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Re: [Dillo-dev] Re: [Patch] Search feature and more

by Jorge Arellano Cid

On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Johan Hovold wrote: > Hi Jorge! > > 2.- Accelerator keys. > > > > Huh! These are to be picked very carefully! It took me a lot of > > work to figure simple mnemonic shortcuts that integrate well with > > the UI model. > > > > The chosen ones are: > > > > Shortcut Mnemonic > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > Ctrl-U "Ctrl-URL" (to edit the URL) > > Ctrl-H "Ctrl-Hide" (Hide/show controls) > > Ctrl-S "Ctrl-Search" (search the web) > > Ctrl-R "Ctrl-Reload" (reload current page) > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > (integrating with the existent) > > Ctrl-L "Ctrl-Location" (enters a new URL) > > Ctrl-F "Ctrl-Find" (find text) > > Ctrl-Q "ctrl-Quit" (quit window) > > > > (Note: Ctrl-S is not implemented yet) > > > > These should provide good defaults as Havoc suggests. Please > > give them a test drive to get the feel. > Some issues noted (which you may already have considered): > > Ctrl-U "Ctrl-URL" (to edit the URL) > - Conflicts with gtk text entry's "Delete line" shortcut. > - Could perhaps be considered a feature, since one ctrl-u gets you to > the location bar and another clears it? > - Has the irritating consequence that you cannot use it while in a html text > entry widged. > - May cause undesired "url lossage" ;-) when already in the location entry. > > Ctrl-H "Ctrl-Hide" (Hide/show controls) > - Conflicts with the gtk text entry's "Delete Backward Character > (Backspace)" > - Hence cannot be used while in html text entry forms or location > entry. > - F11 seems to be the standard keybinding for full screen. > > Ctrl-S "Ctrl-Search" (search the web) > - Frank's note that this is a standard shortcut for "Save Page", > implies that perhaps Ctrl-S isn't such a good choice, and > an alternative should be thought out. > - ...but a search bar doesn't solve the problem, since it should also be > accessible through a shortcut. > - My original proposal "s <keywords>" is still an option... > > > General issues concerning the Locationbar/dialog > - Ctrl-U doesn't select the url (just focuses), hence another > keypress is required in order to enter a new url (same goes for > Ctrl-L - open location dialog). > - Perhaps both the location dialog and location entry, should select > all text on Ctrl-L and Ctrl-U respectively? > - Considering the conflicts noted above, isn't Ctrl-L for focusing > (and perhaps selecting the contents of) the location bar and > Ctrl-Shift-L for opening location dialog a better and more > consistent solution? > > > Ah, while thinking of it, I thought it'd be good to add the ESC > > key as a way to switch from the location box into the main > > window, it can be easily done with the key handler you wrote. > Isn't this a (unneccessary) violation of Havoc's guidelines, since a > single tab press focuses the document window? (I.e. it would be a > duplication.) > (Just a note: an ESC press in the location box in mozilla and opera > selects the text and clears the text, respectively) > > > 3.- Search feature > > > > Uncommited yet, the functionality is perfect. Just some minor > > details in the UI: > > > > A small icon to the right of the location box (hideable as the > > othe icons), with Ctrl-S as shortcut, that pops up a dialog (just > > as find text and open url). > Shall I keep the "s <keywords>" interface as well, or just go with > the search box. The overhead is minimal, and people disliking dialogs > would be pleased. > > Is there someone out there who could add a nice magnifying glass icon > (or whatever is preferred), to pixmap.h? > > > The icon's tooltip can be "Search the Internet", "Search the > > Web", or something better :-) > Since the search engine to us is an option(search_url), perhaps > another preference is desired, e.g. a search_name option, and then > setting the tooltip to "Search using <search_name>". > Alternatively, the server name could be extracted from search_url, but > this may not always work as desired. > > > * It'd be also good to add middle-click over the clear-url > > button, as a way to "paste-push" an URLs. Instead of the the > > current three step sequence: > > > > - Press clear-url > > - Paste URL > > - Press enter > A really great idea! But, just to be a smart ass ;-), doesn't this > break the cognitive model behind dillo's interface in the same way as > did the "s <keywords>" interface... > > > I carefully considered your previous email and this model > > should take good care of the several points we talked about. Half > > of the work is on CVS now, and the above mentioned details are > > pending. Please send me a new patch with the modifications to > > fast-track-commit-it-in! > As noted above, you may already have considered the issues noted. So > if you've already made up your mind, I'll go ahead and implement the > remaining parts as soon as possible. Thanks. Attached goes a pixmap. As for the UI comments. It is not a black or white decision, it has many shades/tradeoffs. What I try to do is to chose the ones that better fit in the UI model as a whole. Ctrl-S is very interesting: it could be used for "Search" and "Save". As "Search" is much more used than save, I decided to let it have it (featuring a one-step cognitive association, as the other shortcuts). The other interesting option is to use Ctrl-W for "Web search" and Ctrl-S for save, but it introduces one two-step association (the required action is to search (ctrl-S), but that's not the shortcut, so a second association is needed). For instance: Where: the Web -> Ctrl-W, but this time it requires two-steps and breaks the cognitive model by introducing a non compliant association. The price to pay is that the unconsciously assimilated model now has an inconsistency, and the user certainly needs to update his mental model of it in order to use it. Once the new model is accomodated, all the other key bindings will most probably introduce a hesitation (depending on how the user made the accomodation), and the "perceived easiness" as a whole is compromised. An interesting related phenomena is that expert users already come with a bunch of unrelated shortcuts "hardcoded" in their brains, depending on the apps. they are used to. In that case, it is easier for them to try to make the new app. behave as they've come to expect, rather than to try to understand it, and assimilate its UI. I understand this fact, an so I think that providing a way to override _some_ shortcuts (as the Ctrl+<key> in dillo) may be a good thing to have (at the price of a bit of cluttering in dillorc). Now, providing a way to override almost every keybinding in dillo, and ways to accomodate for several different ways or styles of UI, is absolutely not a goal of this project (which is much more closer to what Havoc suggests). > Is there planned release date for 0.8.0? Maybe in a month or two. We have to integrate a lot of code yet and also stabilze the dpi[pd]. I'll write a bit more about it in another email. Cheers Jorge.-

