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RE: [Dillo-dev] Frames

by Kelson Vibber

At 11:30 AM 7/24/2003, Sean Kelly wrote: >I'm glad that frames are not ousted and may be able >to spend some time doing some development on that front myself. Check out Frank's tab-support patches - as he says, "The patch does not just give Dillo tab functionality, it also provides a framework for implementing frames (no pun intended) by separating 'document' from 'interface' code." Kelson Vibber www.hyperborea.org

July 24, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] [PATCH] version 6 of Dillo tab patch now available!

by Andreas Schweitzer

Hi, > I have released version 6 of my tabs patch for Dillo. Head for the patch > website (geocities... start your junkbusters and privoxies...) and grab > it while it is fresh. Or go to http://www.hs.uni-hamburg.de/~stcd102/dillo-20030724-tabs.patch.gz Yesterdays version is there, too. Cheers, Andreas -- **************************** NEW ADDRESS ****************************** Hamburger Sternwarte Universitaet Hamburg Gojenbergsweg 112 Tel. ++49 40 42891 4016 D-21029 Hamburg, Germany Fax. ++49 40 42891 4198

July 24, 2003

RE: [Dillo-dev] Frames

by Sean Kelly

Oops! I had made a mental note of lack of support for frames both in the project README and on the sourceforge.net project home and somehow cross-connected those notes with some other comment about some obscure tag being obsolete. I'm glad that frames are not ousted and may be able to spend some time doing some development on that front myself. Sorry for the confusion! - Sean -----Original Message----- From: dillo-dev-admin(a)auriga.wearlab.de [mailto:dillo-dev-admin@auriga.wearlab.de] On Behalf Of Livio Baldini Soares Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 7:38 PM To: Sean Kelly Cc: dillo-dev(a)auriga.wearlab.de Subject: Re: [Dillo-dev] Frames Sean Kelly writes: > I don't recall where I read it, but I did see somewhere in the project > documentation that there is no intention of supporting frames now or > ever (did I misread?) - I recall the text citing that frames are > deprecated and will not be implemented. [... snip ...] Err... Where again did you see this written? Please point _exact_ source before making blatant assumptions or accusations. I've been following Dillo's development for more than 2 years now, and have never seen comments from any of the developers stating anything to the effect the frames are "deprecated" or not desired. Please make efforts in verifying facts before spreading unfounded information around... ok? regards, -- Livio B. Soares _______________________________________________ Dillo-dev mailing list Dillo-dev(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev

July 24, 2003

[PATCH] version 6 of Dillo tab patch now available!

by Frank de Lange

Hej! I have released version 6 of my tabs patch for Dillo. Head for the patch website (geocities... start your junkbusters and privoxies...) and grab it while it is fresh. The patch was made against 20030723 CVS. Notable improvements include: - the mystery of the disappearing full_screen_off_button is solved, it now stays put. Turns out the dw_gtk_scrolled_window does not show (or raise?) the button when needed. (Sebastian, can you confirm this?). Solved it by hiding, then showing the button explicitly. - worked around (what I consider to be) a bug in dw_gtk_scrolled_window which caused a Gdk-CRITICAL warning about a non-existing window (the widget should check if the window exists/has been mapped before it tries to set a cursor for it. Or am I wrong?). The workaround consists of an explicit gtk_widget_map() call on the docwin in commands.c:480 - backspace now goes back ONE step in history, as it should... No known issues this time... Please... test this patch, and tell me what works/what does not/what you want to see changed... The patch does not just give Dillo tab functionality, it also provides a framework for implementing frames (no pun intended) by separating 'document' from 'interface' code. So, the sooner it is in CVS, the better... As always, you can disable the tab functionality with --disable-tabs. You'll still gain the focus improvements and the shift-click functionality, as well as the document/interface separation. Download the patch here: http://www.geocities.com/ikbenfrank/dillo-20030724-tabs.patch.gz size: 41688 bytes (gzipped, as downloaded) 170140 bytes (uncompressed) md5sum: 4bf94a322d2a406969819ebc56b3faf5 (gzipped, as downloaded) eee05fe3c95e86ed7fe6a01a25ade2f6 (uncompressed) As always, check the site for the most recent version: http://www.geocities.com/ikbenfrank Cheers//Frank -- WWWWW ________________________ ## o o\ / Frank de Lange \ }# \| / +46-734352015 \ \ `--| _/ <Hacker for Hire> \ `---' \ +31-640037120 / \ frank(a)unternet.org / `------------------------' [ "Omnis enim res, quae dando non deficit, dum habetur et non datur, nondum habetur, quomodo habenda est." ]

July 24, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] Frames

by Kelson Vibber

On Wednesday 23 July 2003 7:25 pm, Sean Kelly wrote: > I recall the text citing that frames are > deprecated and will not be implemented. I don't recall hearing this from any of the major Dillo developers. You may be thinking of the discussions on how to populate the Link Toolbar (or Site Navigation Bar, depending on what week it is) for Mozilla. One of the controversies was about how to handle the situation in which two pages in a frameset have conflicting <link> tags. Someone made a similar remark in that discussion. -- Kelson Vibber www.hyperborea.org

