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[marco@hep.uchicago.edu: Re: Dillo not compiling]

by Jorge Arellano Cid

-- Cheers Jorge.-

Feb. 6, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] PledgeBank ?

by Jorge Arellano Cid

Hi Johannes and R.L, Please excuse my delay to answer. Finally I found some time to address this. On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 05:25:49PM +0100, Johannes Hofmann wrote: > Hi Jorge, > > On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 08:56:47AM -0300, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote: > > > > Another important point is that we're not working with GTK1 > > anymore, but with FLTK2 (antialiasing, UTF-8, statical linking in > > 700KB, less dependencies, etc). We have an advanced prototype. > > This is important for potential developers. > > > > We're looking for interested developers to work on Dillo. This > > is also key to the success of the project. This is the kind of > > developer that not only sends patches but that contributes to the > > core of it. > > > > Sometime ago I asked in this list for interested developers and > > got only one answer for a "patch-developer" so to speak. > > I'm a long time dillo user and have some experience with fltk1 and > fltk2 from my small spare time projects. > I would be happy to contribute to the dillo project but my time > will be limited... "R.L. Horn" wrote: > > Sometime ago I asked in this list for interested developers and > >got only one answer for a "patch-developer" so to speak. > > Actually, I volunteered some time back and never got a response. I > haven't fiddled with FLTK development, but I reckon I could pick it up in > a week or so. Thanks for commiting some time to Dillo! PLease let me know a rough estimate of how much time could this be. Just to have an idea of what kind of task you both can work in based on your expertise and available time. At this moment, much of Dillo is quite similar to what we had in 0.8.x series. The main differences are: - Dw was ported to C++ (some new capabilities, similar API). - HTML/text/script parser was ported to C++. - The Concomitant callback chain was redesigned for simplicity. (Now, instead of one CCC branch per task, an anhanced universal branch handles Dpi, HTML, text and images). - Bug fixes/injections ;-) A great thing is that Dw is well documented (Doxygen), it has a testbed, it's isolated from Dillo and it can be studied comfortably. OTOH, there's a lot of middle/minor work to be done to complete its implementation. If I get your time availability it would be easier to plan with Sebastian what to suggest you to work on. Thanks a lot for your commitment. May thy example be followed by the listeners! :-) -- Cheers Jorge.-

Feb. 6, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] PledgeBank ?

by R.L. Horn

On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote: > Sometime ago I asked in this list for interested developers and > got only one answer for a "patch-developer" so to speak. Actually, I volunteered some time back and never got a response. I haven't fiddled with FLTK development, but I reckon I could pick it up in a week or so.

Feb. 2, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] PledgeBank ?

by Jorge Arellano Cid

Hi Vincent, On Mon, Jan 29, 2007 at 03:13:51AM +0100, Vincent Thomasset wrote: > Hi Jorge, > > What do you think of trying to raise some funds using pledgebank ? > I know this is not really the type of funding you're expecting for > Dillo, but it should be interesting to see if there's a response. > > Considering what recently happened to the nouveau project [1] > (someone raised 1300+ 10$ donations in their name), if think it > could be interesting to take the chance. Raising some funds, and to create awareness of what the current status of the Dillo project is, looks like a good idea. It would be important to let the readers know that we seek funds to be able to quit our jobs and to dedicate full time to work on Dillo for at least a year (when hopefully we could have secured some enterprise funding to continue). This is simply a too fast a moving target for two developers to chase working after hours. Another important point is that we're not working with GTK1 anymore, but with FLTK2 (antialiasing, UTF-8, statical linking in 700KB, less dependencies, etc). We have an advanced prototype. This is important for potential developers. We're looking for interested developers to work on Dillo. This is also key to the success of the project. This is the kind of developer that not only sends patches but that contributes to the core of it. Sometime ago I asked in this list for interested developers and got only one answer for a "patch-developer" so to speak. > On a related note, the FOSDEM will be held 5 minutes away from my > place, i could drop some "Fund Dillo" posters there to get some > publicity. > > What do you think ? I like FOSDEM!, was once there, and there're lots of different people attending it. From technical to management. If you can pass the above ideas (more or less deatiled in my previous posts too) with a broad target scope, it could certainly help the project, and we'd appreciate that. -- Cheers Jorge.- PS: you can also get some material from the articles posted in linuxdevices (look in www.dillo.org/press.html)

Feb. 1, 2007

PledgeBank ?

by Vincent Thomasset

Hi Jorge, What do you think of trying to raise some funds using pledgebank ? I know this is not really the type of funding you're expecting for Dillo, but it should be interesting to see if there's a response. Considering what recently happened to the nouveau project [1] (someone raised 1300+ 10$ donations in their name), if think it could be interesting to take the chance. On a related note, the FOSDEM will be held 5 minutes away from my place, i could drop some "Fund Dillo" posters there to get some publicity. What do you think ? Cheers, Vincent

