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Browser tabs vs. window manager tabs, again (Was: [Dillo-dev] Proposal: United Dillo)

by Jyri Jokinen

On Mon, Nov 24, 2003 at 12:12:49PM +0100, Stephan Goetter wrote: > > I said "browser tabs". Window manager level window grouping is ok, > > and renders browser tabs useless. That was/is the point. This stuff is on the way of becoming off topic to the list, please try to keep it attleast somewhat Dillo related if you reply (or reply off list). > I'm using fluxbox as well and still do use dillo-tabs heavily. Why? I don't know. Because you are using a window manager with a bad implementation of the concept of window grouping? > With Frank's patch I do just open one window per news-site and every > message in a new sub-tab. My open window-tabs still get clear i.e. <20 > instead of having 50 mixed. This by no means is impossible with window manager window grouping. Instead of having to nest windows, why don't you open a new group for different news sites? Also, can you move browser tabs around your browser windows, that are all around your viewports and workspaces, when it becomes necessary? About nesting - when is there enough? How deep do you want to dive, and when does it become unusable? Next you want subtabs to your web broser so you can "group what you are doing" better and better. Never did you consider of just opening different windows for those groups. > So the can-be-done-with-window-manager-as-well argument doesn't really > exist for me. I don't undestand why you insist using a window manager that doesn't do what you want, and you have to rely on application based extensions to do those things instead. Thus, there is code dublication and implementations that differ from application to application, multiplied configuration process needed for every application - oh, and probably twice the bugs too. This situation really can't be for the good of anyone. I'm somewhat sorry to see Dillo go tabs, even it serves some of the project goals (even those who are using a window manager they really don't want to use and can't change it for a reason or another have the bliss of tabs). I bet we get a kitchen sink too at some point for the same reasons (even those with no kitchen sink can see a kitchen sink). But I do think I've said this enough times allready. Please reply off the list if you have additional questions or points to make. -- shared, pekwm people

Nov. 24, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] gcc 2.95 doesn't know about -Wno-unused-parameter

by Jorge Arellano Cid

On Sun, 23 Nov 2003, David McKee wrote: > Jorge, > I suppose you're getting tired of hearing about my ancient Redhat > system, but my gcc doesn't believe in -Wno-unused-parameters, preferning > "-Wno-unused". > > Easy enough to fix by hand. -Wno-unused is a different thing: it eliminates all the "unused" type warnings. That's not the desired effect (`info gcc` for details). If you add a simple way to test whether gcc accepts the warning option, in configure.in, it'd be ok. > Perhaps I should look nto configure in my copious spare time. Cheers Jorge.-

Nov. 24, 2003

[PATCH] Version 16 of tab/frame/kbnav/etc patch is ready

by Frank de Lange

Hi'all, The next version (16) of my tab/frame/keyboard navigation patch is ready (see bottom of this message for download instructions). This is mainly a bug-fix and CVS resync release. For an overview of the new features in this release, see the posting I made to the list on version 15. Fixed bugs ---------- keyboard navigation - erroneously highlighted link after leaving a form element, was caused by wrong function call order in focus_next_link. Fixed. keywords - problem with keywords separated by more than one space is fixed. Keywords can now be separated by any whitespace character, including newlines (but don't forget that you still have to enclose the whole keywords string in double quotes for the parser to recognize it!). splash screem - the splash screen is now installed in $(datadir)/dillo/dillo.html CVS date/time ============= The patch is made against CVS as it was on 20031124@13:18 GMT. It should apply against CVS as it was on 20031121(a)21.33 GMT and later. For those who can not or do not want to use CVS, a snapshot can be found here: http://www.geocities.com/ikbenfrank/dillo-200311241318.tar.gz Tabs, Frames and browser bloat ============================== version: 0.8.0-pre patch: dillo-20031124-tabs.patch.gz unpatched: 297204 bytes patched: 333460 bytes (gcc 3.2.2, binutils 2.13.90.0.18, CFLAGS "-Os") Download instructions ===================== The patch is made against 20031124@13:18 GMT CVS. Do not forget to run ./autogen.sh after applying the patch. You can find the patch on the usual (ad-happy, use an ad-blocking proxy or sane browser) site: http://www.geocities.com/ikbenfrank/ More specifically: Dillo 0.8.0-pre (CVS) ===================== http://www.geocities.com/ikbenfrank/dillo-20031124-tabs.patch.gz size: 117192 bytes (gzipped, as downloaded) 531247 bytes (uncompressed) md5sum: 387f4dd85ead27de04d6527cc71504f5 (gzipped, as downloaded) 23ef8335f885d5657c75c7e9e0e18a3c (uncompressed) As always, check the site for the most recent version Cheers//Frank -- WWWWW ________________________ ## o o\ / Frank de Lange \ }# \| / +46-734352015 \ \ `--| _/ <Hacker for Hire> \ `---' \ +31-640037120 / \ frank(a)unternet.org / `------------------------' [ "Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est." ] -- WWWWW ________________________ ## o o\ / Frank de Lange \ }# \| / +46-734352015 \ \ `--| _/ <Hacker for Hire> \ `---' \ +31-640037120 / \ frank(a)unternet.org / `------------------------' [ "Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est." ]

