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Re: [Dillo-dev]dillo-0.8.3-rc1.tar.bz2: bug

by Jorge Arellano Cid

Matthias, On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 01:52:40PM +0200, Matthias Franz wrote: > Hi everybody, > > the rendering is really much better in the 0.8.3 version. Well done! > > Unfortunately, I'm experiencing problems with the new version that > I've never had with 0.8.2: > > 1. Dillo displays a page without the embedded GIF image, showing the > alternate text instead. It starts consuming all cpu time, but still > responds to keyboard and mouse input (history navigation; no new pages > are displayed). > > 2. Dillo doesn't display a page at all. Cpu/input behaviour as before. > > The problems only occur with certain local files, not http pages. > Moreover, they don't occur deterministically. They seem to happen > somewhat more often if one follows a link instead of loading a page > from the command line. > > The "bad" pages are from some documentation I've written, available at > http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~franz/convex/doc/current/ . > But remember that so far the problems have only occurred with local files. > You can download the complete documentation (roughly 80 kB) at > http://www-fourier.ujf-grenoble.fr/~franz/convex/files/current/convex-doc.t… > (gunzip it in a new directory). > > Problem 1 occurs with the page "about.html" (link "About this document" > on the main page "index.html"). It happens in about 50% of all cases. > It does not depend on the setting of w3c_plus_heuristics in dillorc. > > Problem 2 ocurred so far with the pages "PFACE.html" (link: Operators and > functions "for PFACE") and "GFDL.html" (link "GNU free document license"). > This problem is extremely rare, though (2 or 3 times in all). I tried a few times with and without dpid already running and can't reproduce it on my machine. I'll keep trying to get a way or hint on it, this is just to let you know. It is very hard to try to debug a problem you don't know how to reproduce. The good news is that I found a way to crash the current file-dpi by hitting reload quickly. This didn't happen with 0.8.2, so I'll start investigating here hoping it gets me to the root of the same problem. If someone here on the mailing list can reporduce it at home, a report on how it happens or not would also be welcomed. > [...] > Sorry for reporting the bug rather late after Jorge's email, > but I came across this problem only yesterday. No problem. It looks like we'll have to delay the release and make an rc2. -- Cheers Jorge.- PS: I kept waiting some patches from you. What happened? Or is it my head that lost track of them... ;-)

Oct. 6, 2004

Re: [Dillo-dev]which version does this patch file patch

by Phil Blundell

on Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 02:29:25PM -0400, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote: > Sometimes I wonder why PDAs and handhelds went with GTK2 Two main reasons: firstly that it provides numerous new widgets and other features not found in GTK1 (anti-aliased text, multi-display support, UTF-8, etc) and secondly that the vast majority of interesting applications are written to use GTK2 nowadays. Virtually nobody is developing software for GTK1 anymore. > That's 26MB instead of 4MB! I've no idea what Slackware put in their packages, but GTK2 certainly doesn't take 26MB of disk space. > And GTK2 is much slower than GTK1 which on low-CPU-power is a > problem. True enough. I don't personally have any interest in anything slower than about 200 MIPS, and GTK2 runs at a perfectly respectable speed on that kind of hardware. But I can see that this would be a concern for people working on really slow machines. p.

Oct. 6, 2004

Re: [Dillo-dev]0.8.3rc1 test

by Lars Segerlund

I would consider trying to do a gtk2 port, or is this discouraged ? The reason is that gtk2 seem's to be the most used toolkit these days, also it's available using cairo for rendering :-) .. ( hardware acceleration, glitz ). I have to give it a good thinkover berore I commit to it though. / Lars Segerlund. On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:32:32 -0400 Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org> wrote: > On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 02:20:42PM +0200, Matthias Franz wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 10:19:46AM +0200, Florent BERANGER wrote: > > > see the http://fr.wikipedia.org web page for exemple. > > > > This page is encoded in UTF-8. > > > > See http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html for more on UTF-8. > > > > It would certainly be nice if Dillo accepted UTF-8 encoding > > of ISO-8859-1, but at present this is not the case. > > Matthias is right. > > Our idea is to switch Dillo to FLTK and then to handle strings > in UTF8, the other encodings can be converted to it. > > FLTK is not as far as it seems. After dillo-0.8.3 is released, > Sebastian will merge the new Dw abstraction layer. We also have a > testbed to test Dw over another widget set (in this case FLTK). > Once the Dw testbed works over FLTK, the next step is to do the > same with the Dw inside Dillo, and finally to port Dillo's GUI to > FLTK (a simple task because our GUI is no rocket science). > > Manpower is highly appreciated. > > -- > Cheers > Jorge.- > > _______________________________________________ > Dillo-dev mailing list > Dillo-dev(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de > http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev

Oct. 6, 2004

Re: [Dillo-dev]dillo-0.8.3-rc1.tar.bz2: bug

by Jorge Arellano Cid

On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 06:55:00PM +0200, Thorben Thuermer wrote: > On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:52:40 +0200 > Matthias Franz <Matthias.Franz(a)ujf-grenoble.fr> wrote: > > > 1. Dillo displays a page without the embedded GIF image, showing the > > alternate text instead. It starts consuming all cpu time, but still > > responds to keyboard and mouse input (history navigation; no new pages > > are displayed). > > > > 2. Dillo doesn't display a page at all. Cpu/input behaviour as before. > > > > The problems only occur with certain local files, not http pages. > > Moreover, they don't occur deterministically. They seem to happen > > somewhat more often if one follows a link instead of loading a page > > from the command line. > [...] > > But remember that so far the problems have only occurred with local files. > > this is actually the brokenness of the dpi subsystem you are seeing there > (file: was recently switched to be a dpi instead of native), and this > behaviour occurs with all dpis (file, ftp, https, custom filter ones...) > you're also lucky it "only" hangs, i see both dillo and dpid regularly > crashing... I'll try to look at your report today Matthias. People having troubles with the new dpi-based "file:" handling, or other dpis, by all means please report how. A way to reproduce, the best that you can provide. That way we can work on the bugs that otherwise we may remain unaware of. Like these. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Oct. 6, 2004

Re: [Dillo-dev]which version does this patch file patch

by Jorge Arellano Cid

On Wed, Oct 06, 2004 at 04:54:28PM +0100, Phil Blundell wrote: > on Tue, Oct 05, 2004 at 09:18:27AM +0100, Jeremy Henty wrote: > > > > On Mon, Oct 04, 2004 at 11:37:33AM -0700, Linda J. Laubenheimer wrote: > > > Oh, well, no Dillo on my thin box. > > > > Why not? Gtk+-2 is designed to work alongside gtk+-1 with no > > problems. I have had them both installed for a couple of years, > > running dillo and other gtk+-1 and gtk+-2 applications. It's all > > worked out of the box with no problems. > > Probably because installing GTK1 (and all the associated other bits that it > needs, like glib and the legacy X fonts) would take too much disk space. On a > modern system you probably aren't going to have any other GTK1-based > applications, and it's hard to justify installing those extra things just for > Dillo. Sometimes I wonder why PDAs and handhelds went with GTK2. For instance, in Slackware: PACKAGE NAME: gtk+-1.2.10-i386-3 COMPRESSED PACKAGE SIZE: 1534 K UNCOMPRESSED PACKAGE SIZE: 4420 K PACKAGE NAME: gtk+2-2.4.3-i486-1 COMPRESSED PACKAGE SIZE: 5946 K UNCOMPRESSED PACKAGE SIZE: 26350 K That's 26MB instead of 4MB! And GTK2 is much slower than GTK1 which on low-CPU-power is a problem. > In the Familiar project, we are still using Dillo 0.6.7, because that's the > only version that I could find with working GTK2 patches. Some of our target > machines have only 16MB of memory, and we'd have to remove a significant amount > of other functionality to make space for a GTK1-based Dillo. The good news, is that after we go FLTK, a statically linked dillo binary could be made. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Oct. 6, 2004

Re: [Dillo-dev]which version does this patch file patch

by Jorge Arellano Cid

> > What does "*Headdesk*" mean? > > Sorry, a bit of humor. *Headdesk* means the act of banging your head on > the desk, usually from frustration or discovery that you've been an > idiot, or both. The words "head" and "desk" are run together, in a > visual joke of the two colliding. It probably doesn't translated > well... Thanks for the explanation. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Oct. 6, 2004

