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Feature Request

by newman.x＠gmail.com

Jorge Arellano Cid wrote: > On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 10:58:43PM +0100, Michal Nowak wrote: >> me at swva wrote: >>> I think I'm being unclear, in two ways. >>> >>>>> Just to check, I did this as root : >>>>> >>>>> [root@Hbsk2 btth]# rpm -q dillo >>>>> dillo-0.8.6-7.fc9.i386 >>>>> [root@Hbsk2 btth]# yum update dillo >>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>>> Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit >>>>> updates-newkey | 2.3 kB 00:00 >>>>> updates | 2.6 kB 00:00 >>>>> fedora | 2.4 kB 00:00 >>>>> Setting up Update Process >>>>> No Packages marked for Update >>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>>> [root@Hbsk2 btth]# >>> On Sat, 8 Nov 2008, Johannes Hofmann wrote: >>> >>>> dillo-0.8.6 is no longer supported and you should consider to >>>> upgrade to dillo-2.0. >>>> But nevertheless for me it also works with dillo-0.8.6. >>> For those who run other OSs, what the emphasized lines mean is the >>> 0.8.6 is what Fedora has, period. (I run F9, the latest release.) Any >>> idea why it's so far behind?? I didn't realize 1.0 had become official, >>> let alone 2.0 >>> >> That's life. In Fedora, nor even Rawhide, isn't Dillo v2.0. Two reasons: >> >> 1) No one packed FLTK 2.x, check repository there's still 1.1.9. >> 2) Because of (1) no Dillo 2. >> >> Although Fedora is usually fresh, in case of Dillo it's still on Dillo >> 0.8.6 mainline. Feel free to file bug (bugzilla.redhat.com) against >> Dillo and Package Review for FLTK2, but be aware that having unstable >> FLTK 2.x in Fedora might be quite fight. (Believe me I am Fedora >> packager.) > > Dillo2 doesn't need an FLTK2 package installed! > It can be statically linked in. One package, that's it. > (this is the default BTW). > Sure I am aware of that, but wrt Fedora, it's something neat forbidden https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackagingDrafts/StaticLibraryPolicy unless necessary (and this is not the case). > Now, if distros need to also provide source packages by policy, > then that's a different story. > Correct. FLTK can't just be present in compile time, somehow, toolchain has to be clear and for everyone from day0. > Please clarify me because I've read that complaint a few times, > and don't yet know whether it's my fault not making the statical > linking clear enough to packagers, or if there's a packaging > policy issue I don't know of. :) > From my POV, in distros we don't want static built packages; security flaws in linked-in libraries is the main concern. One has to rebuild all apps with those libraries, not just the library (obvious). I don't thing it will be that hard to get FLTK & Dillo2 into Fedora, the thing is that no one did it till now :). (And I ma pretty busy at work & uni :) ). Michal

Nov. 9, 2008

Feature Request

by jcid＠dillo.org

On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 10:58:43PM +0100, Michal Nowak wrote: > me at swva wrote: >> >> I think I'm being unclear, in two ways. >> >>>> Just to check, I did this as root : >>>> >>>> [root@Hbsk2 btth]# rpm -q dillo >>>> dillo-0.8.6-7.fc9.i386 >>>> [root@Hbsk2 btth]# yum update dillo >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>> Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit >>>> updates-newkey | 2.3 kB 00:00 >>>> updates | 2.6 kB 00:00 >>>> fedora | 2.4 kB 00:00 >>>> Setting up Update Process >>>> No Packages marked for Update >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>>> [root@Hbsk2 btth]# >> >> On Sat, 8 Nov 2008, Johannes Hofmann wrote: >> >>> dillo-0.8.6 is no longer supported and you should consider to >>> upgrade to dillo-2.0. >>> But nevertheless for me it also works with dillo-0.8.6. >> >> For those who run other OSs, what the emphasized lines mean is the >> 0.8.6 is what Fedora has, period. (I run F9, the latest release.) Any >> idea why it's so far behind?? I didn't realize 1.0 had become official, >> let alone 2.0 >> > > That's life. In Fedora, nor even Rawhide, isn't Dillo v2.0. Two reasons: > > 1) No one packed FLTK 2.x, check repository there's still 1.1.9. > 2) Because of (1) no Dillo 2. > > Although Fedora is usually fresh, in case of Dillo it's still on Dillo > 0.8.6 mainline. Feel free to file bug (bugzilla.redhat.com) against > Dillo and Package Review for FLTK2, but be aware that having unstable > FLTK 2.x in Fedora might be quite fight. (Believe me I am Fedora > packager.) Dillo2 doesn't need an FLTK2 package installed! It can be statically linked in. One package, that's it. (this is the default BTW). Now, if distros need to also provide source packages by policy, then that's a different story. Please clarify me because I've read that complaint a few times, and don't yet know whether it's my fault not making the statical linking clear enough to packagers, or if there's a packaging policy issue I don't know of. :) -- Cheers Jorge.-

