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Re: [Dillo-dev]dillo as a debian package ..?

by Mattias Östergren

On Sun, 30 May 2004 11:38:55 -0400 (CLT) Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org> wrote: > > > On Tue, 25 May 2004, Willem van Engen wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > ok, I made a new .deb for 0.8.1 and setup an apt repository on > > http://willem.engen.nl/debian > > please read debian install instructions there. I did only some very > > basic tests and seems to work nicely. Please report if I missed > > something. > > Thanks a lot Willem! > > I asked a couple of persons to try it, and added a link from > the download page. > > If someone can help with the official package, it'd be very > good too... > The official package is now up-to-date. /Mattias, Debian user.

May 31, 2004

Re: [Dillo-dev]page increment (was: very simple question, and many kudos!)

by Sebastian Geerken

On Mon, May 31, Brian Hechinger wrote: > On Mon, May 31, 2004 at 03:09:03PM +0200, Sebastian Geerken wrote: > > > > Scrolling half a page is actually standard behaviour of Gtk, look > > e.g. at gtk_layout_size_allocate() (in gtklayout.c), which is more or > > less responsible for this in our case, since our code uses > > GdkAdjustment::page_increment, which is set there. > > hmmmmmm. can't say i care for that behavior. maybe i should whine to the GTK > folks and see if i can either get that changed, or at least get it setup so > there is some way to override it at run/compile time? They won't probably change it, especially since dillo depends on Gtk 1.2, which development has been closed, AFAIK. > > The attached patch "solves" it, but I'm not sure, wether the standard > > behaviour should be overridden. > > how hard would it be to make it a runtime option? something in dillorc? that > way you can have standard behavior and also the option to change its behavior > to satisfy people like me? Actually, it envolves reading Havoc Pennington's essay "Free software and good user interfaces" (http://ometer.com/free-software-ui.html) especially the section "The Question of Preferences", and considering, whether or not this configuration option should be added. Actually, I'd rather like it either having applied or not (not configurable), the others should apply the patch. (Adding the code is BTW rather simple, just look at how other options are handled in "prefs.c".) > how about this. let me know when the CVS tree stablizes and i'll write that > for you. It will probably still take some time, it is a bit more difficult than I thought. Sebastian

May 31, 2004

[Dillo-dev]Some remarks on the UI

by Sebastian Geerken

Hi, several remarks on the UI, which should be fixed IMO. 1. Bug meter: The bug meter button reacts on the "pressed" event, to show the window, but it should react on the "clicked" signal. Popping up a window after a "pressed" signal is usually only done for volatile windows (like menus, or overview windows, like in GIMP, which often vanish again, after releasing the mouse button). Reacting on "pressed" is always a bit problematic, also because the pointer grab initiated with this event can cause side-effects. Furthermore, it should not have a relief, compare to the "Hide Controls" button. 2. The menus behind the "Back" and "Forward" buttons: Consider the following scenario: (i) The user presses button 3 on the "Back" button, and the menu is shown. (ii) He keeps the button pressed, moves to one entry in the menu, and releases the button. Nothing happens. Currently, the menu items only react on "button_press", which is anyway wrong (see above). Furthermore, in this situation, the item should already react on the "release" event, either as described above, or in the way (i) click on menu, (ii) click on menu entry. The current behaviour is that much confusing, that a user may think that it does not work at all. (I did!) (The implementation would become a bit tricky, since button 2 will pop up the page in a new window. Perhaps, I'd even suggest to skip this feature, if a clean solution is not possible.) BTW, it is not very obvious, that there is a menu behind these two buttons. Perhaps there should be, in the icon, a small arrow directed downdwards, or so. 3. Attached is the incomplete code of a new widget, which changes the behaviour of GtkButton: (i) It reacts also on button 2 and 3, this would make multiple functions for one button possible. Actually, this feature should be reserved for very few situation (since it is simply confusing), namely the "Clear URL" button, which may also be used for visiting the URL in the selection buffer. (ii) It provides a function for attaching a menu in a better way, than we have currently, for the "Back" and "Forward" menus, and for the bug meter. Simply copy all files into one directory, call "make", and run "testprg". Look, what happens with different mouse buttons. Comments welcome. Sebastian

May 31, 2004

[Dillo-dev]page increment (was: very simple question, and many kudos!)

by Sebastian Geerken

On Sun, May 30, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote: > On Fri, 28 May 2004, Brian Hechinger wrote: > > so far, it's perfect for me. the only thing that i have a question about is > > PgUp and PgDn only moving half a page at a time. is there a way to get them > > to move a full page? > > Some time ago there was a patch, that i'd gladly apply, for > that. Maybe Sebastian has it. I'm not sure. Sebastian? Scrolling half a page is actually standard behaviour of Gtk, look e.g. at gtk_layout_size_allocate() (in gtklayout.c), which is more or less responsible for this in our case, since our code uses GdkAdjustment::page_increment, which is set there. The attached patch "solves" it, but I'm not sure, wether the standard behaviour should be overridden. Sebastian PS: I'm currently working on huge changes in Dw, so committing patches to Dw shold currently avoided when possible.

