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Why I don't switch from Firefox today

by Jan Stary

Dear Dillo developers, I have been using Dillo since about 0.2.x, and would like to start this email with "Hail Caesar and everything". Thank you! I am really looking forward to the day I replace Firefox with Dillo completely. These are the reasons I won't do it today: 1. Internally, Dillo uses GTK1, which, internally, uses LATIN1. As I am Czech, the last lines of my install process would be $ make install $ strings src/dillo | grep iso8859 $ sed -e 's/iso8859-1/iso8859-2/g;' < ./src/dillo > ~/bin/dillo which happens to work. I suppose that the transition to FLTK will make me able to vies pages in other charsets too. This problem is adressed in http://teki.jpn.ph/pc/software/index-e.shtml#dillo-i18n (Are you guys considering any of the patches included in that?) 2. Lack of CSS support. I am aware of http://www.dillo.org/download/dillo-0.8.0-css-3.tar.gz (which, BTW, needs to have a few syntax errors fixed before it compiles, see PS). However, it doesn't do much - looking at http://www.dillo.org won't even let me click on the links. 3. Dillo does not have tabbed browsing. I know it's just a convenience, not really related to fast rendering and stuff, but this convenience is just so ... you know, convenient :-) This is also patched into http://teki.jpn.ph/pc/software/index-e.shtml#dillo-i18n After these issues are resolved, you have a converted Firefox user (not that I would use anything else but Dillo for e.g. reading documentation). OTOH, don't waste your time on frames and javascript, everybody knows it's evil. Sincerely Jan PS: Compiling http://www.dillo.org/download/dillo-0.8.0-css-3.tar.gz on FreeBSD 6.0-RELEASE-p7 with gcc (GCC) 3.4.4 [FreeBSD] 20050518 stops with the following errors: In file included from doctree.c:40: css.h:267:8: warning: extra tokens at end of #endif directive doctree.c: In function `Doctree_construct': doctree.c:746: error: label at end of compound statement doctree.c: In function `Doctree_draw_text': doctree.c:806: error: label at end of compound statement The src/css.h ends with #endif __CSS_H__ which I just commented properly, and the empty labels case DW_STYLE_DISPLAY_LAST: /* compiler happiness */ } and case DOCTREE_ELEMENT: /* compiler happiness */ } in src/doctree.c can obviously be deleted. Then it compiles smoothly.

May 27, 2006

Re: [Dillo-dev] Oriental(?) overlay

by Francis Daly

On Sun, May 14, 2006 at 03:53:56PM -0400, Beartooth wrote: Hi there, > Lately I've been finding many sites covered, or all but covered, with what > may be either very dense pictographs, or a version of the stuff printed on > the backs or carbons of checks to keep part of the data from being legible > on the copies. > > rpm -q says I'm running dillo-0.8.5-2.fc5 ; on this machine the opening > screen doesn't show the version when I open it from another app (It's my > default browser.), but when I open it from its icon, it calls itself > 0.8.5-i18n-misc. Does that mean I have two conflicting versions installed?? Not necessarily. The Fedora Core packaged version dillo-0.8.5-2.fc5 is (I believe) the dillo 0.8.5 version plus a patch they choose to apply. If you go to the url "about:splash" it should show you information on what you have, The patch they apply is one that makes significant changes to the dillo internals, and is not one that the dillo-dev list chooses to support. Either the author, or the FC5 guys who apply the patch, are probably better people to talk to for help. > cron does yum update nightly, and I do it manually from time to time. > > Anyway, what is wrong, and how do I fix it? The description of the problem doesn't match anything I recall seeing (except perhaps possibly when I used the "nil" font family, which defaulted to "rather small", which could count as "dense pictographs"). If you can reproduce it (possibly with a pointer to a screenshot somewhere) using the plain dillo code, people here may be able to offer more help. Alternatively, the about:splash page probably gives more details about the patch author. The plain dillo code can be found at http://www.dillo.org/download.html, with a link to an FC5 rpm at http://www.hyperborea.org/software/dillo/ Good luck, f -- Francis Daly francis(a)daoine.org