Nov. 9, 2008

Feature Request

by akemnade＠tzi.de

On Sun, 9 Nov 2008 09:38:11 +0100 Johannes Hofmann <Johannes.Hofmann(a)gmx.de> wrote: > On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 04:40:01PM -0500, me at swva wrote: > > > > I think I'm being unclear, in two ways. > > > >>> Just to check, I did this as root : > >>> > >>> [root@Hbsk2 btth]# rpm -q dillo > >>> dillo-0.8.6-7.fc9.i386 > >>> [root@Hbsk2 btth]# yum update dillo > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >>> Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit > >>> updates-newkey | 2.3 kB 00:00 > >>> updates | 2.6 kB 00:00 > >>> fedora | 2.4 kB 00:00 > >>> Setting up Update Process > >>> No Packages marked for Update > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >>> [root@Hbsk2 btth]# > > > > On Sat, 8 Nov 2008, Johannes Hofmann wrote: > > > >> dillo-0.8.6 is no longer supported and you should consider to > >> upgrade to dillo-2.0. > >> But nevertheless for me it also works with dillo-0.8.6. > > > > For those who run other OSs, what the emphasized lines mean is the 0.8.6 > > is what Fedora has, period. (I run F9, the latest release.) Any idea why > > it's so far behind?? I didn't realize 1.0 had become official, let alone > > 2.0 > > > >> If you enter "google.com" in the location bar and hit return > >> it doesn't go to google? > > > > It does indeed. I'm putting this badly. > > > > I run Alpine 2.0; it is set to launch the default browser, which is > > dillo -- and URLs in emails are what I use a default browser for. > > > > Does this mean something in my Alpine settings (and my Pine 4.64 > > settings, which it took over) is wrong? My Fedora default browser setting > > is simply "dillo %s"; my Alpine setting is something I'll have to dig > > for, as it's buried way deep. > > I don't know what Alpine exactly does, but if I do > dillo google.com > on the command line, it works fine with both dillo 2.0 and 0.8.6. > The interesting question here is which 0.8.6? the official one or the inofficial dillo-i18n one? At least debian does not ship the official one. If that's about the dillo-i18n stuff (and not reproducable with official dillo), then the problem should go to the corresponding team. Greetings Andreas Kemnade

Nov. 9, 2008

Feature Request

by Johannes.Hofmann＠gmx.de

On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 04:40:01PM -0500, me at swva wrote: > > I think I'm being unclear, in two ways. > >>> Just to check, I did this as root : >>> >>> [root@Hbsk2 btth]# rpm -q dillo >>> dillo-0.8.6-7.fc9.i386 >>> [root@Hbsk2 btth]# yum update dillo > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>> Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit >>> updates-newkey | 2.3 kB 00:00 >>> updates | 2.6 kB 00:00 >>> fedora | 2.4 kB 00:00 >>> Setting up Update Process >>> No Packages marked for Update > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>> [root@Hbsk2 btth]# > > On Sat, 8 Nov 2008, Johannes Hofmann wrote: > >> dillo-0.8.6 is no longer supported and you should consider to >> upgrade to dillo-2.0. >> But nevertheless for me it also works with dillo-0.8.6. > > For those who run other OSs, what the emphasized lines mean is the 0.8.6 > is what Fedora has, period. (I run F9, the latest release.) Any idea why > it's so far behind?? I didn't realize 1.0 had become official, let alone > 2.0 > >> If you enter "google.com" in the location bar and hit return >> it doesn't go to google? > > It does indeed. I'm putting this badly. > > I run Alpine 2.0; it is set to launch the default browser, which is > dillo -- and URLs in emails are what I use a default browser for. > > Does this mean something in my Alpine settings (and my Pine 4.64 > settings, which it took over) is wrong? My Fedora default browser setting > is simply "dillo %s"; my Alpine setting is something I'll have to dig > for, as it's buried way deep. I don't know what Alpine exactly does, but if I do dillo google.com on the command line, it works fine with both dillo 2.0 and 0.8.6.

