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Re: [Dillo-dev] Icons poll

by Andreas Schweitzer

Hi, On Fri, May 30, 2003 at 05:24:58PM +0000, Phil Pennock wrote: > On 2003-05-30 at 12:57 -0400, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote: > > I've been using John Grantham's icons for a while, and wonder > > whether to make them the default. Honestly, I don't care much about the icons. I like(d) the current ones since they look different from all the other browsers. John Grantham's OTOH do look good, indeed. Actually, I tend do reverse the colors of the current default "Stop" Icon. It makes it more obvious weather a page is still loading or not. Which is then similar to John's "Stop" icon. And here is another totally new idea : what about a theme to match sylpheed-claws ? Or one of sylhpeed's themes ? Or make a theme for sylpheed to match dillo ... :-) ... if only I had some talent and patience for that. > If you don't make them the default, then could someone who speaks > autoconf please consider adding an option > --with-pixmaps=/path/to/headerfile.h ? Purely so that I can be lazy > when I put these icons in my compiles? :^) Actually, I think it was even sylpheed, where I checked how they do run-time theming : it does not seem to be a whole lot of code to do run-time theming. Just an idea. For this I would even volunteer to code it, if it is not considered bloat. Cheers, Andreas -- **************************** NEW ADDRESS ****************************** Hamburger Sternwarte Universitaet Hamburg Gojenbergsweg 112 Tel. ++49 40 42891 4016 D-21029 Hamburg, Germany Fax. ++49 40 42891 4198

May 31, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] Icons poll

by Chris Palmer

Phil Pennock writes: > True. I was being flippant. Without giving suitable indication of > this. In public email. I'm a doofus -- sorry. No need to apoligize. My terse language may have come across as stiff-necked, which I didn't intend -- I just wanted to express a holistic philosophy of end-user application development.

May 31, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] Icons poll

by higuita

On Fri, 30 May 2003 12:57:23 -0400 (CLT), Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)softhome.net> wrote: > I've been using John Grantham's icons for a while, and wonder > whether to make them the default. i didnt knew this one, i use netscape one... but this one looks good i only have 2 complains about it: -the reload should be more like the others, ie: bigger arrows... maybe remote the page behind the reload symbol and increase the arrow... dawn, use the ximiam or konqueror symbol 8) -the colors are too strong (ou maybe too much colors) the bar should be discrete, should catch the attention of the user when reading some web page i think its the red and orange fault... all other icons have smoother, more low profile, colors monday i will try to ask to a graphic/artist friend 8) higuita -- Naturally the common people don't want war... but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country. -- Hermann Goering, Nazi and war criminal, 1883-1946

May 31, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] Icons poll

by Phil Pennock

On 2003-05-30 at 12:25 -0700, Chris Palmer wrote: > Phil Pennock writes: > > What do you call fluff which actually achieves something useful and is > > unexpectedly good? > > Icons (and graphic design, and anything related to the user experience) > do not constitute fluff. They are critically important functional > components of any system that is composed from both human and software > elements. True. I was being flippant. Without giving suitable indication of this. In public email. I'm a doofus -- sorry. -- 2001: Blogging invented. Promises to change the way people bore strangers with banal anecdotes about their pets. <http://www.thelemon.net/issues/timeline.php>

May 30, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] Icons poll

by Chris Palmer

Phil Pennock writes: > What do you call fluff which actually achieves something useful and is > unexpectedly good? Icons (and graphic design, and anything related to the user experience) do not constitute fluff. They are critically important functional components of any system that is composed from both human and software elements. Make the excellent Grantham icons the default.