Nov. 24, 2003

[PATCH] Version 5 of kbnav patch is ready

by Frank de Lange

Hi'all, The next version (5) of my keyboard navigation patch is ready. See the end of this message for download instructions. Do note that the tab/frame patch already contains this functionality, so there is no need (and no way) to apply this patch on top of that or the other way around. This release does not add any new features, it is mainly a bug fix and CVS resync release. For more info on what this patch does, see the doc/Keyboard_Navigation.txt document (after applying the patch, naturally...) Fixed bugs ---------- - erroneously highlighted link after leaving a form element, was caused by wrong function call order in focus_next_link. Fixed. CVS date/time ============= The patch is made against CVS as it was on 20031124@13:18 GMT. It should apply against CVS as it was on 20031121(a)21.33 GMT and later. For those who can not or do not want to use CVS, a snapshot can be found here: http://www.geocities.com/ikbenfrank/dillo-200311241318.tar.gz Download instructions ===================== There is currently only one version of the patch, made against 2003124@13:18GMT CVS. As always, have a look at the patch website (http://www.geocities.com/ikbenfrank/) for the latest version of the patch. This patch does NOT apply on top of the tab/frame patch, and the tab/frame patch does not apply on top of this one! The tab/frame patch already contains this functionality, so it is not needed. http://www.geocities.com/ikbenfrank/dillo-200311241458-kbnav.patch.gz size: 30633 bytes (gzipped, as downloaded) 152984 bytes (uncompressed) md5sum: 0ed60695cab750669f3d50c201bdf217 (gzipped, as downloaded) 20aeb6b96e551cd8f4fa65ac5d74ef9e (uncompressed) Cheers//Frank -- WWWWW ________________________ ## o o\ / Frank de Lange \ }# \| / +46-734352015 \ \ `--| _/ <Hacker for Hire> \ `---' \ +31-640037120 / \ frank(a)unternet.org / `------------------------' [ "Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est." ]

Nov. 24, 2003

RPM Latest Frame tabs patch with basic authentication:

by Ronald W. Henderson

Folks: Could someone direct me to a location that has a RPM built with the latest Frame and Tabs patch but also basic authenitcation code. I find dillo as an excellent browser but the lack of basic authentication as a standard built in feature limits my use. Today, many networking Vendor's support a web interface for administation of their product and typically require basic authentication for login. I would like to use dillo as my browser for administration purposes. I appreciate your support on this excellent browser! ---Ron Henderson

Nov. 24, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] [PATCH] Version 15 of tab/frame/kbnav/etc patch, now with keywords and more...

by Frank de Lange

Paul Pelzl wrote: > Now that I look at the problem again, I appear to have misdiagnosed it. > >It looks like the problem is with multiple spaces between keywords, not >with newlines. I've attached an example that causes a segfault after >entering any URL in the location bar. > >keywords = "s:http://www.google.com/search?q=%s ~:file:~" > > OK, solved this one as well. g_strsplit creates an empty string when two or more consecutive split-characters are encountered (quite reasonable behaviour, but not what I want for keywords) and the keywords processing code was not prepared for empty keywords (this in constrast to keywords with empty URLs which were handled OK). Is fixed in my code now, I'll release a new version of the patch with all recent fixes, made against the most recent version of CVS today or tomorrow. Cheers//Frank -- WWWWW ________________________ ## o o\ / Frank de Lange \ }# \| / +46-734352015 \ \ `--| _/ <Hacker for Hire> \ `---' \ +31-640037120 / \ frank(a)unternet.org / `------------------------' [ "Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est." ]

