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Re: [Dillo-dev] PledgeBank ?

by Vincent Thomasset

Le Thu, 1 Feb 2007 08:56:47 -0300, Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org> a écrit : > Hi Vincent, > > Raising some funds, and to create awareness of what the current > status of the Dillo project is, looks like a good idea. It would > be important to let the readers know that we seek funds to be > able to quit our jobs and to dedicate full time to work on Dillo > for at least a year (when hopefully we could have secured some > enterprise funding to continue). > > This is simply a too fast a moving target for two developers > to chase working after hours. I understand all of this, but i doubt the pledge could pay for this all by itself. BTW, how much money do you think we should be aiming for ? I thought about going with 10$ pledges but i'm not sure how many between 1000, 2500 or 5000, 1000 probably being the reasonable choice. > We're looking for interested developers to work on Dillo. This > is also key to the success of the project. This is the kind of > developer that not only sends patches but that contributes to the > core of it. > > Sometime ago I asked in this list for interested developers and > got only one answer for a "patch-developer" so to speak. Again, i'm really interested in Dillo's future, but i can't make any hard commitment to it's development... > I like FOSDEM!, was once there, and there're lots of different > people attending it. From technical to management. If you can > pass the above ideas (more or less deatiled in my previous posts > too) with a broad target scope, it could certainly help the > project, and we'd appreciate that. Unfortunately, i'm not sure i will attend the FOSDEM. My idea was to put together the posters with a quick description of Dillo and links to the website and the pledge. I will have to take care of this next week or so and contact the FOSDEM people to check if i can put posters in some rooms or interesting spots. Cheers, Vincent

Feb. 9, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] PledgeBank ?

by Jorge Arellano Cid

On Wed, Feb 07, 2007 at 06:52:55PM -0600, R.L. Horn wrote: > On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote: > > > - Dw was ported to C++ (some new capabilities, similar API). > > - HTML/text/script parser was ported to C++. > > I'm sorry to hear that. If the plan is a general switchover to C++, I'll > have to back out. I don't do C++, Java, etc. for free -- it's just not > worth the aggravation. > > Hell, I've just discovered that FLTK2 (r5642) won't even build with my > current compiler/linker combination. Sorry, life's too short for this > kind of crap. Believe it or not, I have a similar feeling about C++, and try to avoid it as much as I can. Now, FLTK2 is a good toolkit (trying to use a small subset of C++'s bloat), and there were parts of Dillo that needed to be ported to it, but is mainly as C-ish as it was before. Although I still have to try to convince Sebastian to a smallest C++ feature set in Dw. Not much of his fault, maybe he didn't have an option, with C++ you have the curse of templates. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Feb. 8, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] [marco@hep.uchicago.edu: Re: Dillo not compiling]

by Jorge Arellano Cid

Hi Livio!!!! Really good news to know you're around! On Tue, Feb 06, 2007 at 03:48:42PM -0500, Livio Soares wrote: > Hi Marco, > > Marco Mambelli writes: > > Hi Livio, > > Thank you, I added glib-devel and gtk+-devel > > > > autogen and configure are fine now. > > Nice. > > > In compilation there are some warning (signedness mainly) and errors in > > downloads.cc compilation: > > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I/usr/local/include > > -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include -g -O2 -MT downloads.o -MD > > -MP -MF ".deps/downloads.Tpo" -c -o downloads.o downloads.cc; \ > > then mv -f ".deps/downloads.Tpo" ".deps/downloads.Po"; else rm -f > > ".deps/downloads.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > > downloads.cc:34:22: error: fltk/run.h: No such file or directory > > downloads.cc:35:25: error: fltk/Window.h: No such file or directory > > downloads.cc:36:25: error: fltk/Widget.h: No such file or directory > > downloads.cc:37:25: error: fltk/damage.h: No such file or directory > > ... and many other errors depending probably on the missing files > > (undefined variables, scope problems, ...) > > > > I installed fltk and fltk-devel libraries but this did not solved the > > problem. > > Unfortunately, this isn't very well documented, but you actually > need FLTK 2, to allow the download DPI to work. If I remember > correctly (Jorge can correct me if I'm wrong), compiling the download > DPI is optional (--disable-dlgui, I think, was the configure option). You're right: --disable-dlgui compiles with the old (silent) downloader. > > So, you can either forget about the download DPI, find RPMs for > FLTK2 (both library and -devel), or build/install FLTK2 yourself. Kelson has made very good RPMs. I'm using one of them in a Scientific Linux machine, it comes with FLTK2 downloader dpi, and works great. > Now, don't you just _love_ recursive build dependences ;P ;-) -- Cheers Jorge.-

Feb. 8, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] PledgeBank ?

by R.L. Horn

On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote: > - Dw was ported to C++ (some new capabilities, similar API). > - HTML/text/script parser was ported to C++. I'm sorry to hear that. If the plan is a general switchover to C++, I'll have to back out. I don't do C++, Java, etc. for free -- it's just not worth the aggravation. Hell, I've just discovered that FLTK2 (r5642) won't even build with my current compiler/linker combination. Sorry, life's too short for this kind of crap.