Nov. 9, 2008

Feature Request

by newman.x＠gmail.com

me at swva wrote: > > I think I'm being unclear, in two ways. > >>> Just to check, I did this as root : >>> >>> [root@Hbsk2 btth]# rpm -q dillo >>> dillo-0.8.6-7.fc9.i386 >>> [root@Hbsk2 btth]# yum update dillo > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>> Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit >>> updates-newkey | 2.3 kB 00:00 >>> updates | 2.6 kB 00:00 >>> fedora | 2.4 kB 00:00 >>> Setting up Update Process >>> No Packages marked for Update > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >>> [root@Hbsk2 btth]# > > On Sat, 8 Nov 2008, Johannes Hofmann wrote: > >> dillo-0.8.6 is no longer supported and you should consider to >> upgrade to dillo-2.0. >> But nevertheless for me it also works with dillo-0.8.6. > > For those who run other OSs, what the emphasized lines mean is the > 0.8.6 is what Fedora has, period. (I run F9, the latest release.) Any > idea why it's so far behind?? I didn't realize 1.0 had become official, > let alone 2.0 > That's life. In Fedora, nor even Rawhide, isn't Dillo v2.0. Two reasons: 1) No one packed FLTK 2.x, check repository there's still 1.1.9. 2) Because of (1) no Dillo 2. Although Fedora is usually fresh, in case of Dillo it's still on Dillo 0.8.6 mainline. Feel free to file bug (bugzilla.redhat.com) against Dillo and Package Review for FLTK2, but be aware that having unstable FLTK 2.x in Fedora might be quite fight. (Believe me I am Fedora packager.) Feel free to use mines with SSL enabled (no guarantee at all), both F10. http://www.stud.fit.vutbr.cz/~xnowak01/Fedora/dillo/dillo-2.0-1.i386.rpm http://www.stud.fit.vutbr.cz/~xnowak01/Fedora/fltk/fltk2-2.0.x.r6403-0.1.i3… But you'll probably have more luck with those: http://www.hyperborea.org/software/dillo/rpms/ Enjoy. >> If you enter "google.com" in the location bar and hit return >> it doesn't go to google? > > It does indeed. I'm putting this badly. > > I run Alpine 2.0; it is set to launch the default browser, which is > dillo -- and URLs in emails are what I use a default browser for. > > Does this mean something in my Alpine settings (and my Pine 4.64 > settings, which it took over) is wrong? My Fedora default browser > setting is simply "dillo %s"; my Alpine setting is something I'll have > to dig for, as it's buried way deep. > Might be here interesting whether Dillo2 cooperates nicely with alpine, let us know. Michal

Nov. 8, 2008

Feature Request

by Beartooth＠swva.net

I think I'm being unclear, in two ways. >> Just to check, I did this as root : >> >> [root@Hbsk2 btth]# rpm -q dillo >> dillo-0.8.6-7.fc9.i386 >> [root@Hbsk2 btth]# yum update dillo ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit >> updates-newkey | 2.3 kB 00:00 >> updates | 2.6 kB 00:00 >> fedora | 2.4 kB 00:00 >> Setting up Update Process >> No Packages marked for Update ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ >> [root@Hbsk2 btth]# On Sat, 8 Nov 2008, Johannes Hofmann wrote: > dillo-0.8.6 is no longer supported and you should consider to > upgrade to dillo-2.0. > But nevertheless for me it also works with dillo-0.8.6. For those who run other OSs, what the emphasized lines mean is the 0.8.6 is what Fedora has, period. (I run F9, the latest release.) Any idea why it's so far behind?? I didn't realize 1.0 had become official, let alone 2.0 > If you enter "google.com" in the location bar and hit return > it doesn't go to google? It does indeed. I'm putting this badly. I run Alpine 2.0; it is set to launch the default browser, which is dillo -- and URLs in emails are what I use a default browser for. Does this mean something in my Alpine settings (and my Pine 4.64 settings, which it took over) is wrong? My Fedora default browser setting is simply "dillo %s"; my Alpine setting is something I'll have to dig for, as it's buried way deep. -- Beartooth Oldfart, Double Retiree, Neo-Redneck, Linux Convert Remember, I have precious little idea what I am talking about.