July 24, 2003

RE: [Dillo-dev] Frames

by Peter Milne

Sean Kelly said: > > I'm having a hard time understanding the reasoning behind a motion to > make frames a thing of the past so quickly, especially in the context of > a "lightweight" browser which has no animated graphics, Java applet or > JavaScript support, any one of which might be an adequate substitute for > the functionality which frames provides. It seems to me there are plenty > of applications for all of these features and that Dillo is mildly > handicapped to not support any of them. Actually, ummmm.....I really have no use for frames myself except for the fact Squirrelmail so happens to use them. I personally dont create frame sites nor can I remember the last time I saw one. Whether frames disappear from WC3's specs or not, I shall still sleep well. Thanks for pointing this out to me. -- ~~~Pete~~~ http://milneweb.com http://nomorevirus.com

July 24, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] Frames

by Livio Baldini Soares

Sean Kelly writes: > I don't recall where I read it, but I did see somewhere in the project > documentation that there is no intention of supporting frames now or > ever (did I misread?) - I recall the text citing that frames are > deprecated and will not be implemented. [... snip ...] Err... Where again did you see this written? Please point _exact_ source before making blatant assumptions or accusations. I've been following Dillo's development for more than 2 years now, and have never seen comments from any of the developers stating anything to the effect the frames are "deprecated" or not desired. Please make efforts in verifying facts before spreading unfounded information around... ok? regards, -- Livio B. Soares

July 24, 2003

RE: [Dillo-dev] Frames

by Sean Kelly

I don't recall where I read it, but I did see somewhere in the project documentation that there is no intention of supporting frames now or ever (did I misread?) - I recall the text citing that frames are deprecated and will not be implemented. What I'm interested to find out is who declared them deprecated? I just glanced at W3C's HTML 4.01 spec and it goes into full detail on frames implementation without mentioning the "D" word. I'm having a hard time understanding the reasoning behind a motion to make frames a thing of the past so quickly, especially in the context of a "lightweight" browser which has no animated graphics, Java applet or JavaScript support, any one of which might be an adequate substitute for the functionality which frames provides. It seems to me there are plenty of applications for all of these features and that Dillo is mildly handicapped to not support any of them. Complex undertakings though, I know - not complaining, just observing/conversating ;-) - Sean Kelly - skelly(a)argoentgroup.com -----Original Message----- From: dillo-dev-admin(a)auriga.wearlab.de [mailto:dillo-dev-admin@auriga.wearlab.de] On Behalf Of Peter Milne Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 6:16 PM To: dillo-dev(a)auriga.wearlab.de Subject: [Dillo-dev] Frames Hi All, Is there any speculation on when Dillo will be frame ready? I would love to use Dillo for Squirrelmail. Thanks, -- ~~~Pete~~~ http://milneweb.com http://nomorevirus.com _______________________________________________ Dillo-dev mailing list Dillo-dev(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev

July 24, 2003

RE: [Dillo-dev] Directions for building on Cygwin (draft)

by Eric GAUDET

Thanks! I tried it in my office where I have cygwin+xfree already installed, and it was really easy. I did not have the problem with /usr/local/... for gtk. How difficult would it be to use dynamic libraries? If you give me a few hints, I'm willing to experiment in that direction. Best, EG -- En reponse de "[Dillo-dev] Directions for building on Cygwin (draft)" de Kelson Vibber, le 23-Jul-2003 : > Hello! I have a draft of directions for building Dillo on Cygwin: > > http://www.hyperborea.org/software/dillo/cygwin.html > > Please let me know if anything is missing, wrong, or unclear. > > Thanks! > > > Kelson Vibber > www.hyperborea.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Dillo-dev mailing list > Dillo-dev(a)lists.auriga.wearlab.de > http://lists.auriga.wearlab.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dillo-dev ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eric GAUDET <eric(a)rti-zone.org> Le 23-Jul-2003 a 18:55:27 "Parler pour ne rien dire et ne rien dire pour parler sont les deux principes majeurs et rigoureux de tous ceux qui feraient mieux de la fermer avant de l'ouvrir." ------------------------------------------------------------------------

July 24, 2003

Excellent work... (fwd)

by Jorge Arellano Cid

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2003 18:12:36 +0000 From: d4RK <darkiron(a)tiscali.fr> To: Jorge <jcid(a)softhome.net> Subject: Excellent work... Dillo: the ***fast*** browser I was awaiting for ... No boring stuff like other browsers, all is so simple and easy-to-use! I just come to compile the last version (0.7.2) with a customized toolbar (pixmaps.jg.h), this is now PERFECT :) I don't find u really have to add something (even if I need Javascript for online shopping sometimes, & I've to launch another browser ;) POST-IT: just a remark about the PNG support, and the alpha channel: once the browser has loaded the picture, if it's used again -on a different zone- the background (which should be 'transparent') remains with the first background color...a cache pb? LAST WORD: Thank u !!!!

July 24, 2003