May 14, 2006

Oriental(?) overlay

by Beartooth

Lately I've been finding many sites covered, or all but covered, with what may be either very dense pictographs, or a version of the stuff printed on the backs or carbons of checks to keep part of the data from being legible on the copies. rpm -q says I'm running dillo-0.8.5-2.fc5 ; on this machine the opening screen doesn't show the version when I open it from another app (It's my default browser.), but when I open it from its icon, it calls itself 0.8.5-i18n-misc. Does that mean I have two conflicting versions installed?? cron does yum update nightly, and I do it manually from time to time. Anyway, what is wrong, and how do I fix it? -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Linux Convert FC5; Pine 4.64, Pan 0.14.2.91; Privoxy 3.0.3; CXO 5.0.1 Dillo 0.8.5, Opera 8.54, Firefox 1.5, Epiphany 2.14 Remember I have little idea what I am talking about.

May 14, 2006

Re: Dillo Hungarian translation.

by Jorge Arellano Cid

On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 08:06:37PM +0200, Balazs Melikant wrote: > Hi, Hi Balazs. > > Dillo became one of my favorite applications on my SUSE Linux systems It's Good you like it! > and would have some spare time to prepare a Hungarian translation for > it. I would start it asap, but only if there would be interest from > your side. Yes there is. As you may know, we're working in finishing the port to FLTK2. FLTK2 will allow us to use utf8 characters, and thus i18n and friends will be much easier. The other important point is autoconf stuff to be able to disable all this (embedded devices require apps. to be as lean as possible). While we finish the current prototype tree (not yet publicly available), you may start investigating about i18n: what would it require, how to enable/disable it with autoconf etc, and report me back (I did this research some years ago). The new source tree is very different to the old one (with significative parts in C++ and a new UI module), so there's no point in trying to work on dillo-0.8.6 with a view to port to the new tree. Some research on this topic, and an optional framework for enabling/disabling different translations would be a good contribution you may work on while we finish our prototype. > It would also help me, if you would briefly let me know, > how and where to start... As above. You should also subscribe to dillo-dev and have a this topic discussion there. You may get some help and good advice there. BTW, I'm CC'ing this answer to dillo-dev. -- Cheers Jorge.-

May 11, 2006

[tomm@dslextreme.com: Dillo browser]

by Jorge Arellano Cid

-- Cheers Jorge.-

May 6, 2006

Re: [Dillo-dev] dillo-0.8.6.tar.bz2 is out!!!

by higuita

On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 18:49:11 -0400, Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org> wrote: > Looks like you are compiling against FLTK1. Dillo uses FLTK2. (...) > fltk-config --version if returns 2.0.0... i have fltk-config in /usr/bin (2.0.0) and in /usr/local/bin (1.1.7) i use 1.1.7 for another program if i remove the 1.x fltk libs from /usr/local/lib i was able to compile and use dillo... but this requires hand tune for compiling each program is there any better way? probably this will disappear when FLTK 2.x is really released and programs use -lfltk2 instead of -lfltk >PS: You could have trimmed the log... err... sorry, i didnt realize that xterm buffer was really that big (in length and size) -- Naturally the common people don't want war... but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country. -- Hermann Goering, Nazi and war criminal, 1883-1946

May 2, 2006

Re: [Dillo-dev] dillo-0.8.6.tar.bz2 is out!!!

