March 2005 - Dillo-dev - lists.mailman3.com

Re: [Dillo-dev]XML browser

by Sebastian Geerken

Hi, first of all, some time ago I planned to extract Dw from dillo, making an own library of it. I've polished it a bit so far, it can be downloaded at <http://www.dillo.org/misc_files/dw-core-0.1.0.tar.gz>. It is nothing "official" yet, but you should be able to play around with it. Notice that this only contains the core of Dw, not the specific widgets. However, it should be possible to copy them, but they need some (trivial) changes, to remove some dependencies from the rest of dillo. Furthermore, I already wrote some widgets, which are neither part of dillo (some kind of tree, a simple text box, and a widget, which may be used to toggle the visibility of another widget), these may be a start if you need something similar. On Tue, Mar 08, dillo-dev(a)moshe.nl wrote: > For some time now i'm looking for an XML browser, witch is simply able to > show XML documents. XML capable browsers that exist today do not suit my > (and others who extencively use XML) needs. Their XML implementation is > based on top of their html implementation, witch makes it incapable of > many standard XML features and also makes them bloated. > During my search I began to cave into the dillo source, and found the > dillo widget system. Witch seems to be a good rendering system for digital > documents, not just html. > > XML parsers already exist (libxml for example), and parsing XML is a lot > easier than parsing html, because it has a much more strict syntax. An XML > browser, maybe more acuratly named an XML viewer, is just as abstract as > XML itself. It has no way to know how a partucular XML document has to be > show'ed. For this purpose XSLT exists, it is able to "translate" any XML > document into another. > Thus creating a XML viewer is limited to being able to render one > particular type of XML document, and having XSLT documents available to > translate the rest. > > Luckily something like glade exists. Glade is an GUI development kit, > using XML to describe the GUI's, and GTX+ to show them. Dillo widgets are > an extention to GTK+, meanig glade can show them. > > Leaving the "problem" to creating the XSLT stylesheets te translate > documents to glade-XML. I'm in no way familiar with glade-XML, but there is at least one problem with this approach: dillo widgets are *not* Gtk+ widgets, instead, from Gtk's point of view, there is only one large widget (GtkDwViewport), Gtk+ itself does not care about the complex dillo widget tree behind. OTOH, coding the rendering yourself should be pretty simple. > The dillo widget is currently inside the dillo source, and only linked > directly to dillo. how posible is it to seperate this, and have dillo > widget inside a .so for example? See above. > As such an XML browser is not really aimed at the same goals als the dillo > project (as far as i've read, correct me if i'm wrong), i'd apriciate the > dillo widget into a seperate library. this way dillo and this XML browser > both can use the same dillo widget system, without forcing me to include > dw vith the XML browser. (and sync them constantly) There are no plans to make dillo use a Dw library, since Dw is changing frequently, so it would be necessary to have a new version of Dw for each release of dillo. However, there is a script within the dw-core tarball, which makes syncing very simple, see README. > I'm still only planning, so i'd like any comments on this idea, as well as > tips and other ideas. maybe you also have comments on the level of > integration dillo and the XML browser can have. Perhaps there may be a (graphical) plugin, which reuses Dw for the rendering (so that your viewer may be ported). I wrote something about this some time ago (it is part of the documentation about the "rendering abstraction"). Anyway, graphical plugins are not to be expected in the near future, there are currently other priorities. Sebastian

March 12, 2005

[Dillo-dev]configure cache size

by G. Milde

Dear developers, thanks for dillo. As I sometimes use a more (or less) feature-rich webbrowser than dillo, I 'outsourced' the caching of web pages (to squid). In a previous Debian package of dillo, I could turn off the internal web cache with cache_size=00 in .dillo/dillorc. With version 0.8.3, I get the error dillorc:23: unexpected string constant "cache_size", expected symbol and every dillo process uses > 5 MiB of memory. What could I do to turn off (or limit) the internal cache? Was the cache_size option in the debian package an unofficial patch? I would really like to see this patch in the mainstream, as I am short on RAM here... PS: This is a re-post. I sent this mail once, before subscribing and it seems like it did not get through the moderation process. Sincerely Günter Milde -- G.Milde web.de

March 10, 2005

Re: [Dillo-dev]javascript ...

by Kelly Price

On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 20:30:22 +0100, Lars Segerlund <lars.segerlund(a)comsys.se> wrote: > I have a theoretical question, as follows. > > What would be needed for Dillo to support javascript ? Of course it would need a javascript interpreter, but there are also issues about variables and how to handle stuff like mouseover and such in the rest of the code. > E-Links allows the use of Mozilla's SpiderMonkey javascript interpiter in other code. It has enough to run JS code but not enough to muck around on pages -- you'll have to write code to make the DOM standard work. I doubt the dpi interface, as I read correctly, was built for dynamic web pages. -- Kelly "STrRedWolf" Price http://strredwolf.furrynet.com

March 9, 2005

[Dillo-dev]javascript ...

by Lars Segerlund

Hi, I have a theoretical question, as follows. What would be needed for Dillo to support javascript ? Of course it would need a javascript interpreter, but there are also issues about variables and how to handle stuff like mouseover and such in the rest of the code. Is there any possibility that the dpi interface would suffice for a task like this ? ( what I mean here is if there is a possibility to somhow use it for this functionality, perhaps 'filtering' the pages through it or something ? ). Basicly I'm curious, and I would like to have a look at if it's doable. / regards, Lars Segerlund.