Sept. 15, 2003

Cosmetic 0.7.3 patch

by Andrew R. Greenwood

Greetings, I originally started changing the following for fun, but after I had finished I found these cosmetic touches give Dillo a more polished and appealing look. I felt it was a nice improvement, so I decided to diff the changes (as instructed on the site) and subscribe to this mailing list. I hope others like these changes as much as I do. Here is a summary of what I've done: * Added a space at the beginning and end of the image and page progressbar text to offer a nice clean padded look in all of the panel_size modes * Cleaned up case inconsistencies and wording in context menus; verbage from Mozilla * Removed trailing menu separators and uppercase title menu entries from context menus to give them a more polished look * Changed the "View Source" window title to "Dillo: View Source" for window management consistency Any feedback will be greatly appreciated =) Andrew R. Greenwood <shadearg(a)sdf.lonestar.org>

Sept. 13, 2003

Re: ipaq dash keys

by Vikram

Hi, I got the keypress problem fixed [thanks to phil bushnell]. This has to do with the keylauncher application with the familiar distribution which launches specific applications on keys hence eating up the keypresses of the ipaq keys. Once the /etc/keylaunchrc is edited to not launch any application and the keylauncher daemon is restarted the the ipaq dash keypresses reaches dillo via the Interface_key_press_handler in interface.c just like the arrow keys. Maybe this information will help someone else later. Thanks, Vikram On Wed, 10 Sep 2003, Vikram wrote: > > Hi I am using familiar 0.7 on a h3670. I have a modified version of dillo > which adds some custom functionality to it. I need to be able to trigger > certain events on pressing the ipaq dash buttons [these are the ones which > launch calendar, filemanager etc and are wrapped all round the arrow keys > of the ipaq]. > > I see that dillo via GdkEventKey [in interface.c] senses the arrow keys > but this function does not seem to get events from the ipaq dash key > presses. Is there anyway I can get such keypresses ? Is it necessary I > have change some system wide seting [like use xmodmap?] ? > > Thanks, > > Vikram > > > >

