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claws? (Re: [Dillo-dev] Garbage chars added)

by jcid＠dillo.org

Hi Paul, On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 08:21:29AM +0100, Paul wrote: > [...] > "dillo -l -f -x XID URL" these options are known by the Claws Mail team, they > are built into the Claws Mail Dillo Browser plugin - iirc, they first > appeared in Dillo as a result of a discussion between Melvin, the developer > of the plugin, and the Dillo team. The Claws Mail users do know these > options, at least through the plugins preferences page, and, I would imagine, > the majority of them do use these options. imo, having the option to avoid > loading of remote content is crucial in an email app's html message display. Thanks for the info. > Athur F. Ucksayke from #claws is interested what command: "dillo -l -f > -x XID URL" is supposed to do? Is this documented? Not documented. In dillo2: - This enables the SPAM safe mode (no images/resource loading). - It doesn't embed the window because we don't yet know how to do it. - Full screen is ignored - The URL is shown. As this was a "blind workaround" (i.e. not tested), would you mind trying whether it works. It should start a dettached dillo2 window in SPAM safe mode, with browser controls showing. As for proper implementation of those CLI switches in the future, who should I contact? I assume by your email you're a good person to ask. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Oct. 24, 2008

claws? (Re: [Dillo-dev] Garbage chars added)

by paul＠claws-mail.org

Henri Salo <fgeek at hack.fi> wrote: > > > Tomas wrote: > > > > X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.0; i486-pc-linux-gnu) > > > > > > Just noticed this. Is claws able to make much use of dillo2? > > > Jorge put in a special-case workaround for "dillo -l -f -x XID URL" > > > right before release, but I don't know whether anyone's using it > > > (or if any claws users even know it's there) > > > > > > Hmm...a moment of searching and the first hit I get is > > > http://www.nabble.com/Using-of-Dillo2-td20014194.html > > > which suggests that, no, they don't know. > > > > Athur F. Ucksayke from #claws is interested what command: "dillo -l -f > > -x XID URL" is supposed to do? Is this documented? > > It seems to be so that I didn't really understood or even think about > the name (or more more closely the joke) and this should show to the > community how well people in some projects would like to get contacts > and help things to work. It doesn't show anything like that. It is possible to be serious and mix that with humour, just as it is possible to tell a joke but make a serious point. Mr Ucksayke has been part of the Claws Mail team since day 1, and you don't give up that much of your time over so many years just in order to make low-brow jokes. Since this is seeming way off-topic, I'll bring it back... "dillo -l -f -x XID URL" these options are known by the Claws Mail team, they are built into the Claws Mail Dillo Browser plugin - iirc, they first appeared in Dillo as a result of a discussion between Melvin, the developer of the plugin, and the Dillo team. The Claws Mail users do know these options, at least through the plugins preferences page, and, I would imagine, the majority of them do use these options. imo, having the option to avoid loading of remote content is crucial in an email app's html message display. > Minus points to Athur U. as in claws. Athur U.'s points reset to zero. regards Paul -- "Thanks to his green candle, the 'Pataphysician can lighten our darkness."

Oct. 24, 2008

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by jcid＠dillo.org

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:02:49PM +0200, Andreas Kemnade wrote: > On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:37:56 -0300 > Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org> wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:34:14PM +0300, Henri Salo wrote: > > > Why is there still also this sourceforge-list in use? "In use" as in > > > getting spammed. > > > > > > http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=dillo-dev&max_rows=… > > > > /me surprised! > > > > AFAIK they don't allow withdrawing projects, > > I guess is part of their policy. > > > But you can disable parts of the functionality (like mailinglists, forum, etc.) > That should help. Done. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Oct. 24, 2008

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by akemnade＠tzi.de

On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:37:56 -0300 Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:34:14PM +0300, Henri Salo wrote: > > Why is there still also this sourceforge-list in use? "In use" as in > > getting spammed. > > > > http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=dillo-dev&max_rows=… > > /me surprised! > > AFAIK they don't allow withdrawing projects, > I guess is part of their policy. > But you can disable parts of the functionality (like mailinglists, forum, etc.) That should help. Greetings Andreas Kemnade

Oct. 23, 2008

claws? (Re: [Dillo-dev] Garbage chars added)

by fgeek＠hack.fi

On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:12:29 +0300 Henri Salo <fgeek(a)hack.fi> wrote: > On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:31:14 +0000 > "corvid" <corvid(a)lavabit.com> wrote: > > > Tomas wrote: > > > X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.0; i486-pc-linux-gnu) > > > > Just noticed this. Is claws able to make much use of dillo2? > > Jorge put in a special-case workaround for "dillo -l -f -x XID URL" > > right before release, but I don't know whether anyone's using it > > (or if any claws users even know it's there) > > > > Hmm...a moment of searching and the first hit I get is > > http://www.nabble.com/Using-of-Dillo2-td20014194.html > > which suggests that, no, they don't know. > > Athur F. Ucksayke from #claws is interested what command: "dillo -l -f > -x XID URL" is supposed to do? Is this documented? It seems to be so that I didn't really understood or even think about the name (or more more closely the joke) and this should show to the community how well people in some projects would like to get contacts and help things to work. Minus points to Athur U. as in claws. -- Henri Salo <fgeek at hack.fi> +358407705733 GPG ID: 2EA46E4F fp: 14D0 7803 BFF6 EFA0 9998 8C4B 5DFE A106 2EA4 6E4F

