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revision control and other project infrastructure

by jcid＠dillo.org

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 02:54:35AM -0700, Scott Scriven wrote: > Hello. Hi! > I noticed some recent messages about revision control and > possibly switching to a DVCS. This makes me happy. :) Yes, we're trying hg these days. > So, I was wondering about general project infrastructure... > things like bug trackers, todo lists, mailing lists, help forums, > release management, news, patch queues and code review, code > repositories, etc. Thanks for the QA job. Please bear in mind that most of the features are not there not because we don't want them but for lack of manpower. Although there're also a few ones rejected out of experience. > What I've found so far is the following: > > dillo.org: > - general project info > - release tarballs > - bug list > - FAQ Note, the bug track is not only a list, progress status is shown there as a percentage. Discussion is meant to happen in the mailing list. Another big asset of the project is the excellent doxygen documentation of Dillo Widget (the internal widget set). e.g. (from the main directory): doxygen cd html dillo index.html Just give it some browsing! As a matter of fact, with your review, it's clear to me that we need to communicate this better... > auriga.wearlab.de: > - mailing lists > - cvs > > freshmeat.net: release announcements > > freenode: IRC (inactive?) Yes, inactive. We may log in to discuss lively between developers, if the need arises. So far email has been enough for a year. > http://misc.andi.de1.cc/dillo/ : Packaging for Debian, Ubuntu, Openmoko > > http://www.hyperborea.org/software/dillo/ : Packaging for Red Hat > > http://freehg.org/u/dillo/css-prototype : Prototype CSS branch http://freehg.org/u/dillo/main/ (I'm yet to update the web site, and BTW, just today I got a time window to work on dillo again. I'm borrowing time from the high-priority CSS stylesheet loading to write these lines :) > > Is that about right? Did I miss anything? The current Plans page: http://www.dillo.org/Plans.html It shows in broad lines, what we're doing. More coarse grained than the bugtracker. With regard to a users forum, we once had dillo-users, but in the end it only served as a SPAM repository. I agree that requiring user subscription to ask a simple question is a stopper for lots of users. Maybe an online form, with a human-being test that forwards to dillo-dev can be a good compromise. Good ideas are welcomed. Sometimes we don't have the time to implement them, and that's the problem. Help is highly appreciated. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Dec. 18, 2008

revision control and other project infrastructure

by akemnade＠tzi.de

Hi, On Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:54:35 -0700 Scott Scriven <dillo-dev(a)toykeeper.net> wrote: > Hello. > > I noticed some recent messages about revision control and > possibly switching to a DVCS. This makes me happy. :) > > So, I was wondering about general project infrastructure... > things like bug trackers, todo lists, mailing lists, help forums, > release management, news, patch queues and code review, code > repositories, etc. > > What I've found so far is the following: > > dillo.org: > - general project info > - release tarballs > - bug list > - FAQ > > auriga.wearlab.de: > - mailing lists > - cvs > just to mention: both are on the same host. you can also use for example cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@dillo.org:/sfhome/cvs/dillo There is also a forum functionality which is disabled at the moment. Greetings Andreas Kemnade

Dec. 17, 2008

revision control and other project infrastructure

by dillo-dev＠toykeeper.net

* corvid <corvid(a)lavabit.com> wrote: > Right, I didn't mean to imply a forum at the same place as the > repository. Scott mentioned user forums earlier in the msg, > and it caught my eye. Heh, I mean any general sort of way to communicate -- probably not something like phpBB. I was thinking more of a public place to ask questions and get answers... sort of like a living FAQ with email notifications. > 2) ask Jorge directly -- and of course he's busy. Dillo's site does have "email me" in a lot of places. :) > Then again, I see there was a dillo-users list which apparently > just got spam. Mailing lists can be pretty inconvenient sometimes. They're fine for extended or ongoing discussion, but they tend to turn away the people who only have one or two questions... and they tend to have a lot of noise -- spam, or discussions not everyone cares about. -- Scott

Dec. 17, 2008

revision control and other project infrastructure

by dillo-dev＠toykeeper.net

* Jeremy Henty <onepoint(a)starurchin.org> wrote: > Is there a mercurial hosting service with a more > "batteries-included" approach? I don't know of anything for Mercurial. However, launchpad provides quite a bit... It's a pretty complete project infrastructure. It uses bzr instead of hg, but after using both, I definitely prefer bzr. It's more powerful, more flexible, and its branching model is a lot easier than git or hg. Take a look at the tour to see if launchpad looks worthwhile: https://launchpad.net/+tour Here's a shot of one of the revision browser GUIs for bzr: http://toykeeper.net/tmp/bzr-feature-branches.png (copy/paste the URL if it asks for a login) The development shown there uses feature branches and a merge bot. Branches get merged automatically by the bot after 2 core devs review changes and vote "approved". -- Scott