Sept. 12, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] New dpid patch

by Jorge Arellano Cid

Hi there! I just commited big patches to the dpi framework (version5), a near 1800 lines patch. On Mon, 25 Aug 2003, Ferdi Franceschini wrote: > There is a new dpid patch for dillo-0.8-pre available from > http://www.geocities.com/ferdif2003/ > > Plugins are now stored in a directory structure under libdir/dillo/dpi. > You need to put > dpi_dir=/usr/local/lib/dillo/dpi Or the directory you choose. Note that you'll need to recompile the dpis as now they names tell whether they are a filter or socket server. This is still in state of flux, but working. Beware. > in ~/.dillo/dpidrc so that dpid can find the plugins, there should be no other > entries in this file. Dpid now uses a .filter suffix in the plugin name to > identify plugins which read and write to stdio (eg hello.filter.dpi). Cheers Jorge.-

Sept. 11, 2003

dillo browser repaint

by Vikram

Hi, I force dillo to browse to a new page based on some external event; the code is as follows [with text containing the url to goto] <snip> gchar* new_text = a_Url_string_strip_delimiters((gchar*)text); DilloUrl* url = a_Url_new(new_text, NULL, 0, 0); if (url) { a_Nav_push(transfer_bw,url); a_Url_free(url); } </snip> however i notice that the though the browser DOES goto the new url the screen [browser window] doesn't get painted properly. i seem to have to scroll up and down a couple of times to get it to repaint completely. Any idea why this would be ? [I don't know if this is related but the url's dillo is forced to goto are served typically by a tomcat servlet engine] Thanks, Vikram

Sept. 11, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] [RFC] Find as you type, statusbar instead of popups, etc

by Johan Hovold

On Wed, Sep 10, 2003 at 09:27:29PM +0200, Frank de Lange wrote: > User controls for find (and find_as_you_type) are the same as the normal find dialog ("/" or CTRL-F to start find, ESC to close, enter to search/search next), but find now retains the last search string between searches. A find_as_you_type feature would be great (I'm not a great fan of dialogs either). But wouldn't the mozilla style, '/' for find_as_you_type and ctrl-f for find_using_dialog, be a better approach? I'd also prefer ctrl-g for find_again (rather than enter), which could be used both with find_dialog and find_as_you_type. If/when keyboard navigation support is implemented, enter would probably be used to follow links. Regards, Johan

Sept. 11, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] Re: [RFC] Find as you type, statusbar instead of popups, etc

by Frank de Lange

On Thu, 11 Sep 2003 01:02:53 +0200 Melvin Hadasht <mhadasht(a)freefluid.dyndns.org> wrote: > Hi, > > > My current tab/frame patch (which will probably be released AFTER the 20th of september, as I am going abroad for a while) contains a find_as_you_type implementation (like Mozilla, search results are updated interactively). > > I was very happy when Mozilla implemented Emacs' incremental seach, so > I would really like to find it in Dillo, too. Is the patch available somewhere? Well, the highly-experimental-not-for-release-yet current version of the tab/frame patch, containing this feature, is at the patch site: http://www.geocities.com/ikbenfrank/dillo-200309102310-tabs.patch.gz size: 83700 bytes (gzipped, as downloaded) 366075 bytes (uncompressed) md5sum: 7df18dc069447dcc725abdcb64477a21 (gzipped, as downloaded) ad5ed7c538c8ae3801aebe229e79b177 (uncompressed) It is not even guaranteed to compile though, as it is just a current patch between my development tree and yesterdays CVS. Feel free to give it a try though. Set (in dillorc) 'popup_dialogs=NO' to use the status-bar version, otherwise you get the popup version (which also supports find_as_you_type by the way). Set find_as_you_type=YES to get that feature. > (could we add shift-enter to search backwards?) Yes, we could. > So what do you think about making a menu entry for each Dillo command? > That would create numerous new entries but then the user does not need Well, I would not make menu-entries for everything, but might consider making everything available for binding. Just like you can do in Emacs... > I would also find it useful if we could navigate through links using the keyboard. Yes, that is another planned feature. Cheers//Frank -- WWWWW ________________________ ## o o\ / Frank de Lange \ }# \| / +46-734352015 \ \ `--| _/ <Hacker for Hire> \ `---' \ +31-640037120 / \ frank(a)unternet.org / `------------------------' [ "Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est." ]