Re: [Dillo-dev]dillo and TAB key

by Jorge Arellano Cid

Miana, On Tue, Sep 21, 2004 at 11:31:14PM -0700, Miana Husada wrote: > Hi! > > I'm a new user of Dillo and I'm really interested to > play with it. Currently I intend to make dillo accept > keyboard input(tab and enter key) rather than mouse > input to select and click the hyperlink, button, > textfield, etc on the web page. Currently if I press > tab key, it can only move the focus between the > button, and textfield. It doesn't move focus to the > hyperlink.Could you please give me idea how to do it? > > My second question is how to apply patch for dillo? > Where should I put the patch? I experience hunk failed > when I try to install a patch for dillo. > > Thank you very much for your help. Sorry, if my > question seems very simple. Can you believe this mail arrived today to inbox? Unfortunately the question is not as simple as anyone would like. Adding keyboard navigation is not an easy task and it requires some knowledge. Once upon a time Frank de Lange worked on this and he managed to build a protoype that was a polishing phase away from being included in the main trunk. You can explore the mailing list archives and find his work. Beware of the huge integrated patch by him, just get the keyboard part and try to start from there, otherwise you'll get lost. Hope this helps. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Oct. 6, 2004

Re: [Dillo-dev]Invoke application upon clicking a link

by Jorge Arellano Cid

On Fri, Aug 20, 2004 at 09:05:13PM -0700, huy wrote: > Hello all, > I would like to be able to click on a link and invoke a local executable. As you might already > know, this is similar to the activeX IE or the shell model in mozilla. And this is for > a quick and dirty demo, so security isn't an issue. Is there a way I can do this with > dillo (short of modifying the source code). The HTML will be on the local machine too. Sorry for the late answer, but this email arrived today to my INBOX. I don't know why. No there's no way to do it without modifying the source code. The good news is that this is easy. Just add an entry to the link's popup menu and hook your program there. If you need to get rid of the popup, remove the popup's hook and insert your program instead. HTH -- Cheers Jorge.-

Oct. 6, 2004

Re: [Dillo-dev]Mailing list search

by Jorge Arellano Cid

On Thu, Aug 19, 2004 at 07:37:58PM +0200, Thorben Thuermer wrote: > On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 17:55:36 -0400 > Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org> wrote: > > Jörgen, > > and everybody > > > > I just noticed that GMANE is forcing javascript to display > > mailing list searches :(. Well, we have the relevant dillo-dev > > mail folders, so maybe it's time to provide that service from our > > web site. > > > > There surely are good programs for doing this. Does anyone know > > of a good candidate? > > > > (the problem is: given a set of mailfolders, provide a search > > engine with an HTML interface to them). > > i searched for such a thing quite a bit when setting up the list server, > but there didn't seem to be ANY available solutions, short of the hack of > indexing the html archives with a text search engine... (which has it's own > problems due to summary pages containing subjects from many different mails > and so on). > > i'll check what Todd suggested and try to get something running... Excellent Thorben. Please coordinate with Jörgen to embed the mailing list specific google search entry HTML into the site. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Oct. 6, 2004

Re: [Dillo-dev]0.8.3rc1 test

by Jorge Arellano Cid

On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 02:20:42PM +0200, Matthias Franz wrote: > On Sat, Oct 02, 2004 at 10:19:46AM +0200, Florent BERANGER wrote: > > see the http://fr.wikipedia.org web page for exemple. > > This page is encoded in UTF-8. > > See http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html for more on UTF-8. > > It would certainly be nice if Dillo accepted UTF-8 encoding > of ISO-8859-1, but at present this is not the case. Matthias is right. Our idea is to switch Dillo to FLTK and then to handle strings in UTF8, the other encodings can be converted to it. FLTK is not as far as it seems. After dillo-0.8.3 is released, Sebastian will merge the new Dw abstraction layer. We also have a testbed to test Dw over another widget set (in this case FLTK). Once the Dw testbed works over FLTK, the next step is to do the same with the Dw inside Dillo, and finally to port Dillo's GUI to FLTK (a simple task because our GUI is no rocket science). Manpower is highly appreciated. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Oct. 6, 2004