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experiment feedback

by spell_gooder_now＠spellingbeewinnars.org

Hi Johannes Thanks very much for your feedback. I am sure that my business plan will need tweaking but I am also really pretty confident about it. I have spoken with many people working in labs about it and they are really excited about open source. At the end of the day my own business could save 10K a year if I just did not have to buy software and if my project failed to make money but helped those researching diseases and such, that really would not be a loss. " estimate about 1.5 staff years for a pretty experienced programmer" Whoa! I had no idea there was that much work left to me done with CSS. Would this much code change Dillo fundamentally? Are there many features that would not be required most of the time, are there many obscure features. I guess it's just a philosophical issue but I am not attracted to large-large projects, small is beautiful. 50K lines of code will take me a long time to understand but it is within the realm of possibilities. I don't think anyone understands all of webkit Thanks again-Patrick

March 8, 2010

cookie 32-bit time wrapping and possible gcc problem

by corvid＠lavabit.com

Tried running my test/cookies program and got two failures from the 32-bit timestamp wrapping tests. Turned out that I had -O2 set. -O succeeds, and no optimization succeeds. If I insert a MSG("exptime+local_shift %ld\n", exptime + local_shift); after setting local_shift in Cookies_expires_attr(), it works even with -O2. This is with gcc-4.3.3. I'm going to get 4.4.3 and see what happens... PS I don't particularly expect anyone to rush off and try it for themselves, but if you do, it is good to run 'dpidc stop' between runs.

March 8, 2010

experiment feedback

by Johannes.Hofmann＠gmx.de

Hi, On Sat, Mar 06, 2010 at 08:27:31PM -0500, Patrick wrote: > Hi Everyone. > > I think there may be people on this list from Chile, I hope this > message finds you all safe and your situation stable. > > Sorry in advance if this email is too long. > > I am attracted to Dillo because of it's relatively small code base, > the sloccount command gives me about 50K. Webkit is almost 2 million > and it's not even a full browser, just an engine. > > I have a insane idea. I would like to create command line > tools/browser hybrids. I would like to strip out all networking > ability and add in full file system access, perhaps through special > <read-io> <write-io> tags to a Dillo fork. The problem I would like > to solve is a way to create a very simple rapid application desktop > environment for chemists to use. GTK, QT, WxWidgets etc all take > time to learn but many people can throw some HTML together. I was > thinking that I could make small dillo-fied applications that the > scientists could then alter to suit there specific needs. All access > would be through local files. > > My Son was diagnosed with Autism a couple of years ago, he is > getting much better now but we have taken a huge financial hit( > >40K) I expect to be back on track by the fall, we are already > pulling out of it. My project would be open source but for profit, I > do/will have some capital to put towards my project. I am not sure > what would be required to complete the CSS support and to add > Javascript. I am not sure if the Dillo community wants these things > but my networked crippled version could be a testing ground for > features that would not necessarily have to go back into Dillo. If > anyone wanted to help, what would be a suitable donation to achieve > these goals be? Although I am learning I still suck at C/C++, > despite this I can also contribute coding time if someone could > spare a bit of time mentoring? > > Am I totally nuts? Could something like this be done? Regarding the commercial aspect of the idea I can only say that you need to think at least twice as much about how to actually make money from your idea as you need about the technical details. This will be the hard part... Regarding the technical questions: * For complete CSS 2.1 support, so that dillo would e.g. pass the ACID test I would estimate about 1.5 staff years for a pretty experienced programmer. * For JavaScript support I don't know enough about the details to make an estimation. If you need full CSS support and JavaScript go with an existing compliant solution like webkit. Then if your code works you could come back and check how dillo could be enhanced so it works with dillo too. Do one thing after the other. Cheers, Johannes

March 8, 2010

Issue with Mapping keys into Dillo Browser.

by corvid＠lavabit.com

Rajesh wrote: > I am using Dillo 2.2 on RHEL desktop version 5. I am trying to simulate > a working Dillo on my desktop before moving the same to my ARM based > Embedded Platform. > > Presently, I am able to run Dillo and browse web pages. However this > requires use of Mouse. I would like to eliminate mouse and use only > keyboard. Further, I would like the LEFT/RIGHT arrow keys on my keyboard > to move to a previous/next link on the currently opened web page. > Further, I would like that upon pressing "ENTER" key at this time, the > previously selected link is opened. > > Basically, I would like to use LEFT/RIGHT and ENTER keys to navigate > through an already opened web page (Without Mouse). > > Can any body please help me how to achieve this using Dillo. Here's a recent thread that's relevant: http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/pipermail/dillo-dev/2010-February/007271.html

