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by jcid＠dillo.org

On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 06:36:33PM +0200, Johannes Hofmann wrote: > Hi, > > here comes my proposal to get css support started. Note that I'm new > to this stuff so I will probabely simplify things a lot and miss many > issues that will have to be addressed later on. I like this approach, but please note I'm also new to CSS stuff. Sebastian was the main expert, and he used to give a lot of thought to things before implementing, so I'd rather keep what's in dw2 instead of removing/making changes, at least until more solid knowledge is gained. http://www.dillo.org/CSS.html was written circa 2003, so dw2 probably has a smoother design for CSS. Now, what I like of this approach is it's simplicity and that more or less it's understandable. :) > * Separate out the style handling from html.cc in a new class > StyleEngine (better name welcome). > This class will be fed the html tree via a SAX like interface as the > document is parsed and will hand out the current Style object. By "html tree" do you mean the generated DOM tree? (which scripting would need BTW). > * Initially StyleEngine will be implemented to just mimic the > current behaviour of html.cc. So after this step everything should > work as currently. * Does this mean StyleEngine should understand and parse plain HTML style attributes too (e.g. bgcolor="#FEFEFE")? (I assume it'll parse inline CSS). * Or will it get a style object made by the HTML parser? * In case of clash, which one takes precedence, HTML attribute or CSS style? Please elaborate a bit more on this. > * Then we can design the data structures to hold parsed css data and > make StyleEngine use these structures which will be statically > filled initially. > Again dillo should work as it does now. OK. > * Next we can implement a css parser that is able to fill the data > structures from the last step. > Now we should already be able to set a fixed user style sheet. OK. > * Hooking up the css parser to automatically load css information as > referenced in html pages would be next. OK. BTW, this is simple. > * In parallel to all this we would need to make floating objects > work in dw/textblock.cc. Yay! BTW, currently I don't know which of these two is more urgent: * floats in textblock. * DIV element. I'd say DIV. Anyway, I'd follow a bit the simple/complex CSS attributes division, and start with the simpler ones (as colors). Then go filling the gaps one at a time. > This approach has some issues. In contrast to > http://www.dillo.org/CSS.html it would only be possible to apply > style information that is available when starting parsing of a > document. However we could start rendering with what style > information is available and reload once all css files have been > loaded. It looks more than suitable for a first approach. Complex CSS attributes may change the widget tree. So a repush is necessary in this case anyway. > Currently dillo parses attributes on demand. So we don't have a > complete list of attributes and their values. As StyleEngine might > access any attribute, we might need to change this. > > Comments or more advanced plans would be more than welcome! Let's refine the plan, and once agreed, assign the tasks. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Oct. 24, 2008

claws? (Re: [Dillo-dev] Garbage chars added)

by paul＠claws-mail.org

On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 09:27:22 -0300 Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org> wrote: > The on/off img button sets the browser for future pages. That's > the desired behaviour. If you want to load the current page's images, > either "Load Images", or enable them with on/off button and reload. OK. Thanks for clearing that up! best regards Paul -- "Thanks to his green candle, the 'Pataphysician can lighten our darkness."

Oct. 24, 2008

claws? (Re: [Dillo-dev] Garbage chars added)

by jcid＠dillo.org

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 01:11:41PM +0100, Paul wrote: > On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:01:58 +0100 > Paul <paul(a)claws-mail.org> wrote: > > > On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:56:05 -0300 > > Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org> wrote: > > > > > As this was a "blind workaround" (i.e. not tested), would you mind > > > trying whether it works. It should start a dettached dillo2 window in > > > SPAM safe mode, with browser controls showing. > > > > I did test it, and it did work as you described. > > A slight correction to that... > > It does load the page with remote images not loaded. However whilst the 'Load > images' context menu item works, the img on/img off button in the lower right > has no effect. The on/off img button sets the browser for future pages. That's the desired behaviour. If you want to load the current page's images, either "Load Images", or enable them with on/off button and reload. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Oct. 24, 2008

claws? (Re: [Dillo-dev] Garbage chars added)

by paul＠claws-mail.org

On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:01:58 +0100 Paul <paul(a)claws-mail.org> wrote: > On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:56:05 -0300 > Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org> wrote: > > > As this was a "blind workaround" (i.e. not tested), would you mind > > trying whether it works. It should start a dettached dillo2 window in > > SPAM safe mode, with browser controls showing. > > I did test it, and it did work as you described. A slight correction to that... It does load the page with remote images not loaded. However whilst the 'Load images' context menu item works, the img on/img off button in the lower right has no effect. best regards Paul -- "Thanks to his green candle, the 'Pataphysician can lighten our darkness."

Oct. 24, 2008

claws? (Re: [Dillo-dev] Garbage chars added)

by paul＠claws-mail.org

Hello Jorge, On Fri, 24 Oct 2008 08:56:05 -0300 Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org> wrote: > As this was a "blind workaround" (i.e. not tested), would you mind > trying whether it works. It should start a dettached dillo2 window in > SPAM safe mode, with browser controls showing. I did test it, and it did work as you described. > As for proper implementation of those CLI switches in the future, > who should I contact? I assume by your email you're a good person to > ask. Sure, you can contact me directly. I'm in daily contact with the rest of the team, so it'll be fine. best regards Paul -- "Thanks to his green candle, the 'Pataphysician can lighten our darkness."

