exploiting them is not. We are not here to force FOSS onto people, and changing their homepage is akin to making them wake up at the back of a Wal-Mart every morning. We are simply here to encourage them to make their own decision, as they'll probably choose the free software (the cheapest blank CDs?).

Aug. 2, 2008