March 8, 2010

experiment feedback

by spell_gooder_now＠spellingbeewinnars.org

Hi Sam I write terrible verbose emails, I did not want to lower the signal-to-noise on the list hopefully this is okay.... My business model follows something like this. I would like to offer scientists tools to control their instruments, plot their data and analyze it. There are already enough open source tools to put something together but it would have to be a pre-fabricated one size fits all solution because these people don't have time to learn to program in C/C++. I was hoping to use HTML as a way to allow the scientists to customize things for themselves. Anyone can pick up HTML in a few days or less, especially with a template. I don't think there is a much of a market helping scientists with HTML. However in order to control their instruments they will need the "command set" to communicate with it. I have lots of expensive proprietary software and instruments too . By eavesdropping on the communication I can recreate the "command sets". It is these commands that are worth paying someone to help with. The software applications this project is trying to replace cost between $5k to 40K. Charging let's say $80-100 an hour would not be unreasonable to come up with a customized solution that eliminates the proprietary software and creates only what the customer needs without bloat. Does this seem logical? Thanks very much for your feedback-Patrick

March 8, 2010

experiment feedback

by strenholme.usenet＠gmail.com

> My project would be open source but for profit My experience, having had an open source project for nearly a decade, is that it's very hard to make money with open source. Open source software is free software, and that means people aren't paying for it, and, annoyingly enough, people are too lazy to RTFM and expect you to answer their email with their support concern or implement whatever pet feature they want "for fun and for free". A lot of web boards out there are filled with free software users with a pretty strong "entitlement mentality"; people who don't contribute to open source but think open source developers should give them a program with the features they want without being paid a cent for their hard work. I have blogged about this quite a bit: http://maradns.blogspot.com/search/label/freetards The way I handle people like that is by making it crystal clear I do not provide unpaid email support; if you want private email support, have your credit card ready. Some people ignore all of the warnings on the web page with my email address so I have a simple script which sends people like that a canned reply asking for money and telling them I will forward any further email they send me to a public mailing list unless they have already paid me. When people ask for features, I handle them in email by giving them the canned reply; if they request features on the mailing list, I ask them how much they are willing to pay for said feature, or give them the "I'm married and don't have time to implement more features for free" spiel. If you know of a way I can keep my program open source and make money on it, I am all ears. I have made a little money implementing features people want, but not nearly enough to pay the rent. It's mainly a way of putting up a boundary with users who want me to go broke programming for them for the rest of my life without me ever getting paid for my work. - Sam

March 8, 2010

Issue with Mapping keys into Dillo Browser.

by rmarathe＠i-rode.com

Hello, I am using Dillo 2.2 on RHEL desktop version 5. I am trying to simulate a working Dillo on my desktop before moving the same to my ARM based Embedded Platform. Presently, I am able to run Dillo and browse web pages. However this requires use of Mouse. I would like to eliminate mouse and use only keyboard. Further, I would like the LEFT/RIGHT arrow keys on my keyboard to move to a previous/next link on the currently opened web page. Further, I would like that upon pressing "ENTER" key at this time, the previously selected link is opened. Basically, I would like to use LEFT/RIGHT and ENTER keys to navigate through an already opened web page (Without Mouse). Can any body please help me how to achieve this using Dillo. Thanks and regards, Rajesh Marathe.