Oct. 23, 2008

claws? (Re: [Dillo-dev] Garbage chars added)

by fgeek＠hack.fi

On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:44:53 -0300 Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org> wrote: > > You should communicate directly with Claws-Mail's development team > > for sure. > > Do you have an email pointer? I asked from IRC-channel, because I didn't find anything related to Developer-list and they said it is only for developers. I beleive most of the developers will read c-m-users-list. Subscribe-address: claws-mail-users-subscribe(a)dotsrc.org -- Henri Salo <fgeek at hack.fi> +358407705733 GPG ID: 2EA46E4F fp: 14D0 7803 BFF6 EFA0 9998 8C4B 5DFE A106 2EA4 6E4F

Oct. 23, 2008

claws? (Re: [Dillo-dev] Garbage chars added)

by jcid＠dillo.org

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 09:12:29PM +0300, Henri Salo wrote: > On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:31:14 +0000 > "corvid" <corvid(a)lavabit.com> wrote: > > > Tomas wrote: > > > X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.0; i486-pc-linux-gnu) > > > > Just noticed this. Is claws able to make much use of dillo2? > > Jorge put in a special-case workaround for "dillo -l -f -x XID URL" > > right before release, but I don't know whether anyone's using it > > (or if any claws users even know it's there) > > > > Hmm...a moment of searching and the first hit I get is > > http://www.nabble.com/Using-of-Dillo2-td20014194.html > > which suggests that, no, they don't know. > > Athur F. Ucksayke from #claws is interested what command: "dillo -l -f > -x XID URL" is supposed to do? Is this documented? Not documented. This enables the SPAM safe mode (no images/resource loading). It doesn't embed the window because we don't yet know how to do it. Full screen is ignored The URL is shown. > Should Dillo by the way react to -h/--help some better way than think > those as urls? Dillo thinks every first argument is address for > www-site. There really could be some intelligence to detect proper > addresses. This is pending (as many things). BTW, I have to answer the CSS thread... PS: The release caused an email storm for me. This is good! -- Cheers Jorge.-

Oct. 23, 2008

claws? (Re: [Dillo-dev] Garbage chars added)

by jcid＠dillo.org

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 09:20:55PM +0300, Henri Salo wrote: > On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:16:28 -0300 > Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org> wrote: > > > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:27:13PM +0300, Henri Salo wrote: > > > On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:31:14 +0000 > > > "corvid" <corvid(a)lavabit.com> wrote: > > > > > > > Tomas wrote: > > > > > X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.0; i486-pc-linux-gnu) > > > > > > > > Just noticed this. Is claws able to make much use of dillo2? > > > > Jorge put in a special-case workaround for "dillo -l -f -x XID > > > > URL" right before release, but I don't know whether anyone's > > > > using it (or if any claws users even know it's there) > > > > > > > > Hmm...a moment of searching and the first hit I get is > > > > http://www.nabble.com/Using-of-Dillo2-td20014194.html > > > > which suggests that, no, they don't know. > > > > > > They know. Both users and development. I said about Dillo2 in #claws > > > when it was release. I'm not sure when they are going to implement > > > it as plugin nor if it already works. Some information can be > > > located in two places: > > > > > > http://www.claws-mail.org/plugin.php?plugin=dillo > > > http://www.claws-mail.org/plugins.php?branch=STD > > > > The problem is dillo-2.0 has a workaround only implementation > > for the CLI switches claws needs. > > > > It'd be good to patch it fully, but before that we need to know > > whether is possible to embed an FLTK2 window into an Xwindow. > > > > Once we know it's possible, the patch is in place and the release > > made, I'd advice claws folks to use it. > > You should communicate directly with Claws-Mail's development team for > sure. Do you have an email pointer? -- Cheers Jorge.-

Oct. 23, 2008

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by jcid＠dillo.org

On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:34:14PM +0300, Henri Salo wrote: > Why is there still also this sourceforge-list in use? "In use" as in > getting spammed. > > http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=dillo-dev&max_rows=… /me surprised! AFAIK they don't allow withdrawing projects, I guess is part of their policy. -- Cheers Jorge.-

Oct. 23, 2008

claws? (Re: [Dillo-dev] Garbage chars added)

by fgeek＠hack.fi

On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 15:16:28 -0300 Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)dillo.org> wrote: > On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 08:27:13PM +0300, Henri Salo wrote: > > On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 16:31:14 +0000 > > "corvid" <corvid(a)lavabit.com> wrote: > > > > > Tomas wrote: > > > > X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.5.0 (GTK+ 2.12.0; i486-pc-linux-gnu) > > > > > > Just noticed this. Is claws able to make much use of dillo2? > > > Jorge put in a special-case workaround for "dillo -l -f -x XID > > > URL" right before release, but I don't know whether anyone's > > > using it (or if any claws users even know it's there) > > > > > > Hmm...a moment of searching and the first hit I get is > > > http://www.nabble.com/Using-of-Dillo2-td20014194.html > > > which suggests that, no, they don't know. > > > > They know. Both users and development. I said about Dillo2 in #claws > > when it was release. I'm not sure when they are going to implement > > it as plugin nor if it already works. Some information can be > > located in two places: > > > > http://www.claws-mail.org/plugin.php?plugin=dillo > > http://www.claws-mail.org/plugins.php?branch=STD > > The problem is dillo-2.0 has a workaround only implementation > for the CLI switches claws needs. > > It'd be good to patch it fully, but before that we need to know > whether is possible to embed an FLTK2 window into an Xwindow. > > Once we know it's possible, the patch is in place and the release > made, I'd advice claws folks to use it. You should communicate directly with Claws-Mail's development team for sure. -- Henri Salo <fgeek at hack.fi> +358407705733 GPG ID: 2EA46E4F fp: 14D0 7803 BFF6 EFA0 9998 8C4B 5DFE A106 2EA4 6E4F

Oct. 23, 2008