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Re: [Dillo-dev] Campaign to help Dillo survive

by Alan Carvalho de Assis

Hi all, the campaign's document is very good. Very informative. Thanks for all!!! Alan

Oct. 2, 2006

Re: [Dillo-dev] Campaign to help Dillo survive

by Alan Carvalho de Assis

Hi Vincent, On 10/1/06, Vincent Thomasset <vincent.thomasset(a)skynet.be> wrote: > Hi, > > I did some more modifications, hope it's alright. Could anybody check to > see if everything is correct ? > The document is becoming very good! > Now on to some thoughts > > I think the document would gain to simply be an open letter type of > document, ie wipe out every technical aspect from it (except from the > obvious description of dillo, as well as the goals and current state of > the project) and just explain the situation. The document could simply > point to the website for further infos on the technical side so as to > keep the document as short and on focus as possible. > Vincent, I think it need to be an open letter too. There is no so much technical terms. Everybody can understand it. Anyway we need to detach dillo qualities. I think it is becoming a very interesting open letter to specialized embedded system media. > As a side note, i also think this type of effort would get more > reaction/attention if the final document would be posted on dillo's > homepage. Sure, it can be posted at dillo.org if dillo author to desire. My other idea is send it to specialized media ie linuxdevices.com and slashdot.com, but to us to do it we need Jorge's agreement. > Cheers, Thank you very much, > Vincent > Alan

Oct. 1, 2006

Re: [Dillo-dev] Campaign to help Dillo survive

by Vincent Thomasset

Hi, I did some more modifications, hope it's alright. Could anybody check to see if everything is correct ? Now on to some thoughts I think the document would gain to simply be an open letter type of document, ie wipe out every technical aspect from it (except from the obvious description of dillo, as well as the goals and current state of the project) and just explain the situation. The document could simply point to the website for further infos on the technical side so as to keep the document as short and on focus as possible. As a side note, i also think this type of effort would get more reaction/attention if the final document would be posted on dillo's homepage. Cheers, Vincent

Oct. 1, 2006

Re: [Dillo-dev] Campaign to help Dillo survive

by Alan Carvalho de Assis

Hi Joonas, On 9/30/06, Joonas Saarinen <jza(a)saunalahti.fi> wrote: > This is an interesting idea! I made some typo fixes and clarifications > to the page myself too. I see your fixes and clarifications, very nice!!! I hope more people collaborate with this idea. > I also hope for the document to become powerful enough to wake interest > in the embedded/mobile industry. Others, feel free to contribute too. > Yes, it will be... If others just give a little contribution it will become powerful soon. Best regards, Alan

Sept. 30, 2006

Re: [Dillo-dev] Campaign to help Dillo survive

by Joonas Saarinen

Alan Carvalho de Assis wrote: > Hi all, > I am writing a document to convince some company to help Dillo > project. This is an interesting idea! I made some typo fixes and clarifications to the page myself too. I also hope for the document to become powerful enough to wake interest in the embedded/mobile industry. Others, feel free to contribute too.

Sept. 30, 2006

Re: [Dillo-dev] Campaign to help Dillo survive

by Alan Carvalho de Assis

Hi Vincent, On 9/30/06, Vincent Thomasset <vincent.thomasset(a)skynet.be> wrote: > On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 09:27:21 -0600 > > I am writing a document to convince some company to help Dillo > > project. > > Great idea! > Thanks. > > First of all, i think this type of document should be written by > someone with a better English level and more closely related to > Dillo's development (no offense). ;-) > Sure, I am not a native and my english is too bad ... Good, I think your english is better than my english! :) Even if you don't have know about Dillo internals your help is welcome, give us your 2cts. > About your argument, i'm not sure those companies you listed would be > sensible to the fact that it is good to have an embedded open source > browser (at least not for the sake of it). I think they'd be more > likely to listen to the "what can Dillo offer you ?" or "why would you > want to middle/long term support this project ?" type of questions. > Yes, I agree with you. It need to be directed to companies necessity, but it is not fully technical issues, there is other non technical problems related. > Anyway, i assume Jorge already has gone through some of the questions > this document needs answering to, so maybe he is the most appropriate > person to help writing it (or to direct companies to if they would > like further informations). Yes, I agree newly. But everybody think everything is Jorge's work, if nobody begin to help Dillo will really die. > I salute your idea and wish the best to Dillo. > Thank you very much, I am waiting your help too :-) > Cheers, Cheers, > Vincent > Alan P.S.: Sorry I forgot do send for all.

Sept. 30, 2006

Re: [Dillo-dev] Campaign to help Dillo survive

by Vincent Thomasset

On Sat, 30 Sep 2006 09:27:21 -0600 "Alan Carvalho de Assis" <acassis(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, Hi, > I am writing a document to convince some company to help Dillo > project. Great idea! > I think it is an idea we need fight for. > > I invite everybody to help to improve this document, when we get a > powerful document we will send it for some friends at Nokia, Motorola > and others. > > The early version can found here: > > http://fornix.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Campaign_to_help_Dillo_survive > > Be free do edit this wiki. First of all, i think this type of document should be written by someone with a better English level and more closely related to Dillo's development (no offense). ;-) About your argument, i'm not sure those companies you listed would be sensible to the fact that it is good to have an embedded open source browser (at least not for the sake of it). I think they'd be more likely to listen to the "what can Dillo offer you ?" or "why would you want to middle/long term support this project ?" type of questions. Anyway, i assume Jorge already has gone through some of the questions this document needs answering to, so maybe he is the most appropriate person to help writing it (or to direct companies to if they would like further informations). I salute your idea and wish the best to Dillo. > Thank you, Cheers, Vincent