by Globe Trotter

--- Kelson Vibber <kelson(a)pobox.com> wrote: > On Sunday 30 April 2006 1:26 pm, Globe Trotter wrote: > > I downloaded and installed your Fedora 5 RPM. When I click on bookmark, I > > get nowhere. There is an error about libssl.so.5 not found? Or something > > like that. > > How did you get this to work on FC5? > > Um... I installed it? Really, nothing special beyond that. > > The libssl issue points to the probable reason: I would guess you installed > the Fedora Core 4 RPM instead of the FC5 RPM. The RPM for FC5 is linked > against libssl.so.6, not libssl.so.5. The FC4 RPM, however, is linked to > libssl.so.5. > > Make sure you grabbed dillo-0.8.6-1.fc5.i386.rpm, and try reinstalling the > RPM. Just in case, see if an old dpid process is running and kill it. > > Oh, and there's no need to install the openssl-devel package. > The /lib/libssl.so files are in the openssl package. > > (Even so, I wouldn't expect this to be an issue except with HTTPS links, and > the RPM is built as plain-vanilla as possible -- which means the SSL support > is actually disabled. Does dpid try to load all the DPIs when it's first > called?) > > -- > Kelson Vibber > www.hyperborea.org > Hi Kelson, Thanks! I did install dillo-0.8.6-1.fc5.i386.rpm and just to be clear, I removed the old dillo. And it works, well, sort of. Is it possible to increase the font in this new dillo? I will report better after using it some more. best wishes, trotter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

May 1, 2006

Re: [Dillo-dev] dillo-0.8.6.tar.bz2 is out!!!

by Kelson Vibber

On Sunday 30 April 2006 1:26 pm, Globe Trotter wrote: > I downloaded and installed your Fedora 5 RPM. When I click on bookmark, I > get nowhere. There is an error about libssl.so.5 not found? Or something > like that. > How did you get this to work on FC5? Um... I installed it? Really, nothing special beyond that. The libssl issue points to the probable reason: I would guess you installed the Fedora Core 4 RPM instead of the FC5 RPM. The RPM for FC5 is linked against libssl.so.6, not libssl.so.5. The FC4 RPM, however, is linked to libssl.so.5. Make sure you grabbed dillo-0.8.6-1.fc5.i386.rpm, and try reinstalling the RPM. Just in case, see if an old dpid process is running and kill it. Oh, and there's no need to install the openssl-devel package. The /lib/libssl.so files are in the openssl package. (Even so, I wouldn't expect this to be an issue except with HTTPS links, and the RPM is built as plain-vanilla as possible -- which means the SSL support is actually disabled. Does dpid try to load all the DPIs when it's first called?) -- Kelson Vibber www.hyperborea.org

May 1, 2006

Re: [Dillo-dev] dillo-0.8.6.tar.bz2 is out!!!

by Patrick Shanahan

* Globe Trotter <itsme_410(a)yahoo.com> [04-30-06 17:09]: > --- Patrick Shanahan <ptilopteri(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > * Globe Trotter <itsme_410(a)yahoo.com> [04-30-06 16:29]: > > > I downloaded and installed your Fedora 5 RPM. When I click on > > > bookmark, I get nowhere. There is an error about libssl.so.5 not > > > found? Or something like that. > > > > install openssl-devel > > Are you sure that this is right? Because on Fc5, I do the following: > > rpm -q openssl-devel > openssl-devel-0.9.8a-5.2 > Then I would soft link libssl.so.0.9.8 to to libssl.so.5. I believe that the rpm is probably built against an incorrect libssl requirement (libssl.so.5 should be ?? ). note: I am not an expert, am guessing here, but this maneuver has worked for me in the past. note2: a google search for libssl.so.5 gives: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2005-June/msg03916.html gud luk -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2

April 30, 2006

Re: [Dillo-dev] dillo-0.8.6.tar.bz2 is out!!!

by Globe Trotter

--- Patrick Shanahan <ptilopteri(a)gmail.com> wrote: > * Globe Trotter <itsme_410(a)yahoo.com> [04-30-06 16:29]: > > I downloaded and installed your Fedora 5 RPM. When I click on bookmark, I > get > > nowhere. There is an error about libssl.so.5 not found? Or something like > > that. > > install openssl-devel Hi Patrick, Are you sure that this is right? Because on Fc5, I do the following: rpm -q openssl-devel openssl-devel-0.9.8a-5.2 which tells me that that is installed? Also, yum provides libssl.so.5 does not return anything: No Matches found. Thanks, Trotter __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

April 30, 2006