Oct. 24, 2008

claws? (Re: [Dillo-dev] Garbage chars added)

by jcid＠dillo.org

Hi Paul, On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 08:21:29AM +0100, Paul wrote: > [...] > "dillo -l -f -x XID URL" these options are known by the Claws Mail team, they > are built into the Claws Mail Dillo Browser plugin - iirc, they first > appeared in Dillo as a result of a discussion between Melvin, the developer > of the plugin, and the Dillo team. The Claws Mail users do know these > options, at least through the plugins preferences page, and, I would imagine, > the majority of them do use these options. imo, having the option to avoid > loading of remote content is crucial in an email app's html message display. Thanks for the info. > Athur F. Ucksayke from #claws is interested what command: "dillo -l -f > -x XID URL" is supposed to do? Is this documented? Not documented. In dillo2: - This enables the SPAM safe mode (no images/resource loading). - It doesn't embed the window because we don't yet know how to do it. - Full screen is ignored - The URL is shown. As this was a "blind workaround" (i.e. not tested), would you mind trying whether it works. It should start a dettached dillo2 window in SPAM safe mode, with browser controls showing. As for proper implementation of those CLI switches in the future, who should I contact? I assume by your email you're a good person to ask. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Oct. 24, 2008

claws? (Re: [Dillo-dev] Garbage chars added)

by paul＠claws-mail.org

Henri Salo <fgeek at hack.fi> wrote: > > > Tomas wrote: > > > > X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.0; i486-pc-linux-gnu) > > > > > > Just noticed this. Is claws able to make much use of dillo2? > > > Jorge put in a special-case workaround for "dillo -l -f -x XID URL" > > > right before release, but I don't know whether anyone's using it > > > (or if any claws users even know it's there) > > > > > > Hmm...a moment of searching and the first hit I get is > > > http://www.nabble.com/Using-of-Dillo2-td20014194.html > > > which suggests that, no, they don't know. > > > > Athur F. Ucksayke from #claws is interested what command: "dillo -l -f > > -x XID URL" is supposed to do? Is this documented? > > It seems to be so that I didn't really understood or even think about > the name (or more more closely the joke) and this should show to the > community how well people in some projects would like to get contacts > and help things to work. It doesn't show anything like that. It is possible to be serious and mix that with humour, just as it is possible to tell a joke but make a serious point. Mr Ucksayke has been part of the Claws Mail team since day 1, and you don't give up that much of your time over so many years just in order to make low-brow jokes. Since this is seeming way off-topic, I'll bring it back... "dillo -l -f -x XID URL" these options are known by the Claws Mail team, they are built into the Claws Mail Dillo Browser plugin - iirc, they first appeared in Dillo as a result of a discussion between Melvin, the developer of the plugin, and the Dillo team. The Claws Mail users do know these options, at least through the plugins preferences page, and, I would imagine, the majority of them do use these options. imo, having the option to avoid loading of remote content is crucial in an email app's html message display. > Minus points to Athur U. as in claws. Athur U.'s points reset to zero. regards Paul -- "Thanks to his green candle, the 'Pataphysician can lighten our darkness."

Oct. 24, 2008

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by jcid＠dillo.org

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:02:49PM +0200, Andreas Kemnade wrote: > On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:37:56 -0300 > Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org> wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:34:14PM +0300, Henri Salo wrote: > > > Why is there still also this sourceforge-list in use? "In use" as in > > > getting spammed. > > > > > > http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=dillo-dev&max_rows=… > > > > /me surprised! > > > > AFAIK they don't allow withdrawing projects, > > I guess is part of their policy. > > > But you can disable parts of the functionality (like mailinglists, forum, etc.) > That should help. Done. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Oct. 24, 2008

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by akemnade＠tzi.de

On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:37:56 -0300 Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:34:14PM +0300, Henri Salo wrote: > > Why is there still also this sourceforge-list in use? "In use" as in > > getting spammed. > > > > http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=dillo-dev&max_rows=… > > /me surprised! > > AFAIK they don't allow withdrawing projects, > I guess is part of their policy. > But you can disable parts of the functionality (like mailinglists, forum, etc.) That should help. Greetings Andreas Kemnade

Oct. 23, 2008

claws? (Re: [Dillo-dev] Garbage chars added)

by fgeek＠hack.fi

On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:12:29 +0300 Henri Salo <fgeek(a)hack.fi> wrote: > On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:31:14 +0000 > "corvid" <corvid(a)lavabit.com> wrote: > > > Tomas wrote: > > > X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.0; i486-pc-linux-gnu) > > > > Just noticed this. Is claws able to make much use of dillo2? > > Jorge put in a special-case workaround for "dillo -l -f -x XID URL" > > right before release, but I don't know whether anyone's using it > > (or if any claws users even know it's there) > > > > Hmm...a moment of searching and the first hit I get is > > http://www.nabble.com/Using-of-Dillo2-td20014194.html > > which suggests that, no, they don't know. > > Athur F. Ucksayke from #claws is interested what command: "dillo -l -f > -x XID URL" is supposed to do? Is this documented? It seems to be so that I didn't really understood or even think about the name (or more more closely the joke) and this should show to the community how well people in some projects would like to get contacts and help things to work. Minus points to Athur U. as in claws. -- Henri Salo <fgeek at hack.fi> +358407705733 GPG ID: 2EA46E4F fp: 14D0 7803 BFF6 EFA0 9998 8C4B 5DFE A106 2EA4 6E4F

Oct. 23, 2008