Sept. 30, 2006

Campaign to help Dillo survive

by Alan Carvalho de Assis

Hi all, I am writing a document to convince some company to help Dillo project. I think it is an idea we need fight for. I invite everybody to help to improve this document, when we get a powerful document we will send it for some friends at Nokia, Motorola and others. The early version can found here: http://fornix.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Campaign_to_help_Dillo_survive Be free do edit this wiki. Thank you, -- ------------------------------------------------------------ | Alan Carvalho de Assis | ------------------------------------------------------------ -- Não importa o que os outros irão pensar, A cura para a infelicidade é a felicidade

Sept. 30, 2006

Re: [Dillo-dev] Dillo FLTK CVS

by Alan Carvalho de Assis

Hi Michal, On 9/29/06, Michal Nowak <xnowak01(a)stud.fit.vutbr.cz> wrote: > Hi Alan, > > well I am not sure how you could do it i(=desktop@floppy) but I think > Dillo will be quite large with staticaly linked with fltk2. > Do you know how large is it? > May I ask you, how many space have you got on the floppy? Or you mean > "the floppy" (1.4 MiB)? It would be great proof of concept... Well, I am formatting it at 1.74 MB, and I will use compressed fs (squashfs). I think it will get ~ 3MB. Kernel: ~ 600KB (I am using kernel-tiny patch) Kdrive: ~ 600KB (I am using uClibc) Dillo-fltk: < 1.8 MB > The troubles with funds... it's quite longstanding problem. Dillo neads > fulltime dev or two. There are companies which has Dillo build in their > products and sold them, well, that's OK, but thay give nothing back... > just sitting and waiting for Jorge. Comunity of Dillo is rather small, > people from developed countrie have fast computers -> lack of hunger for > such think Dillo is. Probably nobody will pay for releasing "another > browser", coz hey have ff, opera, konq etc. Dillo will be the best option for cheap linux cell phones. Then when these cell phone companies realise it is a best option it will invest. To do it we need emphasize Dillo qualities: the faster browser ever, the smallest footprint, etc. It is just "blow one's own horn" :) > But you can help Dillo with submitting code, if ou want to :). Doing a small linux distro I will help to demonstre as powerful dillo is. And it will demonstre too the small dillo footprint. > CU, > Michal > Cheers, Alan

Sept. 29, 2006

Re: [Dillo-dev] Dillo FLTK CVS

by Alan Carvalho de Assis

Hi Michal, sure, now I understand, I found it: http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/pipermail/dillo-dev/2006-March/002933.html My idea is to create a prove of concepts: I want create a graphical desktop on single floppy with web browser, without dillo-fltk it will be not possible. I wise Jorge get funds soon. Maybe an idea is do like blender was some times ago: ask users to help with money to he release the source code. It is not the better idea, but maybe can get results. Cheers, Alan On 9/29/06, Michal Nowak <newman.x(a)seznam.cz> wrote: > Hi Alan, > > please take some time to read this mailing list's archive and I am sure > you will understand all. Search for posts from Jorge a the keyword are > "fund", "funds", "funding". > > Michal > > > On 18:19 Fri 29 Sep , Alan Carvalho de Assis wrote: > > Hi Michal, > > thank you very much. > > I live in Brazil, it is so far Jorge's home :) > > > > Jorge, is there a possibility to share it with us? > > > > Best regards, > > > > Alan > > > > On 9/29/06, Michal Nowak <newman.x(a)seznam.cz> wrote: > > >I guess the fltk version is on Jorge's own PC, isn't it :). > > >Go there and take a look on it :). > > > > > >The fltk version is not yet released and who knows if it ever > > >be... > > > > > >Michal Nowak > > > > > > > > >On 15:34 Fri 29 Sep , Alan Carvalho de Assis wrote: > > >> Hi people, > > >> I am new in this list and I have a silly question. > > >> > > >> I want to compile dillo with no GTK libs. I already compiled > > >> kdrive > > >> and fltk with uClibc, now I just need to compile dillo. > > >> > > >> My problem is where to find the dillo fltk tree, I download > > >the > > >> default CVS tree (dillo module), but it is not fully fltk, > > >> just the > > >> download.cc use fltk. I search at mail list and google, but > > >> don't find > > >> anything. > > >> > > >> Where can I download the dillo fltk source code? I know it > > >is > > >> in > > >> development, but it is not problem. > > >> > > >> Thank you, > > >> > > >> -- > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> | Alan Carvalho de Assis > > >| > > >> ------------------------------------------------------------ > > >> -- > > >> Não importa o que os outros irão pensar, > > >> A cura para a infelicidade é a felicidade > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Dillo-dev mailing list > > >> Dillo-dev(a)dillo.org > > >> > > >http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Dillo-dev mailing list > > >Dillo-dev(a)dillo.org > > >http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev > > > > > > > > > -- > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > | Alan Carvalho de Assis | > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > -- > > Não importa o que os outros irão pensar, > > A cura para a infelicidade é a felicidade > > _______________________________________________ > Dillo-dev mailing list > Dillo-dev(a)dillo.org > http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev > -- ------------------------------------------------------------ | Alan Carvalho de Assis | ------------------------------------------------------------ -- Não importa o que os outros irão pensar, A cura para a infelicidade é a felicidade

Sept. 29, 2006