Sept. 11, 2003

ipaq dash keys

by Vikram

Hi I am using familiar 0.7 on a h3670. I have a modified version of dillo which adds some custom functionality to it. I need to be able to trigger certain events on pressing the ipaq dash buttons [these are the ones which launch calendar, filemanager etc and are wrapped all round the arrow keys of the ipaq]. I see that dillo via GdkEventKey [in interface.c] senses the arrow keys but this function does not seem to get events from the ipaq dash key presses. Is there anyway I can get such keypresses ? Is it necessary I have change some system wide seting [like use xmodmap?] ? Thanks, Vikram

Sept. 11, 2003

Re: [RFC] Find as you type, statusbar instead of popups, etc

by Melvin Hadasht

Hi, > My current tab/frame patch (which will probably be released AFTER the 20th of september, as I am going abroad for a while) contains a find_as_you_type implementation (like Mozilla, search results are updated interactively). I was very happy when Mozilla implemented Emacs' incremental seach, so I would really like to find it in Dillo, too. Is the patch available somewhere? > I also included an option to use the status bar and location bar instead of popup windows for search and open_url (popups are quite often not worth the hassle...). Yes, I agree, and I would make use of this patch. But popups should still be there, so new users won't be lost. > User controls for find (and find_as_you_type) are the same as the normal find dialog ("/" or CTRL-F to start find, ESC to close, enter to search/search next), but find now retains the last search string between searches. (could we add shift-enter to search backwards?) I really liked Gtk ability to let the user customize menu key bindings. So what do you think about making a menu entry for each Dillo command? That would create numerous new entries but then the user does not need to read the manual to know that '/' is for incremental-search and he would be able to customize the key-bindings to his taste. The drawback, is that there will be more menu entries. (You use Sylpheed-Claws, you can see that we moved most advanced editing commands in Compose/Edit/ Advanced.. to lighten the edit menu while allowing the user to set her preferred key-bindings (Ctrl-A being one of the most controversial)). > Is this something you'd like to see in Dillo, or should I keep these to myself? Definitely, I would use it quite frequently. I would also find it useful if we could navigate through links using the keyboard.

Sept. 10, 2003

[RFC] Find as you type, statusbar instead of popups, etc

by Frank de Lange

Hi'all, My current tab/frame patch (which will probably be released AFTER the 20th of september, as I am going abroad for a while) contains a find_as_you_type implementation (like Mozilla, search results are updated interactively). I also included an option to use the status bar and location bar instead of popup windows for search and open_url (popups are quite often not worth the hassle...). User controls for find (and find_as_you_type) are the same as the normal find dialog ("/" or CTRL-F to start find, ESC to close, enter to search/search next), but find now retains the last search string between searches. Code size impact is minimal, in case of a popup_less version code is actually quite a bit less complex (and a bit smaller) than the current CVS implementation. Is this something you'd like to see in Dillo, or should I keep these to myself? On the frameset front, control over margins in (i)frames has been improved (no more extraneous margin space in iframe). Dillo (when configured for frameset support) now always renders frameset - even when body content is placed outside the frameset. Frame resize support has been improved a bit. These changes introduce two new preferences (popup_dialogs and find_as_you_type). Both have defaults which reflect unpatched Dillo's behaviour. Please let me know if this sounds like an improvement (or the opposite) to you. Cheers//Frank -- WWWWW ________________________ ## o o\ / Frank de Lange \ }# \| / +46-734352015 \ \ `--| _/ <Hacker for Hire> \ `---' \ +31-640037120 / \ frank(a)unternet.org / `------------------------' [ "Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est." ]

Sept. 10, 2003