March 9, 2005

Re: [Dillo-dev]Gmail

by Kelly Price

On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 16:56:45 -0500, Jonathan Gardner <bohemian72(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I hadn't actually tried using Gmail with Dillo before, but I just heard > that Gmail recently implemented a "plain html" version and would thus > work on any browser. That inspired me to try it with Dillo and sure > enough it works. Maybe it always did, but it certainly does now. :-) > I've had to switch on SSL/https just to get to the password prompt, and afterwards, I get stuck. Odd behavior. -- Kelly "STrRedWolf" Price http://strredwolf.furrynet.com

March 9, 2005

Re: [Dillo-dev]Dillo centering elements

by David McKee

Mr. Bucher, On Tue, 8 Mar 2005, Denis BUCHER wrote: > I don't know if I didn't find which HTML tags were supported by dillo, Dillo strives for compliance with documented HTML standards. See the web site for details (there are god links from the FAQ). > or if it is a dillo bug or limitation, but I am totally unable to make > dillo center something on the screen. You could have said (in detail) what you tried. [...some more complaints snipped...] Did you examine the bug metter output for the stuff you tried? WAs it enlightening? > Therefore my question is : How to achieve that (having dillo centering an > image). The short and snippy answer is: with standards compliant html. I have no trouble with:  <pre> <p align="center"> ... </p> </pre> and the like. A longer answer would depend on exactly what you are tring to achieve, but would still send you off to read the standards[1] or some instructions written by someone who had already done so. Then there is the lecture on the foollishness of trying too hard to control the exact appearance of your document. [Yes, CSS style sheets change the lecture to some extent, but they don't apply to dillo.] [1] Try at w3m for an online source. Good luck, -- -- David McKee -- dmckee(a)jlab.org -- (757) 269-7492 (Office)

March 9, 2005

[Dillo-dev]XML browser

by dillo-dev＠moshe.nl

Hello, For some time now i'm looking for an XML browser, witch is simply able to show XML documents. XML capable browsers that exist today do not suit my (and others who extencively use XML) needs. Their XML implementation is based on top of their html implementation, witch makes it incapable of many standard XML features and also makes them bloated. During my search I began to cave into the dillo source, and found the dillo widget system. Witch seems to be a good rendering system for digital documents, not just html. XML parsers already exist (libxml for example), and parsing XML is a lot easier than parsing html, because it has a much more strict syntax. An XML browser, maybe more acuratly named an XML viewer, is just as abstract as XML itself. It has no way to know how a partucular XML document has to be show'ed. For this purpose XSLT exists, it is able to "translate" any XML document into another. Thus creating a XML viewer is limited to being able to render one particular type of XML document, and having XSLT documents available to translate the rest. Luckily something like glade exists. Glade is an GUI development kit, using XML to describe the GUI's, and GTX+ to show them. Dillo widgets are an extention to GTK+, meanig glade can show them. Leaving the "problem" to creating the XSLT stylesheets te translate documents to glade-XML. The dillo widget is currently inside the dillo source, and only linked directly to dillo. how posible is it to seperate this, and have dillo widget inside a .so for example? As such an XML browser is not really aimed at the same goals als the dillo project (as far as i've read, correct me if i'm wrong), i'd apriciate the dillo widget into a seperate library. this way dillo and this XML browser both can use the same dillo widget system, without forcing me to include dw vith the XML browser. (and sync them constantly) I'm still only planning, so i'd like any comments on this idea, as well as tips and other ideas. maybe you also have comments on the level of integration dillo and the XML browser can have. Greetings, Môshe van der Sterre http://www.moshe.nl/ http://www.coecu.nl/ PS: Needless to say, i'm a little short on time, so my participation in any discussion might be low. PSS: I'll problably license the browser code itself GPL (just as dw), and the XSLT stylesheelts LGPL. As they might be usefull elsewhere. Mvg, Môshe van der Sterre http://www.moshe.nl/ http://www.coecu.nl/ Mvg, Môshe van der Sterre http://www.moshe.nl/ http://www.coecu.nl/

March 8, 2005

[Dillo-dev]dillo bug : not using the whole space

by Denis BUCHER

Hello ! I found another bug or problem in dillo : It doesn't use all the space provided ! For example, let's take a 320x240 screen/window (in full screen mode). If your content takes more than 305-310 pixels wide, the scrollbars are appearing, while they only should appear if your content is larger than "window size less borders", like 316... I hope my question is clear and thank anyone would could reply/help me :-) Denis -- Denis Bucher Horus Digital Solutions Each problem has a solution ______________________________________________________________________ Tél. +41-22-8000625 Fax: +41-22-8000622 www.horus.info

March 8, 2005

[Dillo-dev]Dillo centering elements

by Denis BUCHER

Hello ! I don't know if I didn't find which HTML tags were supported by dillo, or if it is a dillo bug or limitation, but I am totally unable to make dillo center something on the screen. I want to center an image, but centering the table containing the image or centering the contents in the table cell don't work. And I don't even speak about vertical centering. I even tryed with onepixel images, streched with <img width="20"> for example. Doesn't see to work either. Therefore my question is : How to achieve that (having dillo centering an image). Thanks a lot in advance ! Denis -- Denis Bucher Horus Digital Solutions Each problem has a solution ______________________________________________________________________ Tél. +41-22-8000625 Fax: +41-22-8000622 www.horus.info

March 8, 2005

Re: [Dillo-dev]Gmail

by Patrick Shanahan

* Nicolas Kaiser <nikai(a)nikai.net> [03-08-05 08:47]: ... > One thing that doesn't work for me: signing out gives me > > error: redirect loop for http://gmail.google.com/gmail Try copying the 'sign out' url onto the address line and <enter>. I have a similar problem with a heavy with extensions version of firefox. -- Patrick Shanahan Registered Linux User #207535 http://wahoo.no-ip.org @ http://counter.li.org HOG # US1244711 Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery

March 8, 2005