Jan. 29, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] [grigory@cisnet.ru: an article about dillo]

by Jorge Arellano Cid

BTW, > I hope somebody will join the project. > Thank you for your greate browser. ;-) > It would be nice to see the FLTK beta source code available for > download. I see a lot of comments to the article like "gtk1 ? no i am > not interested in joining the project.". It would be more interesting to find comments like: "Hmmm, a new Dillo, with FLTK2, I'm interested in joining the project!" If that happens don't hesitate to contact me. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Jan. 25, 2007

[grigory@cisnet.ru: an article about dillo]

by Jorge Arellano Cid

-- Cheers Jorge.-

Jan. 25, 2007

Re: Your Web Pages

by Jorge Arellano Cid

Hi John, First of all, thanks for checking the project. Hero go some answers... On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 09:58:37PM -0800, John Gutierrez wrote: > Jorge, > > Will you site be updated anytime soon. Some of your pages have a date of > July 24, 2003 (funding.html). I check your site from time to time, but > rarely see new information. > > Plans.html has not had an update since August 2006. I would imagine that the > bullet colors would have changed by now. > > The ChangeLog.html shows a date of Apr 26, 2006 (no new version since then?) > > The FAQ.html still references version 8.4. and talks about FLTK port as of > 2005! > > Fosdem 2005 and LSM 2005 are OLD events - anything current? > > The Achievements (A_gols.html was last modified October 2,2006 - anything > new? The Dillo project is currently frozen. I'm expecting the vacation season in Germany to end to communicate with Sebastian and update the site with an official statement of the current situation. (I've tried to reach him since late 2006 so I assume he's on holidays). The latter time was spent trying to rise funds for continuing the development with at least two people working full time on it. Funding didn't happen so I had to take a job, and as Sebastian had a job, the situation now is we're both on a spare time basis that in practice has been close to nil. OTOH, the port to FLTK2 has gone very good with no surprises and a very good transition. The problem is lack of manpower because of lack of funds. The project is frozen because it is impossible to develop a web browser (very complex task), keeping pace with the evolving technologies, by working on a spare time basis. The web site will be updated after I have a virtual meeting to discuss the points with Sebastian, or in mid February, whatever comes first. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Jan. 11, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] dillo chat in Logroño/La Rioja/Spain

by Jorge Arellano Cid

Hi Diego, On Tue, Dec 05, 2006 at 12:39:17PM +0100, Diego . wrote: > Ok, but with FALSE (DwPage owns a button that owns the image) the button > fail to draw the alt text when can not load the image and do not use width > and height atributes of the html tag. > Using your patch and seting the parameter to TRUE it use width, height and > alt, but do not redraw alt text. > Without your patch dillo segfaults if that parameter is true. > > Diego. Not bad for a "quick hacky patch". ;-) You can use TRUE, most probably at the expense of memory leaks and maybe some side effect too. Handling "alt text" is not trivial though. Currently the DwButton with image acts as if the only child it can have is an image (dw_button.c). Handling of "alt text" involves implementing this button to handle two childs, one for alt text and another for the image. For instance, both could be added, and the button let to chose which one to draw depending on which one is NULL at a given time. Note that the image handling is asynchronous. You don't know if it will succeed at button creation time, so the button should check both children's size (for instance), and use a successful one given preference to the image. This clearly needs careful implementation. Now, dillo-0.8.6 uses the old C/GTK1 Dw, without abstraction layer. I'd prefer to work this problem out in the new C++/FLTK2 Dw with abstraction layer. If you want to implement this in C/GTK1 Dw, the above hints should get you started. -- Cheers Jorge.- > > > > 2006/12/2, Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org>: > > > >Hi Diego, > > > >On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 02:23:01AM +0100, Diego . wrote: > >> Very thanks for the fast patch and the advices. > >> One question ¿In Html_input_image why is the function Html_add_new_image > >> called with the FALSE parameter? > > > > Quick answer: > > > > Because the image is embedded inside a button that's already > >inside the DwPage. > > > > In other words: there's no need to add the image to the DwPage > >because the button "owns" the image (think of an object), thus > >only the button object needs to be added. > > > >-- > > Cheers > > Jorge.- > > > _______________________________________________ > Dillo-dev mailing list > Dillo-dev(a)dillo.org > http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev

Dec. 5, 2006

Re: [Dillo-dev] dillo chat in Logroño/La Rioja/Spain

by Diego .

Ok, but with FALSE (DwPage owns a button that owns the image) the button fail to draw the alt text when can not load the image and do not use width and height atributes of the html tag. Using your patch and seting the parameter to TRUE it use width, height and alt, but do not redraw alt text. Without your patch dillo segfaults if that parameter is true. Diego. 2006/12/2, Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org>: > > Hi Diego, > > On Fri, Dec 01, 2006 at 02:23:01AM +0100, Diego . wrote: > > Very thanks for the fast patch and the advices. > > One question ¿In Html_input_image why is the function Html_add_new_image > > called with the FALSE parameter? > > Quick answer: > > Because the image is embedded inside a button that's already > inside the DwPage. > > In other words: there's no need to add the image to the DwPage > because the button "owns" the image (think of an object), thus > only the button object needs to be added. > > -- > Cheers > Jorge.- >

Dec. 5, 2006