May 31, 2004

[Dillo-dev]https (eg for posting to ps2 bulletin boards)

by robert w hall

Every time I read the playstation2-linux lists I realise how very useful dillo will be when it gets just a little further. How's the short/medium term future of https looking?(*) If an official plugin is in the offing then that's probably what we should all wait for. Otherwise, is the patch from 0.7 resurrectable?? Bob (*You need ssl to post to the ps2 bulletin board) -- robert w hall

May 30, 2004

Re: [Dillo-dev]very simple question, and many kudos!

by Brian Hechinger

On Sun, May 30, 2004 at 11:43:35AM -0400, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote: > > > so i got it. i have to say, i can't even put my surprise of how fast it was > > into words. i was floored. this is EXACTLY what i needed. > > Thanks for the good feedback! This information is important for us. hey, it's no problem, you guys certainly deserve it! i've been getting tired over the years of web browsers that have gotten so bloated that they have become completely unusable on slower older computers. i mean, come on, mozilla is _slow_ on my dual 200Mhz Octane with 1.5G ram, and that thing is a far cry from being a slow computer. > > so far, it's perfect for me. the only thing that i have a question about is > > PgUp and PgDn only moving half a page at a time. is there a way to get them > > to move a full page? > > Some time ago there was a patch, that i'd gladly apply, for > that. Maybe Sebastian has it. I'm not sure. Sebastian? if you could come up with that, that would be awesome. thanks!! > > thanks, and keep up the excellent work!! > We try. well keep trying!! i need frames!! ;) -brian -- "Performing a Google search on the fairly unique name you've chosen weeks ago for a piece of software you're writing, only to discover that the sole occurance of that name is as a pen-name for someone who spends his spare time writing X-rated PowerPuff Girls fan fiction is pretty-much a buzzkill." -- Jonathan Patschke --

May 30, 2004

Re: [Dillo-dev]help with start page

by Jorge Arellano Cid

On Fri, 28 May 2004, Turcios Manuel Pita wrote: > Hi i have some trouble with dillo that i want to fix. We have (at work) installed dillo on a coffenet application as the web browser by default to users to check their email under imap. Quite interesting. > So i need to change it te start page that it takes by default as www.dillo.org. > I had checked /etc/dillorc but it seems not to be there. May u help us to solve that?? There're two different things here: 1.- The start page (the one we call "splash" screen). 2.- The home page (accesable with the "Home" Icon). The home page is easily changed from dillorc. The splash page (the one that says "Welcome to to Dillo 0.8.1") can't be changed from dillorc yet. To me, it looks as though you want to change the splash page. If so, please write us back (it doesn't look as a bad idea adding the option to dillorc). In the meanwhile, you can override the splash page by passing dillo an URL from the command line: dillo http://myplace.org/ If you want this done automatically, make a shell script that aliases dillo. Cheers Jorge.-

May 30, 2004

Re: [Dillo-dev]very simple question, and many kudos!

by Jorge Arellano Cid

On Fri, 28 May 2004, Brian Hechinger wrote: > first off, i would like to say that i am completely impressed with dillo's > efficiency. i finally found myself to be in the position where i needed to > get X11 onto my Toshiba Tecra notebook so that i could use a web browser. > it's a 166Mhz with 32M ram, so i asked around what would be the best browser > for such a low resource machine, and was told firefox by a few. so i got a > copy of firefox. it was so slow, not only was it unusable, it made the rest > of my computer unusable. then someone mentioned dillo. > > so i got it. i have to say, i can't even put my surprise of how fast it was > into words. i was floored. this is EXACTLY what i needed. Thanks for the good feedback! This information is important for us. > so far, it's perfect for me. the only thing that i have a question about is > PgUp and PgDn only moving half a page at a time. is there a way to get them > to move a full page? Some time ago there was a patch, that i'd gladly apply, for that. Maybe Sebastian has it. I'm not sure. Sebastian? > thanks, and keep up the excellent work!! We try. Cheers Jorge.-

May 30, 2004

Re: [Dillo-dev]dillo as a debian package ..?

by Jorge Arellano Cid

On Tue, 25 May 2004, Willem van Engen wrote: > Hi all, > > ok, I made a new .deb for 0.8.1 and setup an apt repository on > http://willem.engen.nl/debian > please read debian install instructions there. I did only some very > basic tests and seems to work nicely. Please report if I missed > something. Thanks a lot Willem! I asked a couple of persons to try it, and added a link from the download page. If someone can help with the official package, it'd be very good too... Cheers Jorge.-

May 30, 2004

Re: [Dillo-dev]help with start page

by Livio Baldini Soares

Hi Turcios, Turcios Manuel Pita writes: > Hi i have some trouble with dillo that i want to fix. We have (at work) > installed dillo on a coffenet application as the web browser by default to > users to check their email under imap. > So i need to change it te start page that it takes by default as www.dillo.org. > I had checked /etc/dillorc but it seems not to be there. May u help us to solve > that?? I don't quite understand what you mean you "checked and it was not there". Do you mean the file or the "home" option? Anyways, you can copy the one that came with your tarball (or the one from http://www.dillo.org/dillorc) to /etc/dillorc, and see if that works. If it doesn't it probably means that dillo was configured (at compile time) to have a sysconfdir different than /etc (you can maybe try /usr/local/etc). Worst case, you have to tell all your users to copy the dillorc to $HOME/.dillo/dillorc BTW: I haven't found "dillorc" documented anywhere on the dillo sites or source documentation... but maybe I'm looking in the wrong place. hope this helps, -- Livio B. Soares

May 28, 2004