Nov. 24, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] Proposal: United Dillo

by Stephan Goetter

Am Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 10:59:47PM +0200 schrieb Jyri Jokinen und sprach: > On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 08:48:56PM +0100, Indan Zupancic wrote: > > > > I think it's the stupidest idea since browser tabs. (*) > > Thanks for your (honest and to the point) oppinion, but really, 50 windows > > open, and you hate tabs? > > I said "browser tabs". Window manager level window grouping is ok, > and renders browser tabs useless. That was/is the point. > > I don't like seeing code duplication, and certainly not somewhere it > doesn't belong. Web browsers should help the user with web browsing, > window managers with window managing. > I'm using fluxbox as well and still do use dillo-tabs heavily. Why? If you want to read 30 news messages in a seperate window (fast open- and closeable) I would have 30 additional window-manager tabs. With Frank's patch I do just open one window per news-site and every message in a new sub-tab. My open window-tabs still get clear i.e. <20 instead of having 50 mixed. So the can-be-done-with-window-manager-as-well argument doesn't really exist for me. Stephan

Nov. 24, 2003

gcc 2.95 doesn't know about -Wno-unused-parameter

by David McKee

Jorge, I suppose you're getting tired of hearing about my ancient Redhat system, but my gcc doesn't believe in -Wno-unused-parameters, preferning "-Wno-unused". Easy enough to fix by hand. Perhaps I should look nto configure in my copious spare time. Thanks, -- -- David McKee -- dmckee(a)jlab.org -- (757) 269-7492 (Office)

Nov. 24, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] [PATCH] Version 15 of tab/frame/kbnav/etc patch, now with keywords and more...

by Frank de Lange

Paul Pelzl wrote: >On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 04:46:31PM +0100, Frank de Lange wrote: > > >>The next version (15) of my tab/frame/keyboard navigation patch is >>ready (see bottom of this message for download instructions). >> >> > >I've got a couple of early bugs to report: > >1) when using kbnav to move from a link to an entry box in a form, the > most recently selected link is not properly deselected. Example: > google.com. > > OK, solved this one. It was not related to the reported rendering problem with Dw (which still exists), but to the new focus_in/focus_out handling code which unhighlights a focused link when the viewport loses focus, and highlights it when it regains focus. Fix will be included in next patch... Thanks for the bug report! Cheers//Frank -- WWWWW ________________________ ## o o\ / Frank de Lange \ }# \| / +46-734352015 \ \ `--| _/ <Hacker for Hire> \ `---' \ +31-640037120 / \ frank(a)unternet.org / `------------------------' [ "Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est." ]

Nov. 23, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] Sigh... CVS out of sync 5 minutes after I upload my patches

by Indan Zupancic

> From now on I will always include the CVS code on which the patch was > based to get around these irritating synchronisation problems. > > Indan, if you want to update your HTTPS patch, may I suggest you use > this source code tarball instead of current Dillo CVS? This way we are > less dependent on the state of CVS... I use the -D option in my install script, and I rewrote the thing so I could just give the date at the top and it will download and install the correct CVS and patches, but now that won't work... To make matters worse, I also updated my https code to the current CVS (which didn't change for two days..). I would appreciate it a lot if you make a patch against the current state of CVS and give the file the usual name. I use FILE1="dillo-${YEAR}${MONTH}${DAY}-tabs.patch.gz" in my script, so it's very easy to update when there's a new version. I could add hours and minutes, but I'd rather leave those out, and when you make a updated version, I also don't have to "downdate" my code/patch. Another possibility is that you make a link named dillo-$DATE-tabs.patch.gz where DATE is the date of the Dillo CVS version that works with your patch, and points to the dillo-$RELEASE_DATE-tabs.patch.gz file. You don't have to host the Dillo source you used, not for me anyway, I won't use it, all I need to know is the date of the CVS you used, and sometimes the time too ;-). I think the install script causes more exposure, because it makes it very easy to get a patched Dillo; people don't even have to know what CVS is. The new https patch will be out soon, maybe even today, so you may expect a new installer soon. Greetings, Indan

Nov. 23, 2003