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by Jorge Arellano Cid

-- Cheers Jorge.-

Jan. 25, 2007

Re: Your Web Pages

by Jorge Arellano Cid

Hi John, First of all, thanks for checking the project. Hero go some answers... On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 09:58:37PM -0800, John Gutierrez wrote: > Jorge, > > Will you site be updated anytime soon. Some of your pages have a date of > July 24, 2003 (funding.html). I check your site from time to time, but > rarely see new information. > > Plans.html has not had an update since August 2006. I would imagine that the > bullet colors would have changed by now. > > The ChangeLog.html shows a date of Apr 26, 2006 (no new version since then?) > > The FAQ.html still references version 8.4. and talks about FLTK port as of > 2005! > > Fosdem 2005 and LSM 2005 are OLD events - anything current? > > The Achievements (A_gols.html was last modified October 2,2006 - anything > new? The Dillo project is currently frozen. I'm expecting the vacation season in Germany to end to communicate with Sebastian and update the site with an official statement of the current situation. (I've tried to reach him since late 2006 so I assume he's on holidays). The latter time was spent trying to rise funds for continuing the development with at least two people working full time on it. Funding didn't happen so I had to take a job, and as Sebastian had a job, the situation now is we're both on a spare time basis that in practice has been close to nil. OTOH, the port to FLTK2 has gone very good with no surprises and a very good transition. The problem is lack of manpower because of lack of funds. The project is frozen because it is impossible to develop a web browser (very complex task), keeping pace with the evolving technologies, by working on a spare time basis. The web site will be updated after I have a virtual meeting to discuss the points with Sebastian, or in mid February, whatever comes first. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Jan. 11, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] dillo chat in Logroño/La Rioja/Spain

by Jorge Arellano Cid

Hi Diego, On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 12:39:17PM +0100, Diego . wrote: > Ok, but with FALSE (DwPage owns a button that owns the image) the button > fail to draw the alt text when can not load the image and do not use width > and height atributes of the html tag. > Using your patch and seting the parameter to TRUE it use width, height and > alt, but do not redraw alt text. > Without your patch dillo segfaults if that parameter is true. > > Diego. Not bad for a "quick hacky patch". ;-) You can use TRUE, most probably at the expense of memory leaks and maybe some side effect too. Handling "alt text" is not trivial though. Currently the DwButton with image acts as if the only child it can have is an image (dw_button.c). Handling of "alt text" involves implementing this button to handle two childs, one for alt text and another for the image. For instance, both could be added, and the button let to chose which one to draw depending on which one is NULL at a given time. Note that the image handling is asynchronous. You don't know if it will succeed at button creation time, so the button should check both children's size (for instance), and use a successful one given preference to the image. This clearly needs careful implementation. Now, dillo-0.8.6 uses the old C/GTK1 Dw, without abstraction layer. I'd prefer to work this problem out in the new C++/FLTK2 Dw with abstraction layer. If you want to implement this in C/GTK1 Dw, the above hints should get you started. -- Cheers Jorge.- > > > > 2006/12/2, Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org>: > > > >Hi Diego, > > > >On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 02:23:01AM +0100, Diego . wrote: > >> Very thanks for the fast patch and the advices. > >> One question ¿In Html_input_image why is the function Html_add_new_image > >> called with the FALSE parameter? > > > > Quick answer: > > > > Because the image is embedded inside a button that's already > >inside the DwPage. > > > > In other words: there's no need to add the image to the DwPage > >because the button "owns" the image (think of an object), thus > >only the button object needs to be added. > > > >-- > > Cheers > > Jorge.- > > > _______________________________________________ > Dillo-dev mailing list > Dillo-dev(a)dillo.org > http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev

Dec. 5, 2006

Re: [Dillo-dev] dillo chat in Logroño/La Rioja/Spain

by Diego .