May 30, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] Icons poll

by Nicola Girardi

> I've been using John Grantham's icons for a while, and wonder > whether to make them the default. Definitely. :-)

May 30, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] Icons poll

by Phil Pennock

On 2003-05-30 at 12:57 -0400, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote: > I've been using John Grantham's icons for a while, and wonder > whether to make them the default. I personally find his icons to be much more intuitive; I'm not stuck blinking at the top of the browser window trying to remember which icon is which. What do you call fluff which actually achieves something useful and is unexpectedly good? Whatever the word is, if it's polite then it's probably a good word for the pixmaps.jg.h replacements. If you don't make them the default, then could someone who speaks autoconf please consider adding an option --with-pixmaps=/path/to/headerfile.h ? Purely so that I can be lazy when I put these icons in my compiles? :^) -- 2001: Blogging invented. Promises to change the way people bore strangers with banal anecdotes about their pets. <http://www.thelemon.net/issues/timeline.php>

May 30, 2003

Icons poll

by Jorge Arellano Cid

Hi there, I've been using John Grantham's icons for a while, and wonder whether to make them the default. So this poll is open! (but closed to dillo-dev) Cheers Jorge.-

May 30, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] entities display

by Jorge Arellano Cid

Nikita, > On Tue, 20 May 2003 13:39:23 -0400 (CLT) > Jorge Arellano Cid <jcid(a)softhome.net> wrote: > > > Hi Nikita, > > Hello, Jorge ! > > > Now, considering the current development plan, it'd be good to > > have an interim workaround. > > > > After reviewing the implementation in the patch, I'd prefer not > > to intermix it with the current (correct but incomplete) way of > > handling entities. > > > > For instance, defining another entities table that's to be used > > when the entity is not found in the current one is a good way to > > separate the workaround code! > > > > I'd like to add to this new table some important numeric > > character references (UTF-8) that are usually found in web pages > > these days. Things like: > > > > "—" > > "’" > > "“" > > "”" > > > > This could help our rendering while we get to GTK+2. > > Please let me know if you want to improve it this way! > > > > Cheers > > Jorge.- > > Jorge, the current way to display entities do not satisfy me because > it throws away any entity which code is more than 255. Well, that is for Latin1. > Is there any > reason to leave table without representations in place and add > a new one _with_ them which differs only in representations field and > (possible) bigger number of entities ? Maybe not, but I didn't suggest _that_ table. I thought that although implicit it was clear, but it seems that character handling code is always harder than it seems! The main reason for separating the tables was to make clear what was the workaround and what the code to be used with UCS in the future. The other is that the second table can be ordered by isocode and thus allow for a bin search instead of the slow linear search the patch uses. While reviewing it in more depth, I found a bug in dillo's code (fixed in CVS), and made a small UCS to latin converter that help in very weird pages like: http://www.michigan.gov/minewswire/ 0,1607,7-136-3452_3518-51568--M_2002_9,00.html (all in one line) Finally, I can't see (yet) how having this entitites character representation helps when using another character set (as with the russian encoding workaround), unless you first convert the regular HTML character encoding into the current locale! Certainly a hairy problem, and one of the main reasons for GTK+2 design decision of using UCS instead of the current locale as its internal representation. > In future (GTK2 internals) all representations definition and use could > be cut from source code and I don't see any problem or pain with it, > corresponding changes will be not so big. > > IMHO all progress we can do now is entering more entities in table. > > In any case I interested in further progress in this way. > > P.S. Entities you mention cannot be translated from UCS2 (encoding used > in HTML numeric entities) to UTF-8. Lynx/links do not show that also. I meant UCS to Latin1 (see the patch in CVS). Cheers Jorge.-

May 30, 2003

Re: [Dillo-dev] Dillo and Zaurus

by dontodd＠columbus.rr.com

On Fri, May 30, 2003 at 11:20:17AM -0400, Jorge Arellano Cid wrote: > > > On Fri, 23 May 2003 dontodd(a)columbus.rr.com wrote: > > > I just got a Zaurus SL-5500 and was wondering if anyone has built Dillo > > for that. I'm running Open Zaurus 3.2. > > I haven't received any email indicating that it works on the > Zaurus. :( > > > > Where would I begin? > > I don't know. Maybe start looking what other handhelds (where > Dillo runs) have in common with the Zaurus, and what not. Hi Jorge, I poked around usenet and was told that I'd have to get X running on the Zaurus, and then GTK, and that it is difficult to get GTK on the Z, and that it would be better to move Dillo to use Qtopia. All of which is beyond my current capability! Thanks, Todd

May 30, 2003