Feb. 8, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] [marco@hep.uchicago.edu: Re: Dillo not compiling]

by Livio Soares

Hi Marco, Marco Mambelli writes: > Hi Livio, > Thank you, I added glib-devel and gtk+-devel > > autogen and configure are fine now. Nice. > In compilation there are some warning (signedness mainly) and errors in > downloads.cc compilation: > if g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I/usr/local/include > -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include -g -O2 -MT downloads.o -MD > -MP -MF ".deps/downloads.Tpo" -c -o downloads.o downloads.cc; \ > then mv -f ".deps/downloads.Tpo" ".deps/downloads.Po"; else rm -f > ".deps/downloads.Tpo"; exit 1; fi > downloads.cc:34:22: error: fltk/run.h: No such file or directory > downloads.cc:35:25: error: fltk/Window.h: No such file or directory > downloads.cc:36:25: error: fltk/Widget.h: No such file or directory > downloads.cc:37:25: error: fltk/damage.h: No such file or directory > ... and many other errors depending probably on the missing files > (undefined variables, scope problems, ...) > > I installed fltk and fltk-devel libraries but this did not solved the > problem. Unfortunately, this isn't very well documented, but you actually need FLTK 2, to allow the download DPI to work. If I remember correctly (Jorge can correct me if I'm wrong), compiling the download DPI is optional (--disable-dlgui, I think, was the configure option). So, you can either forget about the download DPI, find RPMs for FLTK2 (both library and -devel), or build/install FLTK2 yourself. Now, don't you just _love_ recursive build dependences ;P Good luck, Livio

Feb. 6, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] [marco@hep.uchicago.edu: Re: Dillo not compiling]

by Livio Soares

Hi Marco, Marco Mambelli writes: [...] > Do you think it is some library version problem? > I have a FC4 machine and glib is glib-1.2.10-16 Do you have the -devel packages installed, as well? From your error, it _looks_ like you need glib-devel and gtk-devel packages are not installed. Good luck, Livio

Feb. 6, 2007

[marco@hep.uchicago.edu: Re: Dillo not compiling]

by Jorge Arellano Cid

-- Cheers Jorge.-

Feb. 6, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] PledgeBank ?

by Jorge Arellano Cid

Hi Johannes and R.L, Please excuse my delay to answer. Finally I found some time to address this. On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 05:25:49PM +0100, Johannes Hofmann wrote: > Hi Jorge, > > On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 08:56:47AM -0300, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote: > > > > Another important point is that we're not working with GTK1 > > anymore, but with FLTK2 (antialiasing, UTF-8, statical linking in > > 700KB, less dependencies, etc). We have an advanced prototype. > > This is important for potential developers. > > > > We're looking for interested developers to work on Dillo. This > > is also key to the success of the project. This is the kind of > > developer that not only sends patches but that contributes to the > > core of it. > > > > Sometime ago I asked in this list for interested developers and > > got only one answer for a "patch-developer" so to speak. > > I'm a long time dillo user and have some experience with fltk1 and > fltk2 from my small spare time projects. > I would be happy to contribute to the dillo project but my time > will be limited... "R.L. Horn" wrote: > > Sometime ago I asked in this list for interested developers and > >got only one answer for a "patch-developer" so to speak. > > Actually, I volunteered some time back and never got a response. I > haven't fiddled with FLTK development, but I reckon I could pick it up in > a week or so. Thanks for commiting some time to Dillo! PLease let me know a rough estimate of how much time could this be. Just to have an idea of what kind of task you both can work in based on your expertise and available time. At this moment, much of Dillo is quite similar to what we had in 0.8.x series. The main differences are: - Dw was ported to C++ (some new capabilities, similar API). - HTML/text/script parser was ported to C++. - The Concomitant callback chain was redesigned for simplicity. (Now, instead of one CCC branch per task, an anhanced universal branch handles Dpi, HTML, text and images). - Bug fixes/injections ;-) A great thing is that Dw is well documented (Doxygen), it has a testbed, it's isolated from Dillo and it can be studied comfortably. OTOH, there's a lot of middle/minor work to be done to complete its implementation. If I get your time availability it would be easier to plan with Sebastian what to suggest you to work on. Thanks a lot for your commitment. May thy example be followed by the listeners! :-) -- Cheers Jorge.-

Feb. 6, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] PledgeBank ?

by R.L. Horn

On Thu, 1 Feb 2007, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote: > Sometime ago I asked in this list for interested developers and > got only one answer for a "patch-developer" so to speak. Actually, I volunteered some time back and never got a response. I haven't fiddled with FLTK development, but I reckon I could pick it up in a week or so.

Feb. 2, 2007

Re: [Dillo-dev] PledgeBank ?

by Jorge Arellano Cid

Hi Vincent, On Mon, Jan 29, 2007 at 03:13:51AM +0100, Vincent Thomasset wrote: > Hi Jorge, > > What do you think of trying to raise some funds using pledgebank ? > I know this is not really the type of funding you're expecting for > Dillo, but it should be interesting to see if there's a response. > > Considering what recently happened to the nouveau project [1] > (someone raised 1300+ 10$ donations in their name), if think it > could be interesting to take the chance. Raising some funds, and to create awareness of what the current status of the Dillo project is, looks like a good idea. It would be important to let the readers know that we seek funds to be able to quit our jobs and to dedicate full time to work on Dillo for at least a year (when hopefully we could have secured some enterprise funding to continue). This is simply a too fast a moving target for two developers to chase working after hours. Another important point is that we're not working with GTK1 anymore, but with FLTK2 (antialiasing, UTF-8, statical linking in 700KB, less dependencies, etc). We have an advanced prototype. This is important for potential developers. We're looking for interested developers to work on Dillo. This is also key to the success of the project. This is the kind of developer that not only sends patches but that contributes to the core of it. Sometime ago I asked in this list for interested developers and got only one answer for a "patch-developer" so to speak. > On a related note, the FOSDEM will be held 5 minutes away from my > place, i could drop some "Fund Dillo" posters there to get some > publicity. > > What do you think ? I like FOSDEM!, was once there, and there're lots of different people attending it. From technical to management. If you can pass the above ideas (more or less deatiled in my previous posts too) with a broad target scope, it could certainly help the project, and we'd appreciate that. -- Cheers Jorge.- PS: you can also get some material from the articles posted in linuxdevices (look in www.dillo.org/press.html)

Feb. 1, 2007