Nov. 8, 2008

Feature Request

by Johannes.Hofmann＠gmx.de

On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 04:19:19PM -0500, me at swva wrote: > On Sat, 8 Nov 2008, Johannes Hofmann wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 03:40:08PM -0500, me at swva wrote: >>> >>> Dillo, alone of all browsers I know, cannot handle "www.site.xyz.com," >>> by simply converting it on the fly to "http://www.site.xyz.com" >> >> It works fine for me. >> Do you have an example where it doesn't work for you? >> What version of dillo are you using? > > Iirc, it has *always* done this to me, on all machines, for years out of > mind, on all URLs. > > Just to check, I did this as root : > > [root@Hbsk2 btth]# rpm -q dillo > dillo-0.8.6-7.fc9.i386 > [root@Hbsk2 btth]# yum update dillo > Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit > updates-newkey | 2.3 kB 00:00 > updates | 2.6 kB 00:00 > fedora | 2.4 kB 00:00 > Setting up Update Process > No Packages marked for Update > [root@Hbsk2 btth]# dillo-0.8.6 is no longer supported and you should consider to upgrade to dillo-2.0. But nevertheless for me it also works with dillo-0.8.6. If you enter "google.com" in the location bar and hit return it doesn't go to google?

Nov. 8, 2008

Feature Request

by Beartooth＠swva.net

On Sat, 8 Nov 2008, Johannes Hofmann wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 03:40:08PM -0500, me at swva wrote: >> >> Dillo, alone of all browsers I know, cannot handle "www.site.xyz.com," >> by simply converting it on the fly to "http://www.site.xyz.com" > > It works fine for me. > Do you have an example where it doesn't work for you? > What version of dillo are you using? Iirc, it has *always* done this to me, on all machines, for years out of mind, on all URLs. Just to check, I did this as root : [root@Hbsk2 btth]# rpm -q dillo dillo-0.8.6-7.fc9.i386 [root@Hbsk2 btth]# yum update dillo Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit updates-newkey | 2.3 kB 00:00 updates | 2.6 kB 00:00 fedora | 2.4 kB 00:00 Setting up Update Process No Packages marked for Update [root@Hbsk2 btth]# -- Beartooth Oldfart, Double Retiree, Neo-Redneck, Linux Convert Remember, I have precious little idea what I am talking about.

Nov. 8, 2008

Feature Request

by Johannes.Hofmann＠gmx.de

Hi, On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 03:40:08PM -0500, me at swva wrote: > > Dillo, alone of all browsers I know, cannot handle "www.site.xyz.com," > by simply converting it on the fly to "http://www.site.xyz.com" It works fine for me. Do you have an example where it doesn't work for you? What version of dillo are you using? Cheers, Johannes

Nov. 8, 2008

Feature Request

by Beartooth＠swva.net

Dillo, alone of all browsers I know, cannot handle "www.site.xyz.com," by simply converting it on the fly to "http://www.site.xyz.com" Is there some reason why not? Could it be implemented, or has it been, in the next release? I use Dillo by default, because it's fast and safe, and also more convenient to c&p from (by a country mile, if the URL is very long) than my email, in case I hit a site that it doesn't handle, but that I want a closer look at; or in case I want to bookmark it, or keep it open, in some other browser. Getting hung up on the absence of "http://" is a large, buzzing fly in that ointment. -- Beartooth Oldfart, Double Retiree, Neo-Redneck, Linux Convert Remember, I have precious little idea what I am talking about.

Nov. 8, 2008