March 8, 2010

Re: Dillo-dev Digest, Vol 55, Issue 5

by j.jorge.barreto＠gmail.com

yes it could 2010/3/7 <dillo-dev-request(a)dillo.org>: > Send Dillo-dev mailing list submissions to > ? ? ? ?dillo-dev(a)dillo.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > ? ? ? ?http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > ? ? ? ?dillo-dev-request(a)dillo.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > ? ? ? ?dillo-dev-owner(a)dillo.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Dillo-dev digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > ? 1. ?experiment feedback (Patrick) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 20:27:31 -0500 > From: Patrick <spell_gooder_now(a)spellingbeewinnars.org> > Subject: [Dillo-dev] experiment feedback > To: dillo-dev(a)dillo.org > Message-ID: <4B930103.2000909(a)spellingbeewinnars.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi Everyone. > > I think there may be people on this list from Chile, I hope this message > finds you all safe and your situation stable. > > Sorry in advance if this email is too long. > > I am attracted to Dillo because of it's relatively small code base, the > sloccount command gives me about 50K. Webkit is almost 2 million and > it's not even a full browser, just an engine. > > I have a insane idea. I would like to create command line tools/browser > hybrids. I would like to strip out all networking ability and add in > full file system access, perhaps through special <read-io> <write-io> > tags to a Dillo fork. The problem I would like to solve is a way to > create a very simple rapid application desktop environment for chemists > to use. GTK, QT, WxWidgets etc all take time to learn but many people > can throw some HTML together. I was thinking that I could make small > dillo-fied applications that the scientists could then alter to suit > there specific needs. All access would be through local files. > > My Son was diagnosed with Autism a couple of years ago, he is getting > much better now but we have taken a huge financial hit( >40K) I expect > to be back on track by the fall, we are already pulling out of it. My > project would be open source but for profit, I do/will have some capital > to put towards my project. I am not sure what would be required to > complete the CSS support and to add Javascript. I am not sure if the > Dillo community wants these things but my networked crippled version > could be a testing ground for features that would not necessarily have > to go back into Dillo. If anyone wanted to help, what would be a > suitable donation to achieve these goals be? Although I am learning I > still suck at C/C++, despite this I can also contribute coding time if > someone could spare a bit of time mentoring? > > Am I totally nuts? Could something like this be done? > > Thanks for reading-Patrick > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Dillo-dev mailing list > Dillo-dev(a)dillo.org > http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev > > End of Dillo-dev Digest, Vol 55, Issue 5 > **************************************** >

March 7, 2010

experiment feedback

by spell_gooder_now＠spellingbeewinnars.org

Hi Everyone. I think there may be people on this list from Chile, I hope this message finds you all safe and your situation stable. Sorry in advance if this email is too long. I am attracted to Dillo because of it's relatively small code base, the sloccount command gives me about 50K. Webkit is almost 2 million and it's not even a full browser, just an engine. I have a insane idea. I would like to create command line tools/browser hybrids. I would like to strip out all networking ability and add in full file system access, perhaps through special <read-io> <write-io> tags to a Dillo fork. The problem I would like to solve is a way to create a very simple rapid application desktop environment for chemists to use. GTK, QT, WxWidgets etc all take time to learn but many people can throw some HTML together. I was thinking that I could make small dillo-fied applications that the scientists could then alter to suit there specific needs. All access would be through local files. My Son was diagnosed with Autism a couple of years ago, he is getting much better now but we have taken a huge financial hit( >40K) I expect to be back on track by the fall, we are already pulling out of it. My project would be open source but for profit, I do/will have some capital to put towards my project. I am not sure what would be required to complete the CSS support and to add Javascript. I am not sure if the Dillo community wants these things but my networked crippled version could be a testing ground for features that would not necessarily have to go back into Dillo. If anyone wanted to help, what would be a suitable donation to achieve these goals be? Although I am learning I still suck at C/C++, despite this I can also contribute coding time if someone could spare a bit of time mentoring? Am I totally nuts? Could something like this be done? Thanks for reading-Patrick

March 7, 2010

patch: drawing image map areas

by corvid＠lavabit.com

This draws the shapes in image maps, which is quite nice when not loading images. There are two redrawing problems: If I try http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/recenteqsww/ a little bit of the map is visible at the bottom of the viewport initially (geometry 850x630). The rectangles are visible, but not the polygons. If I page down or switch to another desktop and back, all is well. If I try http://www.sbrady.com/hotsource/html/imgmaps.html because it has bigger rectangles, when I scroll line by line, I get lines in my rectangle corresponding to the edge of the view. No problem with circles or polygons. All I'm doing is calling the fltk shape-drawing code through fltkviewbase, so I'd expect them all to work or break in the same way. I will probably change FltkViewBase::drawArc() so that (x,y) is the center like one would expect. That tricked me at first, and I might have been the one who wrote that code in the first place. I might make an additional FltkViewBase::drawPolygon() that accepts the SimpleVector of points and then calls addvertex() a lot rather than one addvertices() call. Slower, but they're just image maps, and the pointArray in Polygon::draw() here is too complicated (I had to look it up to get it quite right).

March 6, 2010