Ok, but with FALSE (DwPage owns a button that owns the image) the button fail to draw the alt text when can not load the image and do not use width and height atributes of the html tag. Using your patch and seting the parameter to TRUE it use width, height and alt, but do not redraw alt text. Without your patch dillo segfaults if that parameter is true. Diego. 2006/12/2, Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org>: > > Hi Diego, > > On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 02:23:01AM +0100, Diego . wrote: > > Very thanks for the fast patch and the advices. > > One question ¿In Html_input_image why is the function Html_add_new_image > > called with the FALSE parameter? > > Quick answer: > > Because the image is embedded inside a button that's already > inside the DwPage. > > In other words: there's no need to add the image to the DwPage > because the button "owns" the image (think of an object), thus > only the button object needs to be added. > > -- > Cheers > Jorge.- >

Dec. 5, 2006

Re: [Dillo-dev] dillo chat in Logroño/La Rioja/Spain

by Jorge Arellano Cid

Hi Diego! On Wed, Nov 29, 2006 at 05:44:45PM +0100, Diego . wrote: > Hello. I am Diego Sáenz. I use this mail address now (I had mail problems > and lost some mails, but i have read them in the list archive). I am > associate of AULIR (Asociacion de Usuarios de GNU/Linux de La Rioja) a > spanish LUG and will give a chat about how to wrote dillo plug-ins. I will > explain a few the dillo internals too. There are not very much programers in > AULIR(one of them program anjelica.sourceforge.net) but i will try to wake > interest about dillo. > > Any advice for the chat? Yes, just try to put up the example code, and directions on how to run it in a web site a couple of days before the chat, and ask your audience to try the example prior to the chat. That way they can experiment and play with what you're going to explain instead of having to grasp it in abstract. Trying to get all the details of dpi without experimenting with it beforehand can be tough. > I will try to show a preferences plug in as example. > Is the bug #695 solved somewhere? No, but I made a quick hacky patch for you! :-) It's not as clean and tested as I'd like, but OTOH it would not surprise me if it ends being a good solution. Please send some feedback on how it works. > i think i will need to use it for a > feature of the plug in. Here you are: -------------------------------------------------------------------------- diff -pru dillo/src/html.c dillo-cur/src/html.c --- dillo/src/html.c 2006-04-08 08:16:46.000000000 -0400 +++ dillo-cur/src/html.c 2006-11-29 16:00:40.000000000 -0300 @@ -3717,10 +3717,19 @@ static DwWidget *Html_input_image(DilloH DilloUrl *url = NULL; DwStyle style_attrs; const char *attrbuf; + DwTooltip *tooltip; if ((attrbuf = Html_get_attr(html, tag, tagsize, "src")) && (url = Html_url_new(html, attrbuf, NULL, 0, 0, 0, 0))) { button = a_Dw_button_new (0, FALSE); + + /* add the tooltip to the button holding the image */ + if (prefs.show_tooltip && + (attrbuf = Html_get_attr(html, tag, tagsize, "title"))) { + tooltip = a_Dw_tooltip_new_no_ref(attrbuf); + HTML_SET_TOP_ATTR(html, x_tooltip, tooltip); + } + a_Dw_page_add_widget (DW_PAGE (html->dw), button, html->stack[html->stack_top].style); gtk_signal_connect(GTK_OBJECT(button), "clicked_at", @@ -3728,6 +3737,7 @@ static DwWidget *Html_input_image(DilloH a_Dw_button_set_sensitive(DW_BUTTON(button), FALSE); /* create new image and add it to the button */ + style_attrs = *html->stack[html->stack_top].style; if ((Image = Html_add_new_image(html, tag, tagsize, &style_attrs, FALSE))) { /* By suppressing the "image_pressed" signal, the events are sent -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ps: i hoppe that this do not seem spam* Just disable the HTML mail and spam filters will not frown on you. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Nov. 29, 2006

dillo chat in Logroño/La Rioja/Spain

by Diego .

Hello. I am Diego Sáenz. I use this mail address now (I had mail problems and lost some mails, but i have read them in the list archive). I am associate of AULIR (Asociacion de Usuarios de GNU/Linux de La Rioja) a spanish LUG and will give a chat about how to wrote dillo plug-ins. I will explain a few the dillo internals too. There are not very much programers in AULIR(one of them program anjelica.sourceforge.net) but i will try to wake interest about dillo. Any advice for the chat? I will try to show a preferences plug in as example. Is the bug #695 solved somewhere? i think i will need to use it for a feature of the plug in. Diego. ps: i hoppe that this do not seem spam* *

Nov. 29, 2006

Re: invalid (?) relative url resolve issue +patch

by Jorge Arellano Cid

Hi, On Wed, Nov 29, 2006 at 12:47:39AM +0100, Schilter Roland wrote: > Hello, > first of all, thanks for dillo :) ;) > I think I found a bug or at least, a misbehaviour that is handled in famous browsers differently. > I looked through the code and finally figured out where to change code to get the expected behaviour. > (Took some time though :p ) > > I need to mention that I didn't read the RFC2396 about URIs and I have the feeling that the implementation > in dillo may be according to specifications but nevertheless, i couldn't browse several sites... :) > > The problem is, if a `href' attribute of html-tag `a' starts only with a query (`?test') > then the path of the baseurl is only taken until the last slash: > > <a href="?test">test</a> while the baseurl being `www.example.com/example' > > this link will resolve to www.example.com/?test although I expected it to go to www.example.com/example?test Give a look to RFC-2396 C.1 Normal examples: base = http://a/b/c/d;p?q#f relative = ?y resolved => http://a/b/c/?y Dillo passes all those tests, including the abnormal section. Ah and we also test for these extra tests: http://www.ics.uci.edu/~fielding/url/test2.html http://www.ics.uci.edu/~fielding/url/test3.html http://www.ics.uci.edu/~fielding/url/test4.html http://www.ics.uci.edu/~fielding/url/test5.html HTH. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Nov. 29, 2006

Re: [Dillo-dev] The sound of silence

by Jorge Arellano Cid

Hi, On Mon, Nov 27, 2006 at 02:11:18AM +0200, Joonas Saarinen wrote: > Hello, > > It has been almost two months of silence on this list and I thought to > ask how are you doing? :) > > Anything new about the "Campaign to help Dillo survive"? Etc. This is a very appropiate question. :-) The campaign to help Dillo survive has not attracted new funders, and the donations amount near EUR 250. This clearly doesn't change a bit the project status. People in the embedded market want a small featured browser, but don't want to invest in it. This is: if we develop it they'll use it, but there's not much interest in funding the development. From a business perspective it makes sense. Investing in Dillo to make a full featured embedable web browser of it, is a three years plan (and who knows what the Web will look like in three years). Now if they only need an embedable web browser that evolves into a full-featured one. They could start deploying it in a year. This is a business opportunity indeed, but it depends on a company having a client demanding it; here using Dillo fits the bill. On the technical side, the port to FLTK2 is almost finished, and has been a surprisingly smooth transition, without surprises, going on as planned (except that we planned for some surprises!). OTOH development is progressing at very slow pace because we, the core developers, can't work full time on it, and spare time is scarce. From a community perspective, it's interesting to notice that there's a need for a lightweight web browser (Think of OLPC, firefox's users demands for less features and smaller footprint, help systems, a thin client for web apps., the embedded market: cell phones, PDAs etc). Now, if not enough users are willing to support development with money, the funding may only come from the business area, but business don't invest with regard to users' needs, but with regard to ROI. BTW, another source of funding is governments, but in seven years, not a single email has arrived from that source ;-). There we are. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Nov. 29, 2006

The sound of silence

by Joonas Saarinen

Hello, It has been almost two months of silence on this list and I thought to ask how are you doing? :) Anything new about the "Campaign to help Dillo survive"? Etc.

Nov. 27, 2006

Re: [Dillo-dev] Re: [Fwd: Dillo article precisions]

by Jorge Arellano Cid

Hi, On Wed, Oct 04, 2006 at 12:23:18PM -0600, Alan Carvalho de Assis wrote: > Hi Jorge, > I hope some company to sponsor Dillo soon. > > BTW, do you have some observation to be add in campaign's document? It has shaped very well! A few observations: * I'd put FLTK2 instead of FLTK FLTK1 is different and Dillo doesn't compile with it. * FLTK2 comes with text antialiasing and UTF8 A couple of features already working in dillo-fltk2! (this may be pointed up there) * For further information, and contact, please point them to my email address (jcid(a)dillo.org) > Do you think to contact the company which contacted you three years ago? Most probably yes. Although they're trying to "open source" their own platform, investing on a side technology is a good diversity safeguard they'll probably want to consider. -- Cheers Jorge.- PS: please don't CC' me. I do read dillo-dev!

Oct. 4, 2006