Dec. 17, 2008

revision control and other project infrastructure

by onepoint＠starurchin.org

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 06:27:15PM +0000, Jeremy Henty wrote: > Is there a mercurial hosting service with a more > "batteries-included" approach? OK, I Googled a bit: http://www.assembla.com/ https://www.bitbucket.org/ http://mercurial.intuxication.org/ BitBucket seems to get the most mentions. There's a comparison with freehg here: http://jolexa.wordpress.com/2008/09/11/free-mercurial-hosting-bitbucket-vs-… Jeremy Henty

Dec. 17, 2008

revision control and other project infrastructure

by corvid＠lavabit.com

Jeremy wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 05:37:44PM +0000, corvid wrote: > > > And, as you alluded to above, there is a > > http://freehg.org/u/dillo/main/ which might replace the cvs. > > AFAICT freehg.org provides nothing except repository hosting. If we > wanted forums etc. the devs would have to set that up somewhere else. > Is there a mercurial hosting service with a more "batteries-included" > approach? Right, I didn't mean to imply a forum at the same place as the repository. Scott mentioned user forums earlier in the msg, and it caught my eye. I don't really know whether a forum would get any activity, but I imagine the casual user's options right now look like 1) ask questions on some other forum that none of us frequent 2) ask Jorge directly -- and of course he's busy. Then again, I see there was a dillo-users list which apparently just got spam.

Dec. 17, 2008

revision control and other project infrastructure

by Johannes.Hofmann＠gmx.de

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 06:27:15PM +0000, Jeremy Henty wrote: > On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 05:37:44PM +0000, corvid wrote: > > > And, as you alluded to above, there is a > > http://freehg.org/u/dillo/main/ which might replace the cvs. > > AFAICT freehg.org provides nothing except repository hosting. If we > wanted forums etc. the devs would have to set that up somewhere else. > Is there a mercurial hosting service with a more "batteries-included" > approach? Right, freehg.org is just a temporary place for the css-prototype branch and for some experimenting with mercurial in general. Regards, Johannes

Dec. 17, 2008

[patch]: use $(srcdir) in Make rules

by onepoint＠starurchin.org

I was revising the autoconf docs and noticed that make rules should prefix all sources with $(srcdir) to support separate builds[1]. We don't do this, so here's a patch. (Patch generated with Mercurial Queues, BTW.) Jeremy Henty [1]: (autoconf.info)Installation Directory Variables

Dec. 17, 2008

revision control and other project infrastructure

by onepoint＠starurchin.org

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 05:37:44PM +0000, corvid wrote: > And, as you alluded to above, there is a > http://freehg.org/u/dillo/main/ which might replace the cvs. AFAICT freehg.org provides nothing except repository hosting. If we wanted forums etc. the devs would have to set that up somewhere else. Is there a mercurial hosting service with a more "batteries-included" approach? Regards, Jeremy Henty

Dec. 17, 2008

revision control and other project infrastructure

by corvid＠lavabit.com

Scott wrote: > I noticed some recent messages about revision control and > possibly switching to a DVCS. This makes me happy. :) > > So, I was wondering about general project infrastructure... > things like bug trackers, todo lists, mailing lists, help forums, > release management, news, patch queues and code review, code > repositories, etc. > > What I've found so far is the following: > > dillo.org: > - general project info > - release tarballs > - bug list > - FAQ > > auriga.wearlab.de: > - mailing lists > - cvs > > freshmeat.net: release announcements > > freenode: IRC (inactive?) > > http://misc.andi.de1.cc/dillo/ : Packaging for Debian, Ubuntu, Openmoko > > http://www.hyperborea.org/software/dillo/ : Packaging for Red Hat > > http://freehg.org/u/dillo/css-prototype : Prototype CSS branch > > Is that about right? Did I miss anything? Sounds about right to me. I don't know anything about the irc, though (In my day, irc was something that you turned to if you wanted to fail out of university, so I steered clear.) And, as you alluded to above, there is a http://freehg.org/u/dillo/main/ which might replace the cvs. I have wondered whether a help forum might do